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3/19/2016 8:14:00 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 8:02:41 PM, YYW wrote:


Never thought I would see the day where YYW was referencing Dennis Prager.
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3/19/2016 8:26:36 PM
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At 3/19/2016 8:14:00 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:02:41 PM, YYW wrote:


Never thought I would see the day where YYW was referencing Dennis Prager.

What real liberals (not progressives) have in common with conservatives is that we don't question certain values that are at the core of American identity.

We care about free speech, equality before the law, etc. Those basic ideas are not up for debate; they ground who we are, as a people. Obama and Pelosi would agree with McCain and Ryan in both respects.

Obama actually said something very similar to this at a high school, recently.

What's sad is how far off base the Left has drifted.
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3/19/2016 9:08:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 8:26:36 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:14:00 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:02:41 PM, YYW wrote:


Never thought I would see the day where YYW was referencing Dennis Prager.

What real liberals (not progressives) have in common with conservatives is that we don't question certain values that are at the core of American identity.

We care about free speech, equality before the law, etc. Those basic ideas are not up for debate; they ground who we are, as a people. Obama and Pelosi would agree with McCain and Ryan in both respects.

Oh, I absolutely agree. Both conservatism and modern liberalism evolved from American classical liberalism. We have a similar base, if not nearly identical solutions.

Obama actually said something very similar to this at a high school, recently.

What's sad is how far off base the Left has drifted.

I think you noted it above: progressivism is the wild card here. Progressivism rejects conservatism and liberalism - in essence, classical liberalism in all forms - in favor of a broad-based populism outside the realms of tradition or law. A true progressive and a true liberal will differ drastically on things like free speech, rule of law, what 'equality' means, the extent of government control of economy, the purpose of government, rights, etc.
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3/19/2016 10:22:20 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 8:44:55 PM, Death23 wrote:
Many reputable dictionaries indicate that the word redskins is offensive.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...
https://www.ahdictionary.com...
http://www.collinsdictionary.com...
http://www.macmillandictionary.com...
http://www.merriam-webster.com...

I think it's a good reason to change the name of a team.

Yes. Because, unlike everybody else, Native Americans are incapable of emotionally coping with things they don't like.
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3/19/2016 10:36:37 PM
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3/20/2016 12:29:44 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:22:20 PM, Romaniii wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:44:55 PM, Death23 wrote:
Many reputable dictionaries indicate that the word redskins is offensive.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...
https://www.ahdictionary.com...
http://www.collinsdictionary.com...
http://www.macmillandictionary.com...
http://www.merriam-webster.com...

I think it's a good reason to change the name of a team.

Yes. Because, unlike everybody else, Native Americans are incapable of emotionally coping with things they don't like.

I don't know why everything has to be taken to extremes. I doubt any Native American is emotionally marred by the term, but if it's offensive why wouldn't you refrain from using it? ... you lose nothing, and they gain something. This shouldn't warrant mass "anti-red skin" protests, but it also shouldn't warrant off-hand dismissals.

It's literally no different than refraining from calling your friend a nickname he's not fond of ... why does courtesy and common sense have to go out the window on political matters?
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3/20/2016 12:34:07 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 12:29:44 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:22:20 PM, Romaniii wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:44:55 PM, Death23 wrote:
Many reputable dictionaries indicate that the word redskins is offensive.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...
https://www.ahdictionary.com...
http://www.collinsdictionary.com...
http://www.macmillandictionary.com...
http://www.merriam-webster.com...

I think it's a good reason to change the name of a team.

Yes. Because, unlike everybody else, Native Americans are incapable of emotionally coping with things they don't like.

I don't know why everything has to be taken to extremes. I doubt any Native American is emotionally marred by the term, but if it's offensive why wouldn't you refrain from using it? ... you lose nothing, and they gain something. This shouldn't warrant mass "anti-red skin" protests, but it also shouldn't warrant off-hand dismissals.

It's literally no different than refraining from calling your friend a nickname he's not fond of ... why does courtesy and common sense have to go out the window on political matters?

I have literally never met a native american that espouses progressive liberal values, like you're suggesting here. In fact, I think if you polled the majority of them, they'd say leave the name as it is.

How presumptuous it is for progressives to be outraged for them, when they couldn't care less.
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3/20/2016 12:46:02 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 12:34:07 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:29:44 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:22:20 PM, Romaniii wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:44:55 PM, Death23 wrote:
Many reputable dictionaries indicate that the word redskins is offensive.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...
https://www.ahdictionary.com...
http://www.collinsdictionary.com...
http://www.macmillandictionary.com...
http://www.merriam-webster.com...

I think it's a good reason to change the name of a team.

Yes. Because, unlike everybody else, Native Americans are incapable of emotionally coping with things they don't like.

I don't know why everything has to be taken to extremes. I doubt any Native American is emotionally marred by the term, but if it's offensive why wouldn't you refrain from using it? ... you lose nothing, and they gain something. This shouldn't warrant mass "anti-red skin" protests, but it also shouldn't warrant off-hand dismissals.

It's literally no different than refraining from calling your friend a nickname he's not fond of ... why does courtesy and common sense have to go out the window on political matters?

I have literally never met a native american that espouses progressive liberal values, like you're suggesting here.

Maybe you should meet some more then. I have.

In fact, I think if you polled the majority of them, they'd say leave the name as it is.

How presumptuous it is for progressives to be outraged for them, when they couldn't care less.

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com...
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
http://www.si.com...

Btw, is Tom Cole a "progressive"?
http://newsok.com...
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3/20/2016 12:49:23 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 12:46:02 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:34:07 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:29:44 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:22:20 PM, Romaniii wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:44:55 PM, Death23 wrote:
Many reputable dictionaries indicate that the word redskins is offensive.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...
https://www.ahdictionary.com...
http://www.collinsdictionary.com...
http://www.macmillandictionary.com...
http://www.merriam-webster.com...

I think it's a good reason to change the name of a team.

Yes. Because, unlike everybody else, Native Americans are incapable of emotionally coping with things they don't like.

I don't know why everything has to be taken to extremes. I doubt any Native American is emotionally marred by the term, but if it's offensive why wouldn't you refrain from using it? ... you lose nothing, and they gain something. This shouldn't warrant mass "anti-red skin" protests, but it also shouldn't warrant off-hand dismissals.

It's literally no different than refraining from calling your friend a nickname he's not fond of ... why does courtesy and common sense have to go out the window on political matters?

I have literally never met a native american that espouses progressive liberal values, like you're suggesting here.

Maybe you should meet some more then. I have.

So maybe you have some evidence that as a rule native americans are outraged by the Washington Redskins?

In fact, I think if you polled the majority of them, they'd say leave the name as it is.

How presumptuous it is for progressives to be outraged for them, when they couldn't care less.

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com...
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
http://www.si.com...

Btw, is Tom Cole a "progressive"?
http://newsok.com...

Sounds like he's just riding the political tide to me...
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3/20/2016 12:57:10 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 12:49:23 AM, YYW wrote:


So maybe you have some evidence that as a rule native americans are outraged by the Washington Redskins?

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com...

^

Btw, is Tom Cole a "progressive"?
http://newsok.com...

Sounds like he's just riding the political tide to me...

What political tide? Seems a lot of people (including many NFL higher ups) are highly resistant to changing the name for some unknown reason.
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3/20/2016 12:59:53 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 12:57:10 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:49:23 AM, YYW wrote:


So maybe you have some evidence that as a rule native americans are outraged by the Washington Redskins?

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com...

^

So the studies conflict... and "racist" doesn't mean "offensive." And what I asked was whether you had evidence that they were "outraged." You haven't given me that.

Btw, is Tom Cole a "progressive"?
http://newsok.com...

Sounds like he's just riding the political tide to me...

What political tide? Seems a lot of people (including many NFL higher ups) are highly resistant to changing the name for some unknown reason.

The progressive political tide.
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3/20/2016 2:04:03 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 12:29:44 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:22:20 PM, Romaniii wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:44:55 PM, Death23 wrote:
Many reputable dictionaries indicate that the word redskins is offensive.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...
https://www.ahdictionary.com...
http://www.collinsdictionary.com...
http://www.macmillandictionary.com...
http://www.merriam-webster.com...

I think it's a good reason to change the name of a team.

Yes. Because, unlike everybody else, Native Americans are incapable of emotionally coping with things they don't like.

I don't know why everything has to be taken to extremes. I doubt any Native American is emotionally marred by the term, but if it's offensive why wouldn't you refrain from using it? ... you lose nothing, and they gain something. This shouldn't warrant mass "anti-red skin" protests, but it also shouldn't warrant off-hand dismissals.

It's literally no different than refraining from calling your friend a nickname he's not fond of ... why does courtesy and common sense have to go out the window on political matters?

If you're sufficiently attached to the nickname, then you might be justified in continuing to use it. I don't think the Washington Redskins and their fans "lose nothing" by changing the team's name. This would be a total non-issue if that were the case.
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3/20/2016 2:05:21 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 2:04:03 AM, Romaniii wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:29:44 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:22:20 PM, Romaniii wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:44:55 PM, Death23 wrote:
Many reputable dictionaries indicate that the word redskins is offensive.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...
https://www.ahdictionary.com...
http://www.collinsdictionary.com...
http://www.macmillandictionary.com...
http://www.merriam-webster.com...

I think it's a good reason to change the name of a team.

Yes. Because, unlike everybody else, Native Americans are incapable of emotionally coping with things they don't like.

I don't know why everything has to be taken to extremes. I doubt any Native American is emotionally marred by the term, but if it's offensive why wouldn't you refrain from using it? ... you lose nothing, and they gain something. This shouldn't warrant mass "anti-red skin" protests, but it also shouldn't warrant off-hand dismissals.

It's literally no different than refraining from calling your friend a nickname he's not fond of ... why does courtesy and common sense have to go out the window on political matters?

If you're sufficiently attached to the nickname, then you might be justified in continuing to use it. I don't think the Washington Redskins and their fans "lose nothing" by changing the team's name. This would be a total non-issue if that were the case.

What's ironic is that the person saying "this is nbd" is the one whose advocating for the change.

If it's nbd, leave it alone.
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3/20/2016 2:21:40 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 12:59:53 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:57:10 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:49:23 AM, YYW wrote:


So maybe you have some evidence that as a rule native americans are outraged by the Washington Redskins?

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com...

^

So the studies conflict... and "racist" doesn't mean "offensive." And what I asked was whether you had evidence that they were "outraged." You haven't given me that.


Honestly, you're really stretching here.

"Survey on Redskins team name found most American Indians believe it to be offensive and racist.

The Center for Indigenous Peoples Studies at California State University, San Bernardino has conducted a study on racial and ethnic perspectives on the team name Redskins and associated issues, and found that the large majority of American Indians, when properly identified and polled, find the team name offensive, disrespectful and racist. "

http://cips.csusb.edu...

Btw, is Tom Cole a "progressive"?
http://newsok.com...

Sounds like he's just riding the political tide to me...

What political tide? Seems a lot of people (including many NFL higher ups) are highly resistant to changing the name for some unknown reason.

The progressive political tide.

Yes, the republican who's offended is capitulating to the progressive political tide. I suppose that's one way to discount his opinion.
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3/20/2016 2:37:35 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 2:04:03 AM, Romaniii wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:29:44 AM, 000ike wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:22:20 PM, Romaniii wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:44:55 PM, Death23 wrote:
Many reputable dictionaries indicate that the word redskins is offensive.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...
https://www.ahdictionary.com...
http://www.collinsdictionary.com...
http://www.macmillandictionary.com...
http://www.merriam-webster.com...

I think it's a good reason to change the name of a team.

Yes. Because, unlike everybody else, Native Americans are incapable of emotionally coping with things they don't like.

I don't know why everything has to be taken to extremes. I doubt any Native American is emotionally marred by the term, but if it's offensive why wouldn't you refrain from using it? ... you lose nothing, and they gain something. This shouldn't warrant mass "anti-red skin" protests, but it also shouldn't warrant off-hand dismissals.

It's literally no different than refraining from calling your friend a nickname he's not fond of ... why does courtesy and common sense have to go out the window on political matters?

If you're sufficiently attached to the nickname, then you might be justified in continuing to use it. I don't think the Washington Redskins and their fans "lose nothing" by changing the team's name. This would be a total non-issue if that were the case.

It requires a spirit of give and take. If the term simply isn't offensive enough to Native Americans to warrant rebranding, then so be it. But let's start by not dismissing the concern as irrational SJW whining ( i.e. giving it due consideration) ... let's start by listening to what complainants actually have to say so we can have an accurate appraisal of the degree to which the term and logo are insulting.
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3/20/2016 5:38:16 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 8:02:41 PM, YYW wrote:


Allow me to explain political correctness. Its a lot like UFOs and Aliens: It doesn't exist, but some people still think it does and blame all of the worlds ills on it.
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3/20/2016 12:43:51 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 5:38:16 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:02:41 PM, YYW wrote:


Allow me to explain political correctness. Its a lot like UFOs and Aliens: It doesn't exist, but some people still think it does and blame all of the worlds ills on it.

Nope. It's practiced by the regressive left, who are traitors to their own ideology.
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3/21/2016 1:26:13 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 12:43:51 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/20/2016 5:38:16 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:02:41 PM, YYW wrote:


Allow me to explain political correctness. Its a lot like UFOs and Aliens: It doesn't exist, but some people still think it does and blame all of the worlds ills on it.

Nope. It's practiced by the regressive left, who are traitors to their own ideology.

That makes literally no sense Just go read my debate on this topic.
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3/21/2016 1:31:14 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 1:26:13 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:43:51 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/20/2016 5:38:16 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:02:41 PM, YYW wrote:


Allow me to explain political correctness. Its a lot like UFOs and Aliens: It doesn't exist, but some people still think it does and blame all of the worlds ills on it.

Nope. It's practiced by the regressive left, who are traitors to their own ideology.

That makes literally no sense Just go read my debate on this topic.

1: How? explain
2: Which debate
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3/21/2016 2:01:17 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 1:26:13 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:43:51 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/20/2016 5:38:16 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:02:41 PM, YYW wrote:


Allow me to explain political correctness. Its a lot like UFOs and Aliens: It doesn't exist, but some people still think it does and blame all of the worlds ills on it.

Nope. It's practiced by the regressive left, who are traitors to their own ideology.

That makes literally no sense Just go read my debate on this topic.

I Just read your debate, and you pretty much missed the whole point, by using a cherry-picked example.

If I say that black people cause more crime, and I'm labeled a racist by the Left, then that's being politically correct, because you are avoiding the actual statistic, just because it could potentially "offend" black people. That's the issue with Leftists we are dealing with.

It's not politically correct to oppose people who say offensive words. There's a reason why they are offensive. But using that as a reason to discredit others is stupid, and is what progressives today do.

I actually would like to add Political correctness is practiced by the Right Wing also. When people opposed the Iraq War, Idiots like Ann Coulter accused people of being Anti-American or were committing treason.
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3/21/2016 2:46:57 AM
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This is how I see it. I will not call it liberal, progressive or label it as anything other than ignorant people getting up and arms in an effort to become precious snowflakes. Being a snowflake is all the rage. I, me, my group has to draw attention to get our voice heard, even if it"s stupid. When I comes to the title of things, context in the time they were named needs to be considered. It is a reflection of that particular era. This time capsule of public demeanor is part of history. It should not be erased. It is something to learn and to draw understanding from. In my neighboring state of RI, 2 years ago, an atheist 17 year old took the state to court on hurt feeling over a painted saying on a wall in her school that stated the word God. It had been in the school since the 50"s. In the post war era during McCarthyism these types sayings along with images were common place. Instead of learning the why and appreciating the reference in the context of history, offence was taken. This is ridiculous. The child won the case. I seriously have a problem with this kind of mentality. The same goes with the Kim Davis types. When growing up as a child in the 60"s & 70"s we encountered many people who were not of the same mind set as my parents, but we were polite and ignored what we found distasteful, but respected their right to say what they wished. There was a priority in being polite and having social manners. We practiced our religion in a manner of being an example to follow if one chose, but did not force ourselves on others or object to others of different faith or those of no faith at all. Are there extreme examples that are objectionable, such as the N word, yes. We all know people who use this word as a means to draw attention to themselves who are basically idiots and simply should be ignored. We are breeding a generation of snowflakes. Those who have any kind of sense should not give them the time of day. They will fade away when they do not get the desired attention. Media eats this stuff up and perpetuates it. Some young people have lost the sense that living by example speaks greater volumes than spewing ridiculous sh*t over feelings. This micro aggression stuff is for spineless whimps who have yet to grow a pair. They need to grow up and face the real world as it is, a place where everyone has an opinion and some opinions you might not like; move on. I"m not in favor of moving back in time on a great many issues, but old fashioned social politeness and decorum is one I"d be willing to take back.

In a response to tajkar, you do have a point, though I"m not making commenting on a specific debate. Statistically speaking when if 13% of the total population commits 50% of all crime, there are assumptions that can be made. What the problem is, when making such statistical comments a full disclaimer needs to be made, i.e. poverty, education and employment rates have to be included so not to "appear" racist. Certainly these factors are contributory, in a great many ways blacks have the short end of the stick; but that"s not the point. A person cannot make a simple statistical point without augmenting the argument with disclaimers due to the fear of appearing racist; numbers are now offensive.
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3/21/2016 3:31:08 PM
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At 3/21/2016 2:46:57 AM, Peepette wrote:

In a response to tajkar, you do have a point, though I"m not making commenting on a specific debate. Statistically speaking when if 13% of the total population commits 50% of all crime, there are assumptions that can be made. What the problem is, when making such statistical comments a full disclaimer needs to be made, i.e. poverty, education and employment rates have to be included so not to "appear" racist. Certainly these factors are contributory, in a great many ways blacks have the short end of the stick; but that"s not the point. A person cannot make a simple statistical point without augmenting the argument with disclaimers due to the fear of appearing racist; numbers are now offensive.

People who are making the statement do not have to mention about the poverty. It's just a simple things. Blacks in America cause for crime. It's up to the other side to actually understand why. When i say that, I don't mean, they cause crime just because they are black. That's racist and irrational.
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3/21/2016 3:38:39 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 2:01:17 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/21/2016 1:26:13 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:43:51 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/20/2016 5:38:16 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:02:41 PM, YYW wrote:


Allow me to explain political correctness. Its a lot like UFOs and Aliens: It doesn't exist, but some people still think it does and blame all of the worlds ills on it.

Nope. It's practiced by the regressive left, who are traitors to their own ideology.

That makes literally no sense Just go read my debate on this topic.

I Just read your debate, and you pretty much missed the whole point, by using a cherry-picked example.

If I say that black people cause more crime, and I'm labeled a racist by the Left, then that's being politically correct, because you are avoiding the actual statistic, just because it could potentially "offend" black people. That's the issue with Leftists we are dealing with.

It's not politically correct to oppose people who say offensive words. There's a reason why they are offensive. But using that as a reason to discredit others is stupid, and is what progressives today do.

I actually would like to add Political correctness is practiced by the Right Wing also. When people opposed the Iraq War, Idiots like Ann Coulter accused people of being Anti-American or were committing treason.

I wouldn't call what Coulter said political correctness. It was stupid but its own brand of stupidity. You could call it jingoism or coin a new term like "patriotically correct".

As far as the regressive left goes ya they tend to hate facts that don't fit their narrative and jump to label people that don't agree with them as racist, misogynistic, etc..
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3/21/2016 4:01:05 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 2:21:40 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:59:53 AM, YYW wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:57:10 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 3/20/2016 12:49:23 AM, YYW wrote:


So maybe you have some evidence that as a rule native americans are outraged by the Washington Redskins?

http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com...

^

So the studies conflict... and "racist" doesn't mean "offensive." And what I asked was whether you had evidence that they were "outraged." You haven't given me that.



Honestly, you're really stretching here.

"Survey on Redskins team name found most American Indians believe it to be offensive and racist.

The Center for Indigenous Peoples Studies at California State University, San Bernardino has conducted a study on racial and ethnic perspectives on the team name Redskins and associated issues, and found that the large majority of American Indians, when properly identified and polled, find the team name offensive, disrespectful and racist. "

Do you really find that to be an objective source?

There are Native American schools that call their teams Redskins. The term is used affectionately by some natives, similar to the way the N-word is used by some African-Americans. In the only recent poll to ask native people about the subject, 90 percent of respondents did not consider the term offensive

http://washington.cbslocal.com...

Here are some interesting perspectives from average native american people, all telling you to stop taking offense on their behalf (I doubt you'll listen anyway but oh well)

"We just don"t think that (name) is an issue," Yazzie said. "There are more important things like busing our kids to school, the water settlement, the land quality, the air that surrounds us. Those are issues we can take sides on."

"Society, they think it"s more derogatory because of the recent discussions," Yazzie said. "In its pure form, a lot of Native American men, you go into the sweat lodge with what you"ve got " your skin. I don"t see it as derogatory."

Neither does Eunice Davidson, a Dakota Sioux who lives on the Spirit Lake reservation in North Dakota. "It more or less shows that they approve of our history," she said.

North Dakota was the scene of a similar controversy over the state university"s Fighting Sioux nickname. It was decisively scrapped in a 2012 statewide vote " after the Spirit Lake reservation voted in 2010 to keep it.

Davidson said that if she could speak to Dan Snyder, the Washington team owner who has vowed never to change the name, "I would say I stand with him . we don"t want our history to be forgotten."

In 2004, the National Annenberg Election Survey asked 768 people who identified themselves as Indian whether they found the name "Washington Redskins" offensive. Almost 90 percent said it did not bother them.


http://cips.csusb.edu...

Btw, is Tom Cole a "progressive"?
http://newsok.com...

Sounds like he's just riding the political tide to me...

What political tide? Seems a lot of people (including many NFL higher ups) are highly resistant to changing the name for some unknown reason.

The progressive political tide.

Yes, the republican who's offended is capitulating to the progressive political tide. I suppose that's one way to discount his opinion.
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3/21/2016 4:44:45 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 8:26:36 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:14:00 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:02:41 PM, YYW wrote:


Never thought I would see the day where YYW was referencing Dennis Prager.

What real liberals (not progressives) have in common with conservatives is that we don't question certain values that are at the core of American identity.

We care about free speech, equality before the law, etc. Those basic ideas are not up for debate; they ground who we are, as a people. Obama and Pelosi would agree with McCain and Ryan in both respects.

Obama actually said something very similar to this at a high school, recently.

What's sad is how far off base the Left has drifted.

I think I made a thread on this video.

http://www.debate.org...
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3/21/2016 5:02:56 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 8:26:36 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:14:00 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:02:41 PM, YYW wrote:


Never thought I would see the day where YYW was referencing Dennis Prager.

What real liberals (not progressives) have in common with conservatives is that we don't question certain values that are at the core of American identity.

We care about free speech, equality before the law, etc. Those basic ideas are not up for debate; they ground who we are, as a people. Obama and Pelosi would agree with McCain and Ryan in both respects.

Obama actually said something very similar to this at a high school, recently.

What's sad is how far off base the Left has drifted.

It is funny you keep complaining about the far Left, when the Right seems to be in a state of major disarray.