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sadolite
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11/6/2010 3:29:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I would like to invite any and all who would refer to someone who is on the conservative right or any political organization on the political right as Nazis or fascists to please define your terms. Explain what fascism is and explain what a Nazi is and then correlate that into a conservative right person who believes in a Republic form of govt. Bonus Question. Why does the right always get these labels by default when in fact nothing could be more further from the truth.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
FREEDO
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11/6/2010 4:02:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/6/2010 3:29:48 PM, sadolite wrote:
I would like to invite any and all who would refer to someone who is on the conservative right or any political organization on the political right as Nazis or fascists to please define your terms. Explain what fascism is and explain what a Nazi is and then correlate that into a conservative right person who believes in a Republic form of govt. Bonus Question. Why does the right always get these labels by default when in fact nothing could be more further from the truth.

I never call them that out seriousness. But to say they are certainly wouldn't be "nothing further from the truth".
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11/6/2010 5:21:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/6/2010 3:32:31 PM, Cody_Franklin wrote:

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Mindless drivel
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
sadolite
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11/6/2010 5:47:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/6/2010 4:02:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/6/2010 3:29:48 PM, sadolite wrote:
I would like to invite any and all who would refer to someone who is on the conservative right or any political organization on the political right as Nazis or fascists to please define your terms. Explain what fascism is and explain what a Nazi is and then correlate that into a conservative right person who believes in a Republic form of govt. Bonus Question. Why does the right always get these labels by default when in fact nothing could be more further from the truth.

I never call them that out seriousness. But to say they are certainly wouldn't be "nothing further from the truth".

Fascism like Nazism like socialism like communism are all just different versions of the same thing, a centrally controlled govt. They all strip the individual of personal liberties equally and totally. I believe you can't answer the second question because you don't know the answer. In every election there are two sides, most commonly referred to as the "left" and the "right". The right gets labeled as fascist or Nazis because of pre WW2 elections. Communism in Germany, the left and Nazi's the right were the two choices. As you can see the people had only two hideous evils to choose from Socialism/communism or socialism/fascism/Nazi. Neither was worth voting for. But because the Nazi party was the "right" everyone automatically refers to the right in the US as Nazis or fascist. It is sheer ignorance and a complete and total lack of understanding of the political systems. The only thing to the right of a conservative republic form of govt is anarchy "NO GOVT" All other forms of Govt are to the left. I would be more correct in referring to a progressive as a Nazi or a fascist because they are for more govt control not less. They are for regulating behavior they are for regulating thought through political correctness. They are for regulating anything they can by using a centrally located power and doling out rights and privileges as they deem for the good of everyone or just a few.
It's not your views that divide us, it's what you think my views should be that divides us.

If you think I will give up my rights and forsake social etiquette to make you "FEEL" better you are sadly mistaken

If liberal democrats would just stop shooting people gun violence would drop by 90%
charleslb
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11/7/2010 2:56:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/6/2010 3:29:48 PM, sadolite wrote:
I would like to invite any and all who would refer to someone who is on the conservative right or any political organization on the political right as Nazis or fascists to please define your terms. Explain what fascism is and explain what a Nazi is and then correlate that into a conservative right person who believes in a Republic form of govt. Bonus Question. Why does the right always get these labels by default when in fact nothing could be more further from the truth.

Technically speaking a fascist isn't the same ugly animal as a Nazi, and of course to be scrupulously fair all conservatives do not deserve to be tarred with the same brush as either fascists or Nazis. That being said, however, fascists, Nazis, and conservatives do all have a certain family resemblance and that resemblance is more striking between some conservatives and fascists/Nazis than others.

This of course explains why it is that it's usually been people on the right, conservative side of the political spectrum who've been fascist/Nazi sympathizers. Sure, you also have conservatives such as Churchill who were staunchly anti-Nazi, but then on the other hand you had the ultraconservative Roman Catholic priest Father Coughlin (the first right-wing radio shock jock). The obvious explanation for the sympathy that some conservatives have had for fascists/Nazis is that they have an underlying mentality in common. And they do, I refer you to my thread about the nature of the conservative mind-set, I'll spare everyone a rehashing of my arguments there.

I'll just say here that both conservatives, religious fundamentalists, and fascists have what I call a dominance-oriented mentality. The fundamentalist and fascist wishes to use the power of the state to impose his will on the rest of society, and the "libertarian" type of conservative wants a socially-Darwinian situation in which he's perfectly free to practice an egoistic individualism and/or pursue social and economic dominance without being required to show any consideration for the good of others. Both mentalities are self-assertive and uncompassionate, which is why they often get expressed in uncompassionate ways and get lumped together as not-very-nice philosophies. Lumping them together is not always entirely fair, but it's not always entirely unfair either.
Yo, all of my subliterate conservative criticasters who find perusing and processing the sesquipedalian verbiage of my posts to be such a bothersome brain-taxing chore, I have a new nickname for you. Henceforth you shall be known as Pooh Bears. No, not for the obvious apt reasons, i.e., not because you're full of pooh, and not because of your ursine irritability. Rather, you put me in mind of an A.A. Milne quote, "I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, and long words bother me". Love ya, Pooh Bears.
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11/7/2010 3:10:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Read this book and you will understand things much better:
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It explains where and why conservatives, liberals, fascists, socialists, communists, Nazis etc. they fall where they do, and who belongs where.
FREEDO
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11/7/2010 3:15:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/6/2010 5:47:28 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 11/6/2010 4:02:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/6/2010 3:29:48 PM, sadolite wrote:
I would like to invite any and all who would refer to someone who is on the conservative right or any political organization on the political right as Nazis or fascists to please define your terms. Explain what fascism is and explain what a Nazi is and then correlate that into a conservative right person who believes in a Republic form of govt. Bonus Question. Why does the right always get these labels by default when in fact nothing could be more further from the truth.

I never call them that out seriousness. But to say they are certainly wouldn't be "nothing further from the truth".

Fascism like Nazism like socialism like communism are all just different versions of the same thing, a centrally controlled govt. They all strip the individual of personal liberties equally and totally. I believe you can't answer the second question because you don't know the answer. In every election there are two sides, most commonly referred to as the "left" and the "right". The right gets labeled as fascist or Nazis because of pre WW2 elections. Communism in Germany, the left and Nazi's the right were the two choices. As you can see the people had only two hideous evils to choose from Socialism/communism or socialism/fascism/Nazi. Neither was worth voting for. But because the Nazi party was the "right" everyone automatically refers to the right in the US as Nazis or fascist. It is sheer ignorance and a complete and total lack of understanding of the political systems. The only thing to the right of a conservative republic form of govt is anarchy "NO GOVT" All other forms of Govt are to the left. I would be more correct in referring to a progressive as a Nazi or a fascist because they are for more govt control not less. They are for regulating behavior they are for regulating thought through political correctness. They are for regulating anything they can by using a centrally located power and doling out rights and privileges as they deem for the good of everyone or just a few.

Both State-Socialism and State-Capitalism are of equal authoritarian nature. By the way, State-Communism is an oxymoron.
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11/7/2010 3:29:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/7/2010 3:15:53 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/6/2010 5:47:28 PM, sadolite wrote:
At 11/6/2010 4:02:21 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/6/2010 3:29:48 PM, sadolite wrote:
I would like to invite any and all who would refer to someone who is on the conservative right or any political organization on the political right as Nazis or fascists to please define your terms. Explain what fascism is and explain what a Nazi is and then correlate that into a conservative right person who believes in a Republic form of govt. Bonus Question. Why does the right always get these labels by default when in fact nothing could be more further from the truth.

I never call them that out seriousness. But to say they are certainly wouldn't be "nothing further from the truth".

Fascism like Nazism like socialism like communism are all just different versions of the same thing, a centrally controlled govt. They all strip the individual of personal liberties equally and totally. I believe you can't answer the second question because you don't know the answer. In every election there are two sides, most commonly referred to as the "left" and the "right". The right gets labeled as fascist or Nazis because of pre WW2 elections. Communism in Germany, the left and Nazi's the right were the two choices. As you can see the people had only two hideous evils to choose from Socialism/communism or socialism/fascism/Nazi. Neither was worth voting for. But because the Nazi party was the "right" everyone automatically refers to the right in the US as Nazis or fascist. It is sheer ignorance and a complete and total lack of understanding of the political systems. The only thing to the right of a conservative republic form of govt is anarchy "NO GOVT" All other forms of Govt are to the left. I would be more correct in referring to a progressive as a Nazi or a fascist because they are for more govt control not less. They are for regulating behavior they are for regulating thought through political correctness. They are for regulating anything they can by using a centrally located power and doling out rights and privileges as they deem for the good of everyone or just a few.

Both State-Socialism and State-Capitalism are of equal authoritarian nature. By the way, State-Communism is an oxymoron.

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