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2/12/2016 1:19:12 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
1. President Obama and Senate Democrats are willing to shut down the federal government to ensure tax dollars keep flowing to one of their biggest political allies. Both times President Obama ran for president, Planned Parenthood Action Fund was quick to endorse him as a "champion for women"s health." The 2012 election cycle marks only the third time in their history that they endorsed in a presidential election.[i] They poured money into his campaign and churned out volunteers. Imagine the reaction if a Republican president was willing to shut down the government in order to prevent a single organization from sharing one penny in the belt-tightening all Americans are facing.

2. Planned Parenthood is an independently wealthy entity. According to its latest annual report, it has over one billion dollars in net assets.[ii] In 2014 alone, data shows that Planned Parenthood"s revenue has exceeded their expenses by over $90 million.[iii]

3. Planned Parenthood is America"s largest abortion provider. "Roughly one out of every four abortions in America" is carried out in a Planned Parenthood facility. [iv] Data shows that since 1970, Planned Parenthood has performed more than 6 million abortions. [v] In 2013 alone, Planned Parenthood performed a record 357,653 abortions.[vi]

4. Planned Parenthood"s business model is centered on abortion. Former Planned Parenthood clinic director Abby Johnson has written that she was given an abortion quota, and was even told by her superiors to "double the number of abortions" in order to bring in more revenue.[vii] Abortion patients constitute 12 percent of Planned Parenthood clients " 332,000 of 3 million unduplicated clients in its most current report. 37 percent of all Planned Parenthood clinic income revenue is from abortion procedures, according to conservative estimates. Planned Parenthood has issued a directive instructing that all affiliates must have at least one clinic that performs abortion by 2013.[viii] According to an NBC news report from December 2012, our of the "74 regional affiliates" a handful of those affiliates chose to leave the organization, rather than comply with the policy. [ix]

5. More taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood equals more abortions, fewer adoption referrals. Claims that taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood results in fewer abortions are false. From 2000 to 2013, taxpayer funding shunted to Planned Parenthood jumped from $202,000,000 in 2000 to $528,400,000 in 2013. In 2000, Planned Parenthood performed 197,070 abortions while making 2,486 adoption referrals. In 2013, they performed 327,653 abortions and made just 1,880 adoption referrals. That means a percent increase in taxpayer funding resulted in a 66 percent increase in the number of abortions and a 61 percent decrease in the number of adoption referrals.[x]

6. Planned Parenthood is not safe for women and young girls. Recent undercover footage released by Lila Rose"s Live Action shows Planned Parenthood employees in several states willing to aid and abet in acknowledged human s sex trafficking of girls as young as 14.[xi] The undercover footage resulted in the firing of Amy Woodruff, manager of the Central New Jersey Planned Parenthood clinic.[xii] It also caused Planned Parenthood to call for mandatory training sessions of thousands of its employees across the country on reporting requirements.[xiii]

7. Planned Parenthood opposes commonsense measures to protect women and underage girls. Planned Parenthood fought vehemently against clinic regulations in Texas.

"The Supreme Court acted Monday to keep Texas" 19 abortion clinics open, amid a legal fight that threatens to close more than half of them. The justices voted 5-4 to grant an emergency appeal from the clinics after a federal appeals court upheld new clinic regulations and refused to keep them on hold while the clinics appealed to the Supreme Court"The court"s decision to block the regulations is a strong indication that the justices will hear the full appeal, which could be the biggest abortion case at the Supreme Court in nearly 25 years.

If the court steps in, the hearing and the eventual ruling would come amid the 2016 presidential campaign. Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas would have allowed the state to move ahead with regulations requiring abortion facilities to be constructed like surgical centers. Doctors at all clinics also would be required to have admitting privileges at a local hospital. The clinics said enforcing the new regulations would lead to a second major wave of clinic closures statewide since the law was enacted in 2013. Texas had 41 abortion clinics in 2012; 19 remain." [xiv]

8. Women have other options for seeking primary care, contraception, STI testing, and cancer screening. According to the Chiaroscuro Foundation, in addition to the tens of thousands of U.S. doctors and hospitals providing this care, there were 1,048 federally qualified health centers in the U.S. which provide women cancer screening, contraception, and STI testing.[xv]

9. Planned Parenthood does not provide mammograms and is not a significant primary care provider to women. Despite claims made by Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards and members of the media, Planned Parenthood does not provide mammograms. They are also not a significant primary care provider in general. In recent reports, Planned Parenthood acknowledges that it provided primary care only to about 19,700 of its 3 million unduplicated clients. These services have been trending downward for years, from 21,247 in 2007 to 20,235 in 2008, to today"s 19,796.[xvi]

10. Polling shows Americans don"t believe efforts to defund Planned Parenthood are extreme. A March 2011 poll conducted by The Hill, before Planned Parenthood became a critical issue in the budget debate, showed that Americans are virtually split in half over whether Planned Parenthood"s funding should be left alone or completely cut. Forty-six percent said it should be left alone; 42 percent said it should be completely cut. The poll has a 3 percent margin of error.[xvii] When asked specifically about taxpayer funding of abortion, polls consistently show a healthy majority of Americans, 60 to 70 percent, oppose their tax dollars funding abortion.[xviii]

11. Planned Parenthood"s founder, Margaret Sanger, was a strong believer in eugenics. Following is just a sampling of her documented beliefs. "In this matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be held up for emulation""[xix] Referring to immigrants and Catholics, she wrote: "[They"re] an unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all."[xx] She also wrote, "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."[xxi] Planned Parenthood is carrying on her legacy today, centering itself on population control efforts. In a recently filed tax return, Planned Parenthood stated as part of their mission statement that they are committed to "a U.S. population of stable size in an optimum environment."[xxii]

12. Planned Parenthood has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of employee time in order to protect its government handout. Planned Parenthood has flooded the airwaves with TV commercials [xxiii] and radio ads[xxiv] in order to protect its funding. Its employees " whose paychecks are subsidized by tax dollars " have participated in bus tours and rallies across the country.[xxv]

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2/12/2016 2:41:04 AM
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At 2/12/2016 2:21:45 AM, Death23 wrote:
Hey look, a bunch of lies.
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2/12/2016 2:44:28 AM
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At 2/12/2016 2:21:45 AM, Death23 wrote:
Hey look, a bunch of lies.

Yea, I was going to reply, then I thought - why not just get drunk instead.
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2/12/2016 3:27:31 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
We don't need planned parenthood.

There's a simple solution: the thigh shaper http://i.ebayimg.com...

We must put one in the hands (or inter-thigh space) of every woman. With this device, our female brethren will be able to cross their legs with inexorable strength.
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2/13/2016 2:06:32 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/12/2016 2:21:45 AM, Death23 wrote:
Hey look, a bunch of lies.
Do you have any proof, or are you just saying that because of your own personal bias against those who fight for the right to life?
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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2/13/2016 2:51:24 AM
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At 2/13/2016 2:06:32 AM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/12/2016 2:21:45 AM, Death23 wrote:
Hey look, a bunch of lies.
Do you have any proof, or are you just saying that because of your own personal bias against those who fight for the right to life?

2. Planned Parenthood is an independently wealthy entity. According to its latest annual report, it has over one billion dollars in net assets.[ii] In 2014 alone, data shows that Planned Parenthood"s revenue has exceeded their expenses by over $90 million.[iii]

Their source ("iii") is this:

https://issuu.com...

Look at the source and navigate to pages 23 & 24.

You will see the following data:

For the fiscal year ended June 30th, 2015, Planned Parenthood & affiliate's total revenue was 1,303.4 million. (pg 23) Of that revenue, 553.7 million came from the government. Total expenses were 1,237.3 million.

First, the difference between total revenue and total expenses was 66.1 million according to this source, not "over $90 million".

Second, when a non-profit organization has roughly half of its expenses covered by the government, I don't see that the organization could survive on its own financially if it weren't for the help of the government. It isn't reasonable to characterize the organization as "an independently wealthy entity" given those figures.
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2/13/2016 5:16:08 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
Now that there is an abortion pill, abortion could be made illegal and the abortions would still happen.
As Mr. Trump has said there are other things that planned parenthood does that make it worth supporting. The case made against Planned Parenthood above could be answered with a case that would make 3 or 4 times as much sense.
If you take into consideration how many fewer white Americans exist now due to planned parenthood's work, I can see why a white supremicist like yourself has an excuse to do whatever he can to avoid paying taxes.
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2/13/2016 4:13:42 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 2:51:24 AM, Death23 wrote:
At 2/13/2016 2:06:32 AM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/12/2016 2:21:45 AM, Death23 wrote:
Hey look, a bunch of lies.
Do you have any proof, or are you just saying that because of your own personal bias against those who fight for the right to life?

2. Planned Parenthood is an independently wealthy entity. According to its latest annual report, it has over one billion dollars in net assets.[ii] In 2014 alone, data shows that Planned Parenthood"s revenue has exceeded their expenses by over $90 million.[iii]

Their source ("iii") is this:

https://issuu.com...

Look at the source and navigate to pages 23 & 24.

You will see the following data:

For the fiscal year ended June 30th, 2015, Planned Parenthood & affiliate's total revenue was 1,303.4 million. (pg 23) Of that revenue, 553.7 million came from the government. Total expenses were 1,237.3 million.

First, the difference between total revenue and total expenses was 66.1 million according to this source, not "over $90 million".

Second, when a non-profit organization has roughly half of its expenses covered by the government, I don't see that the organization could survive on its own financially if it weren't for the help of the government. It isn't reasonable to characterize the organization as "an independently wealthy entity" given those figures.
What a load of nonsense! P.P. can sustain itself. They just need to stop paying Cecile Richards 2.47 million dollars over the course of a few years, stop wasting money on real-estate (they paid $69.6 million for a CONDO, yes, a condo), and stop spending millions on travel and corporate offices.
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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2/13/2016 4:17:57 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 5:16:08 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
Now that there is an abortion pill, abortion could be made illegal and the abortions would still happen.
That's not true, we can stop drugs, just like we can stop abortion pills.
As Mr. Trump has said there are other things that planned parenthood does that make it worth supporting. The case made against Planned Parenthood above could be answered with a case that would make 3 or 4 times as much sense.
Planned Parenthood is the nation's largest abortion provider. They are despicable and quite frankly don't deserve to even exist as a healthcare entity. It's time we shut down this atrocity once and for all.
If you take into consideration how many fewer white Americans exist now due to planned parenthood's work, I can see why a white supremicist like yourself has an excuse to do whatever he can to avoid paying taxes.
A white supremacist? Are you joking? Where are you getting this stuff from? I've never said I was a white supremacist, nor will I ever become one.
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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2/13/2016 4:19:19 PM
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At 2/12/2016 1:19:12 AM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
1. President Obama and Senate Democrats are willing to shut down the federal government to ensure tax dollars keep flowing to one of their biggest political allies. Both times President Obama ran for president, Planned Parenthood Action Fund was quick to endorse him as a "champion for women"s health." The 2012 election cycle marks only the third time in their history that they endorsed in a presidential election.[i] They poured money into his campaign and churned out volunteers. Imagine the reaction if a Republican president was willing to shut down the government in order to prevent a single organization from sharing one penny in the belt-tightening all Americans are facing.

2. Planned Parenthood is an independently wealthy entity. According to its latest annual report, it has over one billion dollars in net assets.[ii] In 2014 alone, data shows that Planned Parenthood"s revenue has exceeded their expenses by over $90 million.[iii]

3. Planned Parenthood is America"s largest abortion provider. "Roughly one out of every four abortions in America" is carried out in a Planned Parenthood facility. [iv] Data shows that since 1970, Planned Parenthood has performed more than 6 million abortions. [v] In 2013 alone, Planned Parenthood performed a record 357,653 abortions.[vi]

4. Planned Parenthood"s business model is centered on abortion. Former Planned Parenthood clinic director Abby Johnson has written that she was given an abortion quota, and was even told by her superiors to "double the number of abortions" in order to bring in more revenue.[vii] Abortion patients constitute 12 percent of Planned Parenthood clients " 332,000 of 3 million unduplicated clients in its most current report. 37 percent of all Planned Parenthood clinic income revenue is from abortion procedures, according to conservative estimates. Planned Parenthood has issued a directive instructing that all affiliates must have at least one clinic that performs abortion by 2013.[viii] According to an NBC news report from December 2012, our of the "74 regional affiliates" a handful of those affiliates chose to leave the organization, rather than comply with the policy. [ix]

5. More taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood equals more abortions, fewer adoption referrals. Claims that taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood results in fewer abortions are false. From 2000 to 2013, taxpayer funding shunted to Planned Parenthood jumped from $202,000,000 in 2000 to $528,400,000 in 2013. In 2000, Planned Parenthood performed 197,070 abortions while making 2,486 adoption referrals. In 2013, they performed 327,653 abortions and made just 1,880 adoption referrals. That means a percent increase in taxpayer funding resulted in a 66 percent increase in the number of abortions and a 61 percent decrease in the number of adoption referrals.[x]

6. Planned Parenthood is not safe for women and young girls. Recent undercover footage released by Lila Rose"s Live Action shows Planned Parenthood employees in several states willing to aid and abet in acknowledged human s sex trafficking of girls as young as 14.[xi] The undercover footage resulted in the firing of Amy Woodruff, manager of the Central New Jersey Planned Parenthood clinic.[xii] It also caused Planned Parenthood to call for mandatory training sessions of thousands of its employees across the country on reporting requirements.[xiii]

7. Planned Parenthood opposes commonsense measures to protect women and underage girls. Planned Parenthood fought vehemently against clinic regulations in Texas.

"The Supreme Court acted Monday to keep Texas" 19 abortion clinics open, amid a legal fight that threatens to close more than half of them. The justices voted 5-4 to grant an emergency appeal from the clinics after a federal appeals court upheld new clinic regulations and refused to keep them on hold while the clinics appealed to the Supreme Court"The court"s decision to block the regulations is a strong indication that the justices will hear the full appeal, which could be the biggest abortion case at the Supreme Court in nearly 25 years.

If the court steps in, the hearing and the eventual ruling would come amid the 2016 presidential campaign. Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas would have allowed the state to move ahead with regulations requiring abortion facilities to be constructed like surgical centers. Doctors at all clinics also would be required to have admitting privileges at a local hospital. The clinics said enforcing the new regulations would lead to a second major wave of clinic closures statewide since the law was enacted in 2013. Texas had 41 abortion clinics in 2012; 19 remain." [xiv]

8. Women have other options for seeking primary care, contraception, STI testing, and cancer screening. According to the Chiaroscuro Foundation, in addition to the tens of thousands of U.S. doctors and hospitals providing this care, there were 1,048 federally qualified health centers in the U.S. which provide women cancer screening, contraception, and STI testing.[xv]

9. Planned Parenthood does not provide mammograms and is not a significant primary care provider to women. Despite claims made by Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards and members of the media, Planned Parenthood does not provide mammograms. They are also not a significant primary care provider in general. In recent reports, Planned Parenthood acknowledges that it provided primary care only to about 19,700 of its 3 million unduplicated clients. These services have been trending downward for years, from 21,247 in 2007 to 20,235 in 2008, to today"s 19,796.[xvi]

10. Polling shows Americans don"t believe efforts to defund Planned Parenthood are extreme. A March 2011 poll conducted by The Hill, before Planned Parenthood became a critical issue in the budget debate, showed that Americans are virtually split in half over whether Planned Parenthood"s funding should be left alone or completely cut. Forty-six percent said it should be left alone; 42 percent said it should be completely cut. The poll has a 3 percent margin of error.[xvii] When asked specifically about taxpayer funding of abortion, polls consistently show a healthy majority of Americans, 60 to 70 percent, oppose their tax dollars funding abortion.[xviii]

11. Planned Parenthood"s founder, Margaret Sanger, was a strong believer in eugenics. Following is just a sampling of her documented beliefs. "In this matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be held up for emulation""[xix] Referring to immigrants and Catholics, she wrote: "[They"re] an unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all."[xx] She also wrote, "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."[xxi] Planned Parenthood is carrying on her legacy today, centering itself on population control efforts. In a recently filed tax return, Planned Parenthood stated as part of their mission statement that they are committed to "a U.S. population of stable size in an optimum environment."[xxii]

12. Planned Parenthood has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of employee time in order to protect its government handout. Planned Parenthood has flooded the airwaves with TV commercials [xxiii] and radio ads[xxiv] in order to protect its funding. Its employees " whose paychecks are subsidized by tax dollars " have participated in bus tours and rallies across the country.[xxv]

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Nope.
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2/13/2016 4:24:04 PM
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At 2/13/2016 4:19:19 PM, YYW wrote:
Nope.
Why don't you actually contribute to the discussion instead of writing "nope"?
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- Dr. Seuss
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2/13/2016 4:25:20 PM
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At 2/13/2016 4:24:04 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:19:19 PM, YYW wrote:
Nope.
Why don't you actually contribute to the discussion instead of writing "nope"?

Because I see no value in explaining to you why you're wrong.
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2/13/2016 4:26:38 PM
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At 2/13/2016 4:25:20 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:24:04 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:19:19 PM, YYW wrote:
Nope.
Why don't you actually contribute to the discussion instead of writing "nope"?

Because I see no value in explaining to you why you're wrong.
Then why even bother posting on this thread?
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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2/13/2016 4:31:55 PM
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At 2/13/2016 4:26:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:25:20 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:24:04 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:19:19 PM, YYW wrote:
Nope.
Why don't you actually contribute to the discussion instead of writing "nope"?

Because I see no value in explaining to you why you're wrong.
Then why even bother posting on this thread?

To join the rest of the consensus that youre an idiot
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2/13/2016 4:37:15 PM
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At 2/13/2016 4:31:55 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:26:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:25:20 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:24:04 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:19:19 PM, YYW wrote:
Nope.
Why don't you actually contribute to the discussion instead of writing "nope"?

Because I see no value in explaining to you why you're wrong.
Then why even bother posting on this thread?

To join the rest of the consensus that youre an idiot
I find it kind of ironic that you're calling me an idiot, when you are the one who can't even spell "you're" correctly.
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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2/13/2016 4:44:31 PM
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At 2/13/2016 4:31:55 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:26:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:25:20 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:24:04 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:19:19 PM, YYW wrote:
Nope.
Why don't you actually contribute to the discussion instead of writing "nope"?

Because I see no value in explaining to you why you're wrong.
Then why even bother posting on this thread?

To join the rest of the consensus that youre an idiot

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2/13/2016 4:47:37 PM
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At 2/13/2016 4:37:15 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:31:55 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:26:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:25:20 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:24:04 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:19:19 PM, YYW wrote:
Nope.
Why don't you actually contribute to the discussion instead of writing "nope"?

Because I see no value in explaining to you why you're wrong.
Then why even bother posting on this thread?

To join the rest of the consensus that youre an idiot
I find it kind of ironic that you're calling me an idiot, when you are the one who can't even spell "you're" correctly.

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2/13/2016 4:52:56 PM
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At 2/13/2016 4:37:15 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:31:55 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:26:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:25:20 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:24:04 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:19:19 PM, YYW wrote:
Nope.
Why don't you actually contribute to the discussion instead of writing "nope"?

Because I see no value in explaining to you why you're wrong.
Then why even bother posting on this thread?

To join the rest of the consensus that youre an idiot
I find it kind of ironic that you're calling me an idiot, when you are the one who can't even spell "you're" correctly.

lol, I did spell it correctly, Idiot. But thanks for proving my point ;)
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2/13/2016 5:18:49 PM
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Oh I see, he's butthurt because I forgot the ' in you're... XD

Tell me Christian, what's it like having undescended testicles?
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2/14/2016 7:16:15 AM
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At 2/12/2016 1:19:12 AM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
1. President Obama and Senate Democrats are willing to shut down the federal government to ensure tax dollars keep flowing to one of their biggest political allies. Both times President Obama ran for president, Planned Parenthood Action Fund was quick to endorse him as a "champion for women"s health." The 2012 election cycle marks only the third time in their history that they endorsed in a presidential election.[i] They poured money into his campaign and churned out volunteers. Imagine the reaction if a Republican president was willing to shut down the government in order to prevent a single organization from sharing one penny in the belt-tightening all Americans are facing.

2. Planned Parenthood is an independently wealthy entity. According to its latest annual report, it has over one billion dollars in net assets.[ii] In 2014 alone, data shows that Planned Parenthood"s revenue has exceeded their expenses by over $90 million.[iii]

3. Planned Parenthood is America"s largest abortion provider. "Roughly one out of every four abortions in America" is carried out in a Planned Parenthood facility. [iv] Data shows that since 1970, Planned Parenthood has performed more than 6 million abortions. [v] In 2013 alone, Planned Parenthood performed a record 357,653 abortions.[vi]

4. Planned Parenthood"s business model is centered on abortion. Former Planned Parenthood clinic director Abby Johnson has written that she was given an abortion quota, and was even told by her superiors to "double the number of abortions" in order to bring in more revenue.[vii] Abortion patients constitute 12 percent of Planned Parenthood clients " 332,000 of 3 million unduplicated clients in its most current report. 37 percent of all Planned Parenthood clinic income revenue is from abortion procedures, according to conservative estimates. Planned Parenthood has issued a directive instructing that all affiliates must have at least one clinic that performs abortion by 2013.[viii] According to an NBC news report from December 2012, our of the "74 regional affiliates" a handful of those affiliates chose to leave the organization, rather than comply with the policy. [ix]

5. More taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood equals more abortions, fewer adoption referrals. Claims that taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood results in fewer abortions are false. From 2000 to 2013, taxpayer funding shunted to Planned Parenthood jumped from $202,000,000 in 2000 to $528,400,000 in 2013. In 2000, Planned Parenthood performed 197,070 abortions while making 2,486 adoption referrals. In 2013, they performed 327,653 abortions and made just 1,880 adoption referrals. That means a percent increase in taxpayer funding resulted in a 66 percent increase in the number of abortions and a 61 percent decrease in the number of adoption referrals.[x]

6. Planned Parenthood is not safe for women and young girls. Recent undercover footage released by Lila Rose"s Live Action shows Planned Parenthood employees in several states willing to aid and abet in acknowledged human s sex trafficking of girls as young as 14.[xi] The undercover footage resulted in the firing of Amy Woodruff, manager of the Central New Jersey Planned Parenthood clinic.[xii] It also caused Planned Parenthood to call for mandatory training sessions of thousands of its employees across the country on reporting requirements.[xiii]

7. Planned Parenthood opposes commonsense measures to protect women and underage girls. Planned Parenthood fought vehemently against clinic regulations in Texas.

"The Supreme Court acted Monday to keep Texas" 19 abortion clinics open, amid a legal fight that threatens to close more than half of them. The justices voted 5-4 to grant an emergency appeal from the clinics after a federal appeals court upheld new clinic regulations and refused to keep them on hold while the clinics appealed to the Supreme Court"The court"s decision to block the regulations is a strong indication that the justices will hear the full appeal, which could be the biggest abortion case at the Supreme Court in nearly 25 years.

If the court steps in, the hearing and the eventual ruling would come amid the 2016 presidential campaign. Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas would have allowed the state to move ahead with regulations requiring abortion facilities to be constructed like surgical centers. Doctors at all clinics also would be required to have admitting privileges at a local hospital. The clinics said enforcing the new regulations would lead to a second major wave of clinic closures statewide since the law was enacted in 2013. Texas had 41 abortion clinics in 2012; 19 remain." [xiv]

8. Women have other options for seeking primary care, contraception, STI testing, and cancer screening. According to the Chiaroscuro Foundation, in addition to the tens of thousands of U.S. doctors and hospitals providing this care, there were 1,048 federally qualified health centers in the U.S. which provide women cancer screening, contraception, and STI testing.[xv]

9. Planned Parenthood does not provide mammograms and is not a significant primary care provider to women. Despite claims made by Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards and members of the media, Planned Parenthood does not provide mammograms. They are also not a significant primary care provider in general. In recent reports, Planned Parenthood acknowledges that it provided primary care only to about 19,700 of its 3 million unduplicated clients. These services have been trending downward for years, from 21,247 in 2007 to 20,235 in 2008, to today"s 19,796.[xvi]

10. Polling shows Americans don"t believe efforts to defund Planned Parenthood are extreme. A March 2011 poll conducted by The Hill, before Planned Parenthood became a critical issue in the budget debate, showed that Americans are virtually split in half over whether Planned Parenthood"s funding should be left alone or completely cut. Forty-six percent said it should be left alone; 42 percent said it should be completely cut. The poll has a 3 percent margin of error.[xvii] When asked specifically about taxpayer funding of abortion, polls consistently show a healthy majority of Americans, 60 to 70 percent, oppose their tax dollars funding abortion.[xviii]

11. Planned Parenthood"s founder, Margaret Sanger, was a strong believer in eugenics. Following is just a sampling of her documented beliefs. "In this matter, the example of the inferior classes, the fertility of the feeble-minded, the mentally defective, the poverty-stricken classes, should not be held up for emulation""[xix] Referring to immigrants and Catholics, she wrote: "[They"re] an unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all."[xx] She also wrote, "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."[xxi] Planned Parenthood is carrying on her legacy today, centering itself on population control efforts. In a recently filed tax return, Planned Parenthood stated as part of their mission statement that they are committed to "a U.S. population of stable size in an optimum environment."[xxii]

12. Planned Parenthood has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of hours of employee time in order to protect its government handout. Planned Parenthood has flooded the airwaves with TV commercials [xxiii] and radio ads[xxiv] in order to protect its funding. Its employees " whose paychecks are subsidized by tax dollars " have participated in bus tours and rallies across the country.[xxv]

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2/14/2016 7:19:57 AM
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I just clicked on the source links for the "eugenics" bit.
They don't work, and thus have no credibility until they do.
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2/14/2016 8:10:31 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 4:13:42 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 2:51:24 AM, Death23 wrote:
At 2/13/2016 2:06:32 AM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/12/2016 2:21:45 AM, Death23 wrote:
Hey look, a bunch of lies.
Do you have any proof, or are you just saying that because of your own personal bias against those who fight for the right to life?

2. Planned Parenthood is an independently wealthy entity. According to its latest annual report, it has over one billion dollars in net assets.[ii] In 2014 alone, data shows that Planned Parenthood"s revenue has exceeded their expenses by over $90 million.[iii]

Their source ("iii") is this:

https://issuu.com...

Look at the source and navigate to pages 23 & 24.

You will see the following data:

For the fiscal year ended June 30th, 2015, Planned Parenthood & affiliate's total revenue was 1,303.4 million. (pg 23) Of that revenue, 553.7 million came from the government. Total expenses were 1,237.3 million.

First, the difference between total revenue and total expenses was 66.1 million according to this source, not "over $90 million".

Second, when a non-profit organization has roughly half of its expenses covered by the government, I don't see that the organization could survive on its own financially if it weren't for the help of the government. It isn't reasonable to characterize the organization as "an independently wealthy entity" given those figures.
What a load of nonsense! P.P. can sustain itself. They just need to stop paying Cecile Richards 2.47 million dollars over the course of a few years, stop wasting money on real-estate (they paid $69.6 million for a CONDO, yes, a condo), and stop spending millions on travel and corporate offices.

It isn't a "load of nonsense and PP can't "sustain itself" because 44.8% of PP's expenses are paid for by the government. If you take that revenue stream away then PP would likely become insolvent. It's inaccurate to call an organization that that can't survive without government help "an independently wealthy entity". The author knew the figures, but wrote that anyway. That's an intentional inaccuracy, AKA lying. Now you know the figures, and now you know that the article lied to you. They tricked you, you believed it, and then you look bad for standing up for them. Don't be mad at me. Be mad at them.
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2/14/2016 1:26:53 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 4:52:56 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:37:15 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:31:55 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:26:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:25:20 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:24:04 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:19:19 PM, YYW wrote:
Nope.
Why don't you actually contribute to the discussion instead of writing "nope"?

Because I see no value in explaining to you why you're wrong.
Then why even bother posting on this thread?

To join the rest of the consensus that youre an idiot
I find it kind of ironic that you're calling me an idiot, when you are the one who can't even spell "you're" correctly.

lol, I did spell it correctly, Idiot. But thanks for proving my point ;)
No, you didn't. You forgot the apostrophe in "you're".
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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2/14/2016 1:29:19 PM
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At 2/13/2016 5:18:49 PM, imabench wrote:
Oh I see, he's butthurt because I forgot the ' in you're... XD

Tell me Christian, what's it like having undescended testicles?
Do you actually think I'm going to continue wasting my time responding to your distasteful comments? Think again.
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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2/14/2016 1:54:12 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 7:19:57 AM, Dark-one wrote:
I just clicked on the source links for the "eugenics" bit.
They don't work, and thus have no credibility until they do.
Susan B. Anthony List is a credible organization. In fact, it was founded by Rachel MacNair, who holds a doctorate in psychology and sociology, and is known for her work with veterans and veteran psychology. SBA List is also one of the America's largest and most respected pro-life organizations.
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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2/14/2016 1:59:17 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 8:10:31 AM, Death23 wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:13:42 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 2:51:24 AM, Death23 wrote:
At 2/13/2016 2:06:32 AM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/12/2016 2:21:45 AM, Death23 wrote:
Hey look, a bunch of lies.
Do you have any proof, or are you just saying that because of your own personal bias against those who fight for the right to life?

2. Planned Parenthood is an independently wealthy entity. According to its latest annual report, it has over one billion dollars in net assets.[ii] In 2014 alone, data shows that Planned Parenthood"s revenue has exceeded their expenses by over $90 million.[iii]

Their source ("iii") is this:

https://issuu.com...

Look at the source and navigate to pages 23 & 24.

You will see the following data:

For the fiscal year ended June 30th, 2015, Planned Parenthood & affiliate's total revenue was 1,303.4 million. (pg 23) Of that revenue, 553.7 million came from the government. Total expenses were 1,237.3 million.

First, the difference between total revenue and total expenses was 66.1 million according to this source, not "over $90 million".

Second, when a non-profit organization has roughly half of its expenses covered by the government, I don't see that the organization could survive on its own financially if it weren't for the help of the government. It isn't reasonable to characterize the organization as "an independently wealthy entity" given those figures.
What a load of nonsense! P.P. can sustain itself. They just need to stop paying Cecile Richards 2.47 million dollars over the course of a few years, stop wasting money on real-estate (they paid $69.6 million for a CONDO, yes, a condo), and stop spending millions on travel and corporate offices.

It isn't a "load of nonsense and PP can't "sustain itself" because 44.8% of PP's expenses are paid for by the government. If you take that revenue stream away then PP would likely become insolvent. It's inaccurate to call an organization that that can't survive without government help "an independently wealthy entity". The author knew the figures, but wrote that anyway. That's an intentional inaccuracy, AKA lying. Now you know the figures, and now you know that the article lied to you. They tricked you, you believed it, and then you look bad for standing up for them. Don't be mad at me. Be mad at them.
Did you not read the part where I said P.P. spent 69.6 million on a condo? Or the part where I said the company paid millions to Cecile Richards over the course of a couple of years? Clearly you didn't read those facts, or you wouldn't be saying that.
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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2/14/2016 2:58:34 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 1:59:17 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/14/2016 8:10:31 AM, Death23 wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:13:42 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/13/2016 2:51:24 AM, Death23 wrote:
At 2/13/2016 2:06:32 AM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 2/12/2016 2:21:45 AM, Death23 wrote:
Hey look, a bunch of lies.
Do you have any proof, or are you just saying that because of your own personal bias against those who fight for the right to life?

2. Planned Parenthood is an independently wealthy entity. According to its latest annual report, it has over one billion dollars in net assets.[ii] In 2014 alone, data shows that Planned Parenthood"s revenue has exceeded their expenses by over $90 million.[iii]

Their source ("iii") is this:

https://issuu.com...

Look at the source and navigate to pages 23 & 24.

You will see the following data:

For the fiscal year ended June 30th, 2015, Planned Parenthood & affiliate's total revenue was 1,303.4 million. (pg 23) Of that revenue, 553.7 million came from the government. Total expenses were 1,237.3 million.

First, the difference between total revenue and total expenses was 66.1 million according to this source, not "over $90 million".

Second, when a non-profit organization has roughly half of its expenses covered by the government, I don't see that the organization could survive on its own financially if it weren't for the help of the government. It isn't reasonable to characterize the organization as "an independently wealthy entity" given those figures.
What a load of nonsense! P.P. can sustain itself. They just need to stop paying Cecile Richards 2.47 million dollars over the course of a few years, stop wasting money on real-estate (they paid $69.6 million for a CONDO, yes, a condo), and stop spending millions on travel and corporate offices.

It isn't a "load of nonsense and PP can't "sustain itself" because 44.8% of PP's expenses are paid for by the government. If you take that revenue stream away then PP would likely become insolvent. It's inaccurate to call an organization that that can't survive without government help "an independently wealthy entity". The author knew the figures, but wrote that anyway. That's an intentional inaccuracy, AKA lying. Now you know the figures, and now you know that the article lied to you. They tricked you, you believed it, and then you look bad for standing up for them. Don't be mad at me. Be mad at them.
Did you not read the part where I said P.P. spent 69.6 million on a condo? Or the part where I said the company paid millions to Cecile Richards over the course of a couple of years? Clearly you didn't read those facts, or you wouldn't be saying that.

I did read it and did my homework on it, but it wasn't worth responding to due to irrelevance. Here is what I concluded: I'm not aware of any indication that Ms. Richard's salary is appropriate or inappropriate. It might be one or the other, but it's not relevant to the inquiry of whether or not PP is "an independently wealthy entity" because the figure is a drop in the bucket for the non-profit's total operating budget. I did some googling of the fabled 69.6 million dollar condo. PP didn't spend 69.6 million on a condo. In 2012, PP purchased from Vectra Management Group 72,000 square feet of 424 West 33rd Street in NY, NY, a "commercial condo" unit. PP spent 34.8 million dollars. PP had been leasing office space in the building for use as its corporate headquarters for many years previously. ( http://therealdeal.com... ) In 2015, for whatever reason, PP *SOLD* the 72,000 square feet to Broodfield Property Partners for 69.6 million dollars. ( https://commercialobserver.com... ) Of course, calling it a "condo" is misleading and probably intentionally deceptive on your part. The implication is that it was a gross expenditure for personal use; An inexcusable indulgence, when in reality it was a commercial property used for legitimate business purposes.

I've cared to respond to your arguments. You haven't responded to mine at all, and I don't expect that you will. You will probably dig in your heels and double down with more lies or change the subject, as you did previously. I'm not stupid, and neither are the users here. Your conduct here only serves to demonstrate how intellectually dishonest you are about the entire subject, and it isn't convincing anybody.