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1/23/2016 4:14:35 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
So browsing through the articles throughout the internet published today, I saw reflections on the campaigns of Governor O'Malley of Maryland and Secretary Clinton.

I'll start with the good one first.

Martin O'Malley was speaking to an interviewer from TIME on how Senator Sanders did better at getting his campaign off the ground. He said that Bernie's brand of socialism helped him get off the ground as the anti-establishment candidate by rounding up populist anger - something he failed to do.

And now, his view on Sanders' ideology:

"I don"t take anything away from him by being the socialist challenger to the Democratic Party."

That, given what these times are for, was pretty flattering. As someone who is not as left as Sanders, O'Malley didn't hold Sanders out as some unrealistic ideologue while saying he was some pragmatic voice of reason immune to Republican hatred.

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So now onto the Clinton staff.

David Brock, who we know as the right-winger-turned-Clinton-fanatic who heads multiple Super-PACs for Hillary, said this about Bernie Sanders.

"Black lives don't matter to Bernie Sanders."

I don't even feel like anything else needs to be said, but I'll say some things.

I don't understand how people can support slimy candidates like Clinton or Ted Cruz. The opportunistic cunts, who are visibly elitist that only pretend to care for certain groups so they have the benefit of their vote. I'm not saying that Sanders isn't a politician - he is. But the smearing, and the insane disingenuinity of those who support Clinton, Clinton's staff, and Hillary herself turns me off from the idea of her as the President of the United States for eight years.

But, I will save my full views on why I support Sanders over Clinton for another thread.
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1/23/2016 4:50:09 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Picking one supporter from each side who might not necessarily represent the entire sentiment of that side isnt exactly an accurate means to base the conclusion you made off of it
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1/23/2016 6:15:57 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 4:50:09 PM, imabench wrote:
Picking one supporter from each side who might not necessarily represent the entire sentiment of that side isnt exactly an accurate means to base the conclusion you made off of it

I know (think) you are old enough for the 2008 Clinton campaign. Nothing is ever "total", but towards the end, Clinton supporters were just about the nastiest bunch ever.
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1/23/2016 6:29:56 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 4:50:09 PM, imabench wrote:
Picking one supporter from each side who might not necessarily represent the entire sentiment of that side isnt exactly an accurate means to base the conclusion you made off of it

I'm not saying it's like that now, just remembering the nastiness pisses me off.

The kicker to me is, she is running the same plan. She is locking-up super delegates, and minimizing exposure. If she would just come out and talk more, so many people who are willing to fill in all the blanks with what they THINK she is about would be shut-up. She was great in the debates so far, and they have done what they could to minimize exposure. Why?
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1/23/2016 7:31:14 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 4:50:09 PM, imabench wrote:
Picking one supporter from each side who might not necessarily represent the entire sentiment of that side isnt exactly an accurate means to base the conclusion you made off of it

This is one of Clinton's more important supporters.

I also don't know if you've been seeing any of the ads run against Bernie recently, or all of the mainstream media playing the same tune against him every day.
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1/23/2016 7:43:08 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 4:50:09 PM, imabench wrote:
Picking one supporter from each side who might not necessarily represent the entire sentiment of that side isnt exactly an accurate means to base the conclusion you made off of it

http://www.theguardian.com...
http://www.cnn.com...
http://m.huffpost.com...
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1/23/2016 7:52:46 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 7:43:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/23/2016 4:50:09 PM, imabench wrote:
Picking one supporter from each side who might not necessarily represent the entire sentiment of that side isnt exactly an accurate means to base the conclusion you made off of it

http://www.theguardian.com...

"This follows a week of steadily mounting criticism from other campaign surrogates such as Chelsea Clinton, who accused the senator of wanting to "dismantle Obamacare", and foreign policy adviser Jake Sullivan who warned that Sanders"s proposals for tackling Isis would put Israel at risk."

Sounds like fair game to me

http://www.cnn.com...

"reached a pinnacle on Thursday when Sanders told The New York Times that he never called for Iranian troops on the ground in the war-torn country.

But at November's Democratic debate, Sanders said that Muslim nations around Syria, namely "Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Jordan" had to step up and "get their hands dirty, their boots on the ground" in order to "take on ISIS."

Again, sounds like fair game to me

http://m.huffpost.com...

"I have the greatest respect for Sen. Sanders," Sullivan says. But adds that Sanders' ideas on national security issues "just don't make sense.""

Sounds a lot better than what you try to paint all Clinton supporters as with your ONE quote you tried to use before
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

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1/23/2016 8:10:45 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 7:52:46 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 7:43:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/23/2016 4:50:09 PM, imabench wrote:
Picking one supporter from each side who might not necessarily represent the entire sentiment of that side isnt exactly an accurate means to base the conclusion you made off of it

http://www.theguardian.com...

"This follows a week of steadily mounting criticism from other campaign surrogates such as Chelsea Clinton, who accused the senator of wanting to "dismantle Obamacare", and foreign policy adviser Jake Sullivan who warned that Sanders"s proposals for tackling Isis would put Israel at risk."

Sounds like fair game to me

http://www.cnn.com...

"reached a pinnacle on Thursday when Sanders told The New York Times that he never called for Iranian troops on the ground in the war-torn country.

But at November's Democratic debate, Sanders said that Muslim nations around Syria, namely "Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Jordan" had to step up and "get their hands dirty, their boots on the ground" in order to "take on ISIS."

Again, sounds like fair game to me

http://m.huffpost.com...

"I have the greatest respect for Sen. Sanders," Sullivan says. But adds that Sanders' ideas on national security issues "just don't make sense.""

Sounds a lot better than what you try to paint all Clinton supporters as with your ONE quote you tried to use before

I agree with one, and not the other. Talking about real or perceived flaws in foreign policy, or where the other guy said something stupid is fair game. Purposely mischaracterizing or distorting is best left for the guys on the other side. Let them beat themself bloody, not our own people.
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1/23/2016 8:16:29 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 8:10:45 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/23/2016 7:52:46 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 7:43:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/23/2016 4:50:09 PM, imabench wrote:
Picking one supporter from each side who might not necessarily represent the entire sentiment of that side isnt exactly an accurate means to base the conclusion you made off of it

http://www.theguardian.com...

"This follows a week of steadily mounting criticism from other campaign surrogates such as Chelsea Clinton, who accused the senator of wanting to "dismantle Obamacare", and foreign policy adviser Jake Sullivan who warned that Sanders"s proposals for tackling Isis would put Israel at risk."

Sounds like fair game to me

http://www.cnn.com...

"reached a pinnacle on Thursday when Sanders told The New York Times that he never called for Iranian troops on the ground in the war-torn country.

But at November's Democratic debate, Sanders said that Muslim nations around Syria, namely "Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Jordan" had to step up and "get their hands dirty, their boots on the ground" in order to "take on ISIS."

Again, sounds like fair game to me

http://m.huffpost.com...

"I have the greatest respect for Sen. Sanders," Sullivan says. But adds that Sanders' ideas on national security issues "just don't make sense.""

Sounds a lot better than what you try to paint all Clinton supporters as with your ONE quote you tried to use before

I agree with one, and not the other. Talking about real or perceived flaws in foreign policy, or where the other guy said something stupid is fair game. Purposely mischaracterizing or distorting is best left for the guys on the other side. Let them beat themself bloody, not our own people.

Yeah I agree it should overall be kept civil, im only objecting to the idea that all Clinton supporters are like the ONE guy that 1harder is trying to misportray them as
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

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1/23/2016 8:18:58 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 8:16:29 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 8:10:45 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/23/2016 7:52:46 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 7:43:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/23/2016 4:50:09 PM, imabench wrote:
Picking one supporter from each side who might not necessarily represent the entire sentiment of that side isnt exactly an accurate means to base the conclusion you made off of it

http://www.theguardian.com...

"This follows a week of steadily mounting criticism from other campaign surrogates such as Chelsea Clinton, who accused the senator of wanting to "dismantle Obamacare", and foreign policy adviser Jake Sullivan who warned that Sanders"s proposals for tackling Isis would put Israel at risk."

Sounds like fair game to me

http://www.cnn.com...

"reached a pinnacle on Thursday when Sanders told The New York Times that he never called for Iranian troops on the ground in the war-torn country.

But at November's Democratic debate, Sanders said that Muslim nations around Syria, namely "Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Jordan" had to step up and "get their hands dirty, their boots on the ground" in order to "take on ISIS."

Again, sounds like fair game to me

http://m.huffpost.com...

"I have the greatest respect for Sen. Sanders," Sullivan says. But adds that Sanders' ideas on national security issues "just don't make sense.""

Sounds a lot better than what you try to paint all Clinton supporters as with your ONE quote you tried to use before

I agree with one, and not the other. Talking about real or perceived flaws in foreign policy, or where the other guy said something stupid is fair game. Purposely mischaracterizing or distorting is best left for the guys on the other side. Let them beat themself bloody, not our own people.

Yeah I agree it should overall be kept civil, im only objecting to the idea that all Clinton supporters are like the ONE guy that 1harder is trying to misportray them as

I agree.

As I said, I have a terrible taste left in my mouth from 2008, and just am hoping like he11 I don't get to that point again. Still nothing like the clown show cross the street, and lets keep it that way.
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1/23/2016 8:24:31 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 8:16:29 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 8:10:45 PM, TBR wrote:
At 1/23/2016 7:52:46 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 7:43:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/23/2016 4:50:09 PM, imabench wrote:
Picking one supporter from each side who might not necessarily represent the entire sentiment of that side isnt exactly an accurate means to base the conclusion you made off of it

http://www.theguardian.com...

"This follows a week of steadily mounting criticism from other campaign surrogates such as Chelsea Clinton, who accused the senator of wanting to "dismantle Obamacare", and foreign policy adviser Jake Sullivan who warned that Sanders"s proposals for tackling Isis would put Israel at risk."

Sounds like fair game to me

http://www.cnn.com...

"reached a pinnacle on Thursday when Sanders told The New York Times that he never called for Iranian troops on the ground in the war-torn country.

But at November's Democratic debate, Sanders said that Muslim nations around Syria, namely "Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Jordan" had to step up and "get their hands dirty, their boots on the ground" in order to "take on ISIS."

Again, sounds like fair game to me

http://m.huffpost.com...

"I have the greatest respect for Sen. Sanders," Sullivan says. But adds that Sanders' ideas on national security issues "just don't make sense.""

Sounds a lot better than what you try to paint all Clinton supporters as with your ONE quote you tried to use before

I agree with one, and not the other. Talking about real or perceived flaws in foreign policy, or where the other guy said something stupid is fair game. Purposely mischaracterizing or distorting is best left for the guys on the other side. Let them beat themself bloody, not our own people.

Yeah I agree it should overall be kept civil, im only objecting to the idea that all Clinton supporters are like the ONE guy that 1harder is trying to misportray them as

2008, supporters on another site we both know of kept subtracting caucus states from totals, and counting all uncommitted superdelegates to Clinton to insist that she could still "mathematically" win. It was incredibly frustrating and insulting.

By the way. Don't know if you noticed, but Clinton has a HIGHER percentage of the supers locked this time around than last!
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1/23/2016 8:51:35 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 7:52:46 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 7:43:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/23/2016 4:50:09 PM, imabench wrote:
Picking one supporter from each side who might not necessarily represent the entire sentiment of that side isnt exactly an accurate means to base the conclusion you made off of it

http://www.theguardian.com...

"This follows a week of steadily mounting criticism from other campaign surrogates such as Chelsea Clinton, who accused the senator of wanting to "dismantle Obamacare", and foreign policy adviser Jake Sullivan who warned that Sanders"s proposals for tackling Isis would put Israel at risk."

Sounds like fair game to me

http://www.cnn.com...

"reached a pinnacle on Thursday when Sanders told The New York Times that he never called for Iranian troops on the ground in the war-torn country.

But at November's Democratic debate, Sanders said that Muslim nations around Syria, namely "Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Jordan" had to step up and "get their hands dirty, their boots on the ground" in order to "take on ISIS."

Again, sounds like fair game to me

http://m.huffpost.com...

"I have the greatest respect for Sen. Sanders," Sullivan says. But adds that Sanders' ideas on national security issues "just don't make sense.""

Sounds a lot better than what you try to paint all Clinton supporters as with your ONE quote you tried to use before

I just used the first three articles I found, and I found each of them to have something in them that I could object to.

I mean, dismantle Obamacare? You don't find that disingenuous?
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1/23/2016 10:58:23 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 8:51:35 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/23/2016 7:52:46 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 7:43:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:

I just used the first three articles I found, and I found each of them to have something in them that I could object to.

I mean, dismantle Obamacare? You don't find that disingenuous?

Take a look at what punches are being thrown by the other political party, it makes Chelsea's comment more than acceptable in my book since the topic is at least about policy
Kevin24018 : "He's just so mean it makes me want to ball up my fists and stamp on the ground"
Geogeer: "Nobody is dumb enough to become my protege."

7/14/16 = The Presidency Dies

DDO: THE MOVIE = http://www.debate.org...
http://www.debate.org...

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1/23/2016 11:00:19 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 10:58:23 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 8:51:35 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/23/2016 7:52:46 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 7:43:08 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:

I just used the first three articles I found, and I found each of them to have something in them that I could object to.

I mean, dismantle Obamacare? You don't find that disingenuous?

Take a look at what punches are being thrown by the other political party, it makes Chelsea's comment more than acceptable in my book since the topic is at least about policy

Lol
"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here,
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

-Syd Barrett

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