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Geogeer
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2/11/2016 7:24:48 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
If one goes to their home page https://www.plannedparenthood.org... this is what they say about abortion:

Abortion is a safe way to end a pregnancy.

yet if I go to previous literature they have published http://www.debate.org... I find this:

An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make your sterile so that when you want a child you cannot have it.

So does it end a pregnancy or does it kill the life of a baby? Is it safe or is it dangerous? At very best they are being duplicitous, at very worst they are liars who will say anything to get women's money.
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2/11/2016 8:30:20 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/11/2016 7:24:48 PM, Geogeer wrote:
If one goes to their home page https://www.plannedparenthood.org... this is what they say about abortion:

Abortion is a safe way to end a pregnancy.

yet if I go to previous literature they have published http://www.debate.org... I find this:

An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make your sterile so that when you want a child you cannot have it.

So does it end a pregnancy or does it kill the life of a baby? Is it safe or is it dangerous? At very best they are being duplicitous, at very worst they are liars who will say anything to get women's money.

Show me where pp said that crap.
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2/11/2016 8:37:32 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/11/2016 8:30:20 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/11/2016 7:24:48 PM, Geogeer wrote:
If one goes to their home page https://www.plannedparenthood.org... this is what they say about abortion:

Abortion is a safe way to end a pregnancy.

yet if I go to previous literature they have published http://www.debate.org... I find this:

An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make your sterile so that when you want a child you cannot have it.

So does it end a pregnancy or does it kill the life of a baby? Is it safe or is it dangerous? At very best they are being duplicitous, at very worst they are liars who will say anything to get women's money.

Show me where pp said that crap.

I posted it. It was a 1964 ad for contraception.

http://www.freerepublic.com...

Before they knew they would be able to legally do abortions they used this brochure. Apparently once they found out they could make money "killing the life of babies" it became the termination of pregnancy.

Say and do anything to make money.
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2/11/2016 8:50:59 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/11/2016 8:37:32 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 2/11/2016 8:30:20 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/11/2016 7:24:48 PM, Geogeer wrote:
If one goes to their home page https://www.plannedparenthood.org... this is what they say about abortion:

Abortion is a safe way to end a pregnancy.

yet if I go to previous literature they have published http://www.debate.org... I find this:

An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make your sterile so that when you want a child you cannot have it.

So does it end a pregnancy or does it kill the life of a baby? Is it safe or is it dangerous? At very best they are being duplicitous, at very worst they are liars who will say anything to get women's money.

Show me where pp said that crap.

I posted it. It was a 1964 ad for contraception.

http://www.freerepublic.com...

Before they knew they would be able to legally do abortions they used this brochure. Apparently once they found out they could make money "killing the life of babies" it became the termination of pregnancy.

Say and do anything to make money.

A brochure discussing the damage from illegal abortion (read gruesome) is so not the same. You posting this Is about the most dishonest thing I have seen! During probation women were dropping dead from the crap procedure they were left with due to the fools who that a law would do anything. This is an argument FOR legal safe abortion. Good lord man, do you think pro-choice is kidding about the terrible state of women health risk before legalization?
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2/11/2016 8:54:32 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/11/2016 8:50:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/11/2016 8:37:32 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 2/11/2016 8:30:20 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/11/2016 7:24:48 PM, Geogeer wrote:
If one goes to their home page https://www.plannedparenthood.org... this is what they say about abortion:

Abortion is a safe way to end a pregnancy.

yet if I go to previous literature they have published http://www.debate.org... I find this:

An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make your sterile so that when you want a child you cannot have it.

So does it end a pregnancy or does it kill the life of a baby? Is it safe or is it dangerous? At very best they are being duplicitous, at very worst they are liars who will say anything to get women's money.

Show me where pp said that crap.

I posted it. It was a 1964 ad for contraception.

http://www.freerepublic.com...

Before they knew they would be able to legally do abortions they used this brochure. Apparently once they found out they could make money "killing the life of babies" it became the termination of pregnancy.

Say and do anything to make money.

A brochure discussing the damage from illegal abortion (read gruesome) is so not the same. You posting this Is about the most dishonest thing I have seen! During probation women were dropping dead from the crap procedure they were left with due to the fools who that a law would do anything. This is an argument FOR legal safe abortion. Good lord man, do you think pro-choice is kidding about the terrible state of women health risk before legalization?

So there is no danger to the woman?
There is no risk of sterilization?
And when did PP learn that it wasn't killing the life of a baby after it has begun?
TBR
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2/11/2016 9:01:47 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/11/2016 8:54:32 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 2/11/2016 8:50:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/11/2016 8:37:32 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 2/11/2016 8:30:20 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/11/2016 7:24:48 PM, Geogeer wrote:
If one goes to their home page https://www.plannedparenthood.org... this is what they say about abortion:

Abortion is a safe way to end a pregnancy.

yet if I go to previous literature they have published http://www.debate.org... I find this:

An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make your sterile so that when you want a child you cannot have it.

So does it end a pregnancy or does it kill the life of a baby? Is it safe or is it dangerous? At very best they are being duplicitous, at very worst they are liars who will say anything to get women's money.

Show me where pp said that crap.

I posted it. It was a 1964 ad for contraception.

http://www.freerepublic.com...

Before they knew they would be able to legally do abortions they used this brochure. Apparently once they found out they could make money "killing the life of babies" it became the termination of pregnancy.

Say and do anything to make money.

A brochure discussing the damage from illegal abortion (read gruesome) is so not the same. You posting this Is about the most dishonest thing I have seen! During probation women were dropping dead from the crap procedure they were left with due to the fools who that a law would do anything. This is an argument FOR legal safe abortion. Good lord man, do you think pro-choice is kidding about the terrible state of women health risk before legalization?

So there is no danger to the woman?
There is no risk of sterilization?
And when did PP learn that it wasn't killing the life of a baby after it has begun?

I have nothing more to say to this other than I truly find is despicable that you think this, a brochure discussing a health concern brought on by the very laws you. WANT passed is somehow anything other than disgusting.
Geogeer
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2/11/2016 9:14:33 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/11/2016 9:01:47 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/11/2016 8:54:32 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 2/11/2016 8:50:59 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/11/2016 8:37:32 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 2/11/2016 8:30:20 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/11/2016 7:24:48 PM, Geogeer wrote:
If one goes to their home page https://www.plannedparenthood.org... this is what they say about abortion:

Abortion is a safe way to end a pregnancy.

yet if I go to previous literature they have published http://www.debate.org... I find this:

An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make your sterile so that when you want a child you cannot have it.

So does it end a pregnancy or does it kill the life of a baby? Is it safe or is it dangerous? At very best they are being duplicitous, at very worst they are liars who will say anything to get women's money.

Show me where pp said that crap.

I posted it. It was a 1964 ad for contraception.

http://www.freerepublic.com...

Before they knew they would be able to legally do abortions they used this brochure. Apparently once they found out they could make money "killing the life of babies" it became the termination of pregnancy.

Say and do anything to make money.

A brochure discussing the damage from illegal abortion (read gruesome) is so not the same. You posting this Is about the most dishonest thing I have seen! During probation women were dropping dead from the crap procedure they were left with due to the fools who that a law would do anything. This is an argument FOR legal safe abortion. Good lord man, do you think pro-choice is kidding about the terrible state of women health risk before legalization?

So there is no danger to the woman?
There is no risk of sterilization?
And when did PP learn that it wasn't killing the life of a baby after it has begun?

I have nothing more to say to this other than I truly find is despicable that you think this, a brochure discussing a health concern brought on by the very laws you. WANT passed is somehow anything other than disgusting.

Nothing of the sort. This was an add to promote contraception. It states that an abortion "kills the life of a baby after it has begun".

These are unforced words from Planned Parenthood before they could make money off of abortion. So abortion didn't kill the life of a baby after it has begun once they could do it in better conditions? Really? That is going to be your best argument?
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2/11/2016 9:18:45 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/11/2016 7:24:48 PM, Geogeer wrote:
If one goes to their home page https://www.plannedparenthood.org... this is what they say about abortion:

Abortion is a safe way to end a pregnancy.

yet if I go to previous literature they have published http://www.debate.org... I find this:

An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make your sterile so that when you want a child you cannot have it.

So does it end a pregnancy or does it kill the life of a baby? Is it safe or is it dangerous? At very best they are being duplicitous, at very worst they are liars who will say anything to get women's money.

You are using an old article that does not describe the current policies and beliefs of modern times. Given the development of technology, it is rather safe to end an pregnancy through abortion given some risks regardless of how small they can be. Everybody biological body is different and in all medical procedures that I know of, the doctors will go over the possible risks that a patient might face that is specific to them.

I don't know how Planned Parenthood is being duplicitous when most of their services are not even abortion related. They have to use their resources that is not paid for by the government so it makes sense to charge the woman for it. Keep in mind that the woman would have to consider the cost of raising a child and that cost is exponentially greater than the abortion service fee.

I don't know how Planned Parenthood is lying when they are generalizing the risk of the procedures. LASIK is considered a safe procedure, but it is dangerous for me and the several consultations revealed this since I have thin corneas, which is outside the norm of most people. This means that the specific procedures is not for me when I want 20/20 vision and that I should consider other procedures, wait for better technology, or just use contacts or glasses.

In terms of morality, that is a different story and your premises is not relevant to conclude anything.
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2/11/2016 9:23:13 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/11/2016 9:18:45 PM, geho89 wrote:
At 2/11/2016 7:24:48 PM, Geogeer wrote:
If one goes to their home page https://www.plannedparenthood.org... this is what they say about abortion:

Abortion is a safe way to end a pregnancy.

yet if I go to previous literature they have published http://www.debate.org... I find this:

An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make your sterile so that when you want a child you cannot have it.

So does it end a pregnancy or does it kill the life of a baby? Is it safe or is it dangerous? At very best they are being duplicitous, at very worst they are liars who will say anything to get women's money.

You are using an old article that does not describe the current policies and beliefs of modern times. Given the development of technology, it is rather safe to end an pregnancy through abortion given some risks regardless of how small they can be. Everybody biological body is different and in all medical procedures that I know of, the doctors will go over the possible risks that a patient might face that is specific to them.

I don't know how Planned Parenthood is being duplicitous when most of their services are not even abortion related. They have to use their resources that is not paid for by the government so it makes sense to charge the woman for it. Keep in mind that the woman would have to consider the cost of raising a child and that cost is exponentially greater than the abortion service fee.

I don't know how Planned Parenthood is lying when they are generalizing the risk of the procedures. LASIK is considered a safe procedure, but it is dangerous for me and the several consultations revealed this since I have thin corneas, which is outside the norm of most people. This means that the specific procedures is not for me when I want 20/20 vision and that I should consider other procedures, wait for better technology, or just use contacts or glasses.

In terms of morality, that is a different story and your premises is not relevant to conclude anything.

This is not about the relative safety of procedures. Every medical procedure is safer now than it was before. It is the fact that PP said that "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun" is the hypocrisy that I'm pointing out. What did PP learn between now and then that changed that opinion?
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2/11/2016 9:51:38 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/11/2016 9:23:13 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 2/11/2016 9:18:45 PM, geho89 wrote:
At 2/11/2016 7:24:48 PM, Geogeer wrote:
If one goes to their home page https://www.plannedparenthood.org... this is what they say about abortion:

Abortion is a safe way to end a pregnancy.

yet if I go to previous literature they have published http://www.debate.org... I find this:

An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make your sterile so that when you want a child you cannot have it.

So does it end a pregnancy or does it kill the life of a baby? Is it safe or is it dangerous? At very best they are being duplicitous, at very worst they are liars who will say anything to get women's money.

You are using an old article that does not describe the current policies and beliefs of modern times. Given the development of technology, it is rather safe to end an pregnancy through abortion given some risks regardless of how small they can be. Everybody biological body is different and in all medical procedures that I know of, the doctors will go over the possible risks that a patient might face that is specific to them.

I don't know how Planned Parenthood is being duplicitous when most of their services are not even abortion related. They have to use their resources that is not paid for by the government so it makes sense to charge the woman for it. Keep in mind that the woman would have to consider the cost of raising a child and that cost is exponentially greater than the abortion service fee.

I don't know how Planned Parenthood is lying when they are generalizing the risk of the procedures. LASIK is considered a safe procedure, but it is dangerous for me and the several consultations revealed this since I have thin corneas, which is outside the norm of most people. This means that the specific procedures is not for me when I want 20/20 vision and that I should consider other procedures, wait for better technology, or just use contacts or glasses.

In terms of morality, that is a different story and your premises is not relevant to conclude anything.


This is not about the relative safety of procedures. Every medical procedure is safer now than it was before. It is the fact that PP said that "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun" is the hypocrisy that I'm pointing out. What did PP learn between now and then that changed that opinion?

Okay, I was just unclear on what you were implying. I cannot speak on behalf of PP since I don't even work there and I am not even a certified doctor with the expertise so you are asking the wrong audience since the likelihood of a person working at PP and noticing your post on this site is quite small. I am not even convinced that the same person wrote the article you presented and the website definition so there might be some discrepancy. Maybe you should call or email PP if it bothers you? I can provide you some facts and my opinions though.

I am still unclear on what period of the trimester the abortion is taking place since it varies between individuals and the doctor who makes the decision as well as the state that the clinic resides in. Different doctors have different beliefs and different states have different laws. If you are that interested, then perhaps you can contact your local PP to provide you more details.

Most of the abortions in the US is done within the first trimester or within 12 weeks of pregnancy where the fetus is not considered a person. A main Supreme Court decision is Roe v. Wade to determine the legally of abortion. In this sense, since the fetus is not a person, or in other words, a baby, then it is not technically correct to say that the action is killing a life since it is irrational to say that one can kill a non-life. This is where the debate begins on when life begins.
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2/11/2016 9:57:00 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/11/2016 9:51:38 PM, geho89 wrote:
At 2/11/2016 9:23:13 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 2/11/2016 9:18:45 PM, geho89 wrote:
At 2/11/2016 7:24:48 PM, Geogeer wrote:
If one goes to their home page https://www.plannedparenthood.org... this is what they say about abortion:

Abortion is a safe way to end a pregnancy.

yet if I go to previous literature they have published http://www.debate.org... I find this:

An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make your sterile so that when you want a child you cannot have it.

So does it end a pregnancy or does it kill the life of a baby? Is it safe or is it dangerous? At very best they are being duplicitous, at very worst they are liars who will say anything to get women's money.

You are using an old article that does not describe the current policies and beliefs of modern times. Given the development of technology, it is rather safe to end an pregnancy through abortion given some risks regardless of how small they can be. Everybody biological body is different and in all medical procedures that I know of, the doctors will go over the possible risks that a patient might face that is specific to them.

I don't know how Planned Parenthood is being duplicitous when most of their services are not even abortion related. They have to use their resources that is not paid for by the government so it makes sense to charge the woman for it. Keep in mind that the woman would have to consider the cost of raising a child and that cost is exponentially greater than the abortion service fee.

I don't know how Planned Parenthood is lying when they are generalizing the risk of the procedures. LASIK is considered a safe procedure, but it is dangerous for me and the several consultations revealed this since I have thin corneas, which is outside the norm of most people. This means that the specific procedures is not for me when I want 20/20 vision and that I should consider other procedures, wait for better technology, or just use contacts or glasses.

In terms of morality, that is a different story and your premises is not relevant to conclude anything.


This is not about the relative safety of procedures. Every medical procedure is safer now than it was before. It is the fact that PP said that "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun" is the hypocrisy that I'm pointing out. What did PP learn between now and then that changed that opinion?

Okay, I was just unclear on what you were implying. I cannot speak on behalf of PP since I don't even work there and I am not even a certified doctor with the expertise so you are asking the wrong audience since the likelihood of a person working at PP and noticing your post on this site is quite small. I am not even convinced that the same person wrote the article you presented and the website definition so there might be some discrepancy. Maybe you should call or email PP if it bothers you? I can provide you some facts and my opinions though.

I am still unclear on what period of the trimester the abortion is taking place since it varies between individuals and the doctor who makes the decision as well as the state that the clinic resides in. Different doctors have different beliefs and different states have different laws. If you are that interested, then perhaps you can contact your local PP to provide you more details.

Most of the abortions in the US is done within the first trimester or within 12 weeks of pregnancy where the fetus is not considered a person. A main Supreme Court decision is Roe v. Wade to determine the legally of abortion. In this sense, since the fetus is not a person, or in other words, a baby, then it is not technically correct to say that the action is killing a life since it is irrational to say that one can kill a non-life. This is where the debate begins on when life begins.

So the summation of your argument is that science and truth are dictated by judicial decisions in the same way as the Dred Scot laws approved of slavery?
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2/11/2016 10:21:44 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/11/2016 9:57:00 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 2/11/2016 9:51:38 PM, geho89 wrote:
At 2/11/2016 9:23:13 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 2/11/2016 9:18:45 PM, geho89 wrote:
At 2/11/2016 7:24:48 PM, Geogeer wrote:
If one goes to their home page https://www.plannedparenthood.org... this is what they say about abortion:

Abortion is a safe way to end a pregnancy.

yet if I go to previous literature they have published http://www.debate.org... I find this:

An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make your sterile so that when you want a child you cannot have it.

So does it end a pregnancy or does it kill the life of a baby? Is it safe or is it dangerous? At very best they are being duplicitous, at very worst they are liars who will say anything to get women's money.

You are using an old article that does not describe the current policies and beliefs of modern times. Given the development of technology, it is rather safe to end an pregnancy through abortion given some risks regardless of how small they can be. Everybody biological body is different and in all medical procedures that I know of, the doctors will go over the possible risks that a patient might face that is specific to them.

I don't know how Planned Parenthood is being duplicitous when most of their services are not even abortion related. They have to use their resources that is not paid for by the government so it makes sense to charge the woman for it. Keep in mind that the woman would have to consider the cost of raising a child and that cost is exponentially greater than the abortion service fee.

I don't know how Planned Parenthood is lying when they are generalizing the risk of the procedures. LASIK is considered a safe procedure, but it is dangerous for me and the several consultations revealed this since I have thin corneas, which is outside the norm of most people. This means that the specific procedures is not for me when I want 20/20 vision and that I should consider other procedures, wait for better technology, or just use contacts or glasses.

In terms of morality, that is a different story and your premises is not relevant to conclude anything.


This is not about the relative safety of procedures. Every medical procedure is safer now than it was before. It is the fact that PP said that "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun" is the hypocrisy that I'm pointing out. What did PP learn between now and then that changed that opinion?

Okay, I was just unclear on what you were implying. I cannot speak on behalf of PP since I don't even work there and I am not even a certified doctor with the expertise so you are asking the wrong audience since the likelihood of a person working at PP and noticing your post on this site is quite small. I am not even convinced that the same person wrote the article you presented and the website definition so there might be some discrepancy. Maybe you should call or email PP if it bothers you? I can provide you some facts and my opinions though.

I am still unclear on what period of the trimester the abortion is taking place since it varies between individuals and the doctor who makes the decision as well as the state that the clinic resides in. Different doctors have different beliefs and different states have different laws. If you are that interested, then perhaps you can contact your local PP to provide you more details.

Most of the abortions in the US is done within the first trimester or within 12 weeks of pregnancy where the fetus is not considered a person. A main Supreme Court decision is Roe v. Wade to determine the legally of abortion. In this sense, since the fetus is not a person, or in other words, a baby, then it is not technically correct to say that the action is killing a life since it is irrational to say that one can kill a non-life. This is where the debate begins on when life begins.

So the summation of your argument is that science and truth are dictated by judicial decisions in the same way as the Dred Scot laws approved of slavery?

Those are the premises I used so that we can at least have some foundations on what we are discussing. I did not conclude anything like "science and truth are dictated by judicial decisions" based on my premises. It is the case that the Supreme Court ruled in favor of abortion in Roe v. Wade where it is legal within a point in time, the embryo, which is the correct term, does not have a right as a person. No where did I say that I support this decision or presented any opinion. It is the case that science has determined an expected general development of the embryo into a fetus, and eventually a baby, on a weekly basis. If you want to argue on what life is, then that will be a different topic, but I thought the focus was on what PP presented.

I don't have too much background knowledge on what I assume is the Dred Scott v. Sandford with a quick search that you are referring to so perhaps you can explain how they used science to determine this case?
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2/11/2016 11:42:25 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/11/2016 9:57:00 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 2/11/2016 9:51:38 PM, geho89 wrote:
At 2/11/2016 9:23:13 PM, Geogeer wrote:
At 2/11/2016 9:18:45 PM, geho89 wrote:
At 2/11/2016 7:24:48 PM, Geogeer wrote:
If one goes to their home page https://www.plannedparenthood.org... this is what they say about abortion:

Abortion is a safe way to end a pregnancy.

yet if I go to previous literature they have published http://www.debate.org... I find this:

An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun. It is dangerous to your life and health. It may make your sterile so that when you want a child you cannot have it.

So does it end a pregnancy or does it kill the life of a baby? Is it safe or is it dangerous? At very best they are being duplicitous, at very worst they are liars who will say anything to get women's money.

You are using an old article that does not describe the current policies and beliefs of modern times. Given the development of technology, it is rather safe to end an pregnancy through abortion given some risks regardless of how small they can be. Everybody biological body is different and in all medical procedures that I know of, the doctors will go over the possible risks that a patient might face that is specific to them.

I don't know how Planned Parenthood is being duplicitous when most of their services are not even abortion related. They have to use their resources that is not paid for by the government so it makes sense to charge the woman for it. Keep in mind that the woman would have to consider the cost of raising a child and that cost is exponentially greater than the abortion service fee.

I don't know how Planned Parenthood is lying when they are generalizing the risk of the procedures. LASIK is considered a safe procedure, but it is dangerous for me and the several consultations revealed this since I have thin corneas, which is outside the norm of most people. This means that the specific procedures is not for me when I want 20/20 vision and that I should consider other procedures, wait for better technology, or just use contacts or glasses.

In terms of morality, that is a different story and your premises is not relevant to conclude anything.


This is not about the relative safety of procedures. Every medical procedure is safer now than it was before. It is the fact that PP said that "An abortion kills the life of a baby after it has begun" is the hypocrisy that I'm pointing out. What did PP learn between now and then that changed that opinion?

Okay, I was just unclear on what you were implying. I cannot speak on behalf of PP since I don't even work there and I am not even a certified doctor with the expertise so you are asking the wrong audience since the likelihood of a person working at PP and noticing your post on this site is quite small. I am not even convinced that the same person wrote the article you presented and the website definition so there might be some discrepancy. Maybe you should call or email PP if it bothers you? I can provide you some facts and my opinions though.

I am still unclear on what period of the trimester the abortion is taking place since it varies between individuals and the doctor who makes the decision as well as the state that the clinic resides in. Different doctors have different beliefs and different states have different laws. If you are that interested, then perhaps you can contact your local PP to provide you more details.

Most of the abortions in the US is done within the first trimester or within 12 weeks of pregnancy where the fetus is not considered a person. A main Supreme Court decision is Roe v. Wade to determine the legally of abortion. In this sense, since the fetus is not a person, or in other words, a baby, then it is not technically correct to say that the action is killing a life since it is irrational to say that one can kill a non-life. This is where the debate begins on when life begins.

So the summation of your argument is that science and truth are dictated by judicial decisions in the same way as the Dred Scot laws approved of slavery?

I can summarize your argument just fine:

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FYI you're a total liar.