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2/4/2016 1:11:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/4/2016 12:59:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His dropping out isn't a shocker. His endorsing Rubio did surprise me a bit. Thoughts?

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2/4/2016 1:11:47 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/4/2016 12:59:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His dropping out isn't a shocker. His endorsing Rubio did surprise me a bit. Thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com...

Rubio has also been endorsed by Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania

https://marcorubio.com...

And more importantly Rubio was endorsed by Tim Scott of South Carolina, the state next in line after New Hampshire

http://www.nbcnews.com...

I think Rubio is going to pull away as the candidate for the moderates in this one
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2/4/2016 1:12:32 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/4/2016 1:11:47 AM, imabench wrote:
At 2/4/2016 12:59:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His dropping out isn't a shocker. His endorsing Rubio did surprise me a bit. Thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com...

Rubio has also been endorsed by Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania

https://marcorubio.com...

And more importantly Rubio was endorsed by Tim Scott of South Carolina, the state next in line after New Hampshire

http://www.nbcnews.com...

I think Rubio is going to pull away as the candidate for the moderates in this one

It's dangerous for Trump. Trump must reverse the narrative for him to continue to be viable.
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2/4/2016 1:14:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/4/2016 1:12:32 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/4/2016 1:11:47 AM, imabench wrote:
At 2/4/2016 12:59:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His dropping out isn't a shocker. His endorsing Rubio did surprise me a bit. Thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com...

Rubio has also been endorsed by Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania

https://marcorubio.com...

And more importantly Rubio was endorsed by Tim Scott of South Carolina, the state next in line after New Hampshire

http://www.nbcnews.com...

I think Rubio is going to pull away as the candidate for the moderates in this one

It's dangerous for Trump. Trump must reverse the narrative for him to continue to be viable.

Cruz is a much more dangerous threat to Trump than Rubio is. If Cruz goes down, Trump has a better chance of annexing his voter base, but Rubio is built off of moderate voters who would support anyone BUT trump
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2/4/2016 1:16:08 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/4/2016 1:14:53 AM, imabench wrote:
At 2/4/2016 1:12:32 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/4/2016 1:11:47 AM, imabench wrote:
At 2/4/2016 12:59:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His dropping out isn't a shocker. His endorsing Rubio did surprise me a bit. Thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com...

Rubio has also been endorsed by Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania

https://marcorubio.com...

And more importantly Rubio was endorsed by Tim Scott of South Carolina, the state next in line after New Hampshire

http://www.nbcnews.com...

I think Rubio is going to pull away as the candidate for the moderates in this one

It's dangerous for Trump. Trump must reverse the narrative for him to continue to be viable.

Cruz is a much more dangerous threat to Trump than Rubio is. If Cruz goes down, Trump has a better chance of annexing his voter base, but Rubio is built off of moderate voters who would support anyone BUT trump

I disagree. If you look at the places where Trump and Rubio competed hardest in Iowa, it was in areas with business conservatives. Obviously, both pose a threat, but in different ways. Trump is being hemmed in on both sides.
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2/4/2016 1:24:22 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/4/2016 1:16:08 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/4/2016 1:14:53 AM, imabench wrote:
At 2/4/2016 1:12:32 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 2/4/2016 1:11:47 AM, imabench wrote:
At 2/4/2016 12:59:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His dropping out isn't a shocker. His endorsing Rubio did surprise me a bit. Thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com...

Rubio has also been endorsed by Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania

https://marcorubio.com...

And more importantly Rubio was endorsed by Tim Scott of South Carolina, the state next in line after New Hampshire

http://www.nbcnews.com...

I think Rubio is going to pull away as the candidate for the moderates in this one

It's dangerous for Trump. Trump must reverse the narrative for him to continue to be viable.

Cruz is a much more dangerous threat to Trump than Rubio is. If Cruz goes down, Trump has a better chance of annexing his voter base, but Rubio is built off of moderate voters who would support anyone BUT trump

I disagree. If you look at the places where Trump and Rubio competed hardest in Iowa, it was in areas with business conservatives. Obviously, both pose a threat, but in different ways. Trump is being hemmed in on both sides.

To compete against Rubio for the moderate vote exposes Trump to Cruz, who wants to get the hard right vote. You cant woo moderate votes without hemorrhaging ultra-conservatives, which would be exactly what happens if Trump goes after Rubio

If Trump goes after Cruz though and knocks him out, then Trump has the hard left vote locked up since Carson is flaming out. Then he can go after moderates all he wants since he has no more competition for voters in the field he excels in, the radical right
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2/4/2016 2:30:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I also find it surprising that Santorum endorsed Rubio, but I guess they are both Catholics.

I like Rubio a lot, but his social stances and his foreign policy views both make me pretty wary. Santorum is pretty extreme on social issues, so the fact he is supporting Rubio makes me a little uncomfortable.
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2/4/2016 2:35:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/4/2016 1:11:47 AM, imabench wrote:
At 2/4/2016 12:59:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His dropping out isn't a shocker. His endorsing Rubio did surprise me a bit. Thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com...

Rubio has also been endorsed by Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania

https://marcorubio.com...

And more importantly Rubio was endorsed by Tim Scott of South Carolina, the state next in line after New Hampshire

http://www.nbcnews.com...

Now, these are the endorsements that seem like positive developments/ seem useful.

I think Rubio is going to pull away as the candidate for the moderates in this one
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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2/4/2016 2:43:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/4/2016 2:35:41 AM, Contra wrote:
At 2/4/2016 1:11:47 AM, imabench wrote:
At 2/4/2016 12:59:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His dropping out isn't a shocker. His endorsing Rubio did surprise me a bit. Thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com...

Rubio has also been endorsed by Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania

https://marcorubio.com...

And more importantly Rubio was endorsed by Tim Scott of South Carolina, the state next in line after New Hampshire

http://www.nbcnews.com...

Now, these are the endorsements that seem like positive developments/ seem useful.

The two other big dogs in South Carolina are Senator Graham and Governor Nikky Haley. Graham dropped out already and endorsed Bush, but I dont think anyone noticed or cared..... Nikky though has a far higher profile in the state than Graham, especially now after she delivered the response to the state of the union earlier this year, and she endorsed Romney over Gingrich and Santorum last time around, meaning she'll swing for whichever moderate emerges out of New Hampshire the best

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

I think Rubio is going to pull away as the candidate for the moderates in this one
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2/4/2016 3:09:36 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/4/2016 1:11:47 AM, imabench wrote:
At 2/4/2016 12:59:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His dropping out isn't a shocker. His endorsing Rubio did surprise me a bit. Thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com...

Rubio has also been endorsed by Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania

https://marcorubio.com...

And more importantly Rubio was endorsed by Tim Scott of South Carolina, the state next in line after New Hampshire

http://www.nbcnews.com...

I think Rubio is going to pull away as the candidate for the moderates in this one

How are Santorum supporters moderate?
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2/4/2016 3:20:12 AM
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At 2/4/2016 3:09:36 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/4/2016 1:11:47 AM, imabench wrote:
At 2/4/2016 12:59:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His dropping out isn't a shocker. His endorsing Rubio did surprise me a bit. Thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com...

Rubio has also been endorsed by Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania

https://marcorubio.com...

And more importantly Rubio was endorsed by Tim Scott of South Carolina, the state next in line after New Hampshire

http://www.nbcnews.com...

I think Rubio is going to pull away as the candidate for the moderates in this one

How are Santorum supporters moderate?

Theyre not, but with endorsements like these, Rubio looks like he'll outlast Bush, Christie, and Kasich with the momentum he is getting to become the candidate for moderate-leaning voters.
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2/4/2016 3:51:49 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/4/2016 12:59:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His dropping out isn't a shocker. His endorsing Rubio did surprise me a bit. Thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com...

He is an asswhole. That is the extent of my thoughts
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2/4/2016 4:48:34 AM
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At 2/4/2016 12:59:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His dropping out isn't a shocker. His endorsing Rubio did surprise me a bit. Thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com...

It's not really shocking. He agrees closest with Rubio on foreign policy and Rubio is very credible on social conservative issues.
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2/4/2016 4:50:57 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/4/2016 1:11:47 AM, imabench wrote:
At 2/4/2016 12:59:28 AM, bsh1 wrote:
His dropping out isn't a shocker. His endorsing Rubio did surprise me a bit. Thoughts?

https://www.yahoo.com...

Rubio has also been endorsed by Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania

https://marcorubio.com...

And more importantly Rubio was endorsed by Tim Scott of South Carolina, the state next in line after New Hampshire

http://www.nbcnews.com...

I think Rubio is going to pull away as the candidate for the moderates in this one

Actually, according to exit polls Trump won moderates, Rubio won somewhat conservatives, and Cruz won very conservatives. In reality, Rubio is square in the middle of the GOP ideology-wise - Cruz appeals to the more conservative end, and Trump's populism pretty much only appeals to moderates, paleocons, and conservative Democrats.
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2/4/2016 1:38:17 PM
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I called it in the other thread.
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