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Blade-of-Truth
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2/8/2016 7:46:35 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
I like the guy, I really do - but when it comes to the Appeal to Authority fallacy, he takes the cake.
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Mikal
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2/8/2016 8:17:47 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/8/2016 7:58:19 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 2/8/2016 7:46:35 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
I like the guy, I really do - but when it comes to the Appeal to Authority fallacy, he takes the cake.

Why do you like him?

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2/8/2016 8:58:01 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/8/2016 7:58:19 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 2/8/2016 7:46:35 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
I like the guy, I really do - but when it comes to the Appeal to Authority fallacy, he takes the cake.

Why do you like him?

Basically same response as Mikal, he's entertaining to watch. I'm not a particular fan of any of the nominees at this moment - on either side of the aisle - in regards to presidential choices.

Here's how I'm playing it if these are the choices come V-day:

Trump > Hillary
Sanders > Trump

Why would I vote Trump over Hillary?

Real simple, I despise her - I despise who she's getting contributions from - I despise her comments from the latest debate - I despise her performance as Secretary of State - I do not trust her loyalty to the American people over the International private interests and governments funding her campaign. So Bill flew her around the world a couple times to please her after getting busted publicly, big deal. Her shining lead over the pack in terms of international exposure and experience doesn't outweigh her misdoings in my opinion.

I also despise her as a woman. She chose to stick with a serial cheater wayyyy before the whitehouse. They barely sleep together, or even at the same house, and ultimately the only reason she didn't file for divorce is because her allegiance to him is her ticket in. That is not a strong woman, that is a leech. She is like one of those fish that stick to whales trying to feast on the leftover guts that spill out of the whales mouth. The only reason she wants the Presidency is to accomplish her own goals and agenda, not for the people. She will never respect the people because she can't even respect herself as a woman.

I have no issue with a woman as President, but I will never vote for a woman like Hillary.

Why vote for Sanders over Trump?

Because I'm not sold that his socialistic views would cripple our economy or destroy our capitalistic way of life. I think he is a wise man, with alot of years of experience. The way he has handled Clinton, who by all means was the DNC poster child this cycle, is excellent and I like his clear and emotionally vested responses because it shows that he actually cares. I don't get the sense of "fakeness" everytime I hear him speak, unlike Hillary. I think he would do our nation good, and would probably do a better job than Trump, although I don't know much about his international policies since I've yet to watch any DNC debates until it gets down to just those two (as it will in time and like their 1 on 1 the other night).
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2/8/2016 9:06:01 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
I think people misunderstand when people say they like him. You can like someone without wanting them elected. I would never vote for him, but I only watch the debate because he is in them
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2/8/2016 9:07:20 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/8/2016 8:58:01 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 2/8/2016 7:58:19 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 2/8/2016 7:46:35 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
I like the guy, I really do - but when it comes to the Appeal to Authority fallacy, he takes the cake.

Why do you like him?

Basically same response as Mikal, he's entertaining to watch. I'm not a particular fan of any of the nominees at this moment - on either side of the aisle - in regards to presidential choices.

Here's how I'm playing it if these are the choices come V-day:

Trump > Hillary
Sanders > Trump

Why would I vote Trump over Hillary?

Real simple, I despise her - I despise who she's getting contributions from - I despise her comments from the latest debate - I despise her performance as Secretary of State - I do not trust her loyalty to the American people over the International private interests and governments funding her campaign. So Bill flew her around the world a couple times to please her after getting busted publicly, big deal. Her shining lead over the pack in terms of international exposure and experience doesn't outweigh her misdoings in my opinion.

I also despise her as a woman. She chose to stick with a serial cheater wayyyy before the whitehouse. They barely sleep together, or even at the same house, and ultimately the only reason she didn't file for divorce is because her allegiance to him is her ticket in. That is not a strong woman, that is a leech. She is like one of those fish that stick to whales trying to feast on the leftover guts that spill out of the whales mouth. The only reason she wants the Presidency is to accomplish her own goals and agenda, not for the people. She will never respect the people because she can't even respect herself as a woman.

I have no issue with a woman as President, but I will never vote for a woman like Hillary.

I'm curious why you wouldn't make the more obvious decision not to vote at all. If it's a vote of conscience, which it almost certainly appears to be, it's difficult to picture giving your earnest sanction to Trump.

Why vote for Sanders over Trump?

Because I'm not sold that his socialistic views would cripple our economy or destroy our capitalistic way of life. I think he is a wise man, with alot of years of experience. The way he has handled Clinton, who by all means was the DNC poster child this cycle, is excellent and I like his clear and emotionally vested responses because it shows that he actually cares. I don't get the sense of "fakeness" everytime I hear him speak, unlike Hillary. I think he would do our nation good, and would probably do a better job than Trump, although I don't know much about his international policies since I've yet to watch any DNC debates until it gets down to just those two (as it will in time and like their 1 on 1 the other night).
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2/8/2016 9:30:32 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/8/2016 9:07:20 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 2/8/2016 8:58:01 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
At 2/8/2016 7:58:19 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 2/8/2016 7:46:35 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
I like the guy, I really do - but when it comes to the Appeal to Authority fallacy, he takes the cake.

Why do you like him?

Basically same response as Mikal, he's entertaining to watch. I'm not a particular fan of any of the nominees at this moment - on either side of the aisle - in regards to presidential choices.

Here's how I'm playing it if these are the choices come V-day:

Trump > Hillary
Sanders > Trump

Why would I vote Trump over Hillary?

Real simple, I despise her - I despise who she's getting contributions from - I despise her comments from the latest debate - I despise her performance as Secretary of State - I do not trust her loyalty to the American people over the International private interests and governments funding her campaign. So Bill flew her around the world a couple times to please her after getting busted publicly, big deal. Her shining lead over the pack in terms of international exposure and experience doesn't outweigh her misdoings in my opinion.

I also despise her as a woman. She chose to stick with a serial cheater wayyyy before the whitehouse. They barely sleep together, or even at the same house, and ultimately the only reason she didn't file for divorce is because her allegiance to him is her ticket in. That is not a strong woman, that is a leech. She is like one of those fish that stick to whales trying to feast on the leftover guts that spill out of the whales mouth. The only reason she wants the Presidency is to accomplish her own goals and agenda, not for the people. She will never respect the people because she can't even respect herself as a woman.

I have no issue with a woman as President, but I will never vote for a woman like Hillary.

I'm curious why you wouldn't make the more obvious decision not to vote at all. If it's a vote of conscience, which it almost certainly appears to be, it's difficult to picture giving your earnest sanction to Trump.

I actually do agree with alot of what trump is saying. I agree with him on immigration (albeit the wall is dumb, see: tunnels), I agree with him on schooling, increase in military might, refugees, and several other social policies. He actually acknowledges our weaknesses as a nation, just puts them all out there on the table, and I really like that about him because only once we recognize an issue can we truly begin to fix it.

The thing is, he hasn't produced any real plans of action in regards to the hard questions and international conflicts. I've yet to see him have that 'Carly Fiorina' moment in a debate where he's asked what his plan would be and then he breaks it down in 4 easy-to-follow steps right there for everyone to know. I would legitimately vote for Trump, over any other republican candidate at this time, if and only if he presents some real plans of action in regards to the more pressing military and international issues.

With that said, if that doesn't come to pass, I will most likely abstain from voting - just as I did in the last election with Obama and Romney. I have never been one to vote for the 'lesser of two evils' as so many people put it, because I will not have international and domestic blood on my hands when the commander in chief carries out poor policies or commits poor actions that I saw coming under their leadership.

To be fair, I do also like Bush and feel bad for the guy because this just wasn't his time (same with Rand Paul). I also liked Rubio up until this most recent debate on Saturday... Christie flushed him out brilliantly. Never liked Cruz (total sociopath), and I think Kasich just needs to step down and be given a position that oversee's the federal budget because he will like balance it sooooo well (lol). Carson is... Carson - I like him, but I feel like there is so much behind the curtain that he is just keeping in. He's smart though, and I wouldn't have an issue with him gaining the nomination, albeit I'd need to look more into him before making an educated decision.
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2/8/2016 9:40:26 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/8/2016 8:58:01 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Trump > Hillary
Sanders > Trump

Why would I vote Trump over Hillary?

I read what you wrote, but aren't you also concerned about policy over character?
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2/9/2016 1:33:59 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/8/2016 8:17:47 PM, Mikal wrote:
At 2/8/2016 7:58:19 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:
At 2/8/2016 7:46:35 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
I like the guy, I really do - but when it comes to the Appeal to Authority fallacy, he takes the cake.

Why do you like him?

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And his hair! :P
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2/9/2016 4:43:31 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/8/2016 9:40:26 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 2/8/2016 8:58:01 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
Trump > Hillary
Sanders > Trump

Why would I vote Trump over Hillary?

I read what you wrote, but aren't you also concerned about policy over character?

I agree with most of Trump's policies, but hold serious reservations regarding the ones he's yet to disclose or expand on.
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