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Were you ever Pro-Iraq War?

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2/13/2016 1:37:49 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 12:32:48 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
I'll admit I was for a very long time. Anybody else?

Yes. And I still would support it, but for the reality that I know that in this day and age, accomplishing the objectives that made that and other wars like it worth fighting is an impossibility.
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2/13/2016 1:39:09 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 12:41:41 AM, Wylted wrote:
No, I'm not evil.

I know you don't want to admit it.
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2/13/2016 1:58:48 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 12:32:48 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
I'll admit I was for a very long time. Anybody else?

I to this day go back and forth on it just because of how sh*tty of a leader Saddam was. Attacked Kuwait, Israel, and Iran, wanted to attack Saudi Arabia.... Possibly more of a threat to middle east stability than ISIS was, certainly more capable of triggering a nuclear war than ISIS
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2/13/2016 2:01:55 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
I wasn't old enough when the war began, but since I am now old enough to understand, I would say I would have never supported the war.
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2/13/2016 2:27:56 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
I was, although that was at a time when I cared more about getting drunk then I did about what was going on in the world, and was based on the information good ole W. was feeding us.
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2/13/2016 2:44:35 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 2:07:36 AM, Varrack wrote:
Only an idiot would not be.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic...
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2/13/2016 3:12:13 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
Yes, and I still can't really decide.
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2/13/2016 3:30:51 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 12:32:48 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
I'll admit I was for a very long time. Anybody else?

At first I was against it because it seemed like a waste of blood and treasure. Now I'm against it because Saddam could have much more easily been removed through a regime change than through the democratization of Iraq (and he had to be removed; he was a loose cannon). I'm fine with the war, it's the democracy that I don't like.
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2/13/2016 4:06:49 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
I was too young to care when the war started, but now Im fine with the war. It was the clean-up afterwards that I have some qualms with. It could have been handled significantly better. But hey, hindsight has 20/20 vision.
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2/13/2016 4:46:35 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
I've always opposed the Iraq War, from when I was old enough to understand what it is.

I now have come to the conclusion that the pretext for an invasion was illegitimate (most people would agree here), but we invaded and we can't reverse that. I think that we should have done a better job at rebuilding the Iraqi state, especially when it comes to civilian infrastructure and the Iraqi economy, the collapse of which fueled a Sunni insurgency. Leaving too early would have been a bad idea, so we needed a presence for at least half a decade (probably more). Is that pro-Iraq War? I'm not really sure.
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2/13/2016 5:09:06 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 1:39:09 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 2/13/2016 12:41:41 AM, Wylted wrote:
No, I'm not evil.

I know you don't want to admit it.

After 9-11, I did see a recruiter, but that was for Bin Laden, not for Saddam. I guess that is the closest I've come tp supporting the Iraq war.
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2/13/2016 5:15:26 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
The Iraq war-just as the War on Terror is today- was a major waste of time and further destabilized the Middle-East.

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2/13/2016 12:40:00 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 12:32:48 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
I'll admit I was for a very long time. Anybody else?

No I have always opposed it.
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2/14/2016 1:48:27 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 1:58:48 AM, imabench wrote:

I to this day go back and forth on it just because of how sh*tty of a leader Saddam was. Attacked Kuwait, Israel, and Iran, wanted to attack Saudi Arabia...

- Much less sh*tty than the US though.

Possibly more of a threat to middle east stability than ISIS was,

- Less so than the threat of the US to the Middle East.

certainly more capable of triggering a nuclear war than ISIS

- Much less so than the US & Russian though. You should be thinking of being Pro-US War, makes more sense.
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2/14/2016 1:50:26 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 1:48:27 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 2/13/2016 1:58:48 AM, imabench wrote:

I to this day go back and forth on it just because of how sh*tty of a leader Saddam was. Attacked Kuwait, Israel, and Iran, wanted to attack Saudi Arabia...

- Much less sh*tty than the US though.

Possibly more of a threat to middle east stability than ISIS was,

- Less so than the threat of the US to the Middle East.

certainly more capable of triggering a nuclear war than ISIS

- Much less so than the US & Russian though. You should be thinking of being Pro-US War, makes more sense.

I cant tell if youre just whining about something or actually want to have a conversation here
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2/14/2016 1:51:59 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
No. I never did, never will. Anyone who still supports it needs to seriously reevaluate their logic.
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2/14/2016 1:52:17 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 1:50:26 AM, imabench wrote:
At 2/14/2016 1:48:27 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 2/13/2016 1:58:48 AM, imabench wrote:

I to this day go back and forth on it just because of how sh*tty of a leader Saddam was. Attacked Kuwait, Israel, and Iran, wanted to attack Saudi Arabia...

- Much less sh*tty than the US though.

Possibly more of a threat to middle east stability than ISIS was,

- Less so than the threat of the US to the Middle East.

certainly more capable of triggering a nuclear war than ISIS

- Much less so than the US & Russian though. You should be thinking of being Pro-US War, makes more sense.

I cant tell if youre just whining about something or actually want to have a conversation here

- Just thought you might want to support a war on the US, given your reasons for supporting the one on Iraq.
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2/14/2016 2:00:15 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 3:30:51 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 2/13/2016 12:32:48 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
I'll admit I was for a very long time. Anybody else?

At first I was against it because it seemed like a waste of blood and treasure. Now I'm against it because Saddam could have much more easily been removed through a regime change than through the democratization of Iraq (and he had to be removed; he was a loose cannon). I'm fine with the war,

- Why?

it's the democracy that I don't like.

- Democracy in a 50/50 Sunni/Shi'a nation is the worst idea ever.
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2/14/2016 2:01:15 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 1:52:17 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 2/14/2016 1:50:26 AM, imabench wrote:
At 2/14/2016 1:48:27 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 2/13/2016 1:58:48 AM, imabench wrote:

I to this day go back and forth on it just because of how sh*tty of a leader Saddam was. Attacked Kuwait, Israel, and Iran, wanted to attack Saudi Arabia...

- Much less sh*tty than the US though.

Possibly more of a threat to middle east stability than ISIS was,

- Less so than the threat of the US to the Middle East.

certainly more capable of triggering a nuclear war than ISIS

- Much less so than the US & Russian though. You should be thinking of being Pro-US War, makes more sense.

I cant tell if youre just whining about something or actually want to have a conversation here

- Just thought you might want to support a war on the US, given your reasons for supporting the one on Iraq.

If you want me to compare the differences between Saddam and the US, then ask nicely and do so in a way that doesnt make you look like an idiot
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2/14/2016 2:03:08 AM
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At 2/14/2016 2:01:15 AM, imabench wrote:

If you want me to compare the differences between Saddam and the US, then ask nicely and do so in a way that doesn't make you look like an idiot

- Not interested.
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2/14/2016 2:04:34 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 2:03:08 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 2/14/2016 2:01:15 AM, imabench wrote:

If you want me to compare the differences between Saddam and the US, then ask nicely and do so in a way that doesn't make you look like an idiot

- Not interested.

I didnt think so
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2/14/2016 2:04:34 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 2:00:15 AM, Yassine wrote:
At 2/13/2016 3:30:51 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 2/13/2016 12:32:48 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
I'll admit I was for a very long time. Anybody else?

At first I was against it because it seemed like a waste of blood and treasure. Now I'm against it because Saddam could have much more easily been removed through a regime change than through the democratization of Iraq (and he had to be removed; he was a loose cannon). I'm fine with the war,

- Why?

Because Saddam was no longer serving our interests. There's no point in having a pet dictator if he's going around attacking people whom you don't want him to attack. Personally, I think that an assassination or coup would have been better, but I'm not terribly opposed to the war. The domestic political situation certainly was conducive to one. The stupid part was the dismantling of the Ba'athist political establishment. What the actual fvck.

it's the democracy that I don't like.

- Democracy in a 50/50 Sunni/Shi'a nation is the worst idea ever.

Yep. Especially one caught between Shi'a and Sunni spheres of influence.
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2/14/2016 2:05:15 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
It's hard to be opposed to a war at the age of 2. But from the first time I made judgement on it I was against it.
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2/14/2016 2:10:57 AM
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At 2/14/2016 2:04:34 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:

Because Saddam was no longer serving our interests. There's no point in having a pet dictator if he's going around attacking people whom you don't want him to attack.

- I can understand it from that perspective.

Personally, I think that an assassination or coup would have been better, but I'm not terribly opposed to the war. The domestic political situation certainly was conducive to one.

- I think in the long term, the war will backfire.

The stupid part was the dismantling of the Ba'athist political establishment. What the actual fvck.

- For the sake of Israel, not that stupid.

Yep. Especially one caught between Shi'a and Sunni spheres of influence.

- Indeed.
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2/14/2016 2:34:26 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/13/2016 12:32:48 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
I'll admit I was for a very long time. Anybody else?

I was until the military was not allowed to annihilate the entire country. I can't support any war that isn't allowed to be won by total annihilation and unconditional surrender. what is the point?
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2/14/2016 2:35:10 AM
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At 2/14/2016 2:34:26 AM, sadolite wrote:
At 2/13/2016 12:32:48 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
I'll admit I was for a very long time. Anybody else?

I was until the military was not allowed to annihilate the entire country. I can't support any war that isn't allowed to be won by total annihilation and unconditional surrender. what is the point?

Thankfully that will never happen.
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2/14/2016 3:18:33 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
I was not involved in politics during the brunt of the war, and I didn't feel the anger that Americans felt once the Trade Centers fell.

If I had been an adult, I most likely would have been for it. I don't think I could have foresaw the trillions we wasted fighting a war that only ended in further destabilization.
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