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2/12/2016 11:25:37 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
I like Bernie, but HATE his fans/rabid supporters. The only thing the majority of these millennials seem to weigh between the candidates is "integrity." They couldn't give two sh!ts about the practicality of Bernie's policies, his knowledge in foreign affairs, or his hyper-focused rigid platform. I think one of the reasons why Hillary has been struggling to pull voters in is because of her haughty performances on stage. Finally, though, in the debate last night, she was more modest with herself while being serious about her contender. . . no more condescending smiles! When Hillary attacked Bernie's policies and agenda with forthright behavior and attitude, Bernie had almost nothing to defend with, falling back to the same catch-phrases, over and over. Last night he kind of reminded me of Rubio . . .

I've been reluctant to pick a candidate for a long time. What do you all think of Bernie Sanders?

Random thought: I wonder why a "B.S" catchphrase hasn't caught on for anti-Sanders/pro Hillary voters. It would be perfect lmao.
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2/12/2016 11:49:09 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/12/2016 11:25:37 PM, ben2974 wrote:
I like Bernie, but HATE his fans/rabid supporters. The only thing the majority of these millennials seem to weigh between the candidates is "integrity." They couldn't give two sh!ts about the practicality of Bernie's policies, his knowledge in foreign affairs, or his hyper-focused rigid platform. I think one of the reasons why Hillary has been struggling to pull voters in is because of her haughty performances on stage. Finally, though, in the debate last night, she was more modest with herself while being serious about her contender. . . no more condescending smiles! When Hillary attacked Bernie's policies and agenda with forthright behavior and attitude, Bernie had almost nothing to defend with, falling back to the same catch-phrases, over and over. Last night he kind of reminded me of Rubio . . .

I've been reluctant to pick a candidate for a long time. What do you all think of Bernie Sanders?

Random thought: I wonder why a "B.S" catchphrase hasn't caught on for anti-Sanders/pro Hillary voters. It would be perfect lmao.

He is a decent guy but an awful candidate due to his unelectability to centrist voters. He would also make an awful president due to his inept policies in economics and foreign affairs. The two biggest issues in American politics. He would borrow beyond America's means with his spending proposals, scare away the rich and big business with tax increases leading to reduced revenue from taxes and increased unemployment while further increasing unemployment through minimum wage increases. He would also be very weak on the international stage, allowing Russia, China, north Korea, Iran and Islamic state a free reign to do as they please.
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2/13/2016 4:42:02 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
He wants to raise effective tax rates significantly for all income brackets. I can't agree with that.
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2/13/2016 5:22:35 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
He is a good mench, and could be the 1st non-Christian president.
Bigots love to vote. Nominating Bernie is perhaps the only way the republicans will win.
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2/13/2016 6:36:12 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
I like Bernie. But I am not sure I'll vote for him.
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2/13/2016 7:27:15 AM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/13/2016 6:36:12 AM, bsh1 wrote:
I like Bernie. But I am not sure I'll vote for him.

pretty much my sentiment
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2/13/2016 12:54:29 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Eh, half the debate Bernie and Hillary just stood up there agreeing with one another. i don't really see much that makes me favor one over the other.
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2/13/2016 3:43:24 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/13/2016 5:22:35 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
He is a good mench, and could be the 1st non-Christian president.
He won't be the first non-Christian president. Thomas Jefferson beat him to that a long time ago.
Bigots love to vote. Nominating Bernie is perhaps the only way the republicans will win.
Are you trying to say that Republicans oppose Bernie because they are bigots? Trying to protect the country's economy doesn't seem like bigotry to me.
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2/13/2016 3:46:01 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
I like him a lot. He beats Hillary in pretty much every general mashup; he gets higher support among not only youths and lower-income brackets but also independents/moderates; and he has genuine integrity and principles, unlike anyone else running for the Democratic nomination.
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2/13/2016 4:58:26 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/13/2016 6:36:12 AM, bsh1 wrote:
I like Bernie. But I am not sure I'll vote for him.

I dont like him and I see no point in voting for him even if he does somehow steal the nomination
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2/13/2016 5:45:27 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
Whether you like Bernie or not, what I find disturbing is the delegate votes. Despite Bernie winning by a landslide in NH, delegate votes were equal, 15/15. On the Iowa side, Hillary won by only by .03% of votes but picked up 8 more delegates than Bernie. This is due to super delegates. Where they, by rules do not have to align themselves to the popular the vote but, who"s votes have the same weight as regular delegates. This is a rigging of the process on the part of the DNC against the popular vote. Conceivably, even If Bernie wins the popular vote through the remainder of the primaries, Hillary could win the primaries due to the super delegates.
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2/13/2016 5:50:02 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/13/2016 5:45:27 PM, Peepette wrote:
Whether you like Bernie or not, what I find disturbing is the delegate votes. Despite Bernie winning by a landslide in NH, delegate votes were equal, 15/15. On the Iowa side, Hillary won by only by .03% of votes but picked up 8 more delegates than Bernie. This is due to super delegates. Where they, by rules do not have to align themselves to the popular the vote but, who"s votes have the same weight as regular delegates. This is a rigging of the process on the part of the DNC against the popular vote. Conceivably, even If Bernie wins the popular vote through the remainder of the primaries, Hillary could win the primaries due to the super delegates.

Read and discussed this yesterday elsewhere. It's pretty insane for sure. Clinton, I think, had a similar advantage back in 2008, but lost it to Obama. That outcome might not translate well in 2016 because Bernie is a complete outsider, only recently identifying as a democrat for the purposes of running. He has no base for support, whereas Obama presumably did.
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2/13/2016 6:03:12 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/13/2016 5:50:02 PM, ben2974 wrote:
At 2/13/2016 5:45:27 PM, Peepette wrote:
Whether you like Bernie or not, what I find disturbing is the delegate votes. Despite Bernie winning by a landslide in NH, delegate votes were equal, 15/15. On the Iowa side, Hillary won by only by .03% of votes but picked up 8 more delegates than Bernie. This is due to super delegates. Where they, by rules do not have to align themselves to the popular the vote but, who"s votes have the same weight as regular delegates. This is a rigging of the process on the part of the DNC against the popular vote. Conceivably, even If Bernie wins the popular vote through the remainder of the primaries, Hillary could win the primaries due to the super delegates.

Read and discussed this yesterday elsewhere. It's pretty insane for sure. Clinton, I think, had a similar advantage back in 2008, but lost it to Obama. That outcome might not translate well in 2016 because Bernie is a complete outsider, only recently identifying as a democrat for the purposes of running. He has no base for support, whereas Obama presumably did.

I didn't catch the thread on this. The point being, despite Bernie being an outsider, who the DNC does not like, the winner of the primary should be determined by the popular vote. The Dems made this rule in 84 for the sole purpose of keeping the "unwanted" off their ticket. As it stands, it's impossible for an Independent to run at the presidential level due to the 2 party system infrastructure; Bernie had no alternative but to join the Dems as a result. I'm not a Bernie supporter but, this is a subversion of the democratic process, and it's evident where the voters are leaning. I expect something similar on the Rep. side to occur regarding Trump and Cruz since neither have their party's support.
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2/13/2016 6:26:06 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/13/2016 6:03:12 PM, Peepette wrote:
At 2/13/2016 5:50:02 PM, ben2974 wrote:
At 2/13/2016 5:45:27 PM, Peepette wrote:
Whether you like Bernie or not, what I find disturbing is the delegate votes. Despite Bernie winning by a landslide in NH, delegate votes were equal, 15/15. On the Iowa side, Hillary won by only by .03% of votes but picked up 8 more delegates than Bernie. This is due to super delegates. Where they, by rules do not have to align themselves to the popular the vote but, who"s votes have the same weight as regular delegates. This is a rigging of the process on the part of the DNC against the popular vote. Conceivably, even If Bernie wins the popular vote through the remainder of the primaries, Hillary could win the primaries due to the super delegates.

Read and discussed this yesterday elsewhere. It's pretty insane for sure. Clinton, I think, had a similar advantage back in 2008, but lost it to Obama. That outcome might not translate well in 2016 because Bernie is a complete outsider, only recently identifying as a democrat for the purposes of running. He has no base for support, whereas Obama presumably did.

I didn't catch the thread on this. The point being, despite Bernie being an outsider, who the DNC does not like, the winner of the primary should be determined by the popular vote. The Dems made this rule in 84 for the sole purpose of keeping the "unwanted" off their ticket. As it stands, it's impossible for an Independent to run at the presidential level due to the 2 party system infrastructure; Bernie had no alternative but to join the Dems as a result. I'm not a Bernie supporter but, this is a subversion of the democratic process, and it's evident where the voters are leaning. I expect something similar on the Rep. side to occur regarding Trump and Cruz since neither have their party's support.

It is interesting to see many of the popular candidates deemed "outsiders" by their respective tickets. Logically, if the traditional candidates are losing ground in the polls, it should indicate to the affected political parties that it's time to make some changes.

IOW if your stances are no longer popular with your own affiliated voters, why are you still pushing the same tired rhetoric?
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2/13/2016 6:30:18 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/13/2016 6:03:12 PM, Peepette wrote:
At 2/13/2016 5:50:02 PM, ben2974 wrote:
At 2/13/2016 5:45:27 PM, Peepette wrote:
Whether you like Bernie or not, what I find disturbing is the delegate votes. Despite Bernie winning by a landslide in NH, delegate votes were equal, 15/15. On the Iowa side, Hillary won by only by .03% of votes but picked up 8 more delegates than Bernie. This is due to super delegates. Where they, by rules do not have to align themselves to the popular the vote but, who"s votes have the same weight as regular delegates. This is a rigging of the process on the part of the DNC against the popular vote. Conceivably, even If Bernie wins the popular vote through the remainder of the primaries, Hillary could win the primaries due to the super delegates.

Read and discussed this yesterday elsewhere. It's pretty insane for sure. Clinton, I think, had a similar advantage back in 2008, but lost it to Obama. That outcome might not translate well in 2016 because Bernie is a complete outsider, only recently identifying as a democrat for the purposes of running. He has no base for support, whereas Obama presumably did.

I didn't catch the thread on this. The point being, despite Bernie being an outsider, who the DNC does not like, the winner of the primary should be determined by the popular vote. The Dems made this rule in 84 for the sole purpose of keeping the "unwanted" off their ticket. As it stands, it's impossible for an Independent to run at the presidential level due to the 2 party system infrastructure; Bernie had no alternative but to join the Dems as a result. I'm not a Bernie supporter but, this is a subversion of the democratic process, and it's evident where the voters are leaning. I expect something similar on the Rep. side to occur regarding Trump and Cruz since neither have their party's support.

I understand. I was just pointing out the differences in 2008. I don't think the GOP has a similar thing with the superdelegates?
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2/13/2016 6:45:25 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/13/2016 6:26:06 PM, U.n wrote:
At 2/13/2016 6:03:12 PM, Peepette wrote:
At 2/13/2016 5:50:02 PM, ben2974 wrote:
At 2/13/2016 5:45:27 PM, Peepette wrote:
Whether you like Bernie or not, what I find disturbing is the delegate votes. Despite Bernie winning by a landslide in NH, delegate votes were equal, 15/15. On the Iowa side, Hillary won by only by .03% of votes but picked up 8 more delegates than Bernie. This is due to super delegates. Where they, by rules do not have to align themselves to the popular the vote but, who"s votes have the same weight as regular delegates. This is a rigging of the process on the part of the DNC against the popular vote. Conceivably, even If Bernie wins the popular vote through the remainder of the primaries, Hillary could win the primaries due to the super delegates.

Read and discussed this yesterday elsewhere. It's pretty insane for sure. Clinton, I think, had a similar advantage back in 2008, but lost it to Obama. That outcome might not translate well in 2016 because Bernie is a complete outsider, only recently identifying as a democrat for the purposes of running. He has no base for support, whereas Obama presumably did.

I didn't catch the thread on this. The point being, despite Bernie being an outsider, who the DNC does not like, the winner of the primary should be determined by the popular vote. The Dems made this rule in 84 for the sole purpose of keeping the "unwanted" off their ticket. As it stands, it's impossible for an Independent to run at the presidential level due to the 2 party system infrastructure; Bernie had no alternative but to join the Dems as a result. I'm not a Bernie supporter but, this is a subversion of the democratic process, and it's evident where the voters are leaning. I expect something similar on the Rep. side to occur regarding Trump and Cruz since neither have their party's support.

It is interesting to see many of the popular candidates deemed "outsiders" by their respective tickets. Logically, if the traditional candidates are losing ground in the polls, it should indicate to the affected political parties that it's time to make some changes.

IOW if your stances are no longer popular with your own affiliated voters, why are you still pushing the same tired rhetoric?

Agreed. A lot has to do with influence and sources of political donations. It really does not reflect what "the people" want anymore.
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2/13/2016 6:49:10 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/13/2016 6:30:18 PM, ben2974 wrote:
At 2/13/2016 6:03:12 PM, Peepette wrote:
At 2/13/2016 5:50:02 PM, ben2974 wrote:
At 2/13/2016 5:45:27 PM, Peepette wrote:
Whether you like Bernie or not, what I find disturbing is the delegate votes. Despite Bernie winning by a landslide in NH, delegate votes were equal, 15/15. On the Iowa side, Hillary won by only by .03% of votes but picked up 8 more delegates than Bernie. This is due to super delegates. Where they, by rules do not have to align themselves to the popular the vote but, who"s votes have the same weight as regular delegates. This is a rigging of the process on the part of the DNC against the popular vote. Conceivably, even If Bernie wins the popular vote through the remainder of the primaries, Hillary could win the primaries due to the super delegates.

Read and discussed this yesterday elsewhere. It's pretty insane for sure. Clinton, I think, had a similar advantage back in 2008, but lost it to Obama. That outcome might not translate well in 2016 because Bernie is a complete outsider, only recently identifying as a democrat for the purposes of running. He has no base for support, whereas Obama presumably did.

I didn't catch the thread on this. The point being, despite Bernie being an outsider, who the DNC does not like, the winner of the primary should be determined by the popular vote. The Dems made this rule in 84 for the sole purpose of keeping the "unwanted" off their ticket. As it stands, it's impossible for an Independent to run at the presidential level due to the 2 party system infrastructure; Bernie had no alternative but to join the Dems as a result. I'm not a Bernie supporter but, this is a subversion of the democratic process, and it's evident where the voters are leaning. I expect something similar on the Rep. side to occur regarding Trump and Cruz since neither have their party's support.


I understand. I was just pointing out the differences in 2008. I don't think the GOP has a similar thing with the superdelegates?

True, the Reps do not have the same super delegate system, but I'm sure if Trump and Cruz continue to stay high in the poles the Reps will finagle an out to keep them off the ballot.
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2/13/2016 7:16:48 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/12/2016 11:25:37 PM, ben2974 wrote:
I like Bernie, but HATE his fans/rabid supporters. The only thing the majority of these millennials seem to weigh between the candidates is "integrity." They couldn't give two sh!ts about the practicality of Bernie's policies, his knowledge in foreign affairs, or his hyper-focused rigid platform. I think one of the reasons why Hillary has been struggling to pull voters in is because of her haughty performances on stage. Finally, though, in the debate last night, she was more modest with herself while being serious about her contender. . . no more condescending smiles! When Hillary attacked Bernie's policies and agenda with forthright behavior and attitude, Bernie had almost nothing to defend with, falling back to the same catch-phrases, over and over. Last night he kind of reminded me of Rubio . . .

I've been reluctant to pick a candidate for a long time. What do you all think of Bernie Sanders?

Random thought: I wonder why a "B.S" catchphrase hasn't caught on for anti-Sanders/pro Hillary voters. It would be perfect lmao.
I actually don't really like Bernie- even aside from his supporters, some of whom really are rabid. (And if you don't believe that, try posting anything anti-Bernie on HuffPost).
Bernie has been in politics for decades and knows that his policies are completely unrealistic. That's why he keeps going back to his broad talking points whenever Hillary challenges him on the details. He's just giving his supporters what they want to hear. His newest is that he will reduce the prison population. Really? Most prisoners are in state systems. Bernie is blowing smoke. Granted, it's working for him.
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2/13/2016 7:44:14 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
I admire Bernie's passion for change and his desire to help the people, but I find that his solutions will actually have the opposite effects and be quite dire. I am coming out of bias though, as I am an Austria-School economics followers and a staunch Libertarian.
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2/13/2016 7:46:37 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/13/2016 5:45:27 PM, Peepette wrote:
Whether you like Bernie or not, what I find disturbing is the delegate votes. Despite Bernie winning by a landslide in NH, delegate votes were equal, 15/15. On the Iowa side, Hillary won by only by .03% of votes but picked up 8 more delegates than Bernie. This is due to super delegates. Where they, by rules do not have to align themselves to the popular the vote but, who"s votes have the same weight as regular delegates. This is a rigging of the process on the part of the DNC against the popular vote. Conceivably, even If Bernie wins the popular vote through the remainder of the primaries, Hillary could win the primaries due to the super delegates.

If Bernie wins enough in the popular votes, the super delegates will switch. It's simple politics. They know they'd never survive if they picked Hillary after Sanders won the popular vote.
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2/13/2016 7:51:21 PM
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I love Bernie and feel he is a great voice to have out there inspiring democratic voters, but I don't see him as presidential material and I don't think his policies are realistic. Still, I'll take him over any of the crazies on the right, except maybe Kasich.
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2/13/2016 8:04:16 PM
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At 2/13/2016 7:46:37 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/13/2016 5:45:27 PM, Peepette wrote:
Whether you like Bernie or not, what I find disturbing is the delegate votes. Despite Bernie winning by a landslide in NH, delegate votes were equal, 15/15. On the Iowa side, Hillary won by only by .03% of votes but picked up 8 more delegates than Bernie. This is due to super delegates. Where they, by rules do not have to align themselves to the popular the vote but, who"s votes have the same weight as regular delegates. This is a rigging of the process on the part of the DNC against the popular vote. Conceivably, even If Bernie wins the popular vote through the remainder of the primaries, Hillary could win the primaries due to the super delegates.

If Bernie wins enough in the popular votes, the super delegates will switch. It's simple politics. They know they'd never survive if they picked Hillary after Sanders won the popular vote.

I don't share the same optimism. Look at what happened in NH. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC do not want to see Bernie win the primary. Like I said, not a Bernie fan, but the popular vote should win out. If by chance he does win the primary, it doesn't mean Hillary will drop out. Then the electoral college becomes a factor.
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2/13/2016 8:38:33 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/13/2016 4:58:26 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/13/2016 6:36:12 AM, bsh1 wrote:
I like Bernie. But I am not sure I'll vote for him.

I dont like him and I see no point in voting for him even if he does somehow steal the nomination

Yes, because the nomination BELONGED to Hillary. "HAIL CLINTON! LONG MAY SHE REIGN!"
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2/13/2016 9:19:59 PM
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At 2/13/2016 5:22:35 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
He is a good mench, and could be the 1st non-Christian president.
Bigots love to vote. Nominating Bernie is perhaps the only way the republicans will win.

I thought he was a Christian?
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2/13/2016 9:21:14 PM
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At 2/13/2016 8:38:33 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 2/13/2016 4:58:26 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/13/2016 6:36:12 AM, bsh1 wrote:
I like Bernie. But I am not sure I'll vote for him.

I dont like him and I see no point in voting for him even if he does somehow steal the nomination

Yes, because the nomination BELONGED to Hillary. "HAIL CLINTON! LONG MAY SHE REIGN!"

Yeah, haven't you heard the news? The DNC is renaming the party to "the Royal Clinton Family." God save the Queen.
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2/13/2016 9:41:45 PM
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At 2/13/2016 9:19:59 PM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 2/13/2016 5:22:35 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
He is a good mench, and could be the 1st non-Christian president.
Bigots love to vote. Nominating Bernie is perhaps the only way the republicans will win.

I thought he was a Christian?

No, he's Jewish.
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2/13/2016 10:57:32 PM
Posted: 10 months ago
At 2/13/2016 4:58:26 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/13/2016 6:36:12 AM, bsh1 wrote:
I like Bernie. But I am not sure I'll vote for him.

I dont like him and I see no point in voting for him even if he does somehow steal the nomination

The point would be to stop someone else winning.
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2/13/2016 10:58:17 PM
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At 2/13/2016 6:36:12 AM, bsh1 wrote:
I like Bernie. But I am not sure I'll vote for him.

You should.