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2/24/2016 4:27:21 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
The Presidency is the only federal position that has a term limit of 2 terms, with Senators and House Representatives being able to be re-elected as many times as they want, and with Supreme Court Justices serving for life or until they retire. Governors on the state level have term limits in some states (In Virginia its limited to one term interestingly)

If you could set term limits for the positions listed above though, what would you put the term/year limit at? Here is what I would set them at:

Presidency = 2 terms for 8 years (Current limit)

Senator = 5 terms for 30 years (8 of 100 current Senators have served for 29 years or longer https://en.wikipedia.org... )

House Representative = 10 terms for 20 years (27 current House Representatives have served for the past 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

Supreme Court = 20 years (Scalia served for 30, 4 of remaining 8 have served for longer than 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )
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2/24/2016 4:31:15 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
Presidency - 2 consecutive terms, and then madatory 12 years off.

Senate, House, SCOTUS - no limits

Gubernatorial - 3 consecutive terms, then mandatory 8 years off.
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2/24/2016 5:13:39 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/24/2016 4:27:21 PM, imabench wrote:
The Presidency is the only federal position that has a term limit of 2 terms, with Senators and House Representatives being able to be re-elected as many times as they want, and with Supreme Court Justices serving for life or until they retire. Governors on the state level have term limits in some states (In Virginia its limited to one term interestingly)

If you could set term limits for the positions listed above though, what would you put the term/year limit at? Here is what I would set them at:

Presidency = 2 terms for 8 years (Current limit)

Senator = 5 terms for 30 years (8 of 100 current Senators have served for 29 years or longer https://en.wikipedia.org... )

House Representative = 10 terms for 20 years (27 current House Representatives have served for the past 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

Supreme Court = 20 years (Scalia served for 30, 4 of remaining 8 have served for longer than 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

The supreme Executive authority of the United States to be vested in a Governour to be elected to serve during good behaviour--the election to be made by Electors chosen by the people in the Election Districts aforesaid--The authorities & functions of the Executive to be as follows: to have a negative on all laws about to be passed, and the execution of all laws passed, to have the direction of war when authorized or begun; to have with the advice and approbation of the Senate the power of making all treaties; to have the sole appointment of the heads or chief officers of the departments of Finance, War and Foreign Affairs; to have the nomination of all other officers (Ambassadors to foreign Nations included) subject to the approbation or rejection of the Senate; to have the power of pardoning all offences except Treason; which he shall not pardon without the approbation of the Senate.
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2/24/2016 5:27:33 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/24/2016 5:13:39 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 2/24/2016 4:27:21 PM, imabench wrote:
The Presidency is the only federal position that has a term limit of 2 terms, with Senators and House Representatives being able to be re-elected as many times as they want, and with Supreme Court Justices serving for life or until they retire. Governors on the state level have term limits in some states (In Virginia its limited to one term interestingly)

If you could set term limits for the positions listed above though, what would you put the term/year limit at? Here is what I would set them at:

Presidency = 2 terms for 8 years (Current limit)

Senator = 5 terms for 30 years (8 of 100 current Senators have served for 29 years or longer https://en.wikipedia.org... )

House Representative = 10 terms for 20 years (27 current House Representatives have served for the past 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

Supreme Court = 20 years (Scalia served for 30, 4 of remaining 8 have served for longer than 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

The supreme Executive authority of the United States to be vested in a Governour to be elected to serve during good behaviour--the election to be made by Electors chosen by the people in the Election Districts aforesaid--The authorities & functions of the Executive to be as follows: to have a negative on all laws about to be passed, and the execution of all laws passed, to have the direction of war when authorized or begun; to have with the advice and approbation of the Senate the power of making all treaties; to have the sole appointment of the heads or chief officers of the departments of Finance, War and Foreign Affairs; to have the nomination of all other officers (Ambassadors to foreign Nations included) subject to the approbation or rejection of the Senate; to have the power of pardoning all offences except Treason; which he shall not pardon without the approbation of the Senate.

No one doubts your ability to hit 'cut' and 'paste' but if you plan to do so, at least make it somewhat related to what is actually being discussed
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2/24/2016 5:39:44 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/24/2016 5:27:33 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/24/2016 5:13:39 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 2/24/2016 4:27:21 PM, imabench wrote:
The Presidency is the only federal position that has a term limit of 2 terms, with Senators and House Representatives being able to be re-elected as many times as they want, and with Supreme Court Justices serving for life or until they retire. Governors on the state level have term limits in some states (In Virginia its limited to one term interestingly)

If you could set term limits for the positions listed above though, what would you put the term/year limit at? Here is what I would set them at:

Presidency = 2 terms for 8 years (Current limit)

Senator = 5 terms for 30 years (8 of 100 current Senators have served for 29 years or longer https://en.wikipedia.org... )

House Representative = 10 terms for 20 years (27 current House Representatives have served for the past 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

Supreme Court = 20 years (Scalia served for 30, 4 of remaining 8 have served for longer than 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

The supreme Executive authority of the United States to be vested in a Governour to be elected to serve during good behaviour--the election to be made by Electors chosen by the people in the Election Districts aforesaid--The authorities & functions of the Executive to be as follows: to have a negative on all laws about to be passed, and the execution of all laws passed, to have the direction of war when authorized or begun; to have with the advice and approbation of the Senate the power of making all treaties; to have the sole appointment of the heads or chief officers of the departments of Finance, War and Foreign Affairs; to have the nomination of all other officers (Ambassadors to foreign Nations included) subject to the approbation or rejection of the Senate; to have the power of pardoning all offences except Treason; which he shall not pardon without the approbation of the Senate.

No one doubts your ability to hit 'cut' and 'paste' but if you plan to do so, at least make it somewhat related to what is actually being discussed

It was Hamilton's proposal to have the Executive not have any term limits, and would serve, like the SC, for life so long as they are of "good behavior". As you said, the presidency is currently the only position that has term limits. So, a proposal could be to change that. Where instead of being able to be constantly re-elected like in the House, he/she serves indefinitely and, because of this, he/she gains more powers than what is given to the executive in regards to the constitution. So, we have a President that "rules" so long as the people desire with the president being impeached when he/she no longer serves the people effectively. So, this clearly has to do with what is being discussed. It's an alternate solution for term limits.
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2/24/2016 5:58:52 PM
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At 2/24/2016 5:39:44 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 2/24/2016 5:27:33 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/24/2016 5:13:39 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 2/24/2016 4:27:21 PM, imabench wrote:
The Presidency is the only federal position that has a term limit of 2 terms, with Senators and House Representatives being able to be re-elected as many times as they want, and with Supreme Court Justices serving for life or until they retire. Governors on the state level have term limits in some states (In Virginia its limited to one term interestingly)

If you could set term limits for the positions listed above though, what would you put the term/year limit at? Here is what I would set them at:

Presidency = 2 terms for 8 years (Current limit)

Senator = 5 terms for 30 years (8 of 100 current Senators have served for 29 years or longer https://en.wikipedia.org... )

House Representative = 10 terms for 20 years (27 current House Representatives have served for the past 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

Supreme Court = 20 years (Scalia served for 30, 4 of remaining 8 have served for longer than 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

The supreme Executive authority of the United States to be vested in a Governour to be elected to serve during good behaviour--the election to be made by Electors chosen by the people in the Election Districts aforesaid--The authorities & functions of the Executive to be as follows: to have a negative on all laws about to be passed, and the execution of all laws passed, to have the direction of war when authorized or begun; to have with the advice and approbation of the Senate the power of making all treaties; to have the sole appointment of the heads or chief officers of the departments of Finance, War and Foreign Affairs; to have the nomination of all other officers (Ambassadors to foreign Nations included) subject to the approbation or rejection of the Senate; to have the power of pardoning all offences except Treason; which he shall not pardon without the approbation of the Senate.

No one doubts your ability to hit 'cut' and 'paste' but if you plan to do so, at least make it somewhat related to what is actually being discussed

- the Executive would serve for life so long as they are of "good behavior".
- he/she serves indefinitely and gains more powers than what is given to the executive in regards to the constitution
- we have a President that "rules" so long as the people desire with the president being impeached when he/she no longer serves the people effectively.

Sounds like a truly terrible alternate solution.
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2/24/2016 6:09:17 PM
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At 2/24/2016 4:27:21 PM, imabench wrote:
The Presidency is the only federal position that has a term limit of 2 terms, with Senators and House Representatives being able to be re-elected as many times as they want, and with Supreme Court Justices serving for life or until they retire. Governors on the state level have term limits in some states (In Virginia its limited to one term interestingly)

If you could set term limits for the positions listed above though, what would you put the term/year limit at? Here is what I would set them at:

Presidency = 2 terms for 8 years (Current limit)

Senator = 5 terms for 30 years (8 of 100 current Senators have served for 29 years or longer https://en.wikipedia.org... )

House Representative = 10 terms for 20 years (27 current House Representatives have served for the past 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

Supreme Court = 20 years (Scalia served for 30, 4 of remaining 8 have served for longer than 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

I agree with term limits. What is your reason for giving senators 30 years? I would probably say 20 year limits on all three roles. I also believe supreme court appointments should be made in a different way to how they are currently. All appointments are currently politically motivated. It would make more sense I think if the appointments were made on merit by a non politically biased method.
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2/24/2016 6:12:54 PM
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22 years actually for the senate as obviously 20 wouldent fit in with the electoral cycle. Maybe make all three 22 years.
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2/24/2016 6:20:13 PM
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At 2/24/2016 4:27:21 PM, imabench wrote:
The Presidency is the only federal position that has a term limit of 2 terms, with Senators and House Representatives being able to be re-elected as many times as they want, and with Supreme Court Justices serving for life or until they retire. Governors on the state level have term limits in some states (In Virginia its limited to one term interestingly)

If you could set term limits for the positions listed above though, what would you put the term/year limit at? Here is what I would set them at:

Presidency = 2 terms for 8 years (Current limit)

Senator = 5 terms for 30 years (8 of 100 current Senators have served for 29 years or longer https://en.wikipedia.org... )

House Representative = 10 terms for 20 years (27 current House Representatives have served for the past 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

Supreme Court = 20 years (Scalia served for 30, 4 of remaining 8 have served for longer than 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

Im satisfied with the current arrangement. The executive should be limited so he doesn't garnish too much power. If you don't want a congressmen to serve indefinitely, stop voting for them. Judges should be as far from the democratic process as much as humanly possible.
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2/24/2016 6:24:32 PM
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At 2/24/2016 6:09:17 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/24/2016 4:27:21 PM, imabench wrote:
The Presidency is the only federal position that has a term limit of 2 terms, with Senators and House Representatives being able to be re-elected as many times as they want, and with Supreme Court Justices serving for life or until they retire. Governors on the state level have term limits in some states (In Virginia its limited to one term interestingly)

If you could set term limits for the positions listed above though, what would you put the term/year limit at? Here is what I would set them at:

Presidency = 2 terms for 8 years (Current limit)

Senator = 5 terms for 30 years (8 of 100 current Senators have served for 29 years or longer https://en.wikipedia.org... )

House Representative = 10 terms for 20 years (27 current House Representatives have served for the past 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

Supreme Court = 20 years (Scalia served for 30, 4 of remaining 8 have served for longer than 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

I agree with term limits. What is your reason for giving senators 30 years? I would probably say 20 year limits on all three roles.

1) Senators are elected to 6 year terms, so a 20 year limit would in reality be equal to an 18 year limit of 3 terms.

2) Representatives are elected for 2 year terms so a 3 term limit would put the limit at 6 years in the House of Representatives. Almost 300 of the 435 House of Representatives have served for 6 years or longer, meaning a 3 term limit for the house would kick out over 70% of people who were elected which would be a massive upheaval.

3) I prefer to set a term limit for years to be at a number ending with a 0 for no particular reason (5 terms x 6 years a term = 30)

4) Putting the term limit at 3 terms would up the number of Senators who get affected/kicked out of a job from 8 out of 100 to 20 out of 100, and massively increase the number of House Representatives who also would be voting themselves out of a job if they voted for the term limits...... The more Senators and Hoouse Representatives who would lose their job from term limits, the more difficult it would be for an Amendment to implement term limits to be passed through Congress, since more people would vote against it in order to keep their job
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2/24/2016 6:29:54 PM
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At 2/24/2016 6:24:32 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/24/2016 6:09:17 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/24/2016 4:27:21 PM, imabench wrote:
The Presidency is the only federal position that has a term limit of 2 terms, with Senators and House Representatives being able to be re-elected as many times as they want, and with Supreme Court Justices serving for life or until they retire. Governors on the state level have term limits in some states (In Virginia its limited to one term interestingly)

If you could set term limits for the positions listed above though, what would you put the term/year limit at? Here is what I would set them at:

Presidency = 2 terms for 8 years (Current limit)

Senator = 5 terms for 30 years (8 of 100 current Senators have served for 29 years or longer https://en.wikipedia.org... )

House Representative = 10 terms for 20 years (27 current House Representatives have served for the past 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

Supreme Court = 20 years (Scalia served for 30, 4 of remaining 8 have served for longer than 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

I agree with term limits. What is your reason for giving senators 30 years? I would probably say 20 year limits on all three roles.

1) Senators are elected to 6 year terms, so a 20 year limit would in reality be equal to an 18 year limit of 3 terms.

2) Representatives are elected for 2 year terms so a 3 term limit would put the limit at 6 years in the House of Representatives. Almost 300 of the 435 House of Representatives have served for 6 years or longer, meaning a 3 term limit for the house would kick out over 70% of people who were elected which would be a massive upheaval.

3) I prefer to set a term limit for years to be at a number ending with a 0 for no particular reason (5 terms x 6 years a term = 30)

4) Putting the term limit at 3 terms would up the number of Senators who get affected/kicked out of a job from 8 out of 100 to 20 out of 100, and massively increase the number of House Representatives who also would be voting themselves out of a job if they voted for the term limits...... The more Senators and Hoouse Representatives who would lose their job from term limits, the more difficult it would be for an Amendment to implement term limits to be passed through Congress, since more people would vote against it in order to keep their job

Yes that makes sense actually. Your policies effectively stop people being in the job too long without forcing lots of people to quit or creating a huge upheaval.
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2/24/2016 6:54:40 PM
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At 2/24/2016 5:58:52 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/24/2016 5:39:44 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Sounds like a truly terrible alternate solution.

Well, Hamilton advocated for an elective monarchy who he called the Governour. The monarch would be limited by what he called the Legislature, consisting of the Assembly and the Senate. He also had the Court that would limit the monarch, and thus of course the constitution. We cannot deny that monarchies have been very successful in history, and those few examples of elective monarchies have also been successful.
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2/24/2016 7:34:53 PM
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At 2/24/2016 6:54:40 PM, PetersSmith wrote:

We cannot deny that monarchies have been very successful in history,

Actually we can, since an overwhelming number of countries that were monarchies are not monarchies anymore, nor are ruled by countries who are monarchy's either.

and those few examples of elective monarchies have also been successful.

Such as....?
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2/24/2016 7:42:41 PM
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I wouldn't change anything. Any changes would have little to no effect anyway, except changing the presidential term limits.
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2/24/2016 7:53:20 PM
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At 2/24/2016 7:34:53 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/24/2016 6:54:40 PM, PetersSmith wrote:

We cannot deny that monarchies have been very successful in history,

Actually we can, since an overwhelming number of countries that were monarchies are not monarchies anymore, nor are ruled by countries who are monarchy's either.

History does not equal present day. Today, almost all monarchies are hereditary monarchies.

and those few examples of elective monarchies have also been successful.

Such as....?

For one, the Holy Roman Empire. It eventually became hereditary thanks to Austria and failed. Norway was originally hereditary and eventually became an elective monarchy at several points in history. At one point in modern time there was an election succession that appointed Haakon VII, who is regarded as one of the greatest kings in Norwegian history. Venice of course was somewhat of an elective monarchy and it's fairly clear that they were extremely successful. William III of England and Mary II of England were also elected leaders outside of the norms, also being considered two of the greatest rulers in English history. But, as I said, there are few examples of elective monarchies and thus Hamilton's ideas shouldn't be completely dismissed.
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2/24/2016 8:17:49 PM
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At 2/24/2016 4:27:21 PM, imabench wrote:
The Presidency is the only federal position that has a term limit of 2 terms, with Senators and House Representatives being able to be re-elected as many times as they want, and with Supreme Court Justices serving for life or until they retire. Governors on the state level have term limits in some states (In Virginia its limited to one term interestingly)

If you could set term limits for the positions listed above though, what would you put the term/year limit at? Here is what I would set them at:

Presidency = 2 terms for 8 years (Current limit)

Senator = 5 terms for 30 years (8 of 100 current Senators have served for 29 years or longer https://en.wikipedia.org... )

House Representative = 10 terms for 20 years (27 current House Representatives have served for the past 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

Supreme Court = 20 years (Scalia served for 30, 4 of remaining 8 have served for longer than 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org... )

No consecutive terms for any position. Period.

It shouldn't take a unique genius to be able to listen to the people and vote the will of their constituency. Reelections are a waste, and a mess, like Jeb.
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2/25/2016 7:17:17 PM
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On the one hand, there's the fact that term limits create opportunities for bad, inexperienced politicians to take the spots of good politicians when they are forced to retire. On the other hand, term limits ensure that a politician cannot just ride the wave of political momentum forever (incumbents get reelected at extremely high rates). Not really sure which is more important.