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2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Bernie sanders economic policies are very dangerous to the economy of the usa. As this article written by someone with liberal views shows.

http://www.forbes.com...

Sanders populist socialist policies that target the rich, business, aspiration, energy companies, the dead (through inheritance tax) and other countries. The reality is though that his economic policies combined will lead to businesses ceasing trading, cutting jobs, employing people below the minimum wage off the books and moving employment abroad. His policies Also scare the rich and successful out of the country and shrink the economy through wall street taxes, income tax raises and minimum wage increases. His policies Also threaten the energy sector and will result in increases in the rate of unemployment, higher commodity prices, increased inflation, reduced tax revenues, increased government spending and a resulting increase in government borrowing. Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.
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2/22/2016 5:09:17 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM, beng100 wrote:
Bernie sanders economic policies are very dangerous to the economy of the usa. As this article written by someone with liberal views shows.

http://www.forbes.com...

Sanders populist socialist policies that target the rich, business, aspiration, energy companies, the dead (through inheritance tax) and other countries. The reality is though that his economic policies combined will lead to businesses ceasing trading, cutting jobs, employing people below the minimum wage off the books and moving employment abroad. His policies Also scare the rich and successful out of the country and shrink the economy through wall street taxes, income tax raises and minimum wage increases. His policies Also threaten the energy sector and will result in increases in the rate of unemployment, higher commodity prices, increased inflation, reduced tax revenues, increased government spending and a resulting increase in government borrowing. Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.

This is pretty laughable... want me to explain to you why?
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2/22/2016 5:26:51 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM, beng100 wrote:
Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.

^ This is posted by a guy whose favorite candidate is Trump.....
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2/22/2016 5:27:44 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 5:09:17 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM, beng100 wrote:
Bernie sanders economic policies are very dangerous to the economy of the usa. As this article written by someone with liberal views shows.

http://www.forbes.com...

Sanders populist socialist policies that target the rich, business, aspiration, energy companies, the dead (through inheritance tax) and other countries. The reality is though that his economic policies combined will lead to businesses ceasing trading, cutting jobs, employing people below the minimum wage off the books and moving employment abroad. His policies Also scare the rich and successful out of the country and shrink the economy through wall street taxes, income tax raises and minimum wage increases. His policies Also threaten the energy sector and will result in increases in the rate of unemployment, higher commodity prices, increased inflation, reduced tax revenues, increased government spending and a resulting increase in government borrowing. Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.

This is pretty laughable... want me to explain to you why?

You'll just be wasting your time trying to argue with Beng.
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2/22/2016 6:03:50 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM, beng100 wrote:
Bernie sanders economic policies are very dangerous to the economy of the usa. As this article written by someone with liberal views shows.

http://www.forbes.com...

Sanders populist socialist policies that target the rich, business, aspiration, energy companies, the dead (through inheritance tax) and other countries. The reality is though that his economic policies combined will lead to businesses ceasing trading, cutting jobs, employing people below the minimum wage off the books and moving employment abroad. His policies Also scare the rich and successful out of the country and shrink the economy through wall street taxes, income tax raises and minimum wage increases. His policies Also threaten the energy sector and will result in increases in the rate of unemployment, higher commodity prices, increased inflation, reduced tax revenues, increased government spending and a resulting increase in government borrowing. Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.

The United States of Detroit! Yayyyyy! I am excited.
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2/22/2016 6:33:52 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 5:09:17 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM, beng100 wrote:
Bernie sanders economic policies are very dangerous to the economy of the usa. As this article written by someone with liberal views shows.

http://www.forbes.com...

Sanders populist socialist policies that target the rich, business, aspiration, energy companies, the dead (through inheritance tax) and other countries. The reality is though that his economic policies combined will lead to businesses ceasing trading, cutting jobs, employing people below the minimum wage off the books and moving employment abroad. His policies Also scare the rich and successful out of the country and shrink the economy through wall street taxes, income tax raises and minimum wage increases. His policies Also threaten the energy sector and will result in increases in the rate of unemployment, higher commodity prices, increased inflation, reduced tax revenues, increased government spending and a resulting increase in government borrowing. Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.

This is pretty laughable... want me to explain to you why?

Yes you are welcome to explain your point of view. Here is Another Forbes article by a left leaning contributer.

http://www.forbes.com...
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2/22/2016 6:49:36 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 6:33:52 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:09:17 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM, beng100 wrote:
Bernie sanders economic policies are very dangerous to the economy of the usa. As this article written by someone with liberal views shows.

http://www.forbes.com...

Sanders populist socialist policies that target the rich, business, aspiration, energy companies, the dead (through inheritance tax) and other countries. The reality is though that his economic policies combined will lead to businesses ceasing trading, cutting jobs, employing people below the minimum wage off the books and moving employment abroad. His policies Also scare the rich and successful out of the country and shrink the economy through wall street taxes, income tax raises and minimum wage increases. His policies Also threaten the energy sector and will result in increases in the rate of unemployment, higher commodity prices, increased inflation, reduced tax revenues, increased government spending and a resulting increase in government borrowing. Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.

This is pretty laughable... want me to explain to you why?

Yes you are welcome to explain your point of view. Here is Another Forbes article by a left leaning contributer.

http://www.forbes.com...

It is clear to me that the reason you're saying that these people are "left wing" or whatever is because you think that means they're not biased; the irony is that precisely because of *how* they lean (i.e. the extent to which they are to the left, such as moderate v. far left) should put you on notice of the specific kind of result they're tailoring their analysis to produce.

But I might explain why both are blowing smoke. I might not. Will depend if I have time.
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2/22/2016 7:16:50 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 6:51:59 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
Even Paul Krugman has his doubts about Sanders' economic policies. That should tell you something.

/thread XD
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2/22/2016 7:20:16 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
I feel like beng's biggest problem is that he prioritized economics far, far too much in politics. Good economics is almost always bad politics and vice versa. Especially since politics is about so much more than the economy.

That said, http://news.yahoo.com...
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2/22/2016 7:24:59 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 6:49:36 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/22/2016 6:33:52 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:09:17 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM, beng100 wrote:
Bernie sanders economic policies are very dangerous to the economy of the usa. As this article written by someone with liberal views shows.

http://www.forbes.com...

Sanders populist socialist policies that target the rich, business, aspiration, energy companies, the dead (through inheritance tax) and other countries. The reality is though that his economic policies combined will lead to businesses ceasing trading, cutting jobs, employing people below the minimum wage off the books and moving employment abroad. His policies Also scare the rich and successful out of the country and shrink the economy through wall street taxes, income tax raises and minimum wage increases. His policies Also threaten the energy sector and will result in increases in the rate of unemployment, higher commodity prices, increased inflation, reduced tax revenues, increased government spending and a resulting increase in government borrowing. Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.

This is pretty laughable... want me to explain to you why?

Yes you are welcome to explain your point of view. Here is Another Forbes article by a left leaning contributer.

http://www.forbes.com...

It is clear to me that the reason you're saying that these people are "left wing" or whatever is because you think that means they're not biased; the irony is that precisely because of *how* they lean (i.e. the extent to which they are to the left, such as moderate v. far left) should put you on notice of the specific kind of result they're tailoring their analysis to produce.

But I might explain why both are blowing smoke. I might not. Will depend if I have time.

I understand but i doubt you would have given more credence to articles from right wing contributors. Obviously if I had included articles from far left or socialist sources they would have tried to back up Sanders policies. The main aim of the articles was the points included in them. I just pointed out these articles were from left leaning contributors to avoid accusations of using biased right wing sources. It was to point out that amongst the left their was doubt about bernie's economic policies. Do you support him for the presidency?
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2/22/2016 7:32:20 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 7:20:16 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I feel like beng's biggest problem is that he prioritized economics far, far too much in politics. Good economics is almost always bad politics and vice versa. Especially since politics is about so much more than the economy.

That said, http://news.yahoo.com...

Yes I prioritize economics in politics. But it's not the only thing I think about. I have views on many issues that influence my political opinions and ideology. I would never though vote for a socialist candidate due to my economic concerns with the philosophy.
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2/22/2016 7:54:53 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 7:32:20 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/22/2016 7:20:16 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I feel like beng's biggest problem is that he prioritized economics far, far too much in politics. Good economics is almost always bad politics and vice versa. Especially since politics is about so much more than the economy.

That said, http://news.yahoo.com...

Yes I prioritize economics in politics. But it's not the only thing I think about. I have views on many issues that influence my political opinions and ideology. I would never though vote for a socialist candidate due to my economic concerns with the philosophy.

The path to reform starts at insolvency. Sanders can get us there.
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2/22/2016 7:57:12 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 7:24:59 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/22/2016 6:49:36 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/22/2016 6:33:52 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:09:17 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM, beng100 wrote:
Bernie sanders economic policies are very dangerous to the economy of the usa. As this article written by someone with liberal views shows.

http://www.forbes.com...

Sanders populist socialist policies that target the rich, business, aspiration, energy companies, the dead (through inheritance tax) and other countries. The reality is though that his economic policies combined will lead to businesses ceasing trading, cutting jobs, employing people below the minimum wage off the books and moving employment abroad. His policies Also scare the rich and successful out of the country and shrink the economy through wall street taxes, income tax raises and minimum wage increases. His policies Also threaten the energy sector and will result in increases in the rate of unemployment, higher commodity prices, increased inflation, reduced tax revenues, increased government spending and a resulting increase in government borrowing. Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.

This is pretty laughable... want me to explain to you why?

Yes you are welcome to explain your point of view. Here is Another Forbes article by a left leaning contributer.

http://www.forbes.com...

It is clear to me that the reason you're saying that these people are "left wing" or whatever is because you think that means they're not biased; the irony is that precisely because of *how* they lean (i.e. the extent to which they are to the left, such as moderate v. far left) should put you on notice of the specific kind of result they're tailoring their analysis to produce.

But I might explain why both are blowing smoke. I might not. Will depend if I have time.

I understand but i doubt you would have given more credence to articles from right wing contributors. Obviously if I had included articles from far left or socialist sources they would have tried to back up Sanders policies. The main aim of the articles was the points included in them. I just pointed out these articles were from left leaning contributors to avoid accusations of using biased right wing sources. It was to point out that amongst the left their was doubt about bernie's economic policies. Do you support him for the presidency?

I could care less what the political perspective of an analyst is.... I care about whether they're right. But if someone is wrong and they are trying to push a political candidate, that can reasonably explain why a person tailored their methodology in the way that they did.
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2/22/2016 7:58:41 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 7:57:12 PM, YYW wrote:

I could care less what the political perspective of an analyst is.... I care about whether they're right. But if someone is wrong and they are trying to push a political candidate, that can reasonably explain why a person tailored their methodology in the way that they did.

but but but...Obama is from KENYA
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2/22/2016 7:59:35 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 7:54:53 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/22/2016 7:32:20 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/22/2016 7:20:16 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I feel like beng's biggest problem is that he prioritized economics far, far too much in politics. Good economics is almost always bad politics and vice versa. Especially since politics is about so much more than the economy.

That said, http://news.yahoo.com...

Yes I prioritize economics in politics. But it's not the only thing I think about. I have views on many issues that influence my political opinions and ideology. I would never though vote for a socialist candidate due to my economic concerns with the philosophy.

The path to reform starts at insolvency. Sanders can get us there.

Agree
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2/22/2016 8:03:32 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 7:57:12 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/22/2016 7:24:59 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/22/2016 6:49:36 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/22/2016 6:33:52 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:09:17 PM, YYW wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM, beng100 wrote:
Bernie sanders economic policies are very dangerous to the economy of the usa. As this article written by someone with liberal views shows.

http://www.forbes.com...

Sanders populist socialist policies that target the rich, business, aspiration, energy companies, the dead (through inheritance tax) and other countries. The reality is though that his economic policies combined will lead to businesses ceasing trading, cutting jobs, employing people below the minimum wage off the books and moving employment abroad. His policies Also scare the rich and successful out of the country and shrink the economy through wall street taxes, income tax raises and minimum wage increases. His policies Also threaten the energy sector and will result in increases in the rate of unemployment, higher commodity prices, increased inflation, reduced tax revenues, increased government spending and a resulting increase in government borrowing. Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.

This is pretty laughable... want me to explain to you why?

Yes you are welcome to explain your point of view. Here is Another Forbes article by a left leaning contributer.

http://www.forbes.com...

It is clear to me that the reason you're saying that these people are "left wing" or whatever is because you think that means they're not biased; the irony is that precisely because of *how* they lean (i.e. the extent to which they are to the left, such as moderate v. far left) should put you on notice of the specific kind of result they're tailoring their analysis to produce.

But I might explain why both are blowing smoke. I might not. Will depend if I have time.

I understand but i doubt you would have given more credence to articles from right wing contributors. Obviously if I had included articles from far left or socialist sources they would have tried to back up Sanders policies. The main aim of the articles was the points included in them. I just pointed out these articles were from left leaning contributors to avoid accusations of using biased right wing sources. It was to point out that amongst the left their was doubt about bernie's economic policies. Do you support him for the presidency?

I could care less what the political perspective of an analyst is.... I care about whether they're right. But if someone is wrong and they are trying to push a political candidate, that can reasonably explain why a person tailored their methodology in the way that they did.

Fair enough your supporting Bernie then?
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2/22/2016 11:14:46 PM
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At 2/22/2016 5:26:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM, beng100 wrote:
Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.

^ This is posted by a guy whose favorite candidate is Trump.....

Are you a supporter of a man who's economic plans include spending an extra $18 trillion over the next ten years? Even if I'm proved completely wrong and all of bernie's tax increases work as he claims they will only an additional $7 trillion would be earned in tax revenue over the same ten years. So at best an extra $11 trillion of national debt. I dont see how Sanders is a safer bet for the presidency then trump. He poses a huge danger to the American economy.
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2/22/2016 11:18:48 PM
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At 2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM, beng100 wrote:
Bernie sanders economic policies are very dangerous to the economy of the usa. As this article written by someone with liberal views shows.

http://www.forbes.com...

Sanders populist socialist policies that target the rich, business, aspiration, energy companies, the dead (through inheritance tax) and other countries. The reality is though that his economic policies combined will lead to businesses ceasing trading, cutting jobs, employing people below the minimum wage off the books and moving employment abroad. His policies Also scare the rich and successful out of the country and shrink the economy through wall street taxes, income tax raises and minimum wage increases. His policies Also threaten the energy sector and will result in increases in the rate of unemployment, higher commodity prices, increased inflation, reduced tax revenues, increased government spending and a resulting increase in government borrowing. Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.

I can't wait for Trump to stump him too. And then they shake hands and Sanders becomes his VP.
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2/22/2016 11:28:00 PM
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At 2/22/2016 11:18:48 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM, beng100 wrote:
Bernie sanders economic policies are very dangerous to the economy of the usa. As this article written by someone with liberal views shows.

http://www.forbes.com...

Sanders populist socialist policies that target the rich, business, aspiration, energy companies, the dead (through inheritance tax) and other countries. The reality is though that his economic policies combined will lead to businesses ceasing trading, cutting jobs, employing people below the minimum wage off the books and moving employment abroad. His policies Also scare the rich and successful out of the country and shrink the economy through wall street taxes, income tax raises and minimum wage increases. His policies Also threaten the energy sector and will result in increases in the rate of unemployment, higher commodity prices, increased inflation, reduced tax revenues, increased government spending and a resulting increase in government borrowing. Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.

I can't wait for Trump to stump him too. And then they shake hands and Sanders becomes his VP.

I wonder what odds you could get on that combination if you bet on it! I see from the thread you made you somehow managed to get them as your two favorite candidates! I'm hoping for trump with Rubio as vice president.
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2/23/2016 12:45:26 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 7:32:20 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/22/2016 7:20:16 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I feel like beng's biggest problem is that he prioritized economics far, far too much in politics. Good economics is almost always bad politics and vice versa. Especially since politics is about so much more than the economy.

That said, http://news.yahoo.com...

Yes I prioritize economics in politics. But it's not the only thing I think about. I have views on many issues that influence my political opinions and ideology. I would never though vote for a socialist candidate due to my economic concerns with the philosophy.

I agree with you,the economy should always be prioritized. You can't screw up very much during a period of economic well being even if you are a mediocre president. (Dwight Eisenhower)
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2/23/2016 1:44:49 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/22/2016 11:14:46 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:26:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM, beng100 wrote:
Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.

^ This is posted by a guy whose favorite candidate is Trump.....

Are you a supporter of a man who's economic plans include

Let me cut you off right there and say that no, I do not support Sanders at all. Im only pointing at how hilarious it is that you think Sanders is a threat to the country, yet are still mindless enough to believe Trump is the best candidate in the field.
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2/23/2016 3:39:19 AM
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At 2/23/2016 1:44:49 AM, imabench wrote:
At 2/22/2016 11:14:46 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:26:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM, beng100 wrote:
Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.

^ This is posted by a guy whose favorite candidate is Trump.....

Are you a supporter of a man who's economic plans include

Let me cut you off right there and say that no, I do not support Sanders at all. Im only pointing at how hilarious it is that you think Sanders is a threat to the country, yet are still mindless enough to believe Trump is the best candidate in the field.

I think everyone needs to calm down on the apocalyptic rhetoric. Returning to pre-Reagan taxes and doing college tuition (again, was free pre-Reagan) is somehow the end of the world.
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2/23/2016 9:38:37 AM
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At 2/23/2016 1:44:49 AM, imabench wrote:
At 2/22/2016 11:14:46 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:26:51 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/22/2016 5:06:13 PM, beng100 wrote:
Sanders would ensure the USA went into another recession if elected president and he was able to implement all of his economic policies. He is clearly a great threat to America.

^ This is posted by a guy whose favorite candidate is Trump.....

Are you a supporter of a man who's economic plans include

Let me cut you off right there and say that no, I do not support Sanders at all. Im only pointing at how hilarious it is that you think Sanders is a threat to the country, yet are still mindless enough to believe Trump is the best candidate in the field.

Trump is an experienced businessman. He has had a very successful career. His investments cross a wide spectrum of industries, with technology companies, financial firms, defense contractors, and energy which are all represented in his portfolio. Trump also owns stock in many well-known companies including Apple, Nike, Whole Foods, Google, Philip Morris, Raytheon, Facebook, and Morgan Stanley, among others. He's certainly no imbecile. It's clear he knows more about finances and economics than Bernie. How does trump threaten the American economy?
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2/23/2016 1:56:51 PM
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At 2/23/2016 9:38:37 AM, beng100 wrote:

How does trump threaten the American economy?

Thank God you dont live in this country and actually have the power to vote
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