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USA military spending. increase or decrease?

beng100
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2/26/2016 8:56:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Considering the USA has a national debt of $19 trillion and a huge budget deficit it's logical for it to look at ways to save money and cut unnecessary spending. However the threat of conflict between Shia and Sunni Muslims and the rise of islamic state in the middle east combined with the rapidly improving and modern Chinese military and aggressive and provocative foreign policy being carried out by Putin makes an alternative case for spending increases.

Personally although i can see both arguments I would say it is logical to keep military spending at the current level. Thoughts?
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2/26/2016 9:13:56 PM
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Raise taxes on the rich, cut welfare across the board (Social Security especially), and raise military budget.
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2/26/2016 9:21:16 PM
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At 2/26/2016 9:13:56 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Raise taxes on the rich, cut welfare across the board (Social Security especially), and raise military budget.

How big an increase would you choose to make?
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2/26/2016 9:24:49 PM
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At 2/26/2016 9:13:56 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Raise taxes on the rich, cut welfare across the board (Social Security especially), and raise military budget.

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2/26/2016 9:25:49 PM
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At 2/26/2016 9:21:16 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/26/2016 9:13:56 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Raise taxes on the rich, cut welfare across the board (Social Security especially), and raise military budget.

How big an increase would you choose to make?

I would like to see a trillion dollar budget, but that's obviously unrealistic. At the minimum, 650 billion dollars.
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2/26/2016 9:30:14 PM
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At 2/26/2016 9:24:49 PM, imabench wrote:
At 2/26/2016 9:13:56 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Raise taxes on the rich, cut welfare across the board (Social Security especially), and raise military budget.

I hasn't nope rebuttal so I acts stupid

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2/26/2016 9:31:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/26/2016 9:25:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 2/26/2016 9:21:16 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/26/2016 9:13:56 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Raise taxes on the rich, cut welfare across the board (Social Security especially), and raise military budget.

How big an increase would you choose to make?

I would like to see a trillion dollar budget, but that's obviously unrealistic. At the minimum, 650 billion dollars.

400 billion euro if we cut down Army and Air Force personnal if no we have 430/460 billion euros in defence budjet. Maybe 100.000 Air Force soldier more. And the Army at least 520.000 soldiers.
beng100
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2/26/2016 10:06:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/26/2016 9:25:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 2/26/2016 9:21:16 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/26/2016 9:13:56 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Raise taxes on the rich, cut welfare across the board (Social Security especially), and raise military budget.

How big an increase would you choose to make?

I would like to see a trillion dollar budget, but that's obviously unrealistic. At the minimum, 650 billion dollars.

Fair enough. Yes while strategically beneficial spending a trillion dollars annually would be unsuitable and put too much strain on the economy.
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2/26/2016 10:09:58 PM
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At 2/26/2016 9:31:56 PM, JarmOlle wrote:
At 2/26/2016 9:25:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 2/26/2016 9:21:16 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/26/2016 9:13:56 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Raise taxes on the rich, cut welfare across the board (Social Security especially), and raise military budget.

How big an increase would you choose to make?

I would like to see a trillion dollar budget, but that's obviously unrealistic. At the minimum, 650 billion dollars.

400 billion euro if we cut down Army and Air Force personnal if no we have 430/460 billion euros in defence budjet. Maybe 100.000 Air Force soldier more. And the Army at least 520.000 soldiers.

Why are you using euro's when discussing American military spending?
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2/26/2016 10:23:56 PM
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At 2/26/2016 10:09:58 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/26/2016 9:31:56 PM, JarmOlle wrote:
At 2/26/2016 9:25:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 2/26/2016 9:21:16 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/26/2016 9:13:56 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Raise taxes on the rich, cut welfare across the board (Social Security especially), and raise military budget.

How big an increase would you choose to make?

I would like to see a trillion dollar budget, but that's obviously unrealistic. At the minimum, 650 billion dollars.

400 billion euro if we cut down Army and Air Force personnal if no we have 430/460 billion euros in defence budjet. Maybe 100.000 Air Force soldier more. And the Army at least 520.000 soldiers.

Why are you using euro's when discussing American military spending?

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2/26/2016 10:31:00 PM
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I just saw on CSPAN today the Commander in the Pacific has said that they no longer have the resources to do what they need around the world anymore and that further cuts would worsen the problem. I think we should look at where we are spending money in unnecessary fashion on the military and put that money to where it could actually be used in a worthwhile manner.
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2/26/2016 10:32:28 PM
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At 2/26/2016 10:26:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Decrease, definitely. US military spending is insane.

It really is. We have enough hi-tech to afford a reduction in raw manpower.
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2/26/2016 10:34:01 PM
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At 2/26/2016 10:31:00 PM, walker_harris3 wrote:
I just saw on CSPAN today the Commander in the Pacific has said that they no longer have the resources to do what they need around the world anymore and that further cuts would worsen the problem. I think we should look at where we are spending money in unnecessary fashion on the military and put that money to where it could actually be used in a worthwhile manner.

We shouldn't be the world's police force. Nato needs to protect itself.

We also can't afford to be the world's charity, we need border walls and enforcement.
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2/26/2016 10:36:31 PM
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At 2/26/2016 8:56:55 PM, beng100 wrote:
Considering the USA has a national debt of $19 trillion and a huge budget deficit it's logical for it to look at ways to save money and cut unnecessary spending. However the threat of conflict between Shia and Sunni Muslims and the rise of islamic state in the middle east combined with the rapidly improving and modern Chinese military and aggressive and provocative foreign policy being carried out by Putin makes an alternative case for spending increases.

Personally although i can see both arguments I would say it is logical to keep military spending at the current level. Thoughts?

I'm from the uk so I know I'm biased. It would be of benefit to Britain and the rest of Europe if the USA increased military spending and made some cuts in other areas to pay for it. I would be concerned if it decreased spending and I think the USA would have to take more of a pacifist/ backseat role in world affairs if it did. I doubt many Americans want that?
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2/26/2016 10:36:41 PM
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At 2/26/2016 10:34:01 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/26/2016 10:31:00 PM, walker_harris3 wrote:
I just saw on CSPAN today the Commander in the Pacific has said that they no longer have the resources to do what they need around the world anymore and that further cuts would worsen the problem. I think we should look at where we are spending money in unnecessary fashion on the military and put that money to where it could actually be used in a worthwhile manner.


We shouldn't be the world's police force. Nato needs to protect itself.

We also can't afford to be the world's charity, we need border walls and enforcement.

I would agree in cases of smaller nations but we're talking about China. You can't just let them militarize the south China sea. If you let them do that, who knows what else they would militarize. Appeasement doesn't work.
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2/26/2016 10:38:03 PM
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At 2/26/2016 10:36:41 PM, walker_harris3 wrote:
At 2/26/2016 10:34:01 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/26/2016 10:31:00 PM, walker_harris3 wrote:
I just saw on CSPAN today the Commander in the Pacific has said that they no longer have the resources to do what they need around the world anymore and that further cuts would worsen the problem. I think we should look at where we are spending money in unnecessary fashion on the military and put that money to where it could actually be used in a worthwhile manner.


We shouldn't be the world's police force. Nato needs to protect itself.

We also can't afford to be the world's charity, we need border walls and enforcement.

I would agree in cases of smaller nations but we're talking about China. You can't just let them militarize the south China sea. If you let them do that, who knows what else they would militarize. Appeasement doesn't work.

So cut a deal with China, allow then the south sea and We get say...Cuba.
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2/26/2016 10:43:35 PM
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At 2/26/2016 10:38:03 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/26/2016 10:36:41 PM, walker_harris3 wrote:
At 2/26/2016 10:34:01 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 2/26/2016 10:31:00 PM, walker_harris3 wrote:
I just saw on CSPAN today the Commander in the Pacific has said that they no longer have the resources to do what they need around the world anymore and that further cuts would worsen the problem. I think we should look at where we are spending money in unnecessary fashion on the military and put that money to where it could actually be used in a worthwhile manner.


We shouldn't be the world's police force. Nato needs to protect itself.

We also can't afford to be the world's charity, we need border walls and enforcement.

I would agree in cases of smaller nations but we're talking about China. You can't just let them militarize the south China sea. If you let them do that, who knows what else they would militarize. Appeasement doesn't work.

So cut a deal with China, allow then the south sea and We get say...Cuba.

How about we allow them the garbage water and we get our debt nullified
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2/26/2016 11:16:22 PM
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At 2/26/2016 10:36:31 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 2/26/2016 8:56:55 PM, beng100 wrote:
Considering the USA has a national debt of $19 trillion and a huge budget deficit it's logical for it to look at ways to save money and cut unnecessary spending. However the threat of conflict between Shia and Sunni Muslims and the rise of islamic state in the middle east combined with the rapidly improving and modern Chinese military and aggressive and provocative foreign policy being carried out by Putin makes an alternative case for spending increases.

Personally although i can see both arguments I would say it is logical to keep military spending at the current level. Thoughts?

I'm from the uk so I know I'm biased. It would be of benefit to Britain and the rest of Europe if the USA increased military spending and made some cuts in other areas to pay for it. I would be concerned if it decreased spending and I think the USA would have to take more of a pacifist/ backseat role in world affairs if it did. I doubt many Americans want that?

Agree it would benefit the uk to some extent if the usa increased military spending as the two countries share many strategic, military and political objectives. However I would not be particularly concerned if it decreased it either as we are not under any threat, have a large stockpile of nuclear weapons, nuclear submarines and a large well equipped modern military.
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2/27/2016 12:18:09 PM
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At 2/26/2016 11:16:22 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/26/2016 10:36:31 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 2/26/2016 8:56:55 PM, beng100 wrote:
Considering the USA has a national debt of $19 trillion and a huge budget deficit it's logical for it to look at ways to save money and cut unnecessary spending. However the threat of conflict between Shia and Sunni Muslims and the rise of islamic state in the middle east combined with the rapidly improving and modern Chinese military and aggressive and provocative foreign policy being carried out by Putin makes an alternative case for spending increases.

Personally although i can see both arguments I would say it is logical to keep military spending at the current level. Thoughts?

I'm from the uk so I know I'm biased. It would be of benefit to Britain and the rest of Europe if the USA increased military spending and made some cuts in other areas to pay for it. I would be concerned if it decreased spending and I think the USA would have to take more of a pacifist/ backseat role in world affairs if it did. I doubt many Americans want that?

Agree it would benefit the uk to some extent if the usa increased military spending as the two countries share many strategic, military and political objectives. However I would not be particularly concerned if it decreased it either as we are not under any threat, have a large stockpile of nuclear weapons, nuclear submarines and a large well equipped modern military.

True. Although a strong America gives the uk more of a say in world affairs. I'd definitely prefer them to significantly increase spending. It also makes it more likely our mutual enemies like Russia and China will not be as aggressive in their foreign policy as eastern Europe is vulnerable to Russian aggression while the south China sea is vulnerable to Chinese aggression. So is Taiwan.
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2/27/2016 9:25:10 PM
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At 2/26/2016 10:26:24 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Decrease, definitely. US military spending is insane.

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