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2/23/2016 7:58:17 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
What's the deal with his citizenship and eligibility for the Presidency? I've spent about 15 minutes looking into it via google searches and it seems like the debate is still raging on.

According to the Constitution, he can't - but there are several loopholes I could see him hopping through.

This is the last article I read on the matter: http://www.usnews.com...

If someone is more knowledgeable on these things, can you please break down the issue and inform me on what the deal really is here? I'm just curious if he's up there wasting his time or if he will actually have legal grounds for becoming President should he win the nomination.
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2/23/2016 8:14:31 PM
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As far as I'm concerned he can.
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2/23/2016 8:43:09 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/23/2016 8:14:31 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
As far as I'm concerned he can.

Dang, this is what I feared - no clear consensus has been made yet. It's a tricky subject to be sure, because the Constitution is pretty clear - yet we've passed laws that he'd certainly use to make a case, and it'd be a good one to be sure.

This was more out of curiosity rather than genuine concern - but I'd like to know what everyone thinks or if there's been a consensus in the public sphere.

Thanks for sharing your opinion too!
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2/23/2016 9:03:50 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/23/2016 7:58:17 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
What's the deal with his citizenship and eligibility for the Presidency? I've spent about 15 minutes looking into it via google searches and it seems like the debate is still raging on.

According to the Constitution, he can't - but there are several loopholes I could see him hopping through.

This is the last article I read on the matter: http://www.usnews.com...

If someone is more knowledgeable on these things, can you please break down the issue and inform me on what the deal really is here? I'm just curious if he's up there wasting his time or if he will actually have legal grounds for becoming President should he win the nomination.

The problem is the Supreme Court has never actually defined what a naturally born citizen is. The thing is though, many a candidate have ran for nomination, and none have actually won, who were born abroad. Because their parents have US citizenship, technically they are US citizens at the time of birth. regardless of the place.

Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before it became an official US state. Yet despite that, he is still considered to be a US citizen, same as George Romney (pretty sure its Mitts grandpa I think?), and John McCain.

McCain for example was born in the Panama Canal. At the time it was not US territory, but laws were passed to retroactively grant citizenship to those individuals, which means McCain was still able to run, even though at one time he was not technically a US citizen. Although this is moot with his losing to Obama.

Some believe that the Courts may never rule on this because its something Congress needs to define at some point. Most lawsuits fail to show any legal basis for challenging a nominee.

Essentially, it honestly comes down to this becoming an issue when one candidate is winning, or a threat to win, and someone who is born in the US is crying fowl because its politically convenient for them to attack without looking like an asshat.
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2/23/2016 9:34:35 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/23/2016 7:58:17 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
What's the deal with his citizenship and eligibility for the Presidency? I've spent about 15 minutes looking into it via google searches and it seems like the debate is still raging on.

According to the Constitution, he can't - but there are several loopholes I could see him hopping through.

This is the last article I read on the matter: http://www.usnews.com...

If someone is more knowledgeable on these things, can you please break down the issue and inform me on what the deal really is here? I'm just curious if he's up there wasting his time or if he will actually have legal grounds for becoming President should he win the nomination.

He can't but there's really no way of enforcing it as the Supreme Court throws away 100% of presidential citizenship cases. The GOP itself would have to boot him from the ballot which also won't happen because now they're all in to defeat Trump.

There's absolutely no question that he is ineligible- there's multiple SC cases that define what a natural born citizen is in the rulings and Cruz doesn't fit them. That being said all the crap about the democrats suing him and a supreme court case is complete bull$hit.
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2/23/2016 9:35:57 PM
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At 2/23/2016 8:48:34 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 2/23/2016 8:14:31 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
As far as I'm concerned he can.

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2/23/2016 9:37:20 PM
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At 2/23/2016 9:03:50 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:58:17 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
What's the deal with his citizenship and eligibility for the Presidency? I've spent about 15 minutes looking into it via google searches and it seems like the debate is still raging on.

According to the Constitution, he can't - but there are several loopholes I could see him hopping through.

This is the last article I read on the matter: http://www.usnews.com...

If someone is more knowledgeable on these things, can you please break down the issue and inform me on what the deal really is here? I'm just curious if he's up there wasting his time or if he will actually have legal grounds for becoming President should he win the nomination.

The problem is the Supreme Court has never actually defined what a naturally born citizen is. The thing is though, many a candidate have ran for nomination, and none have actually won, who were born abroad. Because their parents have US citizenship, technically they are US citizens at the time of birth. regardless of the place.

Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before it became an official US state. Yet despite that, he is still considered to be a US citizen, same as George Romney (pretty sure its Mitts grandpa I think?), and John McCain.

McCain for example was born in the Panama Canal. At the time it was not US territory, but laws were passed to retroactively grant citizenship to those individuals, which means McCain was still able to run, even though at one time he was not technically a US citizen. Although this is moot with his losing to Obama.

Some believe that the Courts may never rule on this because its something Congress needs to define at some point. Most lawsuits fail to show any legal basis for challenging a nominee.

Essentially, it honestly comes down to this becoming an issue when one candidate is winning, or a threat to win, and someone who is born in the US is crying fowl because its politically convenient for them to attack without looking like an asshat.

There actually have been cases ruling on the subject. Check out this link. http://www.fourwinds10.net...
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2/24/2016 3:34:29 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/23/2016 9:03:50 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:58:17 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
What's the deal with his citizenship and eligibility for the Presidency? I've spent about 15 minutes looking into it via google searches and it seems like the debate is still raging on.

According to the Constitution, he can't - but there are several loopholes I could see him hopping through.

This is the last article I read on the matter: http://www.usnews.com...

If someone is more knowledgeable on these things, can you please break down the issue and inform me on what the deal really is here? I'm just curious if he's up there wasting his time or if he will actually have legal grounds for becoming President should he win the nomination.

The problem is the Supreme Court has never actually defined what a naturally born citizen is. The thing is though, many a candidate have ran for nomination, and none have actually won, who were born abroad. Because their parents have US citizenship, technically they are US citizens at the time of birth. regardless of the place.

Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before it became an official US state. Yet despite that, he is still considered to be a US citizen, same as George Romney (pretty sure its Mitts grandpa I think?), and John McCain.

McCain for example was born in the Panama Canal. At the time it was not US territory, but laws were passed to retroactively grant citizenship to those individuals, which means McCain was still able to run, even though at one time he was not technically a US citizen. Although this is moot with his losing to Obama.

Some believe that the Courts may never rule on this because its something Congress needs to define at some point. Most lawsuits fail to show any legal basis for challenging a nominee.

Essentially, it honestly comes down to this becoming an issue when one candidate is winning, or a threat to win, and someone who is born in the US is crying fowl because its politically convenient for them to attack without looking like an asshat.

Great information, I appreciate it. Thanks for sharing!
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2/24/2016 3:35:41 AM
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At 2/23/2016 9:37:20 PM, walker_harris3 wrote:
At 2/23/2016 9:03:50 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:58:17 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
What's the deal with his citizenship and eligibility for the Presidency? I've spent about 15 minutes looking into it via google searches and it seems like the debate is still raging on.

According to the Constitution, he can't - but there are several loopholes I could see him hopping through.

This is the last article I read on the matter: http://www.usnews.com...

If someone is more knowledgeable on these things, can you please break down the issue and inform me on what the deal really is here? I'm just curious if he's up there wasting his time or if he will actually have legal grounds for becoming President should he win the nomination.

The problem is the Supreme Court has never actually defined what a naturally born citizen is. The thing is though, many a candidate have ran for nomination, and none have actually won, who were born abroad. Because their parents have US citizenship, technically they are US citizens at the time of birth. regardless of the place.

Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before it became an official US state. Yet despite that, he is still considered to be a US citizen, same as George Romney (pretty sure its Mitts grandpa I think?), and John McCain.

McCain for example was born in the Panama Canal. At the time it was not US territory, but laws were passed to retroactively grant citizenship to those individuals, which means McCain was still able to run, even though at one time he was not technically a US citizen. Although this is moot with his losing to Obama.

Some believe that the Courts may never rule on this because its something Congress needs to define at some point. Most lawsuits fail to show any legal basis for challenging a nominee.

Essentially, it honestly comes down to this becoming an issue when one candidate is winning, or a threat to win, and someone who is born in the US is crying fowl because its politically convenient for them to attack without looking like an asshat.

There actually have been cases ruling on the subject. Check out this link. http://www.fourwinds10.net...

This is really good, I'll favorite the link and review it. Thanks!
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2/24/2016 4:54:13 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/23/2016 9:37:20 PM, walker_harris3 wrote:
At 2/23/2016 9:03:50 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 2/23/2016 7:58:17 PM, Blade-of-Truth wrote:
What's the deal with his citizenship and eligibility for the Presidency? I've spent about 15 minutes looking into it via google searches and it seems like the debate is still raging on.

According to the Constitution, he can't - but there are several loopholes I could see him hopping through.

This is the last article I read on the matter: http://www.usnews.com...

If someone is more knowledgeable on these things, can you please break down the issue and inform me on what the deal really is here? I'm just curious if he's up there wasting his time or if he will actually have legal grounds for becoming President should he win the nomination.

The problem is the Supreme Court has never actually defined what a naturally born citizen is. The thing is though, many a candidate have ran for nomination, and none have actually won, who were born abroad. Because their parents have US citizenship, technically they are US citizens at the time of birth. regardless of the place.

Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before it became an official US state. Yet despite that, he is still considered to be a US citizen, same as George Romney (pretty sure its Mitts grandpa I think?), and John McCain.

McCain for example was born in the Panama Canal. At the time it was not US territory, but laws were passed to retroactively grant citizenship to those individuals, which means McCain was still able to run, even though at one time he was not technically a US citizen. Although this is moot with his losing to Obama.

Some believe that the Courts may never rule on this because its something Congress needs to define at some point. Most lawsuits fail to show any legal basis for challenging a nominee.

Essentially, it honestly comes down to this becoming an issue when one candidate is winning, or a threat to win, and someone who is born in the US is crying fowl because its politically convenient for them to attack without looking like an asshat.

There actually have been cases ruling on the subject. Check out this link. http://www.fourwinds10.net...

Hmmm.... I think my american history prof forgot to mention this. Thanks!
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