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thett3
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2/14/2016 9:04:19 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
I can't sleep at all, which means another long meandering post about Trump that nobody will read.

Tonight in the debate Trump came off as incredibly angry and slightly unhinged, which for a normal candidate would probably do serious damage to their campaign. But Trumps campaign is anything but ordinary.

Scott Adams writes the Dilbert comic strip and has been writing an interesting series of blog posts on Trump. He's also a bit of a weirdo who believes that Trump is a hypnotist, that the primaries are rigged, that Trump will get 65%+ of the general election vote, and that he could stop Trump from being elected if paid $1 billion. Still, credit has to be given where credit is due--he predicted Trumps rise all the way from the beginning when people were saying he wasn't even seriously running.

Scott Adams is a guy who has a lot of ideas, some good and some bad, but he makes an important distinction between how our conscious thoughts and our subconscious can diverge. He calls this the 2D world vs the 3D world. In the 2D world, attacking George W. Bush using democratic talking points and angrily suicide bombing his opponents looks seems like a horrible play. In the 3D world Trump is linking his anger with his opponents. The appeal of Trumps anger is one of the few things mainstream punditry has gotten right in this electipn. Trump is the exact personification of how the majority of GOP voters feel about government and the state of our country in general, which is why so many things which would sink other candidates bounce right off him. We all say stupid things when we're angry and Trump is right to be angry.

This election is about Trump. Even if someone else wins, the story of the primary was the story of Trump, and he knows this. Trump was angry but he really only reacted angrily to Bush and to Cruz. Rubio, Kasich, and Carson were mostly left alone. In the minds of most republican voters, Jeb is synonymous with "loser" (although a few more performances like last night where he actually showed some spine could help fix that). The headlines tomorrow and the stories that follow those headlines will talk about how Trump went after Jeb and Cruz, linking Cruz, his primary competition, with the man regarded as a complete loser and a failure

In the 2D world, flipping out and calling Cruz a liar seems like a bad play. In the 3D world, Cruz simply comes off as a liar and a sleeze. The type of guy who works on a used car dealership. Even the people who like him see this and just suppress this instinct because he is very good at presenting himself, but he is just incredibly unlikable and it shows. The average person might be uninformed and ignorant about many things on an intellectual level but intelligence is not the only gift evolution endowed us with and we also have hundreds of millions of years of evolution that have created warning bells. Built in bullshitt detectors. Cruz sets off every one of those warning bells, sorry to say.

Reminding the voters of the complete untrustworthiness of Cruz in a way that they cannot forget discredits everything Cruz has to say about Trump or any of the other candidates.
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: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right
Greyparrot
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2/14/2016 11:54:56 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
Also, Trump is the master of the art of "Repetition is Truth"

How many times has the public heard "Bush lied people died?" over the last 15 years?

Doesn't matter if you vote red or blue, your brain is wired to trigger when you hear that phrase. Trump pulls that trigger.

Trump knows all the triggers.

15 years from now, Trump's "Make America Great" will just be another trigger in the long list of the American political arsenal of buzzphrases.

The ammunition is there for any politician smart enough to know how to properly use the political arsenal of trigger phrases. And the real beauty of it all is that it really doesn't matter whether Red or Blue puts these triggers in the stockpile. It's there; and elections are won with the triggering of the primordial subconscious. The vast majority of voters are intellectually lazy and embrace the idea of a representative democracy for the sake of convenience. Trump is that convenient representative.
Illegalcombatant
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2/14/2016 12:01:53 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Family Values....................yeah remember that.
"Seems like another attempt to insert God into areas our knowledge has yet to penetrate. You figure God would be bigger than the gaps of our ignorance." Drafterman 19/5/12
beng100
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2/14/2016 12:17:34 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 9:04:19 AM, thett3 wrote:
I can't sleep at all, which means another long meandering post about Trump that nobody will read.

Tonight in the debate Trump came off as incredibly angry and slightly unhinged, which for a normal candidate would probably do serious damage to their campaign. But Trumps campaign is anything but ordinary.

Scott Adams writes the Dilbert comic strip and has been writing an interesting series of blog posts on Trump. He's also a bit of a weirdo who believes that Trump is a hypnotist, that the primaries are rigged, that Trump will get 65%+ of the general election vote, and that he could stop Trump from being elected if paid $1 billion. Still, credit has to be given where credit is due--he predicted Trumps rise all the way from the beginning when people were saying he wasn't even seriously running.

Scott Adams is a guy who has a lot of ideas, some good and some bad, but he makes an important distinction between how our conscious thoughts and our subconscious can diverge. He calls this the 2D world vs the 3D world. In the 2D world, attacking George W. Bush using democratic talking points and angrily suicide bombing his opponents looks seems like a horrible play. In the 3D world Trump is linking his anger with his opponents. The appeal of Trumps anger is one of the few things mainstream punditry has gotten right in this electipn. Trump is the exact personification of how the majority of GOP voters feel about government and the state of our country in general, which is why so many things which would sink other candidates bounce right off him. We all say stupid things when we're angry and Trump is right to be angry.

This election is about Trump. Even if someone else wins, the story of the primary was the story of Trump, and he knows this. Trump was angry but he really only reacted angrily to Bush and to Cruz. Rubio, Kasich, and Carson were mostly left alone. In the minds of most republican voters, Jeb is synonymous with "loser" (although a few more performances like last night where he actually showed some spine could help fix that). The headlines tomorrow and the stories that follow those headlines will talk about how Trump went after Jeb and Cruz, linking Cruz, his primary competition, with the man regarded as a complete loser and a failure

In the 2D world, flipping out and calling Cruz a liar seems like a bad play. In the 3D world, Cruz simply comes off as a liar and a sleeze. The type of guy who works on a used car dealership. Even the people who like him see this and just suppress this instinct because he is very good at presenting himself, but he is just incredibly unlikable and it shows. The average person might be uninformed and ignorant about many things on an intellectual level but intelligence is not the only gift evolution endowed us with and we also have hundreds of millions of years of evolution that have created warning bells. Built in bullshitt detectors. Cruz sets off every one of those warning bells, sorry to say.

Reminding the voters of the complete untrustworthiness of Cruz in a way that they cannot forget discredits everything Cruz has to say about Trump or any of the other candidates.

Do you think trumps anger is a deliberate strategy or more of a spur of the moment unplanned reaction to the situation he finds himself in during the debates?

Personally I think it's a deliberate and planned strategy.
thett3
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2/14/2016 6:00:51 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/14/2016 11:54:56 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
Also, Trump is the master of the art of "Repetition is Truth"

How many times has the public heard "Bush lied people died?" over the last 15 years?

Doesn't matter if you vote red or blue, your brain is wired to trigger when you hear that phrase. Trump pulls that trigger.

Trump knows all the triggers.

Probably, but I think a large part of it is not even any kind of manipulation, but rather the fact that Trump actually *was* angry.

He's from New York and has been a big player in the city for decades. He undoubtedly lost many, many friends in the attack and watched two iconic buildings that he'd known since childhood come down. This happened under Bush's watch, and then Bush got us into two multi-trillion dollar wars that we lost. Bush kept us safe? Bullsh1t.

Then he's booed by the crowd for saying objectively true statements like "There were not WMD's in Iraq" and for talking about how he lost friends in a terrorist attack. The audience booed him for that. And as if that wasn't enough, he's surrounded by politicians, the type of people who got us into this mess and these politicians have the gall to tell out and out lies about him.

He was definitely actually angry. And I don't blame him one bit, and I don't think the voters will either.


15 years from now, Trump's "Make America Great" will just be another trigger in the long list of the American political arsenal of buzzphrases.

The ammunition is there for any politician smart enough to know how to properly use the political arsenal of trigger phrases. And the real beauty of it all is that it really doesn't matter whether Red or Blue puts these triggers in the stockpile. It's there; and elections are won with the triggering of the primordial subconscious. The vast majority of voters are intellectually lazy and embrace the idea of a representative democracy for the sake of convenience. Trump is that convenient representative.
DDO Vice President

#StandwithBossy

#UnbanTheMadman

#BetOnThett

"Don't quote me, ever." -Max

"My name is max. I'm not a big fan of slacks"- Max rapping

"Walmart should have the opportunity to bribe a politician to it's agenda" -Max

"Thett, you're really good at convincing people you're a decent person"-tulle

"You fit the character of Regina George quite nicely"- Sam

: At 11/12/2016 11:49:40 PM, Raisor wrote:
: thett was right