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YYW
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3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.
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3/19/2016 9:09:52 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM, YYW wrote:


The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.

Hugo Black is probably rolling in his grave right now.
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3/19/2016 9:45:00 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 9:09:52 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM, YYW wrote:


The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.

Hugo Black is probably rolling in his grave right now.

I guess I'm a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative, or an anarchistic conservative liberal.

#mindispsinning
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3/19/2016 9:58:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 9:45:00 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:09:52 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM, YYW wrote:


The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.

Hugo Black is probably rolling in his grave right now.

I guess I'm a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative, or an anarchistic conservative liberal.

#mindispsinning

No you're still liberal. Just against banning hate speech, that one subject doesn't make you conservative lol. I don't even think most liberals support banning hate speech
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3/19/2016 9:59:32 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 9:58:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:45:00 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:09:52 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM, YYW wrote:


The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.

Hugo Black is probably rolling in his grave right now.

I guess I'm a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative, or an anarchistic conservative liberal.

#mindispsinning

No you're still liberal. Just against banning hate speech, that one subject doesn't make you conservative lol. I don't even think most liberals support banning hate speech

Many do. Many my age do.

It scares me.
Hayd
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3/19/2016 10:00:45 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 9:59:32 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:58:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:45:00 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:09:52 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM, YYW wrote:


The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.

Hugo Black is probably rolling in his grave right now.

I guess I'm a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative, or an anarchistic conservative liberal.

#mindispsinning

No you're still liberal. Just against banning hate speech, that one subject doesn't make you conservative lol. I don't even think most liberals support banning hate speech

Many do. Many my age do.

It scares me.

Yeah, that ain't good. But that one issue doesn't make you conservative
YYW
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3/19/2016 10:02:43 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:00:45 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:59:32 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:58:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:45:00 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:09:52 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM, YYW wrote:


The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.

Hugo Black is probably rolling in his grave right now.

I guess I'm a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative, or an anarchistic conservative liberal.

#mindispsinning

No you're still liberal. Just against banning hate speech, that one subject doesn't make you conservative lol. I don't even think most liberals support banning hate speech

Many do. Many my age do.

It scares me.

Yeah, that ain't good. But that one issue doesn't make you conservative

Conservative, in relation at least to where liberalism is going.
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3/19/2016 10:03:48 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:02:43 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:00:45 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:59:32 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:58:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:45:00 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:09:52 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM, YYW wrote:


The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.

Hugo Black is probably rolling in his grave right now.

I guess I'm a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative, or an anarchistic conservative liberal.

#mindispsinning

No you're still liberal. Just against banning hate speech, that one subject doesn't make you conservative lol. I don't even think most liberals support banning hate speech

Many do. Many my age do.

It scares me.

Yeah, that ain't good. But that one issue doesn't make you conservative

Conservative, in relation at least to where liberalism is going.

Well, I suppose you could say I am conservative on the topic of hate speech. But that is one social subject out of a hundred more, which you are liberal in all. So if someone asks you what you are socially, you say liberal still.
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3/19/2016 10:06:31 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:03:48 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:02:43 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:00:45 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:59:32 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:58:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:45:00 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:09:52 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM, YYW wrote:


The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.

Hugo Black is probably rolling in his grave right now.

I guess I'm a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative, or an anarchistic conservative liberal.

#mindispsinning

No you're still liberal. Just against banning hate speech, that one subject doesn't make you conservative lol. I don't even think most liberals support banning hate speech

Many do. Many my age do.

It scares me.

Yeah, that ain't good. But that one issue doesn't make you conservative

Conservative, in relation at least to where liberalism is going.

Well, I suppose you could say I am conservative on the topic of hate speech. But that is one social subject out of a hundred more, which you are liberal in all. So if someone asks you what you are socially, you say liberal still.

Well, yes... socially and politically I am still very far to the left, with a strong opposition to use of state power to do anything other than ensure that the most vulnerable in society are kept from disease, homelessness, death, and starvation.

I'm more of an anarchist than anything else; a left leaning labor-minded anarchist.
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3/19/2016 10:08:46 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
But even though I'm a labor oriented anarchist (or some other weird label idk) I'm also firmly committed to the values that the United States was founded upon; which characterize our democracy for what it is, and define its character.

Liberty, freedom of speech and thought, economic mobility and security, etc.

I'd add fraternity; an understanding that we're all in this together.
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3/19/2016 10:22:00 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 9:59:32 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:58:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:45:00 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:09:52 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM, YYW wrote:


The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.

Hugo Black is probably rolling in his grave right now.

I guess I'm a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative, or an anarchistic conservative liberal.

#mindispsinning

No you're still liberal. Just against banning hate speech, that one subject doesn't make you conservative lol. I don't even think most liberals support banning hate speech

Many do. Many my age do.

It scares me.

I'm probably the left-most person currently on this site, but I view the removal of free speech as something that would be antithetical to a socially liberal view.
"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here,
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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YYW
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3/19/2016 10:27:17 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:22:00 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:59:32 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:58:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:45:00 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:09:52 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM, YYW wrote:


The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.

Hugo Black is probably rolling in his grave right now.

I guess I'm a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative, or an anarchistic conservative liberal.

#mindispsinning

No you're still liberal. Just against banning hate speech, that one subject doesn't make you conservative lol. I don't even think most liberals support banning hate speech

Many do. Many my age do.

It scares me.

I'm probably the left-most person currently on this site, but I view the removal of free speech as something that would be antithetical to a socially liberal view.

Yeah, it's why you're not really a progressive.
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3/19/2016 10:30:35 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:27:17 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:22:00 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:59:32 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:58:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:45:00 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:09:52 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM, YYW wrote:


The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.

Hugo Black is probably rolling in his grave right now.

I guess I'm a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative, or an anarchistic conservative liberal.

#mindispsinning

No you're still liberal. Just against banning hate speech, that one subject doesn't make you conservative lol. I don't even think most liberals support banning hate speech

Many do. Many my age do.

It scares me.

I'm probably the left-most person currently on this site, but I view the removal of free speech as something that would be antithetical to a socially liberal view.

Yeah, it's why you're not really a progressive.

I think the label "progressive" is a broad term that you're allowing to be bastardized. Progressives shouldn't want bread and circus, they should want freedom. "Progressive" should imply a liberalization.
"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here,
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

-Syd Barrett

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3/19/2016 10:32:37 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:30:35 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:27:17 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:22:00 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:59:32 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:58:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:45:00 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:09:52 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM, YYW wrote:


The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.

Hugo Black is probably rolling in his grave right now.

I guess I'm a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative, or an anarchistic conservative liberal.

#mindispsinning

No you're still liberal. Just against banning hate speech, that one subject doesn't make you conservative lol. I don't even think most liberals support banning hate speech

Many do. Many my age do.

It scares me.

I'm probably the left-most person currently on this site, but I view the removal of free speech as something that would be antithetical to a socially liberal view.

Yeah, it's why you're not really a progressive.

I think the label "progressive" is a broad term that you're allowing to be bastardized. Progressives shouldn't want bread and circus, they should want freedom. "Progressive" should imply a liberalization.

Free speech is part of freedom.
"In Guns We Trust" Tajshar2k
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3/19/2016 10:34:27 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:32:37 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:30:35 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:27:17 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:22:00 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:59:32 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:58:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:45:00 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:09:52 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM, YYW wrote:


The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.

Hugo Black is probably rolling in his grave right now.

I guess I'm a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative, or an anarchistic conservative liberal.

#mindispsinning

No you're still liberal. Just against banning hate speech, that one subject doesn't make you conservative lol. I don't even think most liberals support banning hate speech

Many do. Many my age do.

It scares me.

I'm probably the left-most person currently on this site, but I view the removal of free speech as something that would be antithetical to a socially liberal view.

Yeah, it's why you're not really a progressive.

I think the label "progressive" is a broad term that you're allowing to be bastardized. Progressives shouldn't want bread and circus, they should want freedom. "Progressive" should imply a liberalization.

Free speech is part of freedom.

My point.
"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here,
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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Death23
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3/19/2016 10:37:20 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
What are your views on restrictions of obscene speech?

Do you agree with this passage?

The idea that the First Amendment permits government to ban publications that are 'offensive' to some people puts an ominous gloss on freedom of the press. That test would make it possible to ban any paper or any journal or magazine in some benighted place. The First Amendment was designed 'to invite dispute,' to induce 'a condition of unrest,' to 'create dissatisfaction with conditions as they are,' and even to stir 'people to anger.' The idea that the First Amendment permits punishment for ideas that are 'offensive' to the particular judge or jury sitting in judgment is astounding. No greater leveler of speech or literature has ever been designed. To give the power to the censor, as we do today, is to make a sharp and radical break with the traditions of a free society. The First Amendment was not fashioned as a vehicle for dispensing tranquilizers to the people. Its prime function was to keep debate open to 'offensive' as well as to 'staid' people. The tendency throughout history has been to subdue the individual and to exalt the power of government. The use of the standard 'offensive' gives authority to government that cuts the very vitals out of the First Amendment. As is intimated by the Court's opinion, the materials before us may be garbage. But so is much of what is said in political campaigns, in the daily press, on TV, or over the radio. By reason of the First Amendment"and solely because of it"speakers and publishers have not been threatened or subdued because their thoughts and ideas may be 'offensive' to some.
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3/19/2016 10:40:47 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:34:27 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:32:37 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:30:35 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:27:17 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:22:00 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:59:32 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:58:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:45:00 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:09:52 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM, YYW wrote:


The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.

Hugo Black is probably rolling in his grave right now.

I guess I'm a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative, or an anarchistic conservative liberal.

#mindispsinning

No you're still liberal. Just against banning hate speech, that one subject doesn't make you conservative lol. I don't even think most liberals support banning hate speech

Many do. Many my age do.

It scares me.

I'm probably the left-most person currently on this site, but I view the removal of free speech as something that would be antithetical to a socially liberal view.

Yeah, it's why you're not really a progressive.

I think the label "progressive" is a broad term that you're allowing to be bastardized. Progressives shouldn't want bread and circus, they should want freedom. "Progressive" should imply a liberalization.

Free speech is part of freedom.

My point.

You wouldn't believe how many people I know claim to be liberals but oppose free speech.
"In Guns We Trust" Tajshar2k
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3/19/2016 10:42:46 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:40:47 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:34:27 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:32:37 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:30:35 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:27:17 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:22:00 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:59:32 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:58:49 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:45:00 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 9:09:52 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/19/2016 8:21:47 PM, YYW wrote:


The threat to free speech is coming from a generation that is being taught by progressive liberals to believe in freedom from speech they don't like.

Hugo Black is probably rolling in his grave right now.

I guess I'm a conservative liberal, or a liberal conservative, or an anarchistic conservative liberal.

#mindispsinning

No you're still liberal. Just against banning hate speech, that one subject doesn't make you conservative lol. I don't even think most liberals support banning hate speech

Many do. Many my age do.

It scares me.

I'm probably the left-most person currently on this site, but I view the removal of free speech as something that would be antithetical to a socially liberal view.

Yeah, it's why you're not really a progressive.

I think the label "progressive" is a broad term that you're allowing to be bastardized. Progressives shouldn't want bread and circus, they should want freedom. "Progressive" should imply a liberalization.

Free speech is part of freedom.

My point.

You wouldn't believe how many people I know claim to be liberals but oppose free speech.

They aren't learning if people just put them off and say they're wrong. If they need their hands held through political and legal talk, so be it.
"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here,
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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3/20/2016 5:20:26 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/19/2016 10:03:48 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:02:43 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:00:45 PM, Hayd wrote:

Yeah, that ain't good. But that one issue doesn't make you conservative

Conservative, in relation at least to where liberalism is going.

Well, I suppose you could say I am conservative on the topic of hate speech. But that is one social subject out of a hundred more, which you are liberal in all. So if someone asks you what you are socially, you say liberal still.

This one issue is enough to preclude me from supporting liberalism at all in the foreseeable future.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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3/20/2016 5:44:42 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 5:20:26 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:03:48 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:02:43 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/19/2016 10:00:45 PM, Hayd wrote:

Yeah, that ain't good. But that one issue doesn't make you conservative

Conservative, in relation at least to where liberalism is going.

Well, I suppose you could say I am conservative on the topic of hate speech. But that is one social subject out of a hundred more, which you are liberal in all. So if someone asks you what you are socially, you say liberal still.

This one issue is enough to preclude me from supporting liberalism at all in the foreseeable future.

Same.