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If Bernie vs Trump or Cruz, then Bloomberg?

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1/23/2016 11:29:58 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
So apparently New York hobbit Michael Bloomberg has been exploring an independent presidential bid in 2016. More surprising though is that a source close to Bloomberg claims

"that Bloomberg would seriously enter the race if it appeared Donald Trump or Texas Sen. Ted Cruz would face Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in the general election"

If it did come down to Bernie vs Cruz or Trump, then Bloomberg figures that a lot of more moderate-leaning Republicans and Democrats alike would not be willing to support the candidate that their party decided to elect, and you can make a reasonable case that that is true..... Could he actually win support from moderate leaning Dems and Reps? Are there even enough of them left to consolidate into a voter base? Could this lead to the creation of a third political party of centrists as the GOP goes hard right while DEM goes hard left?

This whole prospect tickles my interest i must admit.
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1/23/2016 11:30:19 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
crap forgot the link: http://secondnexus.com...
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1/23/2016 11:32:45 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
I think that'd probably work in the Dem's favor, ultimately.

Even among moderate Dems, Bernie is far more liked in that group than Trump among moderate GOP voters.
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1/23/2016 11:34:46 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
And our political system is not fit for a three party system, unless we shifted to British-style parliament.

That's about as likely as Lincoln Chafee being President.
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1/23/2016 11:45:51 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 11:32:45 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I think that'd probably work in the Dem's favor, ultimately.

Even among moderate Dems, Bernie is far more liked in that group than Trump among moderate GOP voters.

Thats setting the bar pretty low though

http://www.alternet.org...
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1/23/2016 11:49:01 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 11:34:46 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
And our political system is not fit for a three party system, unless we shifted to British-style parliament.

That's about as likely as Lincoln Chafee being President.

I miss Lincoln Chafee's antics :'(
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1/23/2016 11:54:03 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 11:45:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:32:45 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I think that'd probably work in the Dem's favor, ultimately.

Even among moderate Dems, Bernie is far more liked in that group than Trump among moderate GOP voters.

Thats setting the bar pretty low though

http://www.alternet.org...

It is enough.

Bloomberg's Wall Street standing will drive away a good number of centrist Democrats.
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1/24/2016 12:05:24 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 11:54:03 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:45:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:32:45 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I think that'd probably work in the Dem's favor, ultimately.

Even among moderate Dems, Bernie is far more liked in that group than Trump among moderate GOP voters.

Thats setting the bar pretty low though

http://www.alternet.org...

It is enough.

Bloomberg's Wall Street standing will drive away a good number of centrist Democrats.

You think Democrats are way more leftist than they actually are
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1/24/2016 12:05:56 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/23/2016 11:29:58 PM, imabench wrote:
So apparently New York hobbit Michael Bloomberg has been exploring an independent presidential bid in 2016. More surprising though is that a source close to Bloomberg claims

"that Bloomberg would seriously enter the race if it appeared Donald Trump or Texas Sen. Ted Cruz would face Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in the general election"

If it did come down to Bernie vs Cruz or Trump, then Bloomberg figures that a lot of more moderate-leaning Republicans and Democrats alike would not be willing to support the candidate that their party decided to elect, and you can make a reasonable case that that is true..... Could he actually win support from moderate leaning Dems and Reps? Are there even enough of them left to consolidate into a voter base? Could this lead to the creation of a third political party of centrists as the GOP goes hard right while DEM goes hard left?

This whole prospect tickles my interest i must admit.

Its interesting... I think its a bit of a scare tactic, but interesting regardless.
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1/24/2016 12:10:26 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/24/2016 12:05:56 AM, TBR wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:29:58 PM, imabench wrote:
So apparently New York hobbit Michael Bloomberg has been exploring an independent presidential bid in 2016. More surprising though is that a source close to Bloomberg claims

"that Bloomberg would seriously enter the race if it appeared Donald Trump or Texas Sen. Ted Cruz would face Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in the general election"

If it did come down to Bernie vs Cruz or Trump, then Bloomberg figures that a lot of more moderate-leaning Republicans and Democrats alike would not be willing to support the candidate that their party decided to elect, and you can make a reasonable case that that is true..... Could he actually win support from moderate leaning Dems and Reps? Are there even enough of them left to consolidate into a voter base? Could this lead to the creation of a third political party of centrists as the GOP goes hard right while DEM goes hard left?

This whole prospect tickles my interest i must admit.

Its interesting... I think its a bit of a scare tactic, but interesting regardless.

He's been wanting to run for a while now though, hasnt he?
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1/24/2016 12:14:15 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/24/2016 12:05:24 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:54:03 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:45:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:32:45 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I think that'd probably work in the Dem's favor, ultimately.

Even among moderate Dems, Bernie is far more liked in that group than Trump among moderate GOP voters.

Thats setting the bar pretty low though

http://www.alternet.org...

It is enough.

Bloomberg's Wall Street standing will drive away a good number of centrist Democrats.

You think Democrats are way more leftist than they actually are

I think your view of the Democrats is that of the Party of the early '90s.
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1/24/2016 12:15:08 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/24/2016 12:10:26 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:05:56 AM, TBR wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:29:58 PM, imabench wrote:
So apparently New York hobbit Michael Bloomberg has been exploring an independent presidential bid in 2016. More surprising though is that a source close to Bloomberg claims

"that Bloomberg would seriously enter the race if it appeared Donald Trump or Texas Sen. Ted Cruz would face Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders in the general election"

If it did come down to Bernie vs Cruz or Trump, then Bloomberg figures that a lot of more moderate-leaning Republicans and Democrats alike would not be willing to support the candidate that their party decided to elect, and you can make a reasonable case that that is true..... Could he actually win support from moderate leaning Dems and Reps? Are there even enough of them left to consolidate into a voter base? Could this lead to the creation of a third political party of centrists as the GOP goes hard right while DEM goes hard left?

This whole prospect tickles my interest i must admit.

Its interesting... I think its a bit of a scare tactic, but interesting regardless.

He's been wanting to run for a while now though, hasnt he?

Turning the POTUS into a race for the billionaire class is not going to go over well forever. He has an expiration date for that oligarchy run.
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1/24/2016 12:38:32 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/24/2016 12:14:15 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:05:24 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:54:03 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:45:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:32:45 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I think that'd probably work in the Dem's favor, ultimately.

Even among moderate Dems, Bernie is far more liked in that group than Trump among moderate GOP voters.

Thats setting the bar pretty low though

http://www.alternet.org...

It is enough.

Bloomberg's Wall Street standing will drive away a good number of centrist Democrats.

You think Democrats are way more leftist than they actually are

I think your view of the Democrats is that of the Party of the early '90s.

I actually voted in 2012 I think I have a good idea of how Democrats are
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1/24/2016 12:40:36 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
Bloomberg could do a campaign in which he talks about the issues democrats are interested in, and how he agrees with them. This will get many of the democrats to vote for him instead of the socialist or the Grandmother they dislike.
Ralph Nader did something like this in the 2000 election . In Florida Nader took enough votes away from Al Gore, That George W got Florida and all it's electoral votes.
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1/24/2016 12:45:45 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/24/2016 12:38:32 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:14:15 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:05:24 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:54:03 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:45:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:32:45 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I think that'd probably work in the Dem's favor, ultimately.

Even among moderate Dems, Bernie is far more liked in that group than Trump among moderate GOP voters.

Thats setting the bar pretty low though

http://www.alternet.org...

It is enough.

Bloomberg's Wall Street standing will drive away a good number of centrist Democrats.

You think Democrats are way more leftist than they actually are

I think your view of the Democrats is that of the Party of the early '90s.

I actually voted in 2012 I think I have a good idea of how Democrats are

Lol that doesn't make you knowledgeable.
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1/24/2016 1:57:53 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/24/2016 12:45:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:38:32 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:14:15 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:05:24 AM, imabench wrote:

You think Democrats are way more leftist than they actually are

I think your view of the Democrats is that of the Party of the early '90s.

I actually voted in 2012 I think I have a good idea of how Democrats are

Lol that doesn't make you knowledgeable.

Attending Obama speeches, A Clinton speech, A Sonya Sotomayor speech, A Rachel Maddow speech, and a Condoleeza Rice speech just for the hell of it, all around 2012 does.

Do tell how you think you have a better idea though.
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1/24/2016 2:15:37 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/24/2016 1:57:53 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:45:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:38:32 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:14:15 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:05:24 AM, imabench wrote:

You think Democrats are way more leftist than they actually are

I think your view of the Democrats is that of the Party of the early '90s.

I actually voted in 2012 I think I have a good idea of how Democrats are

Lol that doesn't make you knowledgeable.

Attending Obama speeches, A Clinton speech, A Sonya Sotomayor speech, A Rachel Maddow speech, and a Condoleeza Rice speech just for the hell of it, all around 2012 does.

Do tell how you think you have a better idea though.

Voting in an election doesn't make you knowledgeable, just see polls from 2013-14 that showed only about 40% of Americans knew the Republicans controlled the House and Democrats the Senate at the time.

But why Condoleezza Rice?
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1/24/2016 2:20:56 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/24/2016 2:15:37 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/24/2016 1:57:53 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:45:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:38:32 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:14:15 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:05:24 AM, imabench wrote:

You think Democrats are way more leftist than they actually are

I think your view of the Democrats is that of the Party of the early '90s.

I actually voted in 2012 I think I have a good idea of how Democrats are

Lol that doesn't make you knowledgeable.

Attending Obama speeches, A Clinton speech, A Sonya Sotomayor speech, A Rachel Maddow speech, and a Condoleeza Rice speech just for the hell of it, all around 2012 does.

Do tell how you think you have a better idea though.

Voting in an election doesn't make you knowledgeable

Hence why I just named the people whose speeches I viewed as additional evidence that you completely ignored

But why Condoleezza Rice?

It was on campus, it was free, and I needed a good reason to skip chemistry class that day
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1/24/2016 2:24:59 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/24/2016 2:20:56 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/24/2016 2:15:37 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/24/2016 1:57:53 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:45:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:38:32 AM, imabench wrote:
I actually voted in 2012 I think I have a good idea of how Democrats are

Lol that doesn't make you knowledgeable.

Attending Obama speeches, A Clinton speech, A Sonya Sotomayor speech, A Rachel Maddow speech, and a Condoleeza Rice speech just for the hell of it, all around 2012 does.

Do tell how you think you have a better idea though.

Voting in an election doesn't make you knowledgeable

Hence why I just named the people whose speeches I viewed as additional evidence that you completely ignored

Well I obviously didn't ignore it.

But why Condoleezza Rice?

It was on campus, it was free, and I needed a good reason to skip chemistry class that day

That's always a reason.
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1/24/2016 2:43:01 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/24/2016 2:24:59 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/24/2016 2:20:56 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/24/2016 2:15:37 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/24/2016 1:57:53 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:45:45 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:38:32 AM, imabench wrote:
I actually voted in 2012 I think I have a good idea of how Democrats are

Lol that doesn't make you knowledgeable.

Attending Obama speeches, A Clinton speech, A Sonya Sotomayor speech, A Rachel Maddow speech, and a Condoleeza Rice speech just for the hell of it, all around 2012 does.

Do tell how you think you have a better idea though.

Voting in an election doesn't make you knowledgeable

Hence why I just named the people whose speeches I viewed as additional evidence that you completely ignored

Well I obviously didn't ignore it.

But why Condoleezza Rice?

It was on campus, it was free, and I needed a good reason to skip chemistry class that day

That's always a reason.

I probably shouldnt have done that though because I ended up failing Chemistry that semester....

And getting a D in it next semester.....
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1/24/2016 3:58:14 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/24/2016 12:38:32 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:14:15 AM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/24/2016 12:05:24 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:54:03 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:45:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/23/2016 11:32:45 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I think that'd probably work in the Dem's favor, ultimately.

Even among moderate Dems, Bernie is far more liked in that group than Trump among moderate GOP voters.

Thats setting the bar pretty low though

http://www.alternet.org...

It is enough.

Bloomberg's Wall Street standing will drive away a good number of centrist Democrats.

You think Democrats are way more leftist than they actually are

I think your view of the Democrats is that of the Party of the early '90s.

I actually voted in 2012 I think I have a good idea of how Democrats are

Shame on you for not voting in the midterms. It's people like you that get Rick Scott elected.
#FeeltheFreezerBern
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1/24/2016 4:27:10 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
The Dems really really don't want Bernie, but they are starting to realize Hillary isn't a clear shot. I guarantee you an outside democrat (Biden or Bloomberg) steps in and takes the bid from him. Bernie will not become president of the US.
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1/25/2016 4:19:46 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
http://www.reuters.com...
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1/26/2016 2:17:16 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
The Bloomburger declared that he is an independant, not a republican.
He could enter the race as an alternative to those redicuolous democrat candidates. If enough people voted for him instestead of Bernie or Granny Clinton, Trump could edge out the democrat.