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2/17/2016 7:32:15 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
http://www.salon.com...

Let me start off by saying that 1) I dont normally ever cite Salon because its a trash website, and i hope to never cite it again ever....... And 2) I have no idea who Robert Reich is nor will I likely remember his name after this, I just am floating his belief here on DDO because I find it interesting.

Basically, an economist has concluded that the GOP as we know it is dead/no longer functioning, and has believes it has been replaced with 6 factions who are currently all at war with each other. The 6 factions that HE listed are in the link above, which differ slightly from the 6 that I list below.

1 - Evangelicals opposed to abortion, gay marriage, and probably evolution (The Ted Cruz crowd)

2 - Libertarians opposed to any government constraint on private behavior. (The Ron and Rand Paul crowd)

3 - The Uber-rich folk who are supporting and donating to whichever candidate will give them the biggest tax cut (Evidently that's the Rubio crowd http://www.cnbc.com... )

4 - The moderate leaning group who are indeed conservative but see Democrats merely as the opponents whereas others see them as sworn enemies (The Kasich crowd)

6 - The mad-as-sh*t lower class who are up in arms at 'the establishment' and are the ones throwing their weight behind candidates with 0 experience in political office. (The Trump and Carson crowd, also the Cruz crowd to an extent)

Thoughts?
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2/17/2016 7:49:49 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
What's number 5? Numbers 2 and 3 can be lumped together as general cuckservatives that view all foreigners as capable Americans just waiting to come here to bless us with their diversity (whatever the reason, these "blessings" always turn out to boil down to the desire for cheap immigrant labor).

The list is missing the Alt-Right/nationalists faction: Those who support whichever candidate speaks to Americans as a nation rather than a voting bloc and pledges to put the priorities and concerns of native-born Americans above non-Americans in far away lands.
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2/17/2016 7:54:06 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/17/2016 7:49:49 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
What's number 5?

Oh number 5 in the original link was 'Corporate and Wall Street titans', but I combined that group with number 6 since I dont see the difference between them. I then accidentally left it at 6 instead of 5, though im sure there is another faction I missed.

The list is missing the Alt-Right/nationalists faction

Oh right. The ultra-patriot Tea Party faction. F*ck how could I forget THAT one XD
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2/17/2016 8:48:19 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
I would be part of group 4 :D

I think that this is an over-exaggeration. It has just been a vicious primary. I think that once the Republicans have their candidate, they can begin to heal and form a more integrated national party that appeals to these factions. If we end up with a very divisive figure as the GOP nominee, OR if the infighting continues unabated, then the party won't heal, but it definitely can.
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2/17/2016 8:53:48 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/17/2016 8:48:19 PM, Contra wrote:
I would be part of group 4 :D

I think that this is an over-exaggeration. It has just been a vicious primary. I think that once the Republicans have their candidate, they can begin to heal and form a more integrated national party that appeals to these factions. If we end up with a very divisive figure as the GOP nominee, OR if the infighting continues unabated, then the party won't heal, but it definitely can.

I seriously doubt there will ever be a reconciliation between crony establishment GOP and the real conservatives.
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2/17/2016 9:03:00 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/17/2016 8:53:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:48:19 PM, Contra wrote:
I would be part of group 4 :D

I think that this is an over-exaggeration. It has just been a vicious primary. I think that once the Republicans have their candidate, they can begin to heal and form a more integrated national party that appeals to these factions. If we end up with a very divisive figure as the GOP nominee, OR if the infighting continues unabated, then the party won't heal, but it definitely can.

I seriously doubt there will ever be a reconciliation between crony establishment GOP and the real conservatives.

Well, they won't work together in perfect harmony. I am naively optimistic that they can get along well enough against Hillary Clinton/ Bernie Sanders though.
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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2/17/2016 9:21:01 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/17/2016 9:03:00 PM, Contra wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:53:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:48:19 PM, Contra wrote:
I would be part of group 4 :D

I think that this is an over-exaggeration. It has just been a vicious primary. I think that once the Republicans have their candidate, they can begin to heal and form a more integrated national party that appeals to these factions. If we end up with a very divisive figure as the GOP nominee, OR if the infighting continues unabated, then the party won't heal, but it definitely can.

I seriously doubt there will ever be a reconciliation between crony establishment GOP and the real conservatives.

Well, they won't work together in perfect harmony. I am naively optimistic that they can get along well enough against Hillary Clinton/ Bernie Sanders though.

I disagree. Crony Establishment is a bigger threat than Socialism. At least with socialism you can get a cookie for not being able to move upward. You get nothing but a kick in the balls from the other group.
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2/17/2016 10:24:44 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/17/2016 9:03:00 PM, Contra wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:53:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:48:19 PM, Contra wrote:
I would be part of group 4 :D

I think that this is an over-exaggeration. It has just been a vicious primary. I think that once the Republicans have their candidate, they can begin to heal and form a more integrated national party that appeals to these factions. If we end up with a very divisive figure as the GOP nominee, OR if the infighting continues unabated, then the party won't heal, but it definitely can.

I seriously doubt there will ever be a reconciliation between crony establishment GOP and the real conservatives.

Well, they won't work together in perfect harmony. I am naively optimistic that they can get along well enough against Hillary Clinton/ Bernie Sanders though.

The infighting in the GOP has been brewing for years now though, this isnt just a bump in the road for them. When McCain and Palin lost in 08 to Obama, moderate Republicans thought that Palin didnt help their case, whereas the ultra right wing thought Palin was fantastic and that McCain was a poor pick.

The only way the GOP can come together anytime soon is if Fox News reorganizes its newscasts/brainwashing seminars to push people back towards moderation or even further towards the ultra-right
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2/17/2016 10:26:47 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/17/2016 10:24:44 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/17/2016 9:03:00 PM, Contra wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:53:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:48:19 PM, Contra wrote:
I would be part of group 4 :D

I think that this is an over-exaggeration. It has just been a vicious primary. I think that once the Republicans have their candidate, they can begin to heal and form a more integrated national party that appeals to these factions. If we end up with a very divisive figure as the GOP nominee, OR if the infighting continues unabated, then the party won't heal, but it definitely can.

I seriously doubt there will ever be a reconciliation between crony establishment GOP and the real conservatives.

Well, they won't work together in perfect harmony. I am naively optimistic that they can get along well enough against Hillary Clinton/ Bernie Sanders though.

The infighting in the GOP has been brewing for years now though, this isnt just a bump in the road for them. When McCain and Palin lost in 08 to Obama, moderate Republicans thought that Palin didnt help their case, whereas the ultra right wing thought Palin was fantastic and that McCain was a poor pick.

The only way the GOP can come together anytime soon is if Fox News reorganizes its newscasts/brainwashing seminars to push people back towards moderation or even further towards the ultra-right

In this case, moderate means crony.
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2/17/2016 10:30:37 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Just to be clear, the establishment Dems like Queen Royale Clinton are just as crony, except they are not afraid of handing out the bread and circuses to ensure that their voters won't care.

Moderate crony GOP has no such diversions, it was only a matter of time before that bomb blew up.
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2/17/2016 10:50:58 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/17/2016 7:32:15 PM, imabench wrote:
http://www.salon.com...

Let me start off by saying that 1) I dont normally ever cite Salon because its a trash website, and i hope to never cite it again ever....... And 2) I have no idea who Robert Reich is nor will I likely remember his name after this, I just am floating his belief here on DDO because I find it interesting.

Basically, an economist has concluded that the GOP as we know it is dead/no longer functioning, and has believes it has been replaced with 6 factions who are currently all at war with each other. The 6 factions that HE listed are in the link above, which differ slightly from the 6 that I list below.

1 - Evangelicals opposed to abortion, gay marriage, and probably evolution (The Ted Cruz crowd)

2 - Libertarians opposed to any government constraint on private behavior. (The Ron and Rand Paul crowd)

3 - The Uber-rich folk who are supporting and donating to whichever candidate will give them the biggest tax cut (Evidently that's the Rubio crowd http://www.cnbc.com... )

4 - The moderate leaning group who are indeed conservative but see Democrats merely as the opponents whereas others see them as sworn enemies (The Kasich crowd)

6 - The mad-as-sh*t lower class who are up in arms at 'the establishment' and are the ones throwing their weight behind candidates with 0 experience in political office. (The Trump and Carson crowd, also the Cruz crowd to an extent)

Thoughts?

I am a nice mix between 2, 4, and 6. I am a Libertarian puke who wanted rand to win, but I don't view democrats as an enemy -- just people with opposing views. I relate to 6 in an odd way: I don't like Trump/other unexperienced politicians and am definitely not mad, but I do greatly dislike the current establishment.
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2/17/2016 11:03:35 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/17/2016 10:24:44 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/17/2016 9:03:00 PM, Contra wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:53:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:48:19 PM, Contra wrote:
I would be part of group 4 :D

I think that this is an over-exaggeration. It has just been a vicious primary. I think that once the Republicans have their candidate, they can begin to heal and form a more integrated national party that appeals to these factions. If we end up with a very divisive figure as the GOP nominee, OR if the infighting continues unabated, then the party won't heal, but it definitely can.

I seriously doubt there will ever be a reconciliation between crony establishment GOP and the real conservatives.

Well, they won't work together in perfect harmony. I am naively optimistic that they can get along well enough against Hillary Clinton/ Bernie Sanders though.

The infighting in the GOP has been brewing for years now though, this isnt just a bump in the road for them. When McCain and Palin lost in 08 to Obama, moderate Republicans thought that Palin didnt help their case, whereas the ultra right wing thought Palin was fantastic and that McCain was a poor pick.

The only way the GOP can come together anytime soon is if Fox News reorganizes its newscasts/brainwashing seminars to push people back towards moderation or even further towards the ultra-right

I think you are (as always) being a bit unfair towards the average conservative. If you ever wanted to sway a conservative to your side you would have to actually recognize their problems and why they are republicans, not just discount them as FOX news watching, racist hillbillies, you know? I mean I realize there are a lot of liberals who are extremely intelligent people (such as yourself), and I realize there are a lot of people that vote democrat so they can keep the welfare checks coming or because their union gives them a sheet of paper and they vote whatever is on that piece of paper (like my father used to), but I don't discount democratic issues, income inequality is a problem, so is racism, etc.
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2/18/2016 12:30:51 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/17/2016 7:32:15 PM, imabench wrote:
http://www.salon.com...

Let me start off by saying that 1) I dont normally ever cite Salon because its a trash website, and i hope to never cite it again ever....... And 2) I have no idea who Robert Reich is nor will I likely remember his name after this, I just am floating his belief here on DDO because I find it interesting.

Basically, an economist has concluded that the GOP as we know it is dead/no longer functioning, and has believes it has been replaced with 6 factions who are currently all at war with each other. The 6 factions that HE listed are in the link above, which differ slightly from the 6 that I list below.

1 - Evangelicals opposed to abortion, gay marriage, and probably evolution (The Ted Cruz crowd)

2 - Libertarians opposed to any government constraint on private behavior. (The Ron and Rand Paul crowd)

3 - The Uber-rich folk who are supporting and donating to whichever candidate will give them the biggest tax cut (Evidently that's the Rubio crowd http://www.cnbc.com... )

4 - The moderate leaning group who are indeed conservative but see Democrats merely as the opponents whereas others see them as sworn enemies (The Kasich crowd)

6 - The mad-as-sh*t lower class who are up in arms at 'the establishment' and are the ones throwing their weight behind candidates with 0 experience in political office. (The Trump and Carson crowd, also the Cruz crowd to an extent)

Thoughts?

I just put them into one group: idiots
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2/18/2016 12:34:44 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
My thoughts on the matter, I would agree that deep factionalism is occurring in the GOP ( Indeed I would argue the same occurring in the DNC as well, but not to the same extent) however I do not think that your division of the party is accurate. If I myself were to divide the party I would do so in the following manner.

1. The evangelical Christians ( people like Carson and Huckabee)

2. The Bush republicans ( Rubio and Christie)

3. The libertarians ( Paul)

4. The new age republicans ( Kaisich and Fiorna)

5. The populists ( Trump)

Note that most conservatives can be quite fluid between these factions and few people are ever strictly in one or the other. This is especially true with the populists; libertarians; and evangelists.

The reason I say this is because the populists are are often also libertarians and vice versa. The Evangelists tend to be present in all factions. I myself identify more with the evangelists and the new age republicans ( and ever so slightly with the populists). Wrap that all up and I want Rubio to win :)

To the outside viewer, they may call it weird, but we who know what's going on call it politics.
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2/18/2016 12:40:59 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/17/2016 10:24:44 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/17/2016 9:03:00 PM, Contra wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:53:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:48:19 PM, Contra wrote:
I would be part of group 4 :D

I think that this is an over-exaggeration. It has just been a vicious primary. I think that once the Republicans have their candidate, they can begin to heal and form a more integrated national party that appeals to these factions. If we end up with a very divisive figure as the GOP nominee, OR if the infighting continues unabated, then the party won't heal, but it definitely can.

I seriously doubt there will ever be a reconciliation between crony establishment GOP and the real conservatives.

Well, they won't work together in perfect harmony. I am naively optimistic that they can get along well enough against Hillary Clinton/ Bernie Sanders though.

The infighting in the GOP has been brewing for years now though, this isnt just a bump in the road for them. When McCain and Palin lost in 08 to Obama, moderate Republicans thought that Palin didnt help their case, whereas the ultra right wing thought Palin was fantastic and that McCain was a poor pick.

The only way the GOP can come together anytime soon is if Fox News reorganizes its newscasts/brainwashing seminars to push people back towards moderation or even further towards the ultra-right

I am blown away that they think the problem with McCain and Romney was that they were "to liberal".
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2/18/2016 12:43:01 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 12:40:59 AM, TBR wrote:
At 2/17/2016 10:24:44 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/17/2016 9:03:00 PM, Contra wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:53:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:48:19 PM, Contra wrote:
I would be part of group 4 :D

I think that this is an over-exaggeration. It has just been a vicious primary. I think that once the Republicans have their candidate, they can begin to heal and form a more integrated national party that appeals to these factions. If we end up with a very divisive figure as the GOP nominee, OR if the infighting continues unabated, then the party won't heal, but it definitely can.

I seriously doubt there will ever be a reconciliation between crony establishment GOP and the real conservatives.

Well, they won't work together in perfect harmony. I am naively optimistic that they can get along well enough against Hillary Clinton/ Bernie Sanders though.

The infighting in the GOP has been brewing for years now though, this isnt just a bump in the road for them. When McCain and Palin lost in 08 to Obama, moderate Republicans thought that Palin didnt help their case, whereas the ultra right wing thought Palin was fantastic and that McCain was a poor pick.

The only way the GOP can come together anytime soon is if Fox News reorganizes its newscasts/brainwashing seminars to push people back towards moderation or even further towards the ultra-right

I am blown away that they think the problem with McCain and Romney was that they were "to liberal".

You know, if Kaisich had more support I would want him to win.
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2/18/2016 12:52:42 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
All 6 of these groups know that the democrats will win the election if they don't all work together. This will unite them all.
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2/18/2016 1:07:22 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 12:43:01 AM, labarum wrote:
At 2/18/2016 12:40:59 AM, TBR wrote:
At 2/17/2016 10:24:44 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/17/2016 9:03:00 PM, Contra wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:53:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:48:19 PM, Contra wrote:
I would be part of group 4 :D

I think that this is an over-exaggeration. It has just been a vicious primary. I think that once the Republicans have their candidate, they can begin to heal and form a more integrated national party that appeals to these factions. If we end up with a very divisive figure as the GOP nominee, OR if the infighting continues unabated, then the party won't heal, but it definitely can.

I seriously doubt there will ever be a reconciliation between crony establishment GOP and the real conservatives.

Well, they won't work together in perfect harmony. I am naively optimistic that they can get along well enough against Hillary Clinton/ Bernie Sanders though.

The infighting in the GOP has been brewing for years now though, this isnt just a bump in the road for them. When McCain and Palin lost in 08 to Obama, moderate Republicans thought that Palin didnt help their case, whereas the ultra right wing thought Palin was fantastic and that McCain was a poor pick.

The only way the GOP can come together anytime soon is if Fox News reorganizes its newscasts/brainwashing seminars to push people back towards moderation or even further towards the ultra-right

I am blown away that they think the problem with McCain and Romney was that they were "to liberal".

You know, if Kaisich had more support I would want him to win.

And I could live with Kaisich. Look. As rabid as the rhetoric has been re: Obama, he is/was/always be moderate.
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2/18/2016 1:31:23 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 1:07:22 AM, TBR wrote:
At 2/18/2016 12:43:01 AM, labarum wrote:
At 2/18/2016 12:40:59 AM, TBR wrote:
At 2/17/2016 10:24:44 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/17/2016 9:03:00 PM, Contra wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:53:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:48:19 PM, Contra wrote:
I would be part of group 4 :D

I think that this is an over-exaggeration. It has just been a vicious primary. I think that once the Republicans have their candidate, they can begin to heal and form a more integrated national party that appeals to these factions. If we end up with a very divisive figure as the GOP nominee, OR if the infighting continues unabated, then the party won't heal, but it definitely can.

I seriously doubt there will ever be a reconciliation between crony establishment GOP and the real conservatives.

Well, they won't work together in perfect harmony. I am naively optimistic that they can get along well enough against Hillary Clinton/ Bernie Sanders though.

The infighting in the GOP has been brewing for years now though, this isnt just a bump in the road for them. When McCain and Palin lost in 08 to Obama, moderate Republicans thought that Palin didnt help their case, whereas the ultra right wing thought Palin was fantastic and that McCain was a poor pick.

The only way the GOP can come together anytime soon is if Fox News reorganizes its newscasts/brainwashing seminars to push people back towards moderation or even further towards the ultra-right

I am blown away that they think the problem with McCain and Romney was that they were "to liberal".

You know, if Kaisich had more support I would want him to win.

And I could live with Kaisich. Look. As rabid as the rhetoric has been re: Obama, he is/was/always be a moderate crony.

fixed.
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2/18/2016 3:17:26 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/17/2016 10:24:44 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/17/2016 9:03:00 PM, Contra wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:53:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:48:19 PM, Contra wrote:
I would be part of group 4 :D

I think that this is an over-exaggeration. It has just been a vicious primary. I think that once the Republicans have their candidate, they can begin to heal and form a more integrated national party that appeals to these factions. If we end up with a very divisive figure as the GOP nominee, OR if the infighting continues unabated, then the party won't heal, but it definitely can.

I seriously doubt there will ever be a reconciliation between crony establishment GOP and the real conservatives.

Well, they won't work together in perfect harmony. I am naively optimistic that they can get along well enough against Hillary Clinton/ Bernie Sanders though.

The infighting in the GOP has been brewing for years now though, this isnt just a bump in the road for them. When McCain and Palin lost in 08 to Obama, moderate Republicans thought that Palin didnt help their case, whereas the ultra right wing thought Palin was fantastic and that McCain was a poor pick.

The only way the GOP can come together anytime soon is if Fox News reorganizes its newscasts/brainwashing seminars to push people back towards moderation or even further towards the ultra-right

Is it electronic media (Fox News/ rabid right-wing commentators, etc.) who are pushing this polarization, or are voters just sick of legislative deadlock and are adopting more extreme positions? Probably some of both, but I think that the latter is the chief reason, the former just adding fuel to the fire.
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"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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2/18/2016 3:17:53 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/17/2016 10:30:37 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Just to be clear, the establishment Dems like Queen Royale Clinton are just as crony, except they are not afraid of handing out the bread and circuses to ensure that their voters won't care.

Moderate crony GOP has no such diversions, it was only a matter of time before that bomb blew up.

Moderate, center-right Republicans can be against crony capitalism as well...
"The solution [for Republicans] is to admit that Bush was a bad president, stop this racist homophobic stuff, stop trying to give most of the tax cuts to the rich, propose a real alternative to Obamacare that actually works, and propose smart free market solutions to our economic problems." - Distraff

"Americans are better off in a dynamic, free-enterprise-based economy that fosters economic growth, opportunity and upward mobility." - Paul Ryan
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2/18/2016 6:01:11 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/17/2016 7:32:15 PM, imabench wrote:
http://www.salon.com...

Let me start off by saying that 1) I dont normally ever cite Salon because its a trash website, and i hope to never cite it again ever....... And 2) I have no idea who Robert Reich is nor will I likely remember his name after this, I just am floating his belief here on DDO because I find it interesting.

Basically, an economist has concluded that the GOP as we know it is dead/no longer functioning, and has believes it has been replaced with 6 factions who are currently all at war with each other. The 6 factions that HE listed are in the link above, which differ slightly from the 6 that I list below.

1 - Evangelicals opposed to abortion, gay marriage, and probably evolution (The Ted Cruz crowd)

2 - Libertarians opposed to any government constraint on private behavior. (The Ron and Rand Paul crowd)

3 - The Uber-rich folk who are supporting and donating to whichever candidate will give them the biggest tax cut (Evidently that's the Rubio crowd http://www.cnbc.com... )

4 - The moderate leaning group who are indeed conservative but see Democrats merely as the opponents whereas others see them as sworn enemies (The Kasich crowd)

6 - The mad-as-sh*t lower class who are up in arms at 'the establishment' and are the ones throwing their weight behind candidates with 0 experience in political office. (The Trump and Carson crowd, also the Cruz crowd to an extent)

Thoughts?

I know educated ppl who like Trump.

And I vote for efficiency and our country's ability to compete.

I don't know about Rubio, but if I remember correctly CNBC had an article looking to prove that the rich were "hoarding their money". Since this shows that the writer managed to forget how banks work, I would be skeptical about what they say.
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2/18/2016 11:18:00 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
The GOP has morphed into something to keep Liberalism from destroying our country.
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2/19/2016 12:31:56 AM
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You're forgetting about the Pro-National Security crowd. The people who support all or most measures implemented by Bush in the War on Terror. The people who support mass surveillance and enhanced interrogation techniques and stuff like that.
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2/19/2016 2:24:30 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 3:17:26 AM, Contra wrote:
At 2/17/2016 10:24:44 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/17/2016 9:03:00 PM, Contra wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:53:48 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/17/2016 8:48:19 PM, Contra wrote:
I would be part of group 4 :D

I think that this is an over-exaggeration. It has just been a vicious primary. I think that once the Republicans have their candidate, they can begin to heal and form a more integrated national party that appeals to these factions. If we end up with a very divisive figure as the GOP nominee, OR if the infighting continues unabated, then the party won't heal, but it definitely can.

I seriously doubt there will ever be a reconciliation between crony establishment GOP and the real conservatives.

Well, they won't work together in perfect harmony. I am naively optimistic that they can get along well enough against Hillary Clinton/ Bernie Sanders though.

The infighting in the GOP has been brewing for years now though, this isnt just a bump in the road for them. When McCain and Palin lost in 08 to Obama, moderate Republicans thought that Palin didnt help their case, whereas the ultra right wing thought Palin was fantastic and that McCain was a poor pick.

The only way the GOP can come together anytime soon is if Fox News reorganizes its newscasts/brainwashing seminars to push people back towards moderation or even further towards the ultra-right

Is it electronic media (Fox News/ rabid right-wing commentators, etc.) who are pushing this polarization, or are voters just sick of legislative deadlock and are adopting more extreme positions? Probably some of both, but I think that the latter is the chief reason, the former just adding fuel to the fire.

It's a shame that extremism is exactly what caused the deadlock in the first place, and yet people continue wanting more of it.
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2/19/2016 2:24:52 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/18/2016 12:30:51 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 2/17/2016 7:32:15 PM, imabench wrote:
http://www.salon.com...

Let me start off by saying that 1) I dont normally ever cite Salon because its a trash website, and i hope to never cite it again ever....... And 2) I have no idea who Robert Reich is nor will I likely remember his name after this, I just am floating his belief here on DDO because I find it interesting.

Basically, an economist has concluded that the GOP as we know it is dead/no longer functioning, and has believes it has been replaced with 6 factions who are currently all at war with each other. The 6 factions that HE listed are in the link above, which differ slightly from the 6 that I list below.

1 - Evangelicals opposed to abortion, gay marriage, and probably evolution (The Ted Cruz crowd)

2 - Libertarians opposed to any government constraint on private behavior. (The Ron and Rand Paul crowd)

3 - The Uber-rich folk who are supporting and donating to whichever candidate will give them the biggest tax cut (Evidently that's the Rubio crowd http://www.cnbc.com... )

4 - The moderate leaning group who are indeed conservative but see Democrats merely as the opponents whereas others see them as sworn enemies (The Kasich crowd)

6 - The mad-as-sh*t lower class who are up in arms at 'the establishment' and are the ones throwing their weight behind candidates with 0 experience in political office. (The Trump and Carson crowd, also the Cruz crowd to an extent)

Thoughts?

I just put them into one group: idiots

This is why people hate liberals.
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2/19/2016 2:33:17 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 2:24:52 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/18/2016 12:30:51 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 2/17/2016 7:32:15 PM, imabench wrote:
http://www.salon.com...

Let me start off by saying that 1) I dont normally ever cite Salon because its a trash website, and i hope to never cite it again ever....... And 2) I have no idea who Robert Reich is nor will I likely remember his name after this, I just am floating his belief here on DDO because I find it interesting.

Basically, an economist has concluded that the GOP as we know it is dead/no longer functioning, and has believes it has been replaced with 6 factions who are currently all at war with each other. The 6 factions that HE listed are in the link above, which differ slightly from the 6 that I list below.

1 - Evangelicals opposed to abortion, gay marriage, and probably evolution (The Ted Cruz crowd)

2 - Libertarians opposed to any government constraint on private behavior. (The Ron and Rand Paul crowd)

3 - The Uber-rich folk who are supporting and donating to whichever candidate will give them the biggest tax cut (Evidently that's the Rubio crowd http://www.cnbc.com... )

4 - The moderate leaning group who are indeed conservative but see Democrats merely as the opponents whereas others see them as sworn enemies (The Kasich crowd)

6 - The mad-as-sh*t lower class who are up in arms at 'the establishment' and are the ones throwing their weight behind candidates with 0 experience in political office. (The Trump and Carson crowd, also the Cruz crowd to an extent)

Thoughts?

I just put them into one group: idiots

This is why people hate liberals.

Just telling the truth man
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2/19/2016 2:37:07 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 2:33:17 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 2/19/2016 2:24:52 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/18/2016 12:30:51 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 2/17/2016 7:32:15 PM, imabench wrote:
http://www.salon.com...

Let me start off by saying that 1) I dont normally ever cite Salon because its a trash website, and i hope to never cite it again ever....... And 2) I have no idea who Robert Reich is nor will I likely remember his name after this, I just am floating his belief here on DDO because I find it interesting.

Basically, an economist has concluded that the GOP as we know it is dead/no longer functioning, and has believes it has been replaced with 6 factions who are currently all at war with each other. The 6 factions that HE listed are in the link above, which differ slightly from the 6 that I list below.

1 - Evangelicals opposed to abortion, gay marriage, and probably evolution (The Ted Cruz crowd)

2 - Libertarians opposed to any government constraint on private behavior. (The Ron and Rand Paul crowd)

3 - The Uber-rich folk who are supporting and donating to whichever candidate will give them the biggest tax cut (Evidently that's the Rubio crowd http://www.cnbc.com... )

4 - The moderate leaning group who are indeed conservative but see Democrats merely as the opponents whereas others see them as sworn enemies (The Kasich crowd)

6 - The mad-as-sh*t lower class who are up in arms at 'the establishment' and are the ones throwing their weight behind candidates with 0 experience in political office. (The Trump and Carson crowd, also the Cruz crowd to an extent)

Thoughts?

I just put them into one group: idiots

This is why people hate liberals.

Just telling the truth man

You're really not. But feel free to try taking on Contra or Cole if you truly believe that.
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2/19/2016 2:41:50 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 2:37:07 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/19/2016 2:33:17 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 2/19/2016 2:24:52 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/18/2016 12:30:51 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 2/17/2016 7:32:15 PM, imabench wrote:
http://www.salon.com...

Let me start off by saying that 1) I dont normally ever cite Salon because its a trash website, and i hope to never cite it again ever....... And 2) I have no idea who Robert Reich is nor will I likely remember his name after this, I just am floating his belief here on DDO because I find it interesting.

Basically, an economist has concluded that the GOP as we know it is dead/no longer functioning, and has believes it has been replaced with 6 factions who are currently all at war with each other. The 6 factions that HE listed are in the link above, which differ slightly from the 6 that I list below.

1 - Evangelicals opposed to abortion, gay marriage, and probably evolution (The Ted Cruz crowd)

2 - Libertarians opposed to any government constraint on private behavior. (The Ron and Rand Paul crowd)

3 - The Uber-rich folk who are supporting and donating to whichever candidate will give them the biggest tax cut (Evidently that's the Rubio crowd http://www.cnbc.com... )

4 - The moderate leaning group who are indeed conservative but see Democrats merely as the opponents whereas others see them as sworn enemies (The Kasich crowd)

6 - The mad-as-sh*t lower class who are up in arms at 'the establishment' and are the ones throwing their weight behind candidates with 0 experience in political office. (The Trump and Carson crowd, also the Cruz crowd to an extent)

Thoughts?

I just put them into one group: idiots

This is why people hate liberals.

Just telling the truth man

You're really not. But feel free to try taking on Contra or Cole if you truly believe that.

I will debate any on my skill level on this issue
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