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2/20/2016 5:45:49 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
Factcheck (which many conservatives prefer to the alternative Politifact) published a list of what it calls "whoppers" or egregious lies said by Donald Trump:

1. Trump boasted that he "predicted Osama bin Laden." Nope. The book Trump published in 2000 mentioned bin Laden once, and predicted nothing about bin Laden"s future plans.

2. Trump "heard" that Obama is "thinking about signing an executive order where he wants to take your guns away." If so, he misheard. What Obama reportedly considered was requiring large-volume private gun dealers to conduct background checks, not confiscating firearms from those who own them.

3. Trump said he "heard" the Obama administration plans to accept 200,000 Syrian refugees " even upping that wildly inaccurate number to 250,000 in another speech. Nope and nope. The number is about 10,000.

4. Trump said he got to know Putin "very well" while the two were on CBS" "60 Minutes." Nope. The two men were interviewed separately, in different countries thousands of miles apart.

5. Trump claimed his campaign is "100 percent" self-funded. Nope. At the time, more than 50 percent of his campaign"s funds had come from outside contributors.

6. Trump said his tax plan is revenue neutral. Nope. The pro-business Tax Foundation estimated the Trump plan would reduce revenues to the Treasury by more than $10 trillion over 10 years, even assuming his plan would create economic growth.

7. Trump told the story of a 2-year old who got autism a week after the child got a vaccine. But there"s no evidence of such a link. The study that claimed to have found a link between vaccines and autism has been exposed as an "elaborate fraud." It was retracted five years ago by the journal that published it, and the author was stripped of his license to practice medicine in Britain.

8. Trump said Mexico doesn"t have a birthright citizenship policy. It does.

9. Trump claimed credit for getting Ford Motor Co. to move a plant from Mexico to Ohio. Ford says that"s baloney; it made the decision years before Trump even announced his run for president.

10. Trump denied that he ever called female adversaries some of these things: "fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals." He used all of those terms.

11. Trump said in June "there are no jobs" to be had, when official statistics were showing 5.4 million job openings " the most in 15 years.

12. Trump claimed economic growth in the U.S. has "never" been below zero " until the third quarter of 2015. "Who ever heard of this?" he asked. Except it"s not unheard of. Economic growth has been below zero 42 times since 1946.
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2/20/2016 5:47:25 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
Forgot to quote the biggest one:

We start with his Nov. 21 claim to have watched on television as "thousands and thousands" of Muslims in New Jersey were "cheering" the fall of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. Multiple news organizations and the New Jersey attorney general"s office searched for evidence of public celebrations at the time of 9/11 and found none.
"Never happened," former state Attorney General John J. Farmer, a Republican appointee who later served as a senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission, wrote in response to Trump.
In a tweet, Trump demanded an apology, citing as evidence one news story about an alleged incident that was unattributed, unverified and not televised. One of the reporters on that story said he visited the "Jersey City building and neighborhood where the celebrations were purported to have happened," but he could "never verify that report."
And Trump"s false claim about "thousands and thousands" of Muslims is just part of a pattern of inflammatory claims with little or no basis in fact.
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2/20/2016 6:12:02 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/20/2016 5:47:25 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Forgot to quote the biggest one:

We start with his Nov. 21 claim to have watched on television as "thousands and thousands" of Muslims in New Jersey were "cheering" the fall of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. Multiple news organizations and the New Jersey attorney general"s office searched for evidence of public celebrations at the time of 9/11 and found none.
"Never happened," former state Attorney General John J. Farmer, a Republican appointee who later served as a senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission, wrote in response to Trump.
In a tweet, Trump demanded an apology, citing as evidence one news story about an alleged incident that was unattributed, unverified and not televised. One of the reporters on that story said he visited the "Jersey City building and neighborhood where the celebrations were purported to have happened," but he could "never verify that report."
And Trump"s false claim about "thousands and thousands" of Muslims is just part of a pattern of inflammatory claims with little or no basis in fact.

I can't believe America let that one slide. The most popular GOP candidate makes up an outrageous claim like that and can't be bothered to prove it, and everyone forgets in 2 days.
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2/20/2016 6:35:46 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/20/2016 5:45:49 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Factcheck (which many conservatives prefer to the alternative Politifact) published a list of what it calls "whoppers" or egregious lies said by Donald Trump:

This is where I get tired of Politifact.

1. Trump boasted that he "predicted Osama bin Laden." Nope. The book Trump published in 2000 mentioned bin Laden once, and predicted nothing about bin Laden"s future plans.

What Trump said is that he said during the Clinton administration that Clinton should have killed Bin Laden when he had the chance; he also said that Bush should have killed Bin Laden when he had the chance.

Even if Trump's 2000 book didn't mention Bin Laden more than once doesn't disprove what Trump said. Like, that much is obvious because there was far more that Trump said during the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration prior to 9/11 than what was recorded in a 2000 book.

Likewise, it may have been in the original book and then edited out by the editors.

These obvious things are what Politifact fails to account for, and they look for "gotcha" moments when in reality it's just grasping at straws.

2. Trump "heard" that Obama is "thinking about signing an executive order where he wants to take your guns away." If so, he misheard. What Obama reportedly considered was requiring large-volume private gun dealers to conduct background checks, not confiscating firearms from those who own them.

The fact that some other person heard something else does not mean that some first person didn't hear what Trump said. But, he probably did exaggerate. That doesn't mean that Politifact's fact check is even remotely valid.

3. Trump said he "heard" the Obama administration plans to accept 200,000 Syrian refugees " even upping that wildly inaccurate number to 250,000 in another speech. Nope and nope. The number is about 10,000.

The fact that some other person heard something else does not mean that some first person didn't hear what Trump said. But, he probably did exaggerate. That doesn't mean that Politifact's fact check is even remotely valid. In this context, Obama may have wanted 200,000 refugees (or, opened with that for the purpose of political posturing). Again, Politifact falls short.

4. Trump said he got to know Putin "very well" while the two were on CBS" "60 Minutes." Nope. The two men were interviewed separately, in different countries thousands of miles apart.

And this is the only time in which Putin and Trump could have conceivably interacted? No. The fact that one interview takes place at a certain time does not mean that it is the only time in which the two should have met, but did not.

(Also, they actually did meet and were in the same building, according to CBS.)

5. Trump claimed his campaign is "100 percent" self-funded. Nope. At the time, more than 50 percent of his campaign"s funds had come from outside contributors.

He said he is self funding, and the fact that his campaign has accepted some donations now does not mean that at the time Trump said that, that he was not "100%" self funded. Again, politifact has to do a better job. It's not that I'm just being a Trump apologist here, so much as I get tired of the media playing these stupid games.

6. Trump said his tax plan is revenue neutral. Nope. The pro-business Tax Foundation estimated the Trump plan would reduce revenues to the Treasury by more than $10 trillion over 10 years, even assuming his plan would create economic growth.

The fact that one estimate is different from Trump's estimate does not mean that Trump lied. It means that there are different estimates. This is getting to the point of ludicrousness, and, again, why I have no respect for Politifact at all. It is an incompetent, biased and fraudulent operation that holds itself out as the gatekeeper between veritable fact and fiction when in reality even a somewhat precocious middle school student could easily identify the reasons why Politifact's "fact checking" is totally bullsh!t.

7. Trump told the story of a 2-year old who got autism a week after the child got a vaccine. But there"s no evidence of such a link. The study that claimed to have found a link between vaccines and autism has been exposed as an "elaborate fraud." It was retracted five years ago by the journal that published it, and the author was stripped of his license to practice medicine in Britain.

LOL

This one doesn't even rise to the level of idiocy. Michelle Bachman said that at a campaign rally in 2012, not Trump. This one is just comically hilarious. It's possible that Trump did say it, but in reality, Michelle Bachmann said the exact same thing and I think your fact checker is just confused.

8. Trump said Mexico doesn"t have a birthright citizenship policy. It does.

Mexico's birthright citizenship doesn't work like the United States' does. That's what Trump said.

9. Trump claimed credit for getting Ford Motor Co. to move a plant from Mexico to Ohio. Ford says that"s baloney; it made the decision years before Trump even announced his run for president.

Trump did not take credit for that.

10. Trump denied that he ever called female adversaries some of these things: "fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals." He used all of those terms.

The Megyn Kelly question was bullsh!t, and it intentionally misrepresented Trump's interaction with women. Like, anyone with ears that functioned properly who heard the question understood what purpose the question was.

We have all said things in the heat of the moment; that kind of thing should be off the table, but FOX, being the sh!t news station that it is, and Megyn Kelly, being the puppet of that enterprise, totally took each and every quote out of context.

Whether he said it was never the issue. The issue was whether that was representative of how Trump viewed all women, which it obviously was not, and FOX's yellow journalism is so obvious that no one could doubt what that question was really all about.

Thus, politifact missed the bigger picture.

11. Trump said in June "there are no jobs" to be had, when official statistics were showing 5.4 million job openings " the most in 15 years.

I suppose all hyperbole ever should be measured against statistics from the US Department of labor? The point was that "jobs are unavailable for those who want them" as is evidenced by astronomical real unemployment rates, and underemployment rates.

(Do not tell me that unemployment figures are dropping under Obama; look at labor force participation.)

12. Trump claimed economic growth in the U.S. has "never" been below zero " until the third quarter of 2015. "Who ever heard of this?" he asked. Except it"s not unheard of. Economic growth has been below zero 42 times since 1946.

The context of the quote made clear that he was talking about continued periods of economic stagnation as experienced by the lack of available jobs "in our lifetimes" and NOT a lack of quarterly GDP increases, to which Politifact is referring.

I tire of this, and, frankly, Politifact is total garbage.
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2/20/2016 6:40:03 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/20/2016 5:47:25 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Forgot to quote the biggest one:

We start with his Nov. 21 claim to have watched on television as "thousands and thousands" of Muslims in New Jersey were "cheering" the fall of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. Multiple news organizations and the New Jersey attorney general"s office searched for evidence of public celebrations at the time of 9/11 and found none.
"Never happened," former state Attorney General John J. Farmer, a Republican appointee who later served as a senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission, wrote in response to Trump.

This is the sole exaggeration you have identified.

But, there were thousands of Muslims in the Middle East who cheered. That is a fact and it is confirmed by hundreds of journalists.
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2/20/2016 6:41:20 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
Oh, and Factcheck, like politifact, is total garbage too. The list could have come from either. Both are trash.
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2/20/2016 6:48:37 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/20/2016 6:40:03 AM, YYW wrote:
At 2/20/2016 5:47:25 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Forgot to quote the biggest one:

We start with his Nov. 21 claim to have watched on television as "thousands and thousands" of Muslims in New Jersey were "cheering" the fall of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. Multiple news organizations and the New Jersey attorney general"s office searched for evidence of public celebrations at the time of 9/11 and found none.
"Never happened," former state Attorney General John J. Farmer, a Republican appointee who later served as a senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission, wrote in response to Trump.

This is the sole exaggeration you have identified.

But, there were thousands of Muslims in the Middle East who cheered. That is a fact and it is confirmed by hundreds of journalists.

That's as relevant as saying "Christians" in Russia perpetuated conflict with the United States, and invaded other nations so Christians in the United States should be blamed for those actions. Thousands of people in Middle East cheering doesn't mean that an accusation against American muslims is mitigated.
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2/20/2016 6:54:57 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/20/2016 6:48:37 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 2/20/2016 6:40:03 AM, YYW wrote:
At 2/20/2016 5:47:25 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Forgot to quote the biggest one:

We start with his Nov. 21 claim to have watched on television as "thousands and thousands" of Muslims in New Jersey were "cheering" the fall of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. Multiple news organizations and the New Jersey attorney general"s office searched for evidence of public celebrations at the time of 9/11 and found none.
"Never happened," former state Attorney General John J. Farmer, a Republican appointee who later served as a senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission, wrote in response to Trump.

This is the sole exaggeration you have identified.

But, there were thousands of Muslims in the Middle East who cheered. That is a fact and it is confirmed by hundreds of journalists.

That's as relevant as saying "Christians" in Russia perpetuated conflict with the United States, and invaded other nations so Christians in the United States should be blamed for those actions. Thousands of people in Middle East cheering doesn't mean that an accusation against American muslims is mitigated.

Actually, your analogy is weak because Christianity had nothing to do with 9/11, nor did Russia, and particularly there has *never* been Russian christian aggression towards the United States, not even during the Cold War.

But, there is tremendous anti-Americanism throughout the Muslim world, swaths of whom cheered at the twin towers falling.

Beyond that, there are radical mosques in the United States from whom it would have been possible to expect something like cheering.

Like I said, it was an exaggeration, and that's it.
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2/20/2016 7:00:38 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/20/2016 6:54:57 AM, YYW wrote:

Beyond that, there are radical mosques in the United States from whom it would have been possible to expect something like cheering.

Like I said, it was an exaggeration, and that's it.

Now I want a Whopper with cheese.
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2/20/2016 7:06:54 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/20/2016 5:45:49 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Factcheck (which many conservatives prefer to the alternative Politifact) published a list of what it calls "whoppers" or egregious lies said by Donald Trump:
http://www.politifact.com...

That whopper is going to get Trump elected no matter how many hyperboles he gets called out on.
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2/21/2016 4:11:31 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/20/2016 6:35:46 AM, YYW wrote:
At 2/20/2016 5:45:49 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Factcheck (which many conservatives prefer to the alternative Politifact) published a list of what it calls "whoppers" or egregious lies said by Donald Trump:

This is where I get tired of Politifact.

1. Trump boasted that he "predicted Osama bin Laden." Nope. The book Trump published in 2000 mentioned bin Laden once, and predicted nothing about bin Laden"s future plans.

What Trump said is that he said during the Clinton administration that Clinton should have killed Bin Laden when he had the chance; he also said that Bush should have killed Bin Laden when he had the chance.

Even if Trump's 2000 book didn't mention Bin Laden more than once doesn't disprove what Trump said. Like, that much is obvious because there was far more that Trump said during the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration prior to 9/11 than what was recorded in a 2000 book.

Likewise, it may have been in the original book and then edited out by the editors.

These obvious things are what Politifact fails to account for, and they look for "gotcha" moments when in reality it's just grasping at straws.

2. Trump "heard" that Obama is "thinking about signing an executive order where he wants to take your guns away." If so, he misheard. What Obama reportedly considered was requiring large-volume private gun dealers to conduct background checks, not confiscating firearms from those who own them.

The fact that some other person heard something else does not mean that some first person didn't hear what Trump said. But, he probably did exaggerate. That doesn't mean that Politifact's fact check is even remotely valid.

3. Trump said he "heard" the Obama administration plans to accept 200,000 Syrian refugees " even upping that wildly inaccurate number to 250,000 in another speech. Nope and nope. The number is about 10,000.

The fact that some other person heard something else does not mean that some first person didn't hear what Trump said. But, he probably did exaggerate. That doesn't mean that Politifact's fact check is even remotely valid. In this context, Obama may have wanted 200,000 refugees (or, opened with that for the purpose of political posturing). Again, Politifact falls short.

4. Trump said he got to know Putin "very well" while the two were on CBS" "60 Minutes." Nope. The two men were interviewed separately, in different countries thousands of miles apart.

And this is the only time in which Putin and Trump could have conceivably interacted? No. The fact that one interview takes place at a certain time does not mean that it is the only time in which the two should have met, but did not.

(Also, they actually did meet and were in the same building, according to CBS.)

5. Trump claimed his campaign is "100 percent" self-funded. Nope. At the time, more than 50 percent of his campaign"s funds had come from outside contributors.

He said he is self funding, and the fact that his campaign has accepted some donations now does not mean that at the time Trump said that, that he was not "100%" self funded. Again, politifact has to do a better job. It's not that I'm just being a Trump apologist here, so much as I get tired of the media playing these stupid games.

6. Trump said his tax plan is revenue neutral. Nope. The pro-business Tax Foundation estimated the Trump plan would reduce revenues to the Treasury by more than $10 trillion over 10 years, even assuming his plan would create economic growth.

The fact that one estimate is different from Trump's estimate does not mean that Trump lied. It means that there are different estimates. This is getting to the point of ludicrousness, and, again, why I have no respect for Politifact at all. It is an incompetent, biased and fraudulent operation that holds itself out as the gatekeeper between veritable fact and fiction when in reality even a somewhat precocious middle school student could easily identify the reasons why Politifact's "fact checking" is totally bullsh!t.

7. Trump told the story of a 2-year old who got autism a week after the child got a vaccine. But there"s no evidence of such a link. The study that claimed to have found a link between vaccines and autism has been exposed as an "elaborate fraud." It was retracted five years ago by the journal that published it, and the author was stripped of his license to practice medicine in Britain.

LOL

This one doesn't even rise to the level of idiocy. Michelle Bachman said that at a campaign rally in 2012, not Trump. This one is just comically hilarious. It's possible that Trump did say it, but in reality, Michelle Bachmann said the exact same thing and I think your fact checker is just confused.

8. Trump said Mexico doesn"t have a birthright citizenship policy. It does.

Mexico's birthright citizenship doesn't work like the United States' does. That's what Trump said.

9. Trump claimed credit for getting Ford Motor Co. to move a plant from Mexico to Ohio. Ford says that"s baloney; it made the decision years before Trump even announced his run for president.

Trump did not take credit for that.

10. Trump denied that he ever called female adversaries some of these things: "fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals." He used all of those terms.

The Megyn Kelly question was bullsh!t, and it intentionally misrepresented Trump's interaction with women. Like, anyone with ears that functioned properly who heard the question understood what purpose the question was.

We have all said things in the heat of the moment; that kind of thing should be off the table, but FOX, being the sh!t news station that it is, and Megyn Kelly, being the puppet of that enterprise, totally took each and every quote out of context.

Whether he said it was never the issue. The issue was whether that was representative of how Trump viewed all women, which it obviously was not, and FOX's yellow journalism is so obvious that no one could doubt what that question was really all about.

Thus, politifact missed the bigger picture.

11. Trump said in June "there are no jobs" to be had, when official statistics were showing 5.4 million job openings " the most in 15 years.

I suppose all hyperbole ever should be measured against statistics from the US Department of labor? The point was that "jobs are unavailable for those who want them" as is evidenced by astronomical real unemployment rates, and underemployment rates.

(Do not tell me that unemployment figures are dropping under Obama; look at labor force participation.)

12. Trump claimed economic growth in the U.S. has "never" been below zero " until the third quarter of 2015. "Who ever heard of this?" he asked. Except it"s not unheard of. Economic growth has been below zero 42 times since 1946.

The context of the quote made clear that he was talking about continued periods of economic stagnation as experienced by the lack of available jobs "in our lifetimes" and NOT a lack of quarterly GDP increases, to which Politifact is referring.

I tire of this, and, frankly, Politifact is total garbage.

Are you f'ing kidding me. Now all a politician needs to to is say is that "Someone said..." and make an outlandish claim that everyone should believe because it can't be validated that "someone" didn't say it?

What kind of planet do you live in? I heard someone say YYW is feeble minded.
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2/21/2016 4:34:07 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 4:11:31 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 2/20/2016 6:35:46 AM, YYW wrote:
At 2/20/2016 5:45:49 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Factcheck (which many conservatives prefer to the alternative Politifact) published a list of what it calls "whoppers" or egregious lies said by Donald Trump:

This is where I get tired of Politifact.

1. Trump boasted that he "predicted Osama bin Laden." Nope. The book Trump published in 2000 mentioned bin Laden once, and predicted nothing about bin Laden"s future plans.

What Trump said is that he said during the Clinton administration that Clinton should have killed Bin Laden when he had the chance; he also said that Bush should have killed Bin Laden when he had the chance.

Even if Trump's 2000 book didn't mention Bin Laden more than once doesn't disprove what Trump said. Like, that much is obvious because there was far more that Trump said during the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration prior to 9/11 than what was recorded in a 2000 book.

Likewise, it may have been in the original book and then edited out by the editors.

These obvious things are what Politifact fails to account for, and they look for "gotcha" moments when in reality it's just grasping at straws.

2. Trump "heard" that Obama is "thinking about signing an executive order where he wants to take your guns away." If so, he misheard. What Obama reportedly considered was requiring large-volume private gun dealers to conduct background checks, not confiscating firearms from those who own them.

The fact that some other person heard something else does not mean that some first person didn't hear what Trump said. But, he probably did exaggerate. That doesn't mean that Politifact's fact check is even remotely valid.

3. Trump said he "heard" the Obama administration plans to accept 200,000 Syrian refugees " even upping that wildly inaccurate number to 250,000 in another speech. Nope and nope. The number is about 10,000.

The fact that some other person heard something else does not mean that some first person didn't hear what Trump said. But, he probably did exaggerate. That doesn't mean that Politifact's fact check is even remotely valid. In this context, Obama may have wanted 200,000 refugees (or, opened with that for the purpose of political posturing). Again, Politifact falls short.

4. Trump said he got to know Putin "very well" while the two were on CBS" "60 Minutes." Nope. The two men were interviewed separately, in different countries thousands of miles apart.

And this is the only time in which Putin and Trump could have conceivably interacted? No. The fact that one interview takes place at a certain time does not mean that it is the only time in which the two should have met, but did not.

(Also, they actually did meet and were in the same building, according to CBS.)

5. Trump claimed his campaign is "100 percent" self-funded. Nope. At the time, more than 50 percent of his campaign"s funds had come from outside contributors.

He said he is self funding, and the fact that his campaign has accepted some donations now does not mean that at the time Trump said that, that he was not "100%" self funded. Again, politifact has to do a better job. It's not that I'm just being a Trump apologist here, so much as I get tired of the media playing these stupid games.

6. Trump said his tax plan is revenue neutral. Nope. The pro-business Tax Foundation estimated the Trump plan would reduce revenues to the Treasury by more than $10 trillion over 10 years, even assuming his plan would create economic growth.

The fact that one estimate is different from Trump's estimate does not mean that Trump lied. It means that there are different estimates. This is getting to the point of ludicrousness, and, again, why I have no respect for Politifact at all. It is an incompetent, biased and fraudulent operation that holds itself out as the gatekeeper between veritable fact and fiction when in reality even a somewhat precocious middle school student could easily identify the reasons why Politifact's "fact checking" is totally bullsh!t.

7. Trump told the story of a 2-year old who got autism a week after the child got a vaccine. But there"s no evidence of such a link. The study that claimed to have found a link between vaccines and autism has been exposed as an "elaborate fraud." It was retracted five years ago by the journal that published it, and the author was stripped of his license to practice medicine in Britain.

LOL

This one doesn't even rise to the level of idiocy. Michelle Bachman said that at a campaign rally in 2012, not Trump. This one is just comically hilarious. It's possible that Trump did say it, but in reality, Michelle Bachmann said the exact same thing and I think your fact checker is just confused.

8. Trump said Mexico doesn"t have a birthright citizenship policy. It does.

Mexico's birthright citizenship doesn't work like the United States' does. That's what Trump said.

9. Trump claimed credit for getting Ford Motor Co. to move a plant from Mexico to Ohio. Ford says that"s baloney; it made the decision years before Trump even announced his run for president.

Trump did not take credit for that.

10. Trump denied that he ever called female adversaries some of these things: "fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals." He used all of those terms.

The Megyn Kelly question was bullsh!t, and it intentionally misrepresented Trump's interaction with women. Like, anyone with ears that functioned properly who heard the question understood what purpose the question was.

We have all said things in the heat of the moment; that kind of thing should be off the table, but FOX, being the sh!t news station that it is, and Megyn Kelly, being the puppet of that enterprise, totally took each and every quote out of context.

Whether he said it was never the issue. The issue was whether that was representative of how Trump viewed all women, which it obviously was not, and FOX's yellow journalism is so obvious that no one could doubt what that question was really all about.

Thus, politifact missed the bigger picture.

11. Trump said in June "there are no jobs" to be had, when official statistics were showing 5.4 million job openings " the most in 15 years.

I suppose all hyperbole ever should be measured against statistics from the US Department of labor? The point was that "jobs are unavailable for those who want them" as is evidenced by astronomical real unemployment rates, and underemployment rates.

(Do not tell me that unemployment figures are dropping under Obama; look at labor force participation.)

12. Trump claimed economic growth in the U.S. has "never" been below zero " until the third quarter of 2015. "Who ever heard of this?" he asked. Except it"s not unheard of. Economic growth has been below zero 42 times since 1946.

The context of the quote made clear that he was talking about continued periods of economic stagnation as experienced by the lack of available jobs "in our lifetimes" and NOT a lack of quarterly GDP increases, to which Politifact is referring.

I tire of this, and, frankly, Politifact is total garbage.

Are you f'ing kidding me. Now all a politician needs to to is say is that "Someone said..." and make an outlandish claim that everyone should believe because it can't be validated that "someone" didn't say it?

What kind of planet do you live in? I heard someone say YYW is feeble minded.

It's amazing to me how remarkably inane you can be, slo... like, you need help. Your brain doesn't function properly.
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2/21/2016 7:34:01 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/20/2016 6:35:46 AM, YYW wrote:
At 2/20/2016 5:45:49 AM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
Factcheck (which many conservatives prefer to the alternative Politifact) published a list of what it calls "whoppers" or egregious lies said by Donald Trump:

This is where I get tired of Politifact.

Because it points out what a LIAR Trump is?

1. Trump boasted that he "predicted Osama bin Laden." Nope. The book Trump published in 2000 mentioned bin Laden once, and predicted nothing about bin Laden"s future plans.

What Trump said is that he said during the Clinton administration that Clinton should have killed Bin Laden when he had the chance; he also said that Bush should have killed Bin Laden when he had the chance.

Wow. Some wonderful hindsight advice from the king of hot air.

Even if Trump's 2000 book didn't mention Bin Laden more than once doesn't disprove what Trump said.

It shows there is NOTHING to back up what he said. It's a lie, period.

Likewise, it may have been in the original book and then edited out by the editors.

Now you're reaching really far.

These obvious things are what Politifact fails to account for, and they look for "gotcha" moments when in reality it's just grasping at straws.

It's just simple facts. Directly above it's YOU grasping at straws.

2. Trump "heard" that Obama is "thinking about signing an executive order where he wants to take your guns away." If so, he misheard. What Obama reportedly considered was requiring large-volume private gun dealers to conduct background checks, not confiscating firearms from those who own them.

The fact that some other person heard something else does not mean that some first person didn't hear what Trump said. But, he probably did exaggerate. That doesn't mean that Politifact's fact check is even remotely valid.

You're reaching really far again, and yes, he certainly exaggerated. Either way he's a liar.

3. Trump said he "heard" the Obama administration plans to accept 200,000 Syrian refugees " even upping that wildly inaccurate number to 250,000 in another speech. Nope and nope. The number is about 10,000.

The fact that some other person heard something else does not mean that some first person didn't hear what Trump said. But, he probably did exaggerate.

See above. He's a liar.

4. Trump said he got to know Putin "very well" while the two were on CBS" "60 Minutes." Nope. The two men were interviewed separately, in different countries thousands of miles apart.

And this is the only time in which Putin and Trump could have conceivably interacted? No. The fact that one interview takes place at a certain time does not mean that it is the only time in which the two should have met, but did not.

Funny how Trump is never specific about his claims so no one can actually check up on them. He knows he's a liar.

5. Trump claimed his campaign is "100 percent" self-funded. Nope. At the time, more than 50 percent of his campaign"s funds had come from outside contributors.

He said he is self funding, and the fact that his campaign has accepted some donations now does not mean that at the time Trump said that, that he was not "100%" self funded. Again, politifact has to do a better job. It's not that I'm just being a Trump apologist here, so much as I get tired of the media playing these stupid games.

Regardless, Trump is deceptive about his funding. What a shock - he's a born liar.

6. Trump said his tax plan is revenue neutral. Nope. The pro-business Tax Foundation estimated the Trump plan would reduce revenues to the Treasury by more than $10 trillion over 10 years, even assuming his plan would create economic growth.

The fact that one estimate is different from Trump's estimate does not mean that Trump lied.

No the fact that he lied means he lied. He pretty much never stops lying.

9. Trump claimed credit for getting Ford Motor Co. to move a plant from Mexico to Ohio. Ford says that"s baloney; it made the decision years before Trump even announced his run for president.

Trump did not take credit for that.

Funny I remember a speech he gave in which he did just that.

10. Trump denied that he ever called female adversaries some of these things: "fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals." He used all of those terms.

The Megyn Kelly question was bullsh!t, and it intentionally misrepresented Trump's interaction with women. Like, anyone with ears that functioned properly who heard the question understood what purpose the question was.

You're making an awful lot of excuses for Trump. Are you one of his campaign advisers?

We have all said things in the heat of the moment; that kind of thing should be off the table, but FOX, being the sh!t news station that it is, and Megyn Kelly, being the puppet of that enterprise, totally took each and every quote out of context.

Maybe Trump should learn not to say those things if he doesn't want them used against him, instead of crying and whining like a baby when that happens.

12. Trump claimed economic growth in the U.S. has "never" been below zero " until the third quarter of 2015. "Who ever heard of this?" he asked. Except it"s not unheard of. Economic growth has been below zero 42 times since 1946.

The context of the quote made clear that he was talking about continued periods of economic stagnation as experienced by the lack of available jobs "in our lifetimes" and NOT a lack of quarterly GDP increases, to which Politifact is referring.

Funny how you can come up with something to justify anything Trump says.
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2/21/2016 8:35:33 PM
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Trump is so healthy that he could eat 50 Whoppers right now and not have a heart attack.
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2/21/2016 8:44:04 PM
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At 2/21/2016 8:35:33 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
Trump is so healthy that he could eat 50 Whoppers right now and not have a heart attack.

Yum.
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2/21/2016 8:50:56 PM
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At 2/21/2016 7:34:01 PM, zoinks wrote:
Funny how you can come up with something to justify anything Trump says.

Not really, it's just that I (unlike you) pay attention to the facts and their context. Even if Politifact or whatever was going after Ted Cruz (whom I hate) I would still, to the extent that I was aware, clarify things.

I'm tired of these post-factual campaigns. I'm tired of lying. I'm tired of dishonesty. If people want to go after candidates, any of them, even Bernie Sanders (who has my vote), that's fine... but do it honestly.

Don't invent stupid sh!t to attack them.
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2/21/2016 8:51:44 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 8:50:56 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/21/2016 7:34:01 PM, zoinks wrote:
Funny how you can come up with something to justify anything Trump says.

Not really, it's just that I (unlike you) pay attention to the facts and their context. Even if Politifact or whatever was going after Ted Cruz (whom I hate) I would still, to the extent that I was aware, clarify things.

I'm tired of these post-factual campaigns. I'm tired of lying. I'm tired of dishonesty. If people want to go after candidates, any of them, even Bernie Sanders (who has my vote), that's fine... but do it honestly.

Don't invent stupid sh!t to attack them.

Like Kenya.
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2/21/2016 8:52:24 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 8:50:56 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/21/2016 7:34:01 PM, zoinks wrote:
Funny how you can come up with something to justify anything Trump says.

Not really, it's just that I (unlike you) pay attention to the facts and their context. Even if Politifact or whatever was going after Ted Cruz (whom I hate) I would still, to the extent that I was aware, clarify things.

I'm tired of these post-factual campaigns. I'm tired of lying. I'm tired of dishonesty. If people want to go after candidates, any of them, even Bernie Sanders (who has my vote), that's fine... but do it honestly.

Don't invent stupid sh!t to attack them.

It seemed fine to me. You used some astonishing conjecture in trying to discredit many of the attacks, actually.
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2/21/2016 8:53:37 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 7:34:01 PM, zoinks wrote:
It shows there is NOTHING to back up what he said. It's a lie, period.

The whole totality of your rebuttal to what I said reduces to "Nuh-uh!" which is stupid, for the reason that you didn't back up the claim that I showed was insufficiently proven.

You're also stupidly assuming that I'm a pro-Trump guy, which I am not. I'm for Sanders.

But, more than Trump or Sanders, I'm for straight shooting and I'm therefore against the kind of pathetic wanton factual misrepresentation that the so-called "fact checkers" (e.g. Politifact) claim is the "truth."

It's bullsh!t, and bullsh!t is not truth.
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2/21/2016 8:55:09 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 8:51:44 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/21/2016 8:50:56 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/21/2016 7:34:01 PM, zoinks wrote:
Funny how you can come up with something to justify anything Trump says.

Not really, it's just that I (unlike you) pay attention to the facts and their context. Even if Politifact or whatever was going after Ted Cruz (whom I hate) I would still, to the extent that I was aware, clarify things.

I'm tired of these post-factual campaigns. I'm tired of lying. I'm tired of dishonesty. If people want to go after candidates, any of them, even Bernie Sanders (who has my vote), that's fine... but do it honestly.

Don't invent stupid sh!t to attack them.

Like Kenya.

Yes. Like the lie that Republicans said about McCain that he fathered an illegitimate black child. Or the disgusting lies that Newt Gingrich said about Romney. Or the even more disgusting lies that Ted Cruz has said about Trump, Rubio, and Ben Carson. Or the even more disgusting lies that all the Republicans said about Obama being from Kenya, as you indicated.

All the lying needs to stop.
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2/21/2016 8:59:10 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 8:52:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/21/2016 8:50:56 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/21/2016 7:34:01 PM, zoinks wrote:
Funny how you can come up with something to justify anything Trump says.

Not really, it's just that I (unlike you) pay attention to the facts and their context. Even if Politifact or whatever was going after Ted Cruz (whom I hate) I would still, to the extent that I was aware, clarify things.

I'm tired of these post-factual campaigns. I'm tired of lying. I'm tired of dishonesty. If people want to go after candidates, any of them, even Bernie Sanders (who has my vote), that's fine... but do it honestly.

Don't invent stupid sh!t to attack them.

It seemed fine to me. You used some astonishing conjecture in trying to discredit many of the attacks, actually.

You need to learn to read more carefully then, Endark; and I did discredit each and every one of them, with the sole exception of what Trump said about Muslims in New Jersey after 9/11.

Your failure in this comment is the implication that you are assuming the truth of what F-16 posted, and that is why you incorrectly reached the conclusion that I was overreaching.

If you were going to competently undertake the exercise of verifying the truth of the claims made in the first instance, which you should have done but have plainly failed to do, you would ask yourself "ok, what kind of evidence would I need to be able to prove that this is false?" and then you'd think "does what the article claims pass that standard?" You would thereafter plainly realize that it does not, because it's a horribly written list of garbage, and then summarily dismiss it because it's idiotic on its face.

Or... that's what you *should* have done. But, you didn't do that. What you did was ask, "Assuming what the article said is true, does what YYW said disprove it?" That is your manifestly obvious mistake.
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2/21/2016 9:25:14 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/20/2016 6:35:46 AM, YYW wrote:
This is where I get tired of Politifact.

Alright, YYW incorrectly claims he discredits all of these, bar one. Let's take a look.

1. Trump boasted that he "predicted Osama bin Laden." Nope. The book Trump published in 2000 mentioned bin Laden once, and predicted nothing about bin Laden"s future plans.

What Trump said is that he said during the Clinton administration that Clinton should have killed Bin Laden when he had the chance; he also said that Bush should have killed Bin Laden when he had the chance.

Trump did say this. He also said "I predicted bin Laden...was coming in to do damage. In my book, I predicted terrorism." Your discredit has been discredited.

Even if Trump's 2000 book didn't mention Bin Laden more than once doesn't disprove what Trump said. Like, that much is obvious because there was far more that Trump said during the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration prior to 9/11 than what was recorded in a 2000 book.

Likewise, it may have been in the original book and then edited out by the editors.

This is ludicrous.

2. Trump "heard" that Obama is "thinking about signing an executive order where he wants to take your guns away." If so, he misheard. What Obama reportedly considered was requiring large-volume private gun dealers to conduct background checks, not confiscating firearms from those who own them.

The fact that some other person heard something else does not mean that some first person didn't hear what Trump said. But, he probably did exaggerate. That doesn't mean that Politifact's fact check is even remotely valid.

Or, as is far more likely, Trump never heard any such thing and just made it up.

3. Trump said he "heard" the Obama administration plans to accept 200,000 Syrian refugees " even upping that wildly inaccurate number to 250,000 in another speech. Nope and nope. The number is about 10,000.

The fact that some other person heard something else does not mean that some first person didn't hear what Trump said. But, he probably did exaggerate. That doesn't mean that Politifact's fact check is even remotely valid. In this context, Obama may have wanted 200,000 refugees (or, opened with that for the purpose of political posturing). Again, Politifact falls short.

Alright. Tell us where Obama wanted 200,000 refugees. Otherwise this "discredit" has zero merit. Politifact - not that they even did this - stands. And yes, you have to prove this, because you made the positive claim about what Obama may have wanted.

4. Removed because 4 was discredited.

5. Trump claimed his campaign is "100 percent" self-funded. Nope. At the time, more than 50 percent of his campaign"s funds had come from outside contributors.

He said he is self funding, and the fact that his campaign has accepted some donations now does not mean that at the time Trump said that, that he was not "100%" self funded. Again, politifact has to do a better job. It's not that I'm just being a Trump apologist here, so much as I get tired of the media playing these stupid games.

Trump talks a lot about being self-funded. Additionally he has made several statements from which it is easily and naturally implied that he is purely self-funded. However, a 5-minute search yielded no solid quote from him saying he was 100% self-funded, so this discredit stands.

6. Trump said his tax plan is revenue neutral. Nope. The pro-business Tax Foundation estimated the Trump plan would reduce revenues to the Treasury by more than $10 trillion over 10 years, even assuming his plan would create economic growth.

The fact that one estimate is different from Trump's estimate does not mean that Trump lied. It means that there are different estimates. This is getting to the point of ludicrousness, and, again, why I have no respect for Politifact at all. It is an incompetent, biased and fraudulent operation that holds itself out as the gatekeeper between veritable fact and fiction when in reality even a somewhat precocious middle school student could easily identify the reasons why Politifact's "fact checking" is totally bullsh!t.

LOL. Beautiful how when, the two collide, Politifact is automatically wrong because reasons???

The Tax Policy Center also states Trump's plan would cut federal revenue by almost $10 trillion and would increase the debt by almost 80% of the GDP by 2036.

7. Trump told the story of a 2-year old who got autism a week after the child got a vaccine. But there"s no evidence of such a link. The study that claimed to have found a link between vaccines and autism has been exposed as an "elaborate fraud." It was retracted five years ago by the journal that published it, and the author was stripped of his license to practice medicine in Britain.

This one doesn't even rise to the level of idiocy. Michelle Bachman said that at a campaign rally in 2012, not Trump. This one is just comically hilarious. It's possible that Trump did say it, but in reality, Michelle Bachmann said the exact same thing and I think your fact checker is just confused.

Trump did actually say this, so your discredit is, once again, wrong.

8. Trump said Mexico doesn"t have a birthright citizenship policy. It does.

Mexico's birthright citizenship doesn't work like the United States' does. That's what Trump said.

At best, this one is contested, and I don't feel like re-watching the second debate for full confirmation.

9. Trump claimed credit for getting Ford Motor Co. to move a plant from Mexico to Ohio. Ford says that"s baloney; it made the decision years before Trump even announced his run for president.

Trump did not take credit for that.

Yes he did.

"Word is that Ford Motor, because of my constant badgering at packed events, is going to cancel their deal to go to Mexico and stay in the US." - 25 Oct

"Do you think I will get credit for keeping Ford in the US. Who cares, my supporters know the truth." - 25 Oct

10. Don't really care. We all know he's abrasive.

11. Trump said in June "there are no jobs" to be had, when official statistics were showing 5.4 million job openings " the most in 15 years.

I suppose all hyperbole ever should be measured against statistics from the US Department of labor? The point was that "jobs are unavailable for those who want them" as is evidenced by astronomical real unemployment rates, and underemployment rates.

Unsubstantiated claim.

(Do not tell me that unemployment figures are dropping under Obama; look at labor force participation.)

12. Trump claimed economic growth in the U.S. has "never" been below zero " until the third quarter of 2015. "Who ever heard of this?" he asked. Except it"s not unheard of. Economic growth has been below zero 42 times since 1946.

The context of the quote made clear that he was talking about continued periods of economic stagnation as experienced by the lack of available jobs "in our lifetimes" and NOT a lack of quarterly GDP increases, to which Politifact is referring.

I tire of this, and, frankly, Politifact is total garbage.
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2/21/2016 9:39:34 PM
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At 2/21/2016 9:25:14 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/20/2016 6:35:46 AM, YYW wrote:
This is where I get tired of Politifact.

Alright, YYW incorrectly claims he discredits all of these, bar one. Let's take a look.

Yet again you've totally failed... but, then again, you always were going to get it wrong because of your irrational hatred of Trump.

So sad, Endark.
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2/21/2016 9:42:25 PM
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At 2/21/2016 9:39:34 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/21/2016 9:25:14 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/20/2016 6:35:46 AM, YYW wrote:
This is where I get tired of Politifact.

Alright, YYW incorrectly claims he discredits all of these, bar one. Let's take a look.

Yet again you've totally failed... but, then again, you always were going to get it wrong because of your irrational hatred of Trump.

So sad, Endark.

When finding actual quotes from Trump isn't enough to demonstrate that you were wrong and FactCheck was right in this case, that's what's sad.
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2/21/2016 9:46:46 PM
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At 2/21/2016 9:42:25 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/21/2016 9:39:34 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/21/2016 9:25:14 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/20/2016 6:35:46 AM, YYW wrote:
This is where I get tired of Politifact.

Alright, YYW incorrectly claims he discredits all of these, bar one. Let's take a look.

Yet again you've totally failed... but, then again, you always were going to get it wrong because of your irrational hatred of Trump.

So sad, Endark.

When finding actual quotes from Trump isn't enough to demonstrate that you were wrong and FactCheck was right in this case, that's what's sad.

Like saying Ford's move from mexico to us is the same as saying Ford's plan to move from US to Mexico... whatever...if Trump said it it has to be bad.
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2/21/2016 9:49:06 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/21/2016 9:46:46 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/21/2016 9:42:25 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/21/2016 9:39:34 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/21/2016 9:25:14 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/20/2016 6:35:46 AM, YYW wrote:
This is where I get tired of Politifact.

Alright, YYW incorrectly claims he discredits all of these, bar one. Let's take a look.

Yet again you've totally failed... but, then again, you always were going to get it wrong because of your irrational hatred of Trump.

So sad, Endark.

When finding actual quotes from Trump isn't enough to demonstrate that you were wrong and FactCheck was right in this case, that's what's sad.

Like saying Ford's move from mexico to us is the same as saying Ford's plan to move from US to Mexico... whatever...if Trump said it it has to be bad.

The article says plan too. So....
Also, Trump's own words reveal he did, in fact, say several other things YYW pretended he didn't.