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3/7/2016 8:43:10 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
All in title. If the UK leaves the EU, Spain has declared they will invade Gibraltar.

VOTE IN!!!!!
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3/7/2016 8:56:18 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 8:43:10 PM, smelisox wrote:
All in title. If the UK leaves the EU, Spain has declared they will invade Gibraltar.

VOTE IN!!!!!

I'd like to see the Spanish try. :)
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3/7/2016 8:58:19 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 8:43:10 PM, smelisox wrote:
All in title. If the UK leaves the EU, Spain has declared they will invade Gibraltar.

VOTE IN!!!!!

What a load of rubbish, They would never do that! Our military would destroy them in a war anyway.

Vote out!
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3/7/2016 9:00:37 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 8:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 8:43:10 PM, smelisox wrote:
All in title. If the UK leaves the EU, Spain has declared they will invade Gibraltar.

VOTE IN!!!!!

I'd like to see the Spanish try. :)

Agree. Our military would destroy them in a war. We could just threaten them with nuclear attack and they would be forced to surrender.
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3/7/2016 9:04:56 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 9:00:37 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/7/2016 8:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 8:43:10 PM, smelisox wrote:
All in title. If the UK leaves the EU, Spain has declared they will invade Gibraltar.

VOTE IN!!!!!

I'd like to see the Spanish try. :)

Agree. Our military would destroy them in a war. We could just threaten them with nuclear attack and they would be forced to surrender.

Now, what I've heard is just that Spain would "demand control" of Gibraltar. This doesn't necessarily equate to an invasion. I find it unlikely, frankly. But if it does happen, I'd really like to see Madrid get occupied by British troops.
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3/7/2016 9:11:03 PM
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I really have no opinion on whether Britain should or shouldn't leave the EU. It'd certainly be interesting if they did.
But in either case, if the Spaniard trash tried anything I'd like to see their final humiliation at British hands.
June 23 is the date of the referendum, so I imagine a British-Spanish showdown won't happen for about 3 and a half months.
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3/7/2016 9:22:47 PM
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3/7/2016 9:24:02 PM
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At 3/7/2016 9:11:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
I really have no opinion on whether Britain should or shouldn't leave the EU. It'd certainly be interesting if they did.
But in either case, if the Spaniard trash tried anything I'd like to see their final humiliation at British hands.
June 23 is the date of the referendum, so I imagine a British-Spanish showdown won't happen for about 3 and a half months.

This time, it's gonna be the British Armada.
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3/7/2016 10:26:11 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 9:04:56 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 9:00:37 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/7/2016 8:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 8:43:10 PM, smelisox wrote:
All in title. If the UK leaves the EU, Spain has declared they will invade Gibraltar.

VOTE IN!!!!!

I'd like to see the Spanish try. :)

Agree. Our military would destroy them in a war. We could just threaten them with nuclear attack and they would be forced to surrender.

Now, what I've heard is just that Spain would "demand control" of Gibraltar. This doesn't necessarily equate to an invasion. I find it unlikely, frankly. But if it does happen, I'd really like to see Madrid get occupied by British troops.

Yes they can demand control of Gibraltar but it's people want to be part of the uk so our government is not going to give up the territory. Similar to Argentina and the Falkland islands.

As there is no way we would give them the territory they have no chance of getting hold of it. I would say the chance of invasion are 0% but in the bizarre scenario it did invade we would not need to invade. We could just threaten to launch a nuclear attack by a certain time if they failed to pull out and they would be forced to comply.

If I'm honest I think it's a mixture of the Spanish looking for an opportunity to start a discussion on the subject of Gibraltar and the campaign to stay in using it to scare people to vote to stay in.
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3/7/2016 10:31:56 PM
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At 3/7/2016 8:43:10 PM, smelisox wrote:
All in title. If the UK leaves the EU, Spain has declared they will invade Gibraltar.

VOTE IN!!!!!

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3/7/2016 10:34:53 PM
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At 3/7/2016 8:43:10 PM, smelisox wrote:
All in title. If the UK leaves the EU, Spain has declared they will i. nvade Gibraltar.

VOTE IN!!!!!

Scaremongering by the stay in campaign. Don't listen to that rubbish. Spain would not dare mess with great Britain. We have no obligation to hand over a territory populated by British citizens. If they threaten to close the border we can impose economic sanctions on them and ban all Spanish migration. They only need to look at the Falkland islands as an example of what would happen if they tried anything militarily.
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3/8/2016 1:32:47 AM
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At 3/7/2016 11:15:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I hope they do. Leaving the EU is a disastrous decision.

Right or wrong, making the choice to exit a voluntary international association does not in any way warrant having your territorial sovereignty violated by another nation. England should not be expected to have to deal with Spain's s**t just for deciding to leave the EU and if Spain tries to conquer Gibraltar by force I hope that the UK decimates the Spanish military and destroys whatever vestige of Great Power status Spain still holds on to. Not only that but I hope that the USA, as the UK's NATO partner, comes to their assistance in fending off the Spanish.
...Unless that there's some other aspect of all this that I'm not aware of.
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3/8/2016 1:37:53 AM
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At 3/8/2016 1:32:47 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 11:15:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I hope they do. Leaving the EU is a disastrous decision.

Right or wrong, making the choice to exit a voluntary international association does not in any way warrant having your territorial sovereignty violated by another nation. England should not be expected to have to deal with Spain's s**t just for deciding to leave the EU and if Spain tries to conquer Gibraltar by force I hope that the UK decimates the Spanish military and destroys whatever vestige of Great Power status Spain still holds on to. Not only that but I hope that the USA, as the UK's NATO partner, comes to their assistance in fending off the Spanish.
...Unless that there's some other aspect of all this that I'm not aware of.

The US would be more likely to back Spain or stay neutral.
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3/8/2016 1:44:31 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/7/2016 8:43:10 PM, smelisox wrote:
All in title. If the UK leaves the EU, Spain has declared they will invade Gibraltar.

VOTE IN!!!!!

Good! Finally let those degenerates face defeat and the hands of white Britain

Maybe then we can invade mexico and start getting rid of Hispanics
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3/8/2016 2:04:54 AM
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At 3/8/2016 1:32:47 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 11:15:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I hope they do. Leaving the EU is a disastrous decision.

Right or wrong, making the choice to exit a voluntary international association does not in any way warrant having your territorial sovereignty violated by another nation. England should not be expected to have to deal with Spain's s**t just for deciding to leave the EU and if Spain tries to conquer Gibraltar by force I hope that the UK decimates the Spanish military and destroys whatever vestige of Great Power status Spain still holds on to. Not only that but I hope that the USA, as the UK's NATO partner, comes to their assistance in fending off the Spanish.
...Unless that there's some other aspect of all this that I'm not aware of.

The USA would likely stay neutral but the uk would easily win any kind of war against Spain. Like I said earlier if we threaten them with nukes they will be forced to back down. Spain are hypocrites anyway. They have two similar overseas territories in north Africa. I don't see them handing them over to Morocco any time soon.
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3/8/2016 2:13:38 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 1:37:53 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:32:47 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 11:15:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I hope they do. Leaving the EU is a disastrous decision.

Right or wrong, making the choice to exit a voluntary international association does not in any way warrant having your territorial sovereignty violated by another nation. England should not be expected to have to deal with Spain's s**t just for deciding to leave the EU and if Spain tries to conquer Gibraltar by force I hope that the UK decimates the Spanish military and destroys whatever vestige of Great Power status Spain still holds on to. Not only that but I hope that the USA, as the UK's NATO partner, comes to their assistance in fending off the Spanish.
...Unless that there's some other aspect of all this that I'm not aware of.

The US would be more likely to back Spain or stay neutral.

What makes you believe that?
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3/8/2016 2:16:03 AM
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At 3/8/2016 1:37:53 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:32:47 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 11:15:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I hope they do. Leaving the EU is a disastrous decision.

Right or wrong, making the choice to exit a voluntary international association does not in any way warrant having your territorial sovereignty violated by another nation. England should not be expected to have to deal with Spain's s**t just for deciding to leave the EU and if Spain tries to conquer Gibraltar by force I hope that the UK decimates the Spanish military and destroys whatever vestige of Great Power status Spain still holds on to. Not only that but I hope that the USA, as the UK's NATO partner, comes to their assistance in fending off the Spanish.
...Unless that there's some other aspect of all this that I'm not aware of.

The US would be more likely to back Spain or stay neutral.

Why would the U.S. back Spain?
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3/8/2016 2:36:19 AM
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At 3/7/2016 11:15:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I hope they do. Leaving the EU is a disastrous decision.
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3/8/2016 4:30:32 AM
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All aggressive emotions aside, it just seems really weird to think that such a thing could happen in the world's most civilized continent in the most civilized point in human history.
The Spanish actually have fairly recently violated Gibraltar's airspace and they've stated that the Gibraltar issue is "a rock in our shoes all day long". It seems like this could be the one thing that could cause a civilized nation like Spain to snap.
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3/8/2016 4:54:56 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 2:04:54 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:32:47 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 11:15:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I hope they do. Leaving the EU is a disastrous decision.

Right or wrong, making the choice to exit a voluntary international association does not in any way warrant having your territorial sovereignty violated by another nation. England should not be expected to have to deal with Spain's s**t just for deciding to leave the EU and if Spain tries to conquer Gibraltar by force I hope that the UK decimates the Spanish military and destroys whatever vestige of Great Power status Spain still holds on to. Not only that but I hope that the USA, as the UK's NATO partner, comes to their assistance in fending off the Spanish.
...Unless that there's some other aspect of all this that I'm not aware of.

The USA would likely stay neutral but the uk would easily win any kind of war against Spain. Like I said earlier if we threaten them with nukes they will be forced to back down. Spain are hypocrites anyway. They have two similar overseas territories in north Africa. I don't see them handing them over to Morocco any time soon.

The threatening of using nuclear devices? In this world? I don't think so. If that were to happen, the U.S would intervene in favor of Spain. No one like nukes, and if someone is saber-rattling and saying that they will use them, America has a habit of either 1) invading, or 2) sanctioning.

Beside, there would be no need to threaten with the use of WMDs anyway. The UK would destroy Spain: http://www.globalfirepower.com...
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3/8/2016 11:52:36 AM
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At 3/8/2016 2:04:54 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:32:47 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 11:15:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I hope they do. Leaving the EU is a disastrous decision.

Right or wrong, making the choice to exit a voluntary international association does not in any way warrant having your territorial sovereignty violated by another nation. England should not be expected to have to deal with Spain's s**t just for deciding to leave the EU and if Spain tries to conquer Gibraltar by force I hope that the UK decimates the Spanish military and destroys whatever vestige of Great Power status Spain still holds on to. Not only that but I hope that the USA, as the UK's NATO partner, comes to their assistance in fending off the Spanish.
...Unless that there's some other aspect of all this that I'm not aware of.

The USA would likely stay neutral but the uk would easily win any kind of war against Spain. Like I said earlier if we threaten them with nukes they will be forced to back down. Spain are hypocrites anyway. They have two similar overseas territories in north Africa. I don't see them handing them over to Morocco any time soon.

This is an empty threat, and Spain knows it.
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3/8/2016 11:55:41 AM
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At 3/8/2016 2:13:38 AM, Objectivity wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:37:53 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:32:47 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 11:15:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I hope they do. Leaving the EU is a disastrous decision.

Right or wrong, making the choice to exit a voluntary international association does not in any way warrant having your territorial sovereignty violated by another nation. England should not be expected to have to deal with Spain's s**t just for deciding to leave the EU and if Spain tries to conquer Gibraltar by force I hope that the UK decimates the Spanish military and destroys whatever vestige of Great Power status Spain still holds on to. Not only that but I hope that the USA, as the UK's NATO partner, comes to their assistance in fending off the Spanish.
...Unless that there's some other aspect of all this that I'm not aware of.

The US would be more likely to back Spain or stay neutral.

What makes you believe that?

They didn't stop Russia from taking Crimea. Spain has a similar claim to Gibraltar. Heck, they only lost it in a war. And since both countries are strong US allies - with the U.K. having just displeased the US by making a disastrous political move - the US has little incentive to favor England.
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3/8/2016 2:17:51 PM
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I don't exactly see how this provides a legitimate reason for the U.K to stay within the E.U--the chances of Spain ever successfully taking over Gibraltar are extremely slim.
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3/8/2016 2:23:53 PM
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At 3/7/2016 10:26:11 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/7/2016 9:04:56 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 9:00:37 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/7/2016 8:56:18 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 8:43:10 PM, smelisox wrote:
All in title. If the UK leaves the EU, Spain has declared they will invade Gibraltar.

VOTE IN!!!!!

I'd like to see the Spanish try. :)

Agree. Our military would destroy them in a war. We could just threaten them with nuclear attack and they would be forced to surrender.

Now, what I've heard is just that Spain would "demand control" of Gibraltar. This doesn't necessarily equate to an invasion. I find it unlikely, frankly. But if it does happen, I'd really like to see Madrid get occupied by British troops.

Yes they can demand control of Gibraltar but it's people want to be part of the uk so our government is not going to give up the territory. Similar to Argentina and the Falkland islands.

As there is no way we would give them the territory they have no chance of getting hold of it. I would say the chance of invasion are 0% but in the bizarre scenario it did invade we would not need to invade. We could just threaten to launch a nuclear attack by a certain time if they failed to pull out and they would be forced to comply.

If I'm honest I think it's a mixture of the Spanish looking for an opportunity to start a discussion on the subject of Gibraltar and the campaign to stay in using it to scare people to vote to stay in.

Indeed. Spain has actually long been wanting to assume control over Gibraltar--it's doubtful that they would actually invade but they'll attempt to use this opportunity (U.K potentially leaving the E.U) to make a case for it being under Spanish territory.
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3/8/2016 4:51:14 PM
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At 3/8/2016 2:17:51 PM, Emilrose wrote:
I don't exactly see how this provides a legitimate reason for the U.K to stay within the E.U--the chances of Spain ever successfully taking over Gibraltar are extremely slim.

Agree. Another country threatening to take control of our territory if we leave cannot in any conceivable way be used as a reason to stay in the eu. Especially when they have no realistic chance of taking control of Gibraltar.

Scaremongering by the stay in campaign and opportunism by Spain.

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3/8/2016 5:11:55 PM
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At 3/8/2016 11:55:41 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/8/2016 2:13:38 AM, Objectivity wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:37:53 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:32:47 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 11:15:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I hope they do. Leaving the EU is a disastrous decision.

Right or wrong, making the choice to exit a voluntary international association does not in any way warrant having your territorial sovereignty violated by another nation. England should not be expected to have to deal with Spain's s**t just for deciding to leave the EU and if Spain tries to conquer Gibraltar by force I hope that the UK decimates the Spanish military and destroys whatever vestige of Great Power status Spain still holds on to. Not only that but I hope that the USA, as the UK's NATO partner, comes to their assistance in fending off the Spanish.
...Unless that there's some other aspect of all this that I'm not aware of.

The US would be more likely to back Spain or stay neutral.

What makes you believe that?

They didn't stop Russia from taking Crimea. Spain has a similar claim to Gibraltar. Heck, they only lost it in a war. And since both countries are strong US allies - with the U.K. having just displeased the US by making a disastrous political move - the US has little incentive to favor England.

1) Britain is a far more important ally than Ukraine, and arguably more important than Spain, once you factor in our history, US citizens would be far more inclined to help Britain than spain

2) Displeased the US how exactly?
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3/8/2016 5:18:59 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 11:52:36 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/8/2016 2:04:54 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:32:47 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 11:15:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I hope they do. Leaving the EU is a disastrous decision.

Right or wrong, making the choice to exit a voluntary international association does not in any way warrant having your territorial sovereignty violated by another nation. England should not be expected to have to deal with Spain's s**t just for deciding to leave the EU and if Spain tries to conquer Gibraltar by force I hope that the UK decimates the Spanish military and destroys whatever vestige of Great Power status Spain still holds on to. Not only that but I hope that the USA, as the UK's NATO partner, comes to their assistance in fending off the Spanish.
...Unless that there's some other aspect of all this that I'm not aware of.

The USA would likely stay neutral but the uk would easily win any kind of war against Spain. Like I said earlier if we threaten them with nukes they will be forced to back down. Spain are hypocrites anyway. They have two similar overseas territories in north Africa. I don't see them handing them over to Morocco any time soon.

This is an empty threat, and the UK knows it.

Fixed.
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3/8/2016 7:49:46 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 11:55:41 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/8/2016 2:13:38 AM, Objectivity wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:37:53 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:32:47 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/7/2016 11:15:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
I hope they do. Leaving the EU is a disastrous decision.

Right or wrong, making the choice to exit a voluntary international association does not in any way warrant having your territorial sovereignty violated by another nation. England should not be expected to have to deal with Spain's s**t just for deciding to leave the EU and if Spain tries to conquer Gibraltar by force I hope that the UK decimates the Spanish military and destroys whatever vestige of Great Power status Spain still holds on to. Not only that but I hope that the USA, as the UK's NATO partner, comes to their assistance in fending off the Spanish.
...Unless that there's some other aspect of all this that I'm not aware of.

The US would be more likely to back Spain or stay neutral.

What makes you believe that?

They didn't stop Russia from taking Crimea. Spain has a similar claim to Gibraltar. Heck, they only lost it in a war. And since both countries are strong US allies - with the U.K. having just displeased the US by making a disastrous political move - the US has little incentive to favor England.

I dont think that if England left the EU it would displease the US since the US has no interest at stake in the EU..... If the UK left NATO, then that would be a whole different ballgame since Nato is the military coordination between western European countries that the US implemented and is in charge of, but if the UK left the EU I imagine the US wouldn't give much of a sh**.

Spain also hasn't been a key ally for the US in recent history compared to the UK, which was one of the only countries that had the US's back for the invasion of Iraq in 2003. That and the language similarity between the US and the UK would likely push the US to side with the UK over Spain from what I can tell. Spain hasnt had an impact in the world since they settled the Americas
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