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Is Sanders as left wing as Corbyn?

Chloe8
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2/28/2016 2:17:04 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
In the UK we have an opposition party called the Labour party. It is led by a self proclaimed socialist Jeremy corbyn. From what I have seen of Sanders policies he looks possibly even more left wing then Corbyn. However the media seem to think he is slightly more moderate. I can't see how though. Both are very similar I think and are popular because they promise unrealistic wealth and success for their supporters and are anti establishment.
beng100
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2/28/2016 3:16:48 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/28/2016 2:17:04 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the UK we have an opposition party called the Labour party. It is led by a self proclaimed socialist Jeremy corbyn. From what I have seen of Sanders policies he looks possibly even more left wing then Corbyn. However the media seem to think he is slightly more moderate. I can't see how though. Both are very similar I think and are popular because they promise unrealistic wealth and success for their supporters and are anti establishment.

In my view Corbyn is further to the left. Yes Sanders has some extreme policies but corbyn are actually more extreme. He is to some extent though contained by his political party and made to appear less extreme while Sanders is free to say what he likes while running for nomination. However both are clearly a big danger to their respective countries as their policies are economically catastrophic. Corbyn also threatens Britain's national security by threatening to get rid of its nuclear weapons.
Emilrose
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2/28/2016 7:49:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Indeed--policies into account, I'd say he probably is as 'left-wing as Corbyn.' (I personally don't think either is more or less left-wing than the other.) Both of their policies are extremely similar--the only difference would be what issues are considered more significant in both of their respective countries.

One thing I will say is that Sanders seems to place more emphasis on 'uniting' already existing immigrants within the U.S and ensuring citizenship for them, but he's indicated that the U.S should 'not open up its borders' for new ones.

Corbyn, however, has specified numerous times that all immigration should essentially be accepted and that those fleeing warzones in the Middle East/North Africa, should be able to seek permanent refuge in the U.K. It's important to keep in mind that while both Sanders and Corbyn are socialists, there's varying points of interest between the U.K and U.S. The area where their views collaborate the most is foreign policy (in particular regarding the Middle East.) and economics; both want higher taxing on the very rich and for large companies to pay their (full) share. Education is also one thing that each want to see tuition fees significantly decreased. In Corbyn's case, he'd remove university fees entirely and replace them with grants.
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3/1/2016 10:00:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/28/2016 2:17:04 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the UK we have an opposition party called the Labour party. It is led by a self proclaimed socialist Jeremy corbyn. From what I have seen of Sanders policies he looks possibly even more left wing then Corbyn. However the media seem to think he is slightly more moderate. I can't see how though. Both are very similar I think and are popular because they promise unrealistic wealth and success for their supporters and are anti establishment.

I am a supporter of both Corbyn and Sanders, and while the two hold similar economic and social views, their views on foreign policy are quite different. While Sanders was opposed to the Iraq war, is against nuclear arms and wants a LESS aggressive foreign policy, he is still a moderate on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and he supports limited action in Syria and supported the 1990s intervention in Kosovo. Corbyn is a hardline anti-interventionist and former board member of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign. I would like Sanders to embrace his Democratic Socialism more, but he fears that this would alienate votes.

This Channel 4 News segment does a good job of explaining the similarities and differences between the two.
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3/3/2016 10:23:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
They're both idiots, I'll tell you that much.
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3/3/2016 11:15:54 PM
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At 3/3/2016 10:23:13 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
They're both idiots, I'll tell you that much.

I agree! I'm a Cameron/ conservatives supporter in the uk. Don't know much about US politics but probably Kasich out of the candidates running for president.
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3/3/2016 11:20:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2016 11:15:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/3/2016 10:23:13 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
They're both idiots, I'll tell you that much.

I agree! I'm a Cameron/ conservatives supporter in the uk. Don't know much about US politics but probably Kasich out of the candidates running for president.

I don't care about their moral integrity so much as I care about their economic and domestic policy. Doing good and being compassionate with other people's money is the epitome of Corbyn and Sanders, yet both are economic illiterates and their supporters are far worse in their fervor and blind obedience to the stupidity and whims of the average left.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
Chloe8
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3/3/2016 11:31:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2016 11:20:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 3/3/2016 11:15:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/3/2016 10:23:13 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
They're both idiots, I'll tell you that much.

I agree! I'm a Cameron/ conservatives supporter in the uk. Don't know much about US politics but probably Kasich out of the candidates running for president.

I don't care about their moral integrity so much as I care about their economic and domestic policy. Doing good and being compassionate with other people's money is the epitome of Corbyn and Sanders, yet both are economic illiterates and their supporters are far worse in their fervor and blind obedience to the stupidity and whims of the average left.

Yes I agree the philosophy of Sanders and corbyn is highly compassionate but is not economically possible. If either got in power then debt would spiral and the economy stagnate.
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3/3/2016 11:35:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2016 11:31:37 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/3/2016 11:20:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 3/3/2016 11:15:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/3/2016 10:23:13 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
They're both idiots, I'll tell you that much.

I agree! I'm a Cameron/ conservatives supporter in the uk. Don't know much about US politics but probably Kasich out of the candidates running for president.

I don't care about their moral integrity so much as I care about their economic and domestic policy. Doing good and being compassionate with other people's money is the epitome of Corbyn and Sanders, yet both are economic illiterates and their supporters are far worse in their fervor and blind obedience to the stupidity and whims of the average left.

Yes I agree the philosophy of Sanders and corbyn is highly compassionate but is not economically possible. If either got in power then debt would spiral and the economy stagnate.

I don't think they are too compassionate as well. They seem to want power and control more than the ending of poverty. If they truly were compassionate, they would realize the inadequacy in forcefully stripping people of their income and distributing it to others that did not earn it; they would also learn that poverty measures by government have largely failed. Compassion and being able to truly be compassionate rationally are characteristics that are not found in these two.
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
Chloe8
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3/4/2016 12:16:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2016 11:35:21 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 3/3/2016 11:31:37 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/3/2016 11:20:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 3/3/2016 11:15:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/3/2016 10:23:13 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
They're both idiots, I'll tell you that much.

I agree! I'm a Cameron/ conservatives supporter in the uk. Don't know much about US politics but probably Kasich out of the candidates running for president.

I don't care about their moral integrity so much as I care about their economic and domestic policy. Doing good and being compassionate with other people's money is the epitome of Corbyn and Sanders, yet both are economic illiterates and their supporters are far worse in their fervor and blind obedience to the stupidity and whims of the average left.

Yes I agree the philosophy of Sanders and corbyn is highly compassionate but is not economically possible. If either got in power then debt would spiral and the economy stagnate.

I don't think they are too compassionate as well. They seem to want power and control more than the ending of poverty. If they truly were compassionate, they would realize the inadequacy in forcefully stripping people of their income and distributing it to others that did not earn it; they would also learn that poverty measures by government have largely failed. Compassion and being able to truly be compassionate rationally are characteristics that are not found in these two.

Fair enough. It's fair to say they have a mutual hate for the rich. I think they genuinely mean well to be honest but don't realize that their policies don't work. In some ways I think corbyn is too compassionate, e.g. wanting to let in large numbers of Syrian migrants. I also think he threatens the national security of our country as he plans to get rid of our nuclear submarines.
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3/4/2016 12:38:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/4/2016 12:16:25 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/3/2016 11:35:21 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 3/3/2016 11:31:37 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/3/2016 11:20:44 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
At 3/3/2016 11:15:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/3/2016 10:23:13 PM, bballcrook21 wrote:
They're both idiots, I'll tell you that much.

I agree! I'm a Cameron/ conservatives supporter in the uk. Don't know much about US politics but probably Kasich out of the candidates running for president.

I don't care about their moral integrity so much as I care about their economic and domestic policy. Doing good and being compassionate with other people's money is the epitome of Corbyn and Sanders, yet both are economic illiterates and their supporters are far worse in their fervor and blind obedience to the stupidity and whims of the average left.

Yes I agree the philosophy of Sanders and corbyn is highly compassionate but is not economically possible. If either got in power then debt would spiral and the economy stagnate.

I don't think they are too compassionate as well. They seem to want power and control more than the ending of poverty. If they truly were compassionate, they would realize the inadequacy in forcefully stripping people of their income and distributing it to others that did not earn it; they would also learn that poverty measures by government have largely failed. Compassion and being able to truly be compassionate rationally are characteristics that are not found in these two.

Fair enough. It's fair to say they have a mutual hate for the rich. I think they genuinely mean well to be honest but don't realize that their policies don't work. In some ways I think corbyn is too compassionate, e.g. wanting to let in large numbers of Syrian migrants. I also think he threatens the national security of our country as he plans to get rid of our nuclear submarines.

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If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.