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2/19/2016 5:09:13 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 5:05:27 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
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He's like Anne Coulter's Sith apprentice.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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2/19/2016 5:12:29 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
The Pope said Trump was not a Christian, because Christians don't build walls. Trumps reply Vatican city is 100% surrounded by walls.

BTW, Pope Francis, Bernie is the one who is not a Christian, get your facts straight.
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2/19/2016 5:15:37 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 5:12:29 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
The Pope said Trump was not a Christian, because Christians don't build walls. Trumps reply Vatican city is 100% surrounded by walls.

BTW, Pope Francis, Bernie is the one who is not a Christian, get your facts straight.

Lol, I saw that. They're not just any walls either, but like the most exclusive we-don't-want-you-peasant-in-here walls ever.
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2/19/2016 5:24:04 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
Making the internet great again.
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And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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2/19/2016 5:35:46 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
To be fair to the Pope, it's not like he had much choice in the matter. I'm sure the walls have been there for centuries. If it was up to him, he might very well have decided against putting them up. In any case, it's different when we're talking about arguably the most important religious figure alive, who obviously needs to be protected from assassins and such.
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2/19/2016 1:22:49 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 5:35:46 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
To be fair to the Pope, it's not like he had much choice in the matter. I'm sure the walls have been there for centuries. If it was up to him, he might very well have decided against putting them up. In any case, it's different when we're talking about arguably the most important religious figure alive, who obviously needs to be protected from assassins and such.

That's the point. It's ok to protect the elites, but screw the riffraff.
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2/19/2016 5:52:10 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 1:22:49 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:35:46 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
To be fair to the Pope, it's not like he had much choice in the matter. I'm sure the walls have been there for centuries. If it was up to him, he might very well have decided against putting them up. In any case, it's different when we're talking about arguably the most important religious figure alive, who obviously needs to be protected from assassins and such.

That's the point. It's ok to protect the elites, but screw the riffraff.

Well, part of the reason that elites like the pope receive greater protection than the average person is that they are bigger targets. Plus their death would be more significant in geopolitical terms.
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2/19/2016 5:56:09 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 5:05:27 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
http://imgur.com...

Are you sure that's him? I thought his twitter account was REALDonaldTrump or something like that.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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2/19/2016 6:19:44 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 5:12:29 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
The Pope said Trump was not a Christian, because Christians don't build walls. Trumps reply Vatican city is 100% surrounded by walls.

BTW, Pope Francis, Bernie is the one who is not a Christian, get your facts straight.

No. That is not what the pope said. He said it was not christian, not that Trump was not a christian.
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2/19/2016 6:33:35 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 5:56:09 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:05:27 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
http://imgur.com...

Are you sure that's him? I thought his twitter account was REALDonaldTrump or something like that.

Crap I think you're right. Who bought the domain then?
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2/19/2016 6:36:44 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 6:19:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:12:29 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
The Pope said Trump was not a Christian, because Christians don't build walls. Trumps reply Vatican city is 100% surrounded by walls.

BTW, Pope Francis, Bernie is the one who is not a Christian, get your facts straight.

No. That is not what the pope said. He said it was not christian, not that Trump was not a christian.

Actually, the pope's words were, "A person who only thinks about building walls... is not Christian." He indeed directly suggested that Trump is not a Christian (pending of course his benefit of the doubt). . . that's what his statement plainly conveys and how everyone has understood it.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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2/19/2016 6:45:42 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 6:36:44 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:19:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:12:29 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
The Pope said Trump was not a Christian, because Christians don't build walls. Trumps reply Vatican city is 100% surrounded by walls.

BTW, Pope Francis, Bernie is the one who is not a Christian, get your facts straight.

No. That is not what the pope said. He said it was not christian, not that Trump was not a christian.

Actually, the pope's words were, "A person who only thinks about building walls... is not Christian." He indeed directly suggested that Trump is not a Christian (pending of course his benefit of the doubt). . . that's what his statement plainly conveys and how everyone has understood it.

You have added the "A christian" he said "not christian". The actions, not the man.
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2/19/2016 6:48:53 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 1:22:49 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:35:46 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
To be fair to the Pope, it's not like he had much choice in the matter. I'm sure the walls have been there for centuries. If it was up to him, he might very well have decided against putting them up. In any case, it's different when we're talking about arguably the most important religious figure alive, who obviously needs to be protected from assassins and such.

That's the point. It's ok to protect the elites, but screw the riffraff.

They should also allow anyone to be a citizen of Vatican City, not just people that work for the Holy See.

Vatican City has no bridges, only walls. A fortress of elites. Screw the riffraff.
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2/19/2016 6:57:47 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 6:48:53 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/19/2016 1:22:49 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:35:46 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
To be fair to the Pope, it's not like he had much choice in the matter. I'm sure the walls have been there for centuries. If it was up to him, he might very well have decided against putting them up. In any case, it's different when we're talking about arguably the most important religious figure alive, who obviously needs to be protected from assassins and such.

That's the point. It's ok to protect the elites, but screw the riffraff.

They should also allow anyone to be a citizen of Vatican City, not just people that work for the Holy See.

Vatican City has no bridges, only walls. A fortress of elites. Screw the riffraff.

Vatican City is like 100 acres. Bit tough to take in too many.
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2/19/2016 6:59:01 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 6:45:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:36:44 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:19:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:12:29 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
The Pope said Trump was not a Christian, because Christians don't build walls. Trumps reply Vatican city is 100% surrounded by walls.

BTW, Pope Francis, Bernie is the one who is not a Christian, get your facts straight.

No. That is not what the pope said. He said it was not christian, not that Trump was not a christian.

Actually, the pope's words were, "A person who only thinks about building walls... is not Christian." He indeed directly suggested that Trump is not a Christian (pending of course his benefit of the doubt). . . that's what his statement plainly conveys and how everyone has understood it.

You have added the "A christian" he said "not christian". The actions, not the man.

You're not paying attention to the grammatical logic of the statement. The simplest reduction of sentence reads "A Person ... is not Christian." The adjective christian is modifying the 'person' himself, not his actions or his words. The presence or absence of the article is irrelevant to the meaning.

And even if it were, the direct translation featured in this CNN video inserts the article. This statement wasn't delivered in English.
(http://www.nytimes.com...)

And like I said, there's pretty much unanimous agreement that the pope was adverting to Trump's christianity -- the only source of doubt being his qualification toward the end that he would extend the benefit of the doubt. Your interpretation is just incorrect.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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2/19/2016 7:07:42 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
And frankly the word 'interpretation' is rather charitable in this context. What you're offering is a reading of what the pope said. By the conventions of English grammar, your reading is just categorically incorrect.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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2/19/2016 7:19:41 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 6:57:47 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:48:53 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/19/2016 1:22:49 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:35:46 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
To be fair to the Pope, it's not like he had much choice in the matter. I'm sure the walls have been there for centuries. If it was up to him, he might very well have decided against putting them up. In any case, it's different when we're talking about arguably the most important religious figure alive, who obviously needs to be protected from assassins and such.

That's the point. It's ok to protect the elites, but screw the riffraff.

They should also allow anyone to be a citizen of Vatican City, not just people that work for the Holy See.

Vatican City has no bridges, only walls. A fortress of elites. Screw the riffraff.

Vatican City is like 100 acres. Bit tough to take in too many.

They take in zero people that don't work for the holy see. The epitome of elitism. And you thought America was elite for teaching English to immigrants....
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2/19/2016 7:25:50 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 7:19:41 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:57:47 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:48:53 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/19/2016 1:22:49 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:35:46 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
To be fair to the Pope, it's not like he had much choice in the matter. I'm sure the walls have been there for centuries. If it was up to him, he might very well have decided against putting them up. In any case, it's different when we're talking about arguably the most important religious figure alive, who obviously needs to be protected from assassins and such.

That's the point. It's ok to protect the elites, but screw the riffraff.

They should also allow anyone to be a citizen of Vatican City, not just people that work for the Holy See.

Vatican City has no bridges, only walls. A fortress of elites. Screw the riffraff.

Vatican City is like 100 acres. Bit tough to take in too many.

They take in zero people that don't work for the holy see. The epitome of elitism. And you thought America was elite for teaching English to immigrants....

I really couldn't care less about what the Vatican does, but I do think its silly to try to shame them because a country the size of a postage stamp is not known for accepting immigrants.

"But but.... What about YOU..." Please...
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2/19/2016 7:30:12 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 6:59:01 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:45:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:36:44 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:19:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:12:29 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
The Pope said Trump was not a Christian, because Christians don't build walls. Trumps reply Vatican city is 100% surrounded by walls.

BTW, Pope Francis, Bernie is the one who is not a Christian, get your facts straight.

No. That is not what the pope said. He said it was not christian, not that Trump was not a christian.

Actually, the pope's words were, "A person who only thinks about building walls... is not Christian." He indeed directly suggested that Trump is not a Christian (pending of course his benefit of the doubt). . . that's what his statement plainly conveys and how everyone has understood it.

You have added the "A christian" he said "not christian". The actions, not the man.

You're not paying attention to the grammatical logic of the statement. The simplest reduction of sentence reads "A Person ... is not Christian." The adjective christian is modifying the 'person' himself, not his actions or his words. The presence or absence of the article is irrelevant to the meaning.

And even if it were, the direct translation featured in this CNN video inserts the article. This statement wasn't delivered in English.
(http://www.nytimes.com...)

And like I said, there's pretty much unanimous agreement that the pope was adverting to Trump's christianity -- the only source of doubt being his qualification toward the end that he would extend the benefit of the doubt. Your interpretation is just incorrect.

Like the discussion of Vatican city, I don't really care. Trump is not a Christian, he is not behaving as a christian, not living by the Gospels, not following the teachings of Christ. Say it any way you like, he is a complete and total a$$.
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2/19/2016 7:34:01 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 7:30:12 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:59:01 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:45:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:36:44 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:19:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:12:29 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
The Pope said Trump was not a Christian, because Christians don't build walls. Trumps reply Vatican city is 100% surrounded by walls.

BTW, Pope Francis, Bernie is the one who is not a Christian, get your facts straight.

No. That is not what the pope said. He said it was not christian, not that Trump was not a christian.

Actually, the pope's words were, "A person who only thinks about building walls... is not Christian." He indeed directly suggested that Trump is not a Christian (pending of course his benefit of the doubt). . . that's what his statement plainly conveys and how everyone has understood it.

You have added the "A christian" he said "not christian". The actions, not the man.

You're not paying attention to the grammatical logic of the statement. The simplest reduction of sentence reads "A Person ... is not Christian." The adjective christian is modifying the 'person' himself, not his actions or his words. The presence or absence of the article is irrelevant to the meaning.

And even if it were, the direct translation featured in this CNN video inserts the article. This statement wasn't delivered in English.
(http://www.nytimes.com...)

And like I said, there's pretty much unanimous agreement that the pope was adverting to Trump's christianity -- the only source of doubt being his qualification toward the end that he would extend the benefit of the doubt. Your interpretation is just incorrect.

Like the discussion of Vatican city, I don't really care. Trump is not a Christian, he is not behaving as a christian, not living by the Gospels, not following the teachings of Christ. Say it any way you like, he is a complete and total a$$.

lol well of course, you and I are in total agreement on that point.

However, the argument you were defending was that the pope did not question Trump's faith -- which he very clearly did. I'm assuming this is a concession, then?
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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2/19/2016 7:37:56 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 7:25:50 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 7:19:41 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:57:47 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:48:53 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/19/2016 1:22:49 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:35:46 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
To be fair to the Pope, it's not like he had much choice in the matter. I'm sure the walls have been there for centuries. If it was up to him, he might very well have decided against putting them up. In any case, it's different when we're talking about arguably the most important religious figure alive, who obviously needs to be protected from assassins and such.

That's the point. It's ok to protect the elites, but screw the riffraff.

They should also allow anyone to be a citizen of Vatican City, not just people that work for the Holy See.

Vatican City has no bridges, only walls. A fortress of elites. Screw the riffraff.

Vatican City is like 100 acres. Bit tough to take in too many.

They take in zero people that don't work for the holy see. The epitome of elitism. And you thought America was elite for teaching English to immigrants....

I really couldn't care less about what the Pope does, but I do think its silly to try to shame them because a country the size of a postage stamp is not known for accepting immigrants.

I agree.
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2/19/2016 7:43:10 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 7:34:01 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/19/2016 7:30:12 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:59:01 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:45:42 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:36:44 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 2/19/2016 6:19:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:12:29 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
The Pope said Trump was not a Christian, because Christians don't build walls. Trumps reply Vatican city is 100% surrounded by walls.

BTW, Pope Francis, Bernie is the one who is not a Christian, get your facts straight.

No. That is not what the pope said. He said it was not christian, not that Trump was not a christian.

Actually, the pope's words were, "A person who only thinks about building walls... is not Christian." He indeed directly suggested that Trump is not a Christian (pending of course his benefit of the doubt). . . that's what his statement plainly conveys and how everyone has understood it.

You have added the "A christian" he said "not christian". The actions, not the man.

You're not paying attention to the grammatical logic of the statement. The simplest reduction of sentence reads "A Person ... is not Christian." The adjective christian is modifying the 'person' himself, not his actions or his words. The presence or absence of the article is irrelevant to the meaning.

And even if it were, the direct translation featured in this CNN video inserts the article. This statement wasn't delivered in English.
(http://www.nytimes.com...)

And like I said, there's pretty much unanimous agreement that the pope was adverting to Trump's christianity -- the only source of doubt being his qualification toward the end that he would extend the benefit of the doubt. Your interpretation is just incorrect.

Like the discussion of Vatican city, I don't really care. Trump is not a Christian, he is not behaving as a christian, not living by the Gospels, not following the teachings of Christ. Say it any way you like, he is a complete and total a$$.

lol well of course, you and I are in total agreement on that point.

However, the argument you were defending was that the pope did not question Trump's faith -- which he very clearly did. I'm assuming this is a concession, then?

If you like it is a concession. Reading the quote vs hearing it, sure. Either way, if we were to ask the Pope to clarify, the distinction is only a matter to Christians who make a big deal out of this sort of thing. I hear many Christians saying so and so is not a real Christian. I think the correct response is, they are not behaving as Christians, not that they are NOT Christians.
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2/19/2016 7:54:50 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 6:19:44 PM, TBR wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:12:29 AM, xus00HAY wrote:
The Pope said Trump was not a Christian, because Christians don't build walls. Trumps reply Vatican city is 100% surrounded by walls.

BTW, Pope Francis, Bernie is the one who is not a Christian, get your facts straight.

No. That is not what the pope said. He said it was not christian, not that Trump was not a christian.

Is the distinction that one is a set of moral values and the other is a thing you call yourself?
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2/19/2016 8:53:08 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 5:35:46 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
To be fair to the Pope, it's not like he had much choice in the matter. I'm sure the walls have been there for centuries. If it was up to him, he might very well have decided against putting them up. In any case, it's different when we're talking about arguably the most important religious figure alive, who obviously needs to be protected from assassins and such.

Ironically, the Vatican City walls were built in 846 by Pope Leo IV after St. Peter's Basilica was sacked by Muslim raiders.
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2/19/2016 11:07:00 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/19/2016 8:53:08 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
At 2/19/2016 5:35:46 AM, dylancatlow wrote:
To be fair to the Pope, it's not like he had much choice in the matter. I'm sure the walls have been there for centuries. If it was up to him, he might very well have decided against putting them up. In any case, it's different when we're talking about arguably the most important religious figure alive, who obviously needs to be protected from assassins and such.

Ironically, the Vatican City walls were built in 846 by Pope Leo IV after St. Peter's Basilica was sacked by Muslim raiders.

Real Christians build bridges and turn the other Basilica, not build walls....
http://biblehub.com...