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2/27/2016 1:50:40 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 1:01:06 AM, TheChristian wrote:
I am launching my own political party. Here is our manifesto.
https://docs.google.com...

Wait: IRL?
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2/27/2016 1:53:29 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 1:50:40 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:01:06 AM, TheChristian wrote:
I am launching my own political party. Here is our manifesto.
https://docs.google.com...

Wait: IRL?

Once we get a large enough following, and when the current supporters are able to vote, and make us an OFFICIAL party
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2/27/2016 1:56:10 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 1:53:29 AM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:50:40 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:01:06 AM, TheChristian wrote:
I am launching my own political party. Here is our manifesto.
https://docs.google.com...

Wait: IRL?

Once we get a large enough following, and when the current supporters are able to vote, and make us an OFFICIAL party

I'm beyond skeptical that you'll get anywhere with this, but color me interested for sure. Please keep me updated.
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2/27/2016 2:01:54 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 1:56:10 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:53:29 AM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:50:40 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:01:06 AM, TheChristian wrote:
I am launching my own political party. Here is our manifesto.
https://docs.google.com...

Wait: IRL?

Once we get a large enough following, and when the current supporters are able to vote, and make us an OFFICIAL party

I'm beyond skeptical that you'll get anywhere with this, but color me interested for sure. Please keep me updated.

You can get my email from that, I think. Or at least one of them. Use that, it's the only thing I can reliably be on
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2/27/2016 2:15:14 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 2:01:54 AM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:56:10 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:53:29 AM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:50:40 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:01:06 AM, TheChristian wrote:
I am launching my own political party. Here is our manifesto.
https://docs.google.com...

Wait: IRL?

Once we get a large enough following, and when the current supporters are able to vote, and make us an OFFICIAL party

I'm beyond skeptical that you'll get anywhere with this, but color me interested for sure. Please keep me updated.

You can get my email from that, I think. Or at least one of them. Use that, it's the only thing I can reliably be on

Uh, no, I have no way of finding out your email.
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2/27/2016 2:18:26 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 2:15:14 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 2/27/2016 2:01:54 AM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:56:10 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:53:29 AM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:50:40 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:01:06 AM, TheChristian wrote:
I am launching my own political party. Here is our manifesto.
https://docs.google.com...

Wait: IRL?

Once we get a large enough following, and when the current supporters are able to vote, and make us an OFFICIAL party

I'm beyond skeptical that you'll get anywhere with this, but color me interested for sure. Please keep me updated.

You can get my email from that, I think. Or at least one of them. Use that, it's the only thing I can reliably be on

Uh, no, I have no way of finding out your email.

I'll PM you
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2/27/2016 3:51:12 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 1:01:06 AM, TheChristian wrote:
I am launching my own political party. Here is our manifesto.
https://docs.google.com...

1 and 2. One and two are pretty contradictory. You want to make all abortions illegal (presumably this includes in cases of rape and if the mother's life is threatened), yet you also want to legalize the death penalty.

3. Communism is just a great thing. It will totally work out here.

4. Because that already works out so well with porn being "banned" for those under 18. Also, I'm pretty sure no one watches porn for an hour straight. Considering a large part of the internet contains porn in some way, that "law" is going to be pretty tough to enforce. And you're only going to promote an illegal porn industry to emerge (much like how people were making their own alcohol during prohibition).

5. "Politically informed" is very subjective here.

8. This is pretty ridiculous. You're instituting free housing and transportation, but also banning welfare to the vast majority of those who need it. You're going to cause inequality of the classes.

9. How vague. What about the House? Electoral college? General assembly?

10. What?

11. How vague. They better be pretty reformed if you're planning on providing universal free housing.

12. "Equality" apparently includes the subtext of "we can ban your freedom to choose and be pro-choice".

13. Wow. So not only are you giving them all houses, but you're also going to give every "mentally stable" person a gun. That is an atrocious idea. For one, you can't deem someone "mentally stable" for their entire life based on their current mental state when you apparently "give them" a gun. Two, you cannot really predict if they're going to be "prone to violence". So apparently your version of "equality" is equal ability to kill each other?

14. Clearly.

15. AKA Free* speech. Oh, and don't you dare be in favor of porn or abortions or we'll shut you up too.

16. Well, time to arrest every politician in existence. Also, "corruption against America" is not a federal crime, it should be something more like "fraud" or "treachery". Either way you word it, this policy is ridiculous. And what's with that latter part? "Least affected"? Shouldn't it be "most affected"?

17. You must really hate the less fortunate. So if you're fired for reasons "not related to your work", you're going to be on welfare for a "few months" and then you're screwed. You don't seem to be treating them very equally.

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2/27/2016 3:30:13 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 3:51:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:01:06 AM, TheChristian wrote:
I am launching my own political party. Here is our manifesto.
https://docs.google.com...

1 and 2. One and two are pretty contradictory. You want to make all abortions illegal (presumably this includes in cases of rape and if the mother's life is threatened), yet you also want to legalize the death penalty.

Well, would you want the guy who just murdered your entire family to get fed better than you? Abortion is just an atrocity. The baby didn't want to be brought into existence and you have no right to kill it.
3. Communism is just a great thing. It will totally work out here.

Communism is good, so long as it is kept in it's pure form
4. Because that already works out so well with porn being "banned" for those under 18. Also, I'm pretty sure no one watches porn for an hour straight. Considering a large part of the internet contains porn in some way, that "law" is going to be pretty tough to enforce. And you're only going to promote an illegal porn industry to emerge (much like how people were making their own alcohol during prohibition).

Maybe that's the idea.
5. "Politically informed" is very subjective here.

8. This is pretty ridiculous. You're instituting free housing and transportation, but also banning welfare to the vast majority of those who need it. You're going to cause inequality of the classes.

A few months of welfare is more than enough to get a job. Most people get jobs within a month, why support people who don't look for work?
9. How vague. What about the House? Electoral college? General assembly?

Just because something isn't mentioned doesn't mean that it won't be taken care of.
10. What?

11. How vague. They better be pretty reformed if you're planning on providing universal free housing.

12. "Equality" apparently includes the subtext of "we can ban your freedom to choose and be pro-choice".

No, it includes "All human beings (defined as any organism with human DNA by the UFN) have the right to life, which outweighs the right to "choose" to murder an unborn"
13. Wow. So not only are you giving them all houses, but you're also going to give every "mentally stable" person a gun. That is an atrocious idea. For one, you can't deem someone "mentally stable" for their entire life based on their current mental state when you apparently "give them" a gun. Two, you cannot really predict if they're going to be "prone to violence". So apparently your version of "equality" is equal ability to kill each other?

Again, there's more to this than what is written. Gun rights are in the constitution. And 95% of all gun crime is committed with illegal guns.
14. Clearly.

15. AKA Free* speech. Oh, and don't you dare be in favor of porn or abortions or we'll shut you up too.

Actively supporting unlawful activities is a crime, even today. So not much has changed
16. Well, time to arrest every politician in existence. Also, "corruption against America" is not a federal crime, it should be something more like "fraud" or "treachery". Either way you word it, this policy is ridiculous. And what's with that latter part? "Least affected"? Shouldn't it be "most affected"?

Most affected allows every politician to be indicted within a matter of days. You can't break the promises of the ones who helped you get to where you are. Politicians should be held to their word, not allowed to prey on the innocent people
17. You must really hate the less fortunate. So if you're fired for reasons "not related to your work", you're going to be on welfare for a "few months" and then you're screwed. You don't seem to be treating them very equally.

If you can work and don't, then you ARE screwed. See above
American Equality Party = American Radical Social Conservative Party
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2/27/2016 3:42:47 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 1:01:06 AM, TheChristian wrote:
I am launching my own political party. Here is our manifesto.
https://docs.google.com...

You call it the equality party yet ban all abortions. That's quite contradictory as you claim to offer equal rights to all citizens yet people are forced to die rather than have an abortion due to Christian beliefs. If your party truly was for equality it would allow abortions.
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2/27/2016 4:14:37 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 3:42:47 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:01:06 AM, TheChristian wrote:
I am launching my own political party. Here is our manifesto.
https://docs.google.com...

You call it the equality party yet ban all abortions. That's quite contradictory as you claim to offer equal rights to all citizens yet people are forced to die rather than have an abortion due to Christian beliefs. If your party truly was for equality it would allow abortions.

No one life is worth more than any other. Women have no right to kill their children, inside or outside their bodies. Christian beliefs are not the reason I'm pro life. What about the ones who survive abortions? What about the women who re rendered infertile due to abortions? Is it fair to them?
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2/27/2016 4:15:55 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 3:48:22 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Most of things on this doctrine are poor ideas, written poorly, or both.

Yet they all serve to make America great again, to borrow from Trump
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2/27/2016 4:20:27 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 4:15:55 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 3:48:22 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Most of things on this doctrine are poor ideas, written poorly, or both.

Yet they all serve to make America great again, to borrow from Trump

A bad idea cannot make something great.
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2/27/2016 5:11:00 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 1:01:06 AM, TheChristian wrote:
I am launching my own political party. Here is our manifesto.
https://docs.google.com...

Most of these are good ideas, but I doubt that you could gain enough support to accomplish anything. You'd be a lot better off joining the Republicans. A significant number of them would agree with you and you would be able to gain representation in the federal government.
I don't have a signature. :-)
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2/27/2016 9:45:12 PM
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At 2/27/2016 3:51:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
1 and 2. One and two are pretty contradictory. You want to make all abortions illegal (presumably this includes in cases of rape and if the mother's life is threatened), yet you also want to legalize the death penalty.

What's necessarily contradictory there?
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2/27/2016 10:24:23 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 5:11:00 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:01:06 AM, TheChristian wrote:
I am launching my own political party. Here is our manifesto.
https://docs.google.com...

Most of these are good ideas, but I doubt that you could gain enough support to accomplish anything. You'd be a lot better off joining the Republicans. A significant number of them would agree with you and you would be able to gain representation in the federal government.

The republican party is very flawed. I mean, they let Trump run. How screwed up can the republicans get?
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2/27/2016 10:25:35 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 4:20:27 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:15:55 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 3:48:22 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Most of things on this doctrine are poor ideas, written poorly, or both.

Yet they all serve to make America great again, to borrow from Trump

A bad idea cannot make something great.

It is not a bad idea. In fact, were you not an obtuse democrat, you could see that.
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2/27/2016 10:26:30 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 9:45:12 PM, someloser wrote:
At 2/27/2016 3:51:12 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
1 and 2. One and two are pretty contradictory. You want to make all abortions illegal (presumably this includes in cases of rape and if the mother's life is threatened), yet you also want to legalize the death penalty.

What's necessarily contradictory there?

EXACTLY
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2/27/2016 10:46:00 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 10:25:35 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:20:27 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:15:55 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 3:48:22 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Most of things on this doctrine are poor ideas, written poorly, or both.

Yet they all serve to make America great again, to borrow from Trump

A bad idea cannot make something great.

It is not a bad idea. In fact, were you not an obtuse democrat, you could see that.

Good thing I'm not one then, so I can see how much of what you suggested are bad ideas.
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2/27/2016 10:49:20 PM
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At 2/27/2016 10:46:00 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:25:35 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:20:27 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:15:55 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 3:48:22 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Most of things on this doctrine are poor ideas, written poorly, or both.

Yet they all serve to make America great again, to borrow from Trump

A bad idea cannot make something great.

It is not a bad idea. In fact, were you not an obtuse democrat, you could see that.

Good thing I'm not one then, so I can see how much of what you suggested are bad ideas.

You are simply an obtuse human being who cannot see past your own idiocy and political shortsightedness.
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2/27/2016 10:54:39 PM
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At 2/27/2016 10:49:20 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:46:00 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:25:35 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:20:27 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:15:55 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 3:48:22 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Most of things on this doctrine are poor ideas, written poorly, or both.

Yet they all serve to make America great again, to borrow from Trump

A bad idea cannot make something great.

It is not a bad idea. In fact, were you not an obtuse democrat, you could see that.

Good thing I'm not one then, so I can see how much of what you suggested are bad ideas.

You are simply an obtuse human being who cannot see past your own idiocy and political shortsightedness.

Says the person who wants to institute drug tests for welfare, which are nearly universally recognized as an enormous waste of money. Says the person who believes the majority of people on welfare are parasitic leeches who don't work (hint, they are not. Over 70% of welfare recipients are off welfare and back at work within a year). Says the person who doesn't acknowledge that some people physically or mentally cannot work. Says the person who wants "reform" when nobody has the slightest iota of a clue what that means. Says the person who believes the government should actually hand out guns to people. Whelp, health care is not a right, but guns and houses are, apparently. Says the person who wants to impose enormous totalitarian measures, drastically increasing the government's power, by banning Internet pornography and abortions.
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2/27/2016 10:57:25 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 10:24:23 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 5:11:00 PM, Bob13 wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:01:06 AM, TheChristian wrote:
I am launching my own political party. Here is our manifesto.
https://docs.google.com...

Most of these are good ideas, but I doubt that you could gain enough support to accomplish anything. You'd be a lot better off joining the Republicans. A significant number of them would agree with you and you would be able to gain representation in the federal government.

The republican party is very flawed. I mean, they let Trump run. How screwed up can the republicans get?

My point is that joining the Republican Party is the only way for you to accomplish anything with this ideology.
I don't have a signature. :-)
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2/27/2016 11:20:35 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 10:54:39 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:49:20 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:46:00 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:25:35 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:20:27 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:15:55 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 3:48:22 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Most of things on this doctrine are poor ideas, written poorly, or both.

Yet they all serve to make America great again, to borrow from Trump

A bad idea cannot make something great.

It is not a bad idea. In fact, were you not an obtuse democrat, you could see that.

Good thing I'm not one then, so I can see how much of what you suggested are bad ideas.

You are simply an obtuse human being who cannot see past your own idiocy and political shortsightedness.

Says the person who wants to institute drug tests for welfare, which are nearly universally recognized as an enormous waste of money. Says the person who believes the majority of people on welfare are parasitic leeches who don't work (hint, they are not. Over 70% of welfare recipients are off welfare and back at work within a year). Says the person who doesn't acknowledge that some people physically or mentally cannot work. Says the person who wants "reform" when nobody has the slightest iota of a clue what that means. Says the person who believes the government should actually hand out guns to people. Whelp, health care is not a right, but guns and houses are, apparently. Says the person who wants to impose enormous totalitarian measures, drastically increasing the government's power, by banning Internet pornography and abortions.

Welfare should have a limit so people can't just live on welfare. They should have to get a job so they can get back to contributing to society. They shouldn't be allowed to spend their money on drugs. The ones who can work have to and the ones who can't get to reap the benefits, same as the others. I didn't put in "Removal of disability". I didn't say guns should be handouts, but merely available for those who want them. 95% of crime is committed with illegal guns, so banning them simply takes away defense from the innocent. Health care should be a right, but at the moment, programs exist to make things easier. Not saying health care shouldn't be free, but not an immediate priority. Abortions kill people, or at least fetuses, which drastically reduces the amount of children born. Overall consequence? less and less people born every year, and that number keeps dropping every day. Eventually, America will start losing population. We will have to make having kids MANDATORY so we don't die out. Illegal abortions will still happen, and they will be treated the same as murder of an adult. Illegal porn will be allowed to be distributed with no consequences, thus, merely a limit on how it can be distributed legally. Less taxes on porn. And the government takes away no real rights, just perceived rights. After that, euthanasia legalization and death penalty modifications and legalizations, and, most importantly, universal free health care free and easy access to information, full transparency, an un-lying government, and the country is better for it. So please, tell me one real reason that you have to trash my political beliefs.
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2/28/2016 12:22:16 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 11:20:35 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:54:39 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:49:20 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:46:00 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:25:35 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:20:27 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:15:55 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 3:48:22 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Most of things on this doctrine are poor ideas, written poorly, or both.

Yet they all serve to make America great again, to borrow from Trump

A bad idea cannot make something great.

It is not a bad idea. In fact, were you not an obtuse democrat, you could see that.

Good thing I'm not one then, so I can see how much of what you suggested are bad ideas.

You are simply an obtuse human being who cannot see past your own idiocy and political shortsightedness.

Says the person who wants to institute drug tests for welfare, which are nearly universally recognized as an enormous waste of money. Says the person who believes the majority of people on welfare are parasitic leeches who don't work (hint, they are not. Over 70% of welfare recipients are off welfare and back at work within a year). Says the person who doesn't acknowledge that some people physically or mentally cannot work. Says the person who wants "reform" when nobody has the slightest iota of a clue what that means. Says the person who believes the government should actually hand out guns to people. Whelp, health care is not a right, but guns and houses are, apparently. Says the person who wants to impose enormous totalitarian measures, drastically increasing the government's power, by banning Internet pornography and abortions.

Welfare should have a limit so people can't just live on welfare. They should have to get a job so they can get back to contributing to society. They shouldn't be allowed to spend their money on drugs. The ones who can work have to and the ones who can't get to reap the benefits, same as the others. I didn't put in "Removal of disability".

Actually, you did. You said abolish it for everyone except laid-off workers/families. Most welfare programs do have a limit, and most welfare recipients, as I said, already get off welfare quickly. The vast, VAST majority of people on welfare are there because they need to, not because they are lazy.

I didn't say guns should be handouts, but merely available for those who want them.

As they are, right now, for anyone who can pass a background check and hold a license. Making it "available to anyone who wants one" is the same thing as making it a handout.

95% of crime is committed with illegal guns, so banning them simply takes away defense from the innocent.

I seriously doubt this statistic.

Health care should be a right, but at the moment, programs exist to make things easier. Not saying health care shouldn't be free, but not an immediate priority. Abortions kill people, or at least fetuses, which drastically reduces the amount of children born. Overall consequence? less and less people born every year, and that number keeps dropping every day. Eventually, America will start losing population. We will have to make having kids MANDATORY so we don't die out.

LOL. Overpopulation is one of the greatest threats in the world today. Try again.

Illegal abortions will still happen, and they will be treated the same as murder of an adult. Illegal porn will be allowed to be distributed with no consequences, thus, merely a limit on how it can be distributed legally.

I have a hard time addressing this without being insulting, but I'll try. If something is illegal, that means, by definition, THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES FOR DOING IT.

Less taxes on porn. And the government takes away no real rights, just perceived rights. After that, euthanasia legalization and death penalty modifications and legalizations, and, most importantly, universal free health care free and easy access to information, full transparency, an un-lying government, and the country is better for it. So please, tell me one real reason that you have to trash my political beliefs.
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2/28/2016 12:31:01 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/28/2016 12:22:16 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 11:20:35 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:54:39 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:49:20 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:46:00 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:25:35 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:20:27 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:15:55 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 3:48:22 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Most of things on this doctrine are poor ideas, written poorly, or both.

Yet they all serve to make America great again, to borrow from Trump

A bad idea cannot make something great.

It is not a bad idea. In fact, were you not an obtuse democrat, you could see that.

Good thing I'm not one then, so I can see how much of what you suggested are bad ideas.

You are simply an obtuse human being who cannot see past your own idiocy and political shortsightedness.

Says the person who wants to institute drug tests for welfare, which are nearly universally recognized as an enormous waste of money. Says the person who believes the majority of people on welfare are parasitic leeches who don't work (hint, they are not. Over 70% of welfare recipients are off welfare and back at work within a year). Says the person who doesn't acknowledge that some people physically or mentally cannot work. Says the person who wants "reform" when nobody has the slightest iota of a clue what that means. Says the person who believes the government should actually hand out guns to people. Whelp, health care is not a right, but guns and houses are, apparently. Says the person who wants to impose enormous totalitarian measures, drastically increasing the government's power, by banning Internet pornography and abortions.

Welfare should have a limit so people can't just live on welfare. They should have to get a job so they can get back to contributing to society. They shouldn't be allowed to spend their money on drugs. The ones who can work have to and the ones who can't get to reap the benefits, same as the others. I didn't put in "Removal of disability".

Actually, you did. You said abolish it for everyone except laid-off workers/families. Most welfare programs do have a limit, and most welfare recipients, as I said, already get off welfare quickly. The vast, VAST majority of people on welfare are there because they need to, not because they are lazy.

Well, I want to add extra incentive to speed things up. Efficiency over luxury, but luxury along with efficiency.
I didn't say guns should be handouts, but merely available for those who want them.

As they are, right now, for anyone who can pass a background check and hold a license. Making it "available to anyone who wants one" is the same thing as making it a handout.

I did say within reason. Keeping the current standards and not limiting the ability to own weapons.
95% of crime is committed with illegal guns, so banning them simply takes away defense from the innocent.

I seriously doubt this statistic.

http://gun.laws.com...
Health care should be a right, but at the moment, programs exist to make things easier. Not saying health care shouldn't be free, but not an immediate priority. Abortions kill people, or at least fetuses, which drastically reduces the amount of children born. Overall consequence? less and less people born every year, and that number keeps dropping every day. Eventually, America will start losing population. We will have to make having kids MANDATORY so we don't die out.

LOL. Overpopulation is one of the greatest threats in the world today. Try again.

The population isn't going to rise forever. With viruses rampant, abortions (3,000 per day in the US) and starvation, this means that the birth-death ratio is slowly becoming unbalanced
Illegal abortions will still happen, and they will be treated the same as murder of an adult. Illegal porn will be allowed to be distributed with no consequences, thus, merely a limit on how it can be distributed legally.

I have a hard time addressing this without being insulting, but I'll try. If something is illegal, that means, by definition, THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES FOR DOING IT.

I didn't say there wouldn't be penalties that would be put in effect, but these would be, by my plan, unused most of the time, just enough to deter people
Less taxes on porn. And the government takes away no real rights, just perceived rights. After that, euthanasia legalization and death penalty modifications and legalizations, and, most importantly, universal free health care free and easy access to information, full transparency, an un-lying government, and the country is better for it. So please, tell me one real reason that you have to trash my political beliefs.
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2/28/2016 12:37:27 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/28/2016 12:31:01 AM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/28/2016 12:22:16 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 11:20:35 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:54:39 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:49:20 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:46:00 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 10:25:35 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:20:27 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:15:55 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 3:48:22 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Most of things on this doctrine are poor ideas, written poorly, or both.

Yet they all serve to make America great again, to borrow from Trump

A bad idea cannot make something great.

It is not a bad idea. In fact, were you not an obtuse democrat, you could see that.

Good thing I'm not one then, so I can see how much of what you suggested are bad ideas.

You are simply an obtuse human being who cannot see past your own idiocy and political shortsightedness.

Says the person who wants to institute drug tests for welfare, which are nearly universally recognized as an enormous waste of money. Says the person who believes the majority of people on welfare are parasitic leeches who don't work (hint, they are not. Over 70% of welfare recipients are off welfare and back at work within a year). Says the person who doesn't acknowledge that some people physically or mentally cannot work. Says the person who wants "reform" when nobody has the slightest iota of a clue what that means. Says the person who believes the government should actually hand out guns to people. Whelp, health care is not a right, but guns and houses are, apparently. Says the person who wants to impose enormous totalitarian measures, drastically increasing the government's power, by banning Internet pornography and abortions.

Welfare should have a limit so people can't just live on welfare. They should have to get a job so they can get back to contributing to society. They shouldn't be allowed to spend their money on drugs. The ones who can work have to and the ones who can't get to reap the benefits, same as the others. I didn't put in "Removal of disability".

Actually, you did. You said abolish it for everyone except laid-off workers/families. Most welfare programs do have a limit, and most welfare recipients, as I said, already get off welfare quickly. The vast, VAST majority of people on welfare are there because they need to, not because they are lazy.

Well, I want to add extra incentive to speed things up. Efficiency over luxury, but luxury along with efficiency.

Oh, so when the facts don't want to go your way, you decide to place your own personal beliefs in front anyway.

I didn't say guns should be handouts, but merely available for those who want them.

As they are, right now, for anyone who can pass a background check and hold a license. Making it "available to anyone who wants one" is the same thing as making it a handout.

I did say within reason. Keeping the current standards and not limiting the ability to own weapons.

So...this change is meaningless, then. Preserve the status quo.

95% of crime is committed with illegal guns, so banning them simply takes away defense from the innocent.

I seriously doubt this statistic.

http://gun.laws.com...

Yeah, let's look at a more reputable source.
https://www.ncjrs.gov...
http://www.bjs.gov...

Health care should be a right, but at the moment, programs exist to make things easier. Not saying health care shouldn't be free, but not an immediate priority. Abortions kill people, or at least fetuses, which drastically reduces the amount of children born. Overall consequence? less and less people born every year, and that number keeps dropping every day. Eventually, America will start losing population. We will have to make having kids MANDATORY so we don't die out.

LOL. Overpopulation is one of the greatest threats in the world today. Try again.

The population isn't going to rise forever. With viruses rampant, abortions (3,000 per day in the US) and starvation, this means that the birth-death ratio is slowly becoming unbalanced

With the increases in medical science and technology, especially with regard to American's increased longevity, the population is not nor will be a problem. Not unless it continues to grow, which puts massive strain on limited food and energy resources,

Illegal abortions will still happen, and they will be treated the same as murder of an adult. Illegal porn will be allowed to be distributed with no consequences, thus, merely a limit on how it can be distributed legally.

I have a hard time addressing this without being insulting, but I'll try. If something is illegal, that means, by definition, THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES FOR DOING IT.

I didn't say there wouldn't be penalties that would be put in effect, but these would be, by my plan, unused most of the time, just enough to deter people

So...this is also entirely pointless. Not to mention that banning porn is stupid. There's no reason to do it.

Less taxes on porn. And the government takes away no real rights, just perceived rights. After that, euthanasia legalization and death penalty modifications and legalizations, and, most importantly, universal free health care free and easy access to information, full transparency, an un-lying government, and the country is better for it. So please, tell me one real reason that you have to trash my political beliefs.
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2/28/2016 1:38:07 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/27/2016 4:14:37 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 3:42:47 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:01:06 AM, TheChristian wrote:
I am launching my own political party. Here is our manifesto.
https://docs.google.com...

You call it the equality party yet ban all abortions. That's quite contradictory as you claim to offer equal rights to all citizens yet people are forced to die rather than have an abortion due to Christian beliefs. If your party truly was for equality it would allow abortions.

No one life is worth more than any other. Women have no right to kill their children, inside or outside their bodies. Christian beliefs are not the reason I'm pro life. What about the ones who survive abortions? What about the women who re rendered infertile due to abortions? Is it fair to them?

I have a different view. I don't value the life of a foetus any more than an animal due to its low level of cognitive development. Therefore im in favour of allowing abortions at any stage of pregnancy. The key thing I'm asking though is would you allow a woman who's life is threatened by the pregnancy to have an abortion? And rape victims? I respect pro life arguments as long as they accept these two exceptions. Denying a rape victim or someone who's life is in danger an abortion is a crazy argument to make in my view. It is one that can only be made by someone who has not been the victim of rape or is in danger of dying due to a pregnancy.
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2/28/2016 2:03:01 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 2/28/2016 1:38:07 AM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/27/2016 4:14:37 PM, TheChristian wrote:
At 2/27/2016 3:42:47 PM, beng100 wrote:
At 2/27/2016 1:01:06 AM, TheChristian wrote:
I am launching my own political party. Here is our manifesto.
https://docs.google.com...

You call it the equality party yet ban all abortions. That's quite contradictory as you claim to offer equal rights to all citizens yet people are forced to die rather than have an abortion due to Christian beliefs. If your party truly was for equality it would allow abortions.

No one life is worth more than any other. Women have no right to kill their children, inside or outside their bodies. Christian beliefs are not the reason I'm pro life. What about the ones who survive abortions? What about the women who re rendered infertile due to abortions? Is it fair to them?

I have a different view. I don't value the life of a foetus any more than an animal due to its low level of cognitive development. Therefore im in favour of allowing abortions at any stage of pregnancy. The key thing I'm asking though is would you allow a woman who's life is threatened by the pregnancy to have an abortion? And rape victims? I respect pro life arguments as long as they accept these two exceptions. Denying a rape victim or someone who's life is in danger an abortion is a crazy argument to make in my view. It is one that can only be made by someone who has not been the victim of rape or is in danger of dying due to a pregnancy.

I honestly am undecided there. But I a very pro life.