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GrandOldParty
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1/28/2016 1:17:14 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
If you think about it, all of the jobs and aid we are giving to illegal immigrants could be much better shifted to the African American and legal Latino communities who really need these jobs and are actually legal citizens, in addition to being some of the most oppressed communities in our countries history. The Obama/Clinton Administrations only seek to maintain the status quo of "seperate but equal," completely allowing millions of illegal immigrants citizenship in exchange for a secure vote and the decline of the African American community. Obama really hasn't done much to help the people who voted him into office. Affirmative Action is not helping the issue. The number of black students enrolling into college is dismally low, and more African Americans need jobs and work experience, but the job markets in the inner cities, especially Sanctuary Cities are frozen by cheap, plentiful labor that the illegal immigrants represent. More needs to be done on this issue on the corporate level, as too many Americans are selling jobs overseas and being almost chided to hire more illegal employees by the Obama Administration. Bombastic and "offensive" as most find him, his policy on immigration and bringing jobs back to the United States benefits the American people, not just the corporations who would be incentivized for keeping jobs here in America. The liberal media would have us believe that Trump is an all out racist who hates Muslims, but then what does that say about his huge following? A person's right to criticize is one of the most important aspects of being an Amercan, but many Trump critics fail to realize that their undermining Trump brings out that anger in his support that only strengthens his base, and inflames the aforementioned support. The liberals built Trump's support. He repeated the thoughts of most "angry white men" and waited for the opinions of these voters to be shot down systematically to the point where this bloc of voters in no longer angry. They are furious. They are undermined, they are furious, and they are in the majority of Middle America, which is the heart and the spine of the American voting population. Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I hope this will teach people not to measure things at face value. God Bless.
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1/28/2016 1:43:32 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
It's sad to watch your own country directly turn away from the native labor force.

http://money.cnn.com...

Absolutely despicable, yet we're all racists for refusing to let foreigners take American jobs. It's a backwards philosophy, Progressivism is. 30% of the inmates in this country are illegal immigrants. Do you realize how much money we could save simply by actually enforcing our damn border? Not to mention these illegals can become eligible for welfare benefits even though they don't pay taxes. What the hell is the good that comes out of this policy? Answer: If liberals get amnesty, they'll get 15 million votes.
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1/28/2016 3:31:12 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
You know, people criticize "The Wall," as the Donald put it, for being ineffective at keeping cartels out, that's not why we need the wall. Cartels need to be met with force, not a wall, now average border hopper on the other hand, won't be able to scale a fortified wall as outlined in Trump's plan for America. It is irresponsible, and in fact, reckless to suggest that a fortified border wall would not curtail illegal immigration. It worked for China*.

*I do not in any way, shape, or form support China.
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1/28/2016 3:37:13 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 3:31:12 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
You know, people criticize "The Wall," as the Donald put it, for being ineffective at keeping cartels out, that's not why we need the wall. Cartels need to be met with force, not a wall, now average border hopper on the other hand, won't be able to scale a fortified wall as outlined in Trump's plan for America. It is irresponsible, and in fact, reckless to suggest that a fortified border wall would not curtail illegal immigration. It worked for China*.

*I do not in any way, shape, or form support China.

Mongolians, Mexicans, things never change.
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1/28/2016 4:10:07 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 3:31:12 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
You know, people criticize "The Wall," as the Donald put it, for being ineffective at keeping cartels out, that's not why we need the wall. Cartels need to be met with force, not a wall, now average border hopper on the other hand, won't be able to scale a fortified wall as outlined in Trump's plan for America. It is irresponsible, and in fact, reckless to suggest that a fortified border wall would not curtail illegal immigration. It worked for China*.

*I do not in any way, shape, or form support China.

The same people who criticize Trump building a 30 billion dollar wall think that adding 2 trillion to the deficit by paying for everyone's education is a good idea. They're mindless. They don't even know that threatening to end trade with Mexico, (We run billions of dollars in trade deficits with Mexico each year which is where they really get rich) will easily get Mexico to at least help contribute to the wall's construction.
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1/28/2016 4:22:09 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 2:58:07 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
The dirty little secret is that the legal American-Hispanics despise the Mexican opportunists.

+1
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1/28/2016 4:24:00 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
Illegals most often take jobs that African Americans would take. I've met individuals, some even being Caucasians, that told me their parents were denied employment and an illegal immigrant was employed in their place.

It also drives down wages for these people, as they have to compete with people who will work for a very low wage.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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1/28/2016 4:31:17 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 1:17:14 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
If you think about it, all of the jobs and aid we are giving to illegal immigrants could be much better shifted to the African American and legal Latino communities who really need these jobs and are actually legal citizens, in addition to being some of the most oppressed communities in our countries history. The Obama/Clinton Administrations only seek to maintain the status quo of "seperate but equal," completely allowing millions of illegal immigrants citizenship in exchange for a secure vote and the decline of the African American community. Obama really hasn't done much to help the people who voted him into office. Affirmative Action is not helping the issue. The number of black students enrolling into college is dismally low, and more African Americans need jobs and work experience, but the job markets in the inner cities, especially Sanctuary Cities are frozen by cheap, plentiful labor that the illegal immigrants represent. More needs to be done on this issue on the corporate level, as too many Americans are selling jobs overseas and being almost chided to hire more illegal employees by the Obama Administration. Bombastic and "offensive" as most find him, his policy on immigration and bringing jobs back to the United States benefits the American people, not just the corporations who would be incentivized for keeping jobs here in America. The liberal media would have us believe that Trump is an all out racist who hates Muslims, but then what does that say about his huge following? A person's right to criticize is one of the most important aspects of being an Amercan, but many Trump critics fail to realize that their undermining Trump brings out that anger in his support that only strengthens his base, and inflames the aforementioned support. The liberals built Trump's support. He repeated the thoughts of most "angry white men" and waited for the opinions of these voters to be shot down systematically to the point where this bloc of voters in no longer angry. They are furious. They are undermined, they are furious, and they are in the majority of Middle America, which is the heart and the spine of the American voting population. Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I hope this will teach people not to measure things at face value. God Bless.

Illegal immigration has declined during the Obama Administration from 12.2 million to 11.3 million.

In other words, Donald Trump is lying to you.
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1/28/2016 4:38:34 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 4:31:17 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 1/28/2016 1:17:14 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
If you think about it, all of the jobs and aid we are giving to illegal immigrants could be much better shifted to the African American and legal Latino communities who really need these jobs and are actually legal citizens, in addition to being some of the most oppressed communities in our countries history. The Obama/Clinton Administrations only seek to maintain the status quo of "seperate but equal," completely allowing millions of illegal immigrants citizenship in exchange for a secure vote and the decline of the African American community. Obama really hasn't done much to help the people who voted him into office. Affirmative Action is not helping the issue. The number of black students enrolling into college is dismally low, and more African Americans need jobs and work experience, but the job markets in the inner cities, especially Sanctuary Cities are frozen by cheap, plentiful labor that the illegal immigrants represent. More needs to be done on this issue on the corporate level, as too many Americans are selling jobs overseas and being almost chided to hire more illegal employees by the Obama Administration. Bombastic and "offensive" as most find him, his policy on immigration and bringing jobs back to the United States benefits the American people, not just the corporations who would be incentivized for keeping jobs here in America. The liberal media would have us believe that Trump is an all out racist who hates Muslims, but then what does that say about his huge following? A person's right to criticize is one of the most important aspects of being an Amercan, but many Trump critics fail to realize that their undermining Trump brings out that anger in his support that only strengthens his base, and inflames the aforementioned support. The liberals built Trump's support. He repeated the thoughts of most "angry white men" and waited for the opinions of these voters to be shot down systematically to the point where this bloc of voters in no longer angry. They are furious. They are undermined, they are furious, and they are in the majority of Middle America, which is the heart and the spine of the American voting population. Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I hope this will teach people not to measure things at face value. God Bless.

Illegal immigration has declined during the Obama Administration from 12.2 million to 11.3 million.

In other words, Donald Trump is lying to you.

It must be nice, being so oblivious. You obviously haven't been keeping up.

http://www.washingtontimes.com...
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1/28/2016 4:42:52 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 4:38:34 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
At 1/28/2016 4:31:17 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 1/28/2016 1:17:14 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
If you think about it, all of the jobs and aid we are giving to illegal immigrants could be much better shifted to the African American and legal Latino communities who really need these jobs and are actually legal citizens, in addition to being some of the most oppressed communities in our countries history. The Obama/Clinton Administrations only seek to maintain the status quo of "seperate but equal," completely allowing millions of illegal immigrants citizenship in exchange for a secure vote and the decline of the African American community. Obama really hasn't done much to help the people who voted him into office. Affirmative Action is not helping the issue. The number of black students enrolling into college is dismally low, and more African Americans need jobs and work experience, but the job markets in the inner cities, especially Sanctuary Cities are frozen by cheap, plentiful labor that the illegal immigrants represent. More needs to be done on this issue on the corporate level, as too many Americans are selling jobs overseas and being almost chided to hire more illegal employees by the Obama Administration. Bombastic and "offensive" as most find him, his policy on immigration and bringing jobs back to the United States benefits the American people, not just the corporations who would be incentivized for keeping jobs here in America. The liberal media would have us believe that Trump is an all out racist who hates Muslims, but then what does that say about his huge following? A person's right to criticize is one of the most important aspects of being an Amercan, but many Trump critics fail to realize that their undermining Trump brings out that anger in his support that only strengthens his base, and inflames the aforementioned support. The liberals built Trump's support. He repeated the thoughts of most "angry white men" and waited for the opinions of these voters to be shot down systematically to the point where this bloc of voters in no longer angry. They are furious. They are undermined, they are furious, and they are in the majority of Middle America, which is the heart and the spine of the American voting population. Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I hope this will teach people not to measure things at face value. God Bless.

Illegal immigration has declined during the Obama Administration from 12.2 million to 11.3 million.

In other words, Donald Trump is lying to you.

It must be nice, being so oblivious. You obviously haven't been keeping up.

http://www.washingtontimes.com...

It must be nice being so narrow minded and only worrying about 11 million people, eating up Trump's decisive rhetoric and wasting billions of dollars on a wall instead of doing something for the 320 million in the country.

Must be nice to be that ignorant.
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1/28/2016 4:53:38 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 4:42:52 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 1/28/2016 4:38:34 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
At 1/28/2016 4:31:17 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 1/28/2016 1:17:14 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
If you think about it, all of the jobs and aid we are giving to illegal immigrants could be much better shifted to the African American and legal Latino communities who really need these jobs and are actually legal citizens, in addition to being some of the most oppressed communities in our countries history. The Obama/Clinton Administrations only seek to maintain the status quo of "seperate but equal," completely allowing millions of illegal immigrants citizenship in exchange for a secure vote and the decline of the African American community. Obama really hasn't done much to help the people who voted him into office. Affirmative Action is not helping the issue. The number of black students enrolling into college is dismally low, and more African Americans need jobs and work experience, but the job markets in the inner cities, especially Sanctuary Cities are frozen by cheap, plentiful labor that the illegal immigrants represent. More needs to be done on this issue on the corporate level, as too many Americans are selling jobs overseas and being almost chided to hire more illegal employees by the Obama Administration. Bombastic and "offensive" as most find him, his policy on immigration and bringing jobs back to the United States benefits the American people, not just the corporations who would be incentivized for keeping jobs here in America. The liberal media would have us believe that Trump is an all out racist who hates Muslims, but then what does that say about his huge following? A person's right to criticize is one of the most important aspects of being an Amercan, but many Trump critics fail to realize that their undermining Trump brings out that anger in his support that only strengthens his base, and inflames the aforementioned support. The liberals built Trump's support. He repeated the thoughts of most "angry white men" and waited for the opinions of these voters to be shot down systematically to the point where this bloc of voters in no longer angry. They are furious. They are undermined, they are furious, and they are in the majority of Middle America, which is the heart and the spine of the American voting population. Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I hope this will teach people not to measure things at face value. God Bless.

Illegal immigration has declined during the Obama Administration from 12.2 million to 11.3 million.

In other words, Donald Trump is lying to you.

It must be nice, being so oblivious. You obviously haven't been keeping up.

http://www.washingtontimes.com...

It must be nice being so narrow minded and only worrying about 11 million people, eating up Trump's decisive rhetoric and wasting billions of dollars on a wall instead of doing something for the 320 million in the country.

Must be nice to be that ignorant.

If all you're going to do is name call, go to buzzfeed. If you actually read correctly, you'd realize that we are spending more money keeping them here than the wall actually costs. That would be doing something for the 320 million in this country. But no, you're right Obama has done nothing to encourage illegal immigration.
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1/28/2016 5:14:44 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 4:53:38 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
At 1/28/2016 4:42:52 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 1/28/2016 4:38:34 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
At 1/28/2016 4:31:17 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 1/28/2016 1:17:14 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
If you think about it, all of the jobs and aid we are giving to illegal immigrants could be much better shifted to the African American and legal Latino communities who really need these jobs and are actually legal citizens, in addition to being some of the most oppressed communities in our countries history. The Obama/Clinton Administrations only seek to maintain the status quo of "seperate but equal," completely allowing millions of illegal immigrants citizenship in exchange for a secure vote and the decline of the African American community. Obama really hasn't done much to help the people who voted him into office. Affirmative Action is not helping the issue. The number of black students enrolling into college is dismally low, and more African Americans need jobs and work experience, but the job markets in the inner cities, especially Sanctuary Cities are frozen by cheap, plentiful labor that the illegal immigrants represent. More needs to be done on this issue on the corporate level, as too many Americans are selling jobs overseas and being almost chided to hire more illegal employees by the Obama Administration. Bombastic and "offensive" as most find him, his policy on immigration and bringing jobs back to the United States benefits the American people, not just the corporations who would be incentivized for keeping jobs here in America. The liberal media would have us believe that Trump is an all out racist who hates Muslims, but then what does that say about his huge following? A person's right to criticize is one of the most important aspects of being an Amercan, but many Trump critics fail to realize that their undermining Trump brings out that anger in his support that only strengthens his base, and inflames the aforementioned support. The liberals built Trump's support. He repeated the thoughts of most "angry white men" and waited for the opinions of these voters to be shot down systematically to the point where this bloc of voters in no longer angry. They are furious. They are undermined, they are furious, and they are in the majority of Middle America, which is the heart and the spine of the American voting population. Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I hope this will teach people not to measure things at face value. God Bless.

Illegal immigration has declined during the Obama Administration from 12.2 million to 11.3 million.

In other words, Donald Trump is lying to you.

It must be nice, being so oblivious. You obviously haven't been keeping up.

http://www.washingtontimes.com...

It must be nice being so narrow minded and only worrying about 11 million people, eating up Trump's decisive rhetoric and wasting billions of dollars on a wall instead of doing something for the 320 million in the country.

Must be nice to be that ignorant.

If all you're going to do is name call, go to buzzfeed. If you actually read correctly, you'd realize that we are spending more money keeping them here than the wall actually costs. That would be doing something for the 320 million in this country. But no, you're right Obama has done nothing to encourage illegal immigration.

You have no clue what you're talking about. End of story.
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1/28/2016 5:35:07 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 5:14:44 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 1/28/2016 4:53:38 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
At 1/28/2016 4:42:52 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 1/28/2016 4:38:34 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
At 1/28/2016 4:31:17 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 1/28/2016 1:17:14 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
If you think about it, all of the jobs and aid we are giving to illegal immigrants could be much better shifted to the African American and legal Latino communities who really need these jobs and are actually legal citizens, in addition to being some of the most oppressed communities in our countries history. The Obama/Clinton Administrations only seek to maintain the status quo of "seperate but equal," completely allowing millions of illegal immigrants citizenship in exchange for a secure vote and the decline of the African American community. Obama really hasn't done much to help the people who voted him into office. Affirmative Action is not helping the issue. The number of black students enrolling into college is dismally low, and more African Americans need jobs and work experience, but the job markets in the inner cities, especially Sanctuary Cities are frozen by cheap, plentiful labor that the illegal immigrants represent. More needs to be done on this issue on the corporate level, as too many Americans are selling jobs overseas and being almost chided to hire more illegal employees by the Obama Administration. Bombastic and "offensive" as most find him, his policy on immigration and bringing jobs back to the United States benefits the American people, not just the corporations who would be incentivized for keeping jobs here in America. The liberal media would have us believe that Trump is an all out racist who hates Muslims, but then what does that say about his huge following? A person's right to criticize is one of the most important aspects of being an Amercan, but many Trump critics fail to realize that their undermining Trump brings out that anger in his support that only strengthens his base, and inflames the aforementioned support. The liberals built Trump's support. He repeated the thoughts of most "angry white men" and waited for the opinions of these voters to be shot down systematically to the point where this bloc of voters in no longer angry. They are furious. They are undermined, they are furious, and they are in the majority of Middle America, which is the heart and the spine of the American voting population. Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I hope this will teach people not to measure things at face value. God Bless.

Illegal immigration has declined during the Obama Administration from 12.2 million to 11.3 million.

In other words, Donald Trump is lying to you.

It must be nice, being so oblivious. You obviously haven't been keeping up.

http://www.washingtontimes.com...

It must be nice being so narrow minded and only worrying about 11 million people, eating up Trump's decisive rhetoric and wasting billions of dollars on a wall instead of doing something for the 320 million in the country.

Must be nice to be that ignorant.

If all you're going to do is name call, go to buzzfeed. If you actually read correctly, you'd realize that we are spending more money keeping them here than the wall actually costs. That would be doing something for the 320 million in this country. But no, you're right Obama has done nothing to encourage illegal immigration.

You have no clue what you're talking about. End of story.

Wow. That should convince 'em. You are an excellent debator.
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1/28/2016 6:13:06 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 5:35:07 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
At 1/28/2016 5:14:44 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 1/28/2016 4:53:38 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
At 1/28/2016 4:42:52 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 1/28/2016 4:38:34 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
At 1/28/2016 4:31:17 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 1/28/2016 1:17:14 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
If you think about it, all of the jobs and aid we are giving to illegal immigrants could be much better shifted to the African American and legal Latino communities who really need these jobs and are actually legal citizens, in addition to being some of the most oppressed communities in our countries history. The Obama/Clinton Administrations only seek to maintain the status quo of "seperate but equal," completely allowing millions of illegal immigrants citizenship in exchange for a secure vote and the decline of the African American community. Obama really hasn't done much to help the people who voted him into office. Affirmative Action is not helping the issue. The number of black students enrolling into college is dismally low, and more African Americans need jobs and work experience, but the job markets in the inner cities, especially Sanctuary Cities are frozen by cheap, plentiful labor that the illegal immigrants represent. More needs to be done on this issue on the corporate level, as too many Americans are selling jobs overseas and being almost chided to hire more illegal employees by the Obama Administration. Bombastic and "offensive" as most find him, his policy on immigration and bringing jobs back to the United States benefits the American people, not just the corporations who would be incentivized for keeping jobs here in America. The liberal media would have us believe that Trump is an all out racist who hates Muslims, but then what does that say about his huge following? A person's right to criticize is one of the most important aspects of being an Amercan, but many Trump critics fail to realize that their undermining Trump brings out that anger in his support that only strengthens his base, and inflames the aforementioned support. The liberals built Trump's support. He repeated the thoughts of most "angry white men" and waited for the opinions of these voters to be shot down systematically to the point where this bloc of voters in no longer angry. They are furious. They are undermined, they are furious, and they are in the majority of Middle America, which is the heart and the spine of the American voting population. Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I hope this will teach people not to measure things at face value. God Bless.

Illegal immigration has declined during the Obama Administration from 12.2 million to 11.3 million.

In other words, Donald Trump is lying to you.

It must be nice, being so oblivious. You obviously haven't been keeping up.

http://www.washingtontimes.com...

It must be nice being so narrow minded and only worrying about 11 million people, eating up Trump's decisive rhetoric and wasting billions of dollars on a wall instead of doing something for the 320 million in the country.

Must be nice to be that ignorant.

If all you're going to do is name call, go to buzzfeed. If you actually read correctly, you'd realize that we are spending more money keeping them here than the wall actually costs. That would be doing something for the 320 million in this country. But no, you're right Obama has done nothing to encourage illegal immigration.

You have no clue what you're talking about. End of story.

Wow. That should convince 'em. You are an excellent debator.

I don't have time to debate the ignorant.
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1/28/2016 2:35:39 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 4:10:07 AM, walker_harris3 wrote:
At 1/28/2016 3:31:12 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:
You know, people criticize "The Wall," as the Donald put it, for being ineffective at keeping cartels out, that's not why we need the wall. Cartels need to be met with force, not a wall, now average border hopper on the other hand, won't be able to scale a fortified wall as outlined in Trump's plan for America. It is irresponsible, and in fact, reckless to suggest that a fortified border wall would not curtail illegal immigration. It worked for China*.

*I do not in any way, shape, or form support China.

The same people who criticize Trump building a 30 billion dollar wall think that adding 2 trillion to the deficit by paying for everyone's education is a good idea.

This is a good idea, if ya do it right.
Average citizen comes to "The Government" and says "Pay for my education!". Government bean counter starts taking a peek see around the area, around the county, and around the state and says... "OKay! We are in need of about 2K teachers, a few dozen law enforcement officers, the private sector is largely reporting gaps in nursing requirements, and industrial mechanics. Which do you choose?"

.... and pays for that specific curriculum accordingly. Assuming said average citizen passes said curriculum and enters the job market, presto, "free" education. One would need, however, to have had the aptitude to get into that curriculum in the first place.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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1/28/2016 5:29:44 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Im going to go ahead and deconstruct your entire post to explain to you why your post is stupid.

If you think about it, all of the jobs and aid we are giving to illegal immigrants could be much better shifted to the African American and legal Latino communities who really need these jobs and are actually legal citizens

The same argument was made for white people, but the issue is that the jobs illegal immigrants do (picking crops, digging ditches, etc) are jobs that other people dont actually want....

in addition to being some of the most oppressed communities in our countries history. The Obama/Clinton Administrations only seek to maintain the status quo of "seperate but equal," completely allowing millions of illegal immigrants citizenship in exchange for a secure vote and the decline of the African American community.

Frankly this is almost too stupid to even address, but 1) granting them amnesty or citizenship wont mean theyll vote for whoever is granting them amnesty since Reagan did that and the hispanic vote flocked to democrats anyways, 2) You clearly have no idea of what the concept of 'separate but equal' is considering how badly you just misapplied it, and 3) granting citizenship to illegal immigrants doesnt translate into the decline of the african american community.

Obama really hasn't done much to help the people who voted him into office.

Opinion

Affirmative Action is not helping the issue.

Opinion

The number of black students enrolling into college is dismally low,

Its actually at an all time high http://money.cnn.com...

and more African Americans need jobs and work experience, but the job markets in the inner cities, especially Sanctuary Cities are frozen by cheap, plentiful labor that the illegal immigrants represent.

Not all black people live exclusively in sanctuary cities though, and as mentioned before, its not even guaranteed that black people would want the jobs filled by illegal immigrants, since illegal immigrants due the most menial and low paying jobs imaginable.

More needs to be done on this issue on the corporate level, as too many Americans are selling jobs overseas and being almost chided to hire more illegal employees by the Obama Administration.

The Obama administration isnt pushing businesses to hire illegal employees, thats idiotic to believe

Bombastic and "offensive" as most find him, his policy on immigration and bringing jobs back to the United States benefits the American people, not just the corporations who would be incentivized for keeping jobs here in America.

Except they dont, you only believe that because he tells you that they will

The liberal media

The age old boogyman of whiny republicans....

would have us believe that Trump is an all out racist who hates Muslims, but then what does that say about his huge following?

It says that theyre also people who hate muslims..... Muslims are second only to atheists in being the most distrusted segment of society, its not that much of a stretch to think that all of Trumps supporters hate Muslims to some degree, because many of them do.

A person's right to criticize is one of the most important aspects of being an Amercan, but many Trump critics fail to realize that their undermining Trump brings out that anger in his support that only strengthens his base, and inflames the aforementioned support.

Are you really blaming liberals for trump having as much support as he does?

The liberals built Trump's support.

No, muslim and immigrant hating racists built Trump's support.... That's why theyre all voting for him.

He repeated the thoughts of most "angry white men" and waited for the opinions of these voters to be shot down systematically to the point where this bloc of voters in no longer angry. They are furious. They are undermined, they are furious,

Well of course theyre whiny, they want to go back to 1950's america where 9 out of 10 times beating a black guy to death in the south would go unpunished since thats the america they grew up in

and they are in the majority of Middle America, which is the heart and the spine of the American voting population.

Trump's supporters are more likely to be uneducated, nonreligious, and poor white men than other candidates in the GOP itself..... They are not the heart and spine of the American voting population, they are outnumbered by the combined weight of women, hispanics, african americans, muslims, young people, etc that the GOP have routinely left out in the dark.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I hope this will teach people not to measure things at face value. God Bless.

Youre a complete tool who has no idea what he is talking about
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1/28/2016 5:31:59 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
The same people who criticize Trump building a 30 billion dollar wall think that adding 2 trillion to the deficit by paying for everyone's education is a good idea.


This is a good idea, if ya do it right.
Average citizen comes to "The Government" and says "Pay for my education!". Government bean counter starts taking a peek see around the area, around the county, and around the state and says... "OKay! We are in need of about 2K teachers, a few dozen law enforcement officers, the private sector is largely reporting gaps in nursing requirements, and industrial mechanics. Which do you choose?"

.... and pays for that specific curriculum accordingly. Assuming said average citizen passes said curriculum and enters the job market, presto, "free" education. One would need, however, to have had the aptitude to get into that curriculum in the first place.

I don't think that's how it works. A "free" education is worthless if you can't use it. Raising taxes discourages job and business growth and encourages job reduction. Raising taxes is necessary in order to somehow pay an additional 2 trillion dollars over 4 years. This means loss of job availability for students coming out of college. Your education is completely worthless if you don't have a job to use it. It isn't fair either. People before and after Bernie would still have paid their tuition and loans off while a window of college students under Bernie would have gotten off without paying anything, and would have an extreme advantage over the people who paid. That's inequality in the economy! The focus shouldn't be raising taxes for free education that doesn't get a handful of graduates anywhere in life. It should be bringing jobs back into the country for graduates to put their education to use and be productive citizens.
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1/28/2016 5:58:11 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 4:31:17 AM, stealspell wrote:

Illegal immigration has declined during the Obama Administration from 12.2 million to 11.3 million.

In other words, Donald Trump is lying to you.

I hope Trump isn't lying when he says it will decline from 11.3 million to...ZERO.
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1/28/2016 6:01:04 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Illegal immigration subsidizes low food prices. Period. We have insanely cheap food comparatively as a nation. I really don't mind increased food prices. We can afford more expensive food.

The government can just issue out more food stamps; it's not a real problem.
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1/28/2016 6:16:42 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 5:31:59 PM, walker_harris3 wrote:
The same people who criticize Trump building a 30 billion dollar wall think that adding 2 trillion to the deficit by paying for everyone's education is a good idea.


This is a good idea, if ya do it right.
Average citizen comes to "The Government" and says "Pay for my education!". Government bean counter starts taking a peek see around the area, around the county, and around the state and says... "OKay! We are in need of about 2K teachers, a few dozen law enforcement officers, the private sector is largely reporting gaps in nursing requirements, and industrial mechanics. Which do you choose?"

.... and pays for that specific curriculum accordingly. Assuming said average citizen passes said curriculum and enters the job market, presto, "free" education. One would need, however, to have had the aptitude to get into that curriculum in the first place.

I don't think that's how it works. A "free" education is worthless if you can't use it.

And you can't use it if the education you choose has no demand behind it. In this instance, the field is immediately being found and attempting to be filled through higher education.

Raising taxes discourages job and business growth and encourages job reduction.

No argument.

Raising taxes is necessary in order to somehow pay an additional 2 trillion dollars over 4 years. This means loss of job availability for students coming out of college. Your education is completely worthless if you don't have a job to use it. It isn't fair either.

Fortunately, those people that you gave the free education to actually have an education in the fields which are experiencing shortages. That was the point. Now you have people being able to pay taxes, rather than getting a degree or education/trade in a field for which there is no demand.

People before and after Bernie would still have paid their tuition and loans off while a window of college students under Bernie would have gotten off without paying anything, and would have an extreme advantage over the people who paid.

Assuming you don't retro-actively adjust for students that in fields with a demand. Yes, it would require tweaking. What makes it "fair" is that those students essentially lost their choice in education.

That's inequality in the economy! The focus shouldn't be raising taxes for free education that doesn't get a handful of graduates anywhere in life.

So, you didn't read my post then.

It should be bringing jobs back into the country for graduates to put their education to use and be productive citizens.
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1/28/2016 7:21:15 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 5:29:44 PM, imabench wrote:
Im going to go ahead and deconstruct your entire post to explain to you why your post is stupid.

If you think about it, all of the jobs and aid we are giving to illegal immigrants could be much better shifted to the African American and legal Latino communities who really need these jobs and are actually legal citizens

The same argument was made for white people, but the issue is that the jobs illegal immigrants do (picking crops, digging ditches, etc) are jobs that other people dont actually want....

in addition to being some of the most oppressed communities in our countries history. The Obama/Clinton Administrations only seek to maintain the status quo of "seperate but equal," completely allowing millions of illegal immigrants citizenship in exchange for a secure vote and the decline of the African American community.

Frankly this is almost too stupid to even address, but 1) granting them amnesty or citizenship wont mean theyll vote for whoever is granting them amnesty since Reagan did that and the hispanic vote flocked to democrats anyways, 2) You clearly have no idea of what the concept of 'separate but equal' is considering how badly you just misapplied it, and 3) granting citizenship to illegal immigrants doesnt translate into the decline of the african american community.

Obama really hasn't done much to help the people who voted him into office.

Opinion

Affirmative Action is not helping the issue.

Opinion

The number of black students enrolling into college is dismally low,

Its actually at an all time high http://money.cnn.com...

and more African Americans need jobs and work experience, but the job markets in the inner cities, especially Sanctuary Cities are frozen by cheap, plentiful labor that the illegal immigrants represent.

Not all black people live exclusively in sanctuary cities though, and as mentioned before, its not even guaranteed that black people would want the jobs filled by illegal immigrants, since illegal immigrants due the most menial and low paying jobs imaginable.

More needs to be done on this issue on the corporate level, as too many Americans are selling jobs overseas and being almost chided to hire more illegal employees by the Obama Administration.

The Obama administration isnt pushing businesses to hire illegal employees, thats idiotic to believe

Bombastic and "offensive" as most find him, his policy on immigration and bringing jobs back to the United States benefits the American people, not just the corporations who would be incentivized for keeping jobs here in America.

Except they dont, you only believe that because he tells you that they will

The liberal media

The age old boogyman of whiny republicans....

would have us believe that Trump is an all out racist who hates Muslims, but then what does that say about his huge following?

It says that theyre also people who hate muslims..... Muslims are second only to atheists in being the most distrusted segment of society, its not that much of a stretch to think that all of Trumps supporters hate Muslims to some degree, because many of them do.

A person's right to criticize is one of the most important aspects of being an Amercan, but many Trump critics fail to realize that their undermining Trump brings out that anger in his support that only strengthens his base, and inflames the aforementioned support.

Are you really blaming liberals for trump having as much support as he does?

The liberals built Trump's support.

No, muslim and immigrant hating racists built Trump's support.... That's why theyre all voting for him.

He repeated the thoughts of most "angry white men" and waited for the opinions of these voters to be shot down systematically to the point where this bloc of voters in no longer angry. They are furious. They are undermined, they are furious,

Well of course theyre whiny, they want to go back to 1950's america where 9 out of 10 times beating a black guy to death in the south would go unpunished since thats the america they grew up in

and they are in the majority of Middle America, which is the heart and the spine of the American voting population.

Trump's supporters are more likely to be uneducated, nonreligious, and poor white men than other candidates in the GOP itself..... They are not the heart and spine of the American voting population, they are outnumbered by the combined weight of women, hispanics, african americans, muslims, young people, etc that the GOP have routinely left out in the dark.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I hope this will teach people not to measure things at face value. God Bless.

Youre a complete tool who has no idea what he is talking about

You have done nothing to create a constructive argument supporting your case. Your one cite is outdated, and all you did was call my post stupid. You do nothing but reinforce the ideas that liberals are subpar debators and can't handle the difference of opinion. Know what you're talking about.
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1/28/2016 7:47:36 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 5:29:44 PM, imabench wrote:
Im going to go ahead and deconstruct your entire post to explain to you why your post is stupid.

If you think about it, all of the jobs and aid we are giving to illegal immigrants could be much better shifted to the African American and legal Latino communities who really need these jobs and are actually legal citizens

The same argument was made for white people, but the issue is that the jobs illegal immigrants do (picking crops, digging ditches, etc) are jobs that other people dont actually want....

in addition to being some of the most oppressed communities in our countries history. The Obama/Clinton Administrations only seek to maintain the status quo of "seperate but equal," completely allowing millions of illegal immigrants citizenship in exchange for a secure vote and the decline of the African American community.

Frankly this is almost too stupid to even address, but 1) granting them amnesty or citizenship wont mean theyll vote for whoever is granting them amnesty since Reagan did that and the hispanic vote flocked to democrats anyways, 2) You clearly have no idea of what the concept of 'separate but equal' is considering how badly you just misapplied it, and 3) granting citizenship to illegal immigrants doesnt translate into the decline of the african american community.

Obama really hasn't done much to help the people who voted him into office.

Opinion

Affirmative Action is not helping the issue.

Opinion

The number of black students enrolling into college is dismally low,

Its actually at an all time high http://money.cnn.com...

and more African Americans need jobs and work experience, but the job markets in the inner cities, especially Sanctuary Cities are frozen by cheap, plentiful labor that the illegal immigrants represent.

Not all black people live exclusively in sanctuary cities though, and as mentioned before, its not even guaranteed that black people would want the jobs filled by illegal immigrants, since illegal immigrants due the most menial and low paying jobs imaginable.

More needs to be done on this issue on the corporate level, as too many Americans are selling jobs overseas and being almost chided to hire more illegal employees by the Obama Administration.

The Obama administration isnt pushing businesses to hire illegal employees, thats idiotic to believe

Bombastic and "offensive" as most find him, his policy on immigration and bringing jobs back to the United States benefits the American people, not just the corporations who would be incentivized for keeping jobs here in America.

Except they dont, you only believe that because he tells you that they will

The liberal media

The age old boogyman of whiny republicans....

would have us believe that Trump is an all out racist who hates Muslims, but then what does that say about his huge following?

It says that theyre also people who hate muslims..... Muslims are second only to atheists in being the most distrusted segment of society, its not that much of a stretch to think that all of Trumps supporters hate Muslims to some degree, because many of them do.

A person's right to criticize is one of the most important aspects of being an Amercan, but many Trump critics fail to realize that their undermining Trump brings out that anger in his support that only strengthens his base, and inflames the aforementioned support.

Are you really blaming liberals for trump having as much support as he does?

The liberals built Trump's support.

No, muslim and immigrant hating racists built Trump's support.... That's why theyre all voting for him.

He repeated the thoughts of most "angry white men" and waited for the opinions of these voters to be shot down systematically to the point where this bloc of voters in no longer angry. They are furious. They are undermined, they are furious,

Well of course theyre whiny, they want to go back to 1950's america where 9 out of 10 times beating a black guy to death in the south would go unpunished since thats the america they grew up in

and they are in the majority of Middle America, which is the heart and the spine of the American voting population.

Trump's supporters are more likely to be uneducated, nonreligious, and poor white men than other candidates in the GOP itself..... They are not the heart and spine of the American voting population, they are outnumbered by the combined weight of women, hispanics, african americans, muslims, young people, etc that the GOP have routinely left out in the dark.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I hope this will teach people not to measure things at face value. God Bless.

Youre a complete tool who has no idea what he is talking about

Maybe YOU don't want those jobs, because like a lot of Americans today, you are lazy. You are probably the little white rich kid who never HAD to get a job. Another mistake you made in your ignorant reply, was bringing up a President who hasn't been in office for over 30 years. Reagan didn't have Trump's support at this stage in the race. If you want to be blind and claim that black graduation rates are at an all time high, you can, but those numbers are a disgrace. We need more to graduate and we need to do more to help THEM and not illegals. I'm not even sure why white people were brought up. You're reply tells me, however, that you are an intellectual derelict, and no amount of logic or reasoning will convince the empty space in your head. Good luck, you'll need it.
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1/28/2016 8:20:07 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 7:47:36 PM, GrandOldParty wrote:
At 1/28/2016 5:29:44 PM, imabench wrote:
Im going to go ahead and deconstruct your entire post to explain to you why your post is stupid.

If you think about it, all of the jobs and aid we are giving to illegal immigrants could be much better shifted to the African American and legal Latino communities who really need these jobs and are actually legal citizens

The same argument was made for white people, but the issue is that the jobs illegal immigrants do (picking crops, digging ditches, etc) are jobs that other people dont actually want....

in addition to being some of the most oppressed communities in our countries history. The Obama/Clinton Administrations only seek to maintain the status quo of "seperate but equal," completely allowing millions of illegal immigrants citizenship in exchange for a secure vote and the decline of the African American community.

Frankly this is almost too stupid to even address, but 1) granting them amnesty or citizenship wont mean theyll vote for whoever is granting them amnesty since Reagan did that and the hispanic vote flocked to democrats anyways, 2) You clearly have no idea of what the concept of 'separate but equal' is considering how badly you just misapplied it, and 3) granting citizenship to illegal immigrants doesnt translate into the decline of the african american community.

Obama really hasn't done much to help the people who voted him into office.

Opinion

Affirmative Action is not helping the issue.

Opinion

The number of black students enrolling into college is dismally low,

Its actually at an all time high http://money.cnn.com...

and more African Americans need jobs and work experience, but the job markets in the inner cities, especially Sanctuary Cities are frozen by cheap, plentiful labor that the illegal immigrants represent.

Not all black people live exclusively in sanctuary cities though, and as mentioned before, its not even guaranteed that black people would want the jobs filled by illegal immigrants, since illegal immigrants due the most menial and low paying jobs imaginable.

More needs to be done on this issue on the corporate level, as too many Americans are selling jobs overseas and being almost chided to hire more illegal employees by the Obama Administration.

The Obama administration isnt pushing businesses to hire illegal employees, thats idiotic to believe

Bombastic and "offensive" as most find him, his policy on immigration and bringing jobs back to the United States benefits the American people, not just the corporations who would be incentivized for keeping jobs here in America.

Except they dont, you only believe that because he tells you that they will

The liberal media

The age old boogyman of whiny republicans....

would have us believe that Trump is an all out racist who hates Muslims, but then what does that say about his huge following?

It says that theyre also people who hate muslims..... Muslims are second only to atheists in being the most distrusted segment of society, its not that much of a stretch to think that all of Trumps supporters hate Muslims to some degree, because many of them do.

A person's right to criticize is one of the most important aspects of being an Amercan, but many Trump critics fail to realize that their undermining Trump brings out that anger in his support that only strengthens his base, and inflames the aforementioned support.

Are you really blaming liberals for trump having as much support as he does?

The liberals built Trump's support.

No, muslim and immigrant hating racists built Trump's support.... That's why theyre all voting for him.

He repeated the thoughts of most "angry white men" and waited for the opinions of these voters to be shot down systematically to the point where this bloc of voters in no longer angry. They are furious. They are undermined, they are furious,

Well of course theyre whiny, they want to go back to 1950's america where 9 out of 10 times beating a black guy to death in the south would go unpunished since thats the america they grew up in

and they are in the majority of Middle America, which is the heart and the spine of the American voting population.

Trump's supporters are more likely to be uneducated, nonreligious, and poor white men than other candidates in the GOP itself..... They are not the heart and spine of the American voting population, they are outnumbered by the combined weight of women, hispanics, african americans, muslims, young people, etc that the GOP have routinely left out in the dark.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I hope this will teach people not to measure things at face value. God Bless.

Youre a complete tool who has no idea what he is talking about

Maybe YOU don't want those jobs, because like a lot of Americans today, you are lazy.

No its actually because they work menial jobs that other people dont want

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

name one job an illegal immigrant works that you would want.

Reagan didn't have Trump's support at this stage in the race.

Reagan was president when he granted amnesty to people genius..... He was president when he granted amnesty, so did Bush after him, yet Hispanics didnt support them during re-election, proving your claim that people grant amnesty for votes is, like the rest of your argument and yourself, ignorant and uninformed

http://www.businessinsider.com...

If you want to be blind and claim that black graduation rates are at an all time high, you can

I can and I will because unlike you I actually use facts.

We need more to graduate and we need to do more to help THEM and not illegals.

Opinion.

You're reply tells me, however, that you are an intellectual derelict, and no amount of logic or reasoning will convince the empty space in your head. Good luck, you'll need it.

Lol, says the idiot whose claims arent even supported by evidence and dropped every argument made against him..... Hit puberty and then crawl back on the internet, until then enjoy high school, boy ;)
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1/28/2016 8:20:53 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 6:13:06 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 1/28/2016 5:35:07 AM, GrandOldParty wrote:

Wow. That should convince 'em. You are an excellent debator.

I don't have time to debate the ignorant.

You werent kidding when you said GOP was ignorant, the guy has no idea what he's talking about at all
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1/28/2016 8:40:12 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 5:58:11 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 1/28/2016 4:31:17 AM, stealspell wrote:

Illegal immigration has declined during the Obama Administration from 12.2 million to 11.3 million.

In other words, Donald Trump is lying to you.

I hope Trump isn't lying when he says it will decline from 11.3 million to...ZERO.

1) It's unrealistic to think we'll ever have zero illegal immigrants. We don't have zero of anything in life. We can reduce but cannot eliminate.

2) Trump is scapegoating. Kicking out 11.3 million people won't fix income inequality, the fact that people can't pay for their healthcare, the fact that they can't pay for their prescription drugs, the fact that they can't send their children to college, etc.
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1/28/2016 9:36:38 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 8:20:07 PM, imabench wrote:
At 1/28/2016 7:47:36 PM, GrandOldParty wrote:
At 1/28/2016 5:29:44 PM, imabench wrote:
Im going to go ahead and deconstruct your entire post to explain to you why your post is stupid.

If you think about it, all of the jobs and aid we are giving to illegal immigrants could be much better shifted to the African American and legal Latino communities who really need these jobs and are actually legal citizens

The same argument was made for white people, but the issue is that the jobs illegal immigrants do (picking crops, digging ditches, etc) are jobs that other people dont actually want....

in addition to being some of the most oppressed communities in our countries history. The Obama/Clinton Administrations only seek to maintain the status quo of "seperate but equal," completely allowing millions of illegal immigrants citizenship in exchange for a secure vote and the decline of the African American community.

Frankly this is almost too stupid to even address, but 1) granting them amnesty or citizenship wont mean theyll vote for whoever is granting them amnesty since Reagan did that and the hispanic vote flocked to democrats anyways, 2) You clearly have no idea of what the concept of 'separate but equal' is considering how badly you just misapplied it, and 3) granting citizenship to illegal immigrants doesnt translate into the decline of the african american community.

Obama really hasn't done much to help the people who voted him into office.

Opinion

Affirmative Action is not helping the issue.

Opinion

The number of black students enrolling into college is dismally low,

Its actually at an all time high http://money.cnn.com...

and more African Americans need jobs and work experience, but the job markets in the inner cities, especially Sanctuary Cities are frozen by cheap, plentiful labor that the illegal immigrants represent.

Not all black people live exclusively in sanctuary cities though, and as mentioned before, its not even guaranteed that black people would want the jobs filled by illegal immigrants, since illegal immigrants due the most menial and low paying jobs imaginable.

More needs to be done on this issue on the corporate level, as too many Americans are selling jobs overseas and being almost chided to hire more illegal employees by the Obama Administration.

The Obama administration isnt pushing businesses to hire illegal employees, thats idiotic to believe

Bombastic and "offensive" as most find him, his policy on immigration and bringing jobs back to the United States benefits the American people, not just the corporations who would be incentivized for keeping jobs here in America.

Except they dont, you only believe that because he tells you that they will

The liberal media

The age old boogyman of whiny republicans....

would have us believe that Trump is an all out racist who hates Muslims, but then what does that say about his huge following?

It says that theyre also people who hate muslims..... Muslims are second only to atheists in being the most distrusted segment of society, its not that much of a stretch to think that all of Trumps supporters hate Muslims to some degree, because many of them do.

A person's right to criticize is one of the most important aspects of being an Amercan, but many Trump critics fail to realize that their undermining Trump brings out that anger in his support that only strengthens his base, and inflames the aforementioned support.

Are you really blaming liberals for trump having as much support as he does?

The liberals built Trump's support.

No, muslim and immigrant hating racists built Trump's support.... That's why theyre all voting for him.

He repeated the thoughts of most "angry white men" and waited for the opinions of these voters to be shot down systematically to the point where this bloc of voters in no longer angry. They are furious. They are undermined, they are furious,

Well of course theyre whiny, they want to go back to 1950's america where 9 out of 10 times beating a black guy to death in the south would go unpunished since thats the america they grew up in

and they are in the majority of Middle America, which is the heart and the spine of the American voting population.

Trump's supporters are more likely to be uneducated, nonreligious, and poor white men than other candidates in the GOP itself..... They are not the heart and spine of the American voting population, they are outnumbered by the combined weight of women, hispanics, african americans, muslims, young people, etc that the GOP have routinely left out in the dark.

Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. I hope this will teach people not to measure things at face value. God Bless.

Youre a complete tool who has no idea what he is talking about

Maybe YOU don't want those jobs, because like a lot of Americans today, you are lazy.

No its actually because they work menial jobs that other people dont want

http://www.huffingtonpost.com...

name one job an illegal immigrant works that you would want.

Reagan didn't have Trump's support at this stage in the race.

Reagan was president when he granted amnesty to people genius..... He was president when he granted amnesty, so did Bush after him, yet Hispanics didnt support them during re-election, proving your claim that people grant amnesty for votes is, like the rest of your argument and yourself, ignorant and uninformed

http://www.businessinsider.com...

If you want to be blind and claim that black graduation rates are at an all time high, you can

I can and I will because unlike you I actually use facts.

We need more to graduate and we need to do more to help THEM and not illegals.

Opinion.

You're reply tells me, however, that you are an intellectual derelict, and no amount of logic or reasoning will convince the empty space in your head. Good luck, you'll need it.

Lol, says the idiot whose claims arent even supported by evidence and dropped every argument made against him..... Hit puberty and then crawl back on the internet, until then enjoy high school, boy ;)

Ok, Reagan let 2.7 million immigrants recieve amnesty in 1986, according to your source. Obama is going to let the majority of 11 million immigrants receive amnesty:
http://m.washingtontimes.com...
Even if those immigrants Reagan granted amnesty to did vote, it wouldn't of even dented anything. Obama is also going to grant every immigrant who applies for Obamacare citizenship:http://nationalreport.net...
Like I said, Reagan's been dead for years and Bush isn't in politics anymore. And, by the way your Huffington Post(which is a notoriously leftist publication) only includes Alabama, where only 162,000 immigrants live, compared to California, where 25% of illegals live:http://immigration.procon.org...

You are a fool, and your only aim here is not to constructively debate, but to rabble rouse. Your point is now invalid.
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1/28/2016 10:04:18 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Like I said, Reagan's been dead for years and Bush isn't in politics anymore. And, by the way your Huffington Post(which is a notoriously leftist publication) only includes Alabama, where only 162,000 immigrants live, compared to California, where 25% of illegals live:http://immigration.procon.org...


For the seriously math challenged, let me help you out.

Current
~11m aliens
Upwards of 80% might get "protection" not amnesty
That is 8.8m in a current population of 325m or 2.7% of population.

vs

Reagan giving 2.7m full amnesty in a population of 240m or 1.125% of population.

Now. Regardless of the absolutly minuscule bump in percentage change this would make to any vote, "protection from deportation" DOES NOT equal voting rights.

Yea, you are a fool!
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1/28/2016 10:09:48 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 1/28/2016 9:36:38 PM, GrandOldParty wrote:

Ok, Reagan let 2.7 million immigrants recieve amnesty in 1986, according to your source. Obama is going to let the majority of 11 million immigrants receive amnesty:
http://m.washingtontimes.com...
Even if those immigrants Reagan granted amnesty to did vote, it wouldn't of even dented anything.

Thats not the point you imbecile, the point was that granting amnesty to people doesnt guarantee they will vote for you.

learn to read

Obama is also going to grant every immigrant who applies for Obamacare citizenship:http://nationalreport.net...

National report? Really? Are you actually dumb enough to believe that that is a credible news source? A news source that has Palin and Cruz featured at the top of every page?

Like I said, Reagan's been dead for years and Bush isn't in politics anymore. And, by the way your Huffington Post(which is a notoriously leftist publication) only includes Alabama, where only 162,000 immigrants live, compared to California, where 25% of illegals live:http://immigration.procon.org...

The point was that Illegal immigrants do the jobs that white people and others dont want to do. Your failure at comprehending the meaning fo words is stupendous that its no wonder others are so quick to realize how ignorant you are.
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1/28/2016 10:14:03 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
And you can't use it if the education you choose has no demand behind it. In this instance, the field is immediately being found and attempting to be filled through higher education.

One of the more popular degrees now is engineering. Wouldn't you agree that creating a more fiscal friendly environment for companies, especially manufacturing, here in the US would allow more engineers to find work? The only field of engineering that has a real demand right now is computer engineers, while your typical electrical and mechanical engineers are experiencing higher rates of unemployment. An increase in the manufacturing sector would create a higher demand for those engineers, and would result in less unemployment. We can't forget, a good portion of working class citizens without a college degree have been affected by corporate flight as well. A healthy manufacturing sector wouldn't require citizens to have to get a college education to have success in the economy, and would lower unemployment as a whole.

Fortunately, those people that you gave the free education to actually have an education in the fields which are experiencing shortages. That was the point. Now you have people being able to pay taxes, rather than getting a degree or education/trade in a field for which there is no demand.

Right, I see your idea now, but it still creates inequality and is a borderline communistic proposal. It would help people who actually want to work in those positions, but people who have no desire to go into nursing school will still be left with paying for their tuition while they pursue the career they wish to pursue.

Assuming you don't retro-actively adjust for students that in fields with a demand. Yes, it would require tweaking. What makes it "fair" is that those students essentially lost their choice in education.

But that's no good! I am in no way shape or form built mentally to do any science related jobs. I hated science courses, and I'm not alone. Forcing someone who thinks like me but who doesn't have a lot of money to pay for college to take an education preparing him for occupations you mentioned is a set up for failure. Don't get me wrong, I acknowledge that it will help some people, but only a small portion of students. It hurts the overwhelming majority of students, and requires an increased budget.

Here's an example of a free market alternative: My school district is receiving grants from the Say Yes foundation, which is active all over the country. It's a non profit group that's been active since the 80s, and they receive their money strictly from private donations. With this money, they are now giving a scholarship to anyone who have been actively enrolled in the local public school system, whose parents make less than 75K a year. It completely covers tuition. For private school students, they provide 5k annually if their families income exceeds 75k, and more if the family income is less. This requires no government funding, and therefore no raised taxes, and it achieves the same goal except it doesn't channel students down a certain career path potentially against their will.