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3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.
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3/20/2016 7:14:41 PM
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At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

Mitt Romney is a Mormon.
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3/20/2016 7:16:51 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 7:14:41 PM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

Mitt Romney is a Mormon.

Good excuse. Wait, McCain only won 62% in 2008 and Bush only won 71% in 2004 and 66% in 2000.
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3/20/2016 7:21:09 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 7:16:51 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/20/2016 7:14:41 PM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

Mitt Romney is a Mormon.

Good excuse. Wait, McCain only won 62% in 2008 and Bush only won 71% in 2004 and 66% in 2000.
And?
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3/20/2016 7:26:19 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 7:21:09 PM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/20/2016 7:16:51 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/20/2016 7:14:41 PM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

Mitt Romney is a Mormon.

Good excuse. Wait, McCain only won 62% in 2008 and Bush only won 71% in 2004 and 66% in 2000.
And?

Generally speaking, your presumptive nominee shouldn't lose states that regularly give you 65% of the vote.
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3/20/2016 7:31:40 PM
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At 3/20/2016 7:26:19 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/20/2016 7:21:09 PM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/20/2016 7:16:51 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/20/2016 7:14:41 PM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

Mitt Romney is a Mormon.

Good excuse. Wait, McCain only won 62% in 2008 and Bush only won 71% in 2004 and 66% in 2000.
And?

Generally speaking, your presumptive nominee shouldn't lose states that regularly give you 65% of the vote.

Generally speaking, your party shouldn't grind its a$$ in basic issues and have issues with factions that occasionally go maverick.
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3/20/2016 7:36:29 PM
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At 3/20/2016 7:26:19 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/20/2016 7:21:09 PM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/20/2016 7:16:51 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/20/2016 7:14:41 PM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

Mitt Romney is a Mormon.

Good excuse. Wait, McCain only won 62% in 2008 and Bush only won 71% in 2004 and 66% in 2000.
And?

Generally speaking, your presumptive nominee shouldn't lose states that regularly give you 65% of the vote.

He'll probably make it up somewhere else. Don't worry.
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3/20/2016 8:40:04 PM
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3/20/2016 9:37:00 PM
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At 3/20/2016 8:40:04 PM, thett3 wrote:
Hey TN05, I found a store that I thought would really interest you: https://lowtcenter.com...

I thougfht that said lolwutcenter for a moment there...
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3/20/2016 9:42:01 PM
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At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

I'm skeptical about that and all other maps; Trump has drawn voters into the Republican party unlike any candidate before. Some of those voters are coming to the party to vote against him, but most are blue collar working Americans who understand the bad impact NAFTA and other similar trade deals have had on them and their kids' futures.
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3/21/2016 1:19:42 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 9:42:01 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

I'm skeptical about that and all other maps; Drumpf has drawn voters into the Republican party unlike any candidate before. Some of those voters are coming to the party to vote against him, but most are blue collar working Americans who understand the bad impact NAFTA and other similar trade deals have had on them and their kids' futures.

Eh. That's yet to show up in the polls. If anything Drumpf is driving away more Republicans than he is bringing in - when 50% of your party is unhappy with you and 30% would vote elsewhere, you need a big surge. And that's not really happening. And given how bad the electoral map is for Republicans, you can't afford to lose easy states like Utah (or it's close anti-Drumpf states of Idaho and Wyoming). If anything this gives an opening for a third party to challenge exclusively in the West.
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3/21/2016 1:24:11 AM
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At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

This isn't a Dumbney election year.
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3/21/2016 2:08:51 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 1:24:11 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

This isn't a Dumbney election year.

Read above. Typically Republicans win 65-70% of the vote in Utah. Dropping to 36% would be unprecedented.
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3/21/2016 3:12:42 AM
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Utah is a state with slightly less than 3 million people. Just the state of Utah going through this kind of change is not relevant, especially if it is offset by large gains in other, more important states.
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3/21/2016 1:56:04 PM
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At 3/21/2016 2:08:51 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 1:24:11 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

This isn't a Dumbney election year.

Read above. Typically Republicans win 65-70% of the vote in Utah. Dropping to 36% would be unprecedented.

I lived in Utah. It's a backwards Mormon state filled with floods of illegal fresh converts from Mormon missionary trips to 3rd world countries, especially near South America.

Utah is a mess.
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3/21/2016 4:05:04 PM
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At 3/21/2016 3:12:42 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Utah is a state with slightly less than 3 million people. Just the state of Utah going through this kind of change is not relevant, especially if it is offset by large gains in other, more important states.

And there is no evidence of that happening. But let's say that's the case. We'll say that most of the 2012 results hold. Trump loses Utah, but gains Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. He still loses 284-254 - and that's without accounting for moderately red states that might flip to blue like North Carolina or Arizona.
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3/21/2016 5:20:27 PM
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At 3/21/2016 4:05:04 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 3:12:42 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Utah is a state with slightly less than 3 million people. Just the state of Utah going through this kind of change is not relevant, especially if it is offset by large gains in other, more important states.

And there is no evidence of that happening. But let's say that's the case. We'll say that most of the 2012 results hold. Trump loses Utah, but gains Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. He still loses 284-254 - and that's without accounting for moderately red states that might flip to blue like North Carolina or Arizona.

Didn't he do well in NC? Trump is much more popular than you might think.
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3/21/2016 6:05:18 PM
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At 3/21/2016 5:20:27 PM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/21/2016 4:05:04 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 3:12:42 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Utah is a state with slightly less than 3 million people. Just the state of Utah going through this kind of change is not relevant, especially if it is offset by large gains in other, more important states.

And there is no evidence of that happening. But let's say that's the case. We'll say that most of the 2012 results hold. Drumpf loses Utah, but gains Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. He still loses 284-254 - and that's without accounting for moderately red states that might flip to blue like North Carolina or Arizona.

Didn't he do well in NC? Drumpf is much more popular than you might think.

He got 40% in a primary. Not really impressive. He'd definitely lose because the urban and minority voters will turn out against him (where I live, for instance, there are a ton of Asians. None I know like Trump).
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3/21/2016 6:25:26 PM
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Keep in mind: the Republican path to victory is already narrow. You have to win Florida and Ohio, plus Virginia and one other state (easiest would be Colorado, Iowa, Nevada, or New Hampshire, but Wisconsin or Minnesota could work, although it would be unlikely) OR Pennsylvania. That would have been very doable with someone like Rubio, very possible with Kasich, and unlikely but not outright impossible with Cruz. A Trump nomination would render this idea impossible. In all likelihood, Florida and Virginia would be out of play - that's 42 electoral votes. NC would be very, very likely to switch because of the massive urban turnout it would inspire, and Arizona could be targeted as well.

Let's go against all polling, however, and assume that Trump makes up for these losses by aiming for the rust belt. He loses Utah and NC, but wins Ohio (possible), Pennsylvania (virtually impossible, for reasons I can give if asked), Michigan (unlikely), and Wisconsin (somewhere between Ohio and Michigan). He still loses 289-249. Where does he make those votes up? He could try to piece together a small-state coalition by targeting New Hampshire, Colorado, Nevada, and Iowa, which would put him over the top - but that stretches resources way too thin.

Keep in mind that even to get to this point Trump has to win Ohio, Pennsylvania, AND Michigan. To win requires not just a massive ground operation, but also a huge advertising swing. The earlier Republican win pattern (OH + FL + PA OR VA/other state) requires real campaigning in maybe five or six states, and you only need to four of them. The Trump plan (OH + PA + MI + WI + NH + CO + NV + IA) requires eight states, and you have to win all of them. I just don't see the path.
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3/21/2016 6:45:00 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/20/2016 7:16:51 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/20/2016 7:14:41 PM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

Mitt Romney is a Mormon.

Good excuse. Wait, McCain only won 62% in 2008 and Bush only won 71% in 2004 and 66% in 2000.

And Romney didn't politically oppose the two in your example. As mentioned Romney is Mormon and Utah is very influenced by his nonsense. Utah is a non issue
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3/22/2016 12:12:30 AM
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At 3/21/2016 6:05:18 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 5:20:27 PM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/21/2016 4:05:04 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 3:12:42 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Utah is a state with slightly less than 3 million people. Just the state of Utah going through this kind of change is not relevant, especially if it is offset by large gains in other, more important states.

And there is no evidence of that happening. But let's say that's the case. We'll say that most of the 2012 results hold. Drumpf loses Utah, but gains Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. He still loses 284-254 - and that's without accounting for moderately red states that might flip to blue like North Carolina or Arizona.

Didn't he do well in NC? Drumpf is much more popular than you might think.

He got 40% in a primary. Not really impressive. He'd definitely lose because the urban and minority voters will turn out against him (where I live, for instance, there are a ton of Asians. None I know like Trump).

Why do you do this? This goes beyond simply not wanting him elected. Its like calling Obama Obummer. Either way, Cruz is doing WORSE.
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3/22/2016 12:17:11 AM
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At 3/22/2016 12:12:30 AM, Geographia wrote:

Why do you do this? This goes beyond simply not wanting him elected. Its like calling Obama Obummer. Either way, Cruz is doing WORSE.

TN just wants CRUDZ to win.
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3/22/2016 12:54:40 AM
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At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

There's a lot of people talking about how Trump will remake the map by swiping white working class voters from Dems.

I really don't buy it. I think people underestimate how rarely people vote across party lines, and I think people underestimate the divisive effect Trump has within the GOP. There will be a lot of third party voters this year.

Also in a Trump v Clinton election, it is going to be an all out mud fight. As the public gets to know Trump, and more of his soundbites get played, the vast majority of the population who hasn't been paying close attention to the primary will figure out why people are so averse to Trump.

Ads like this will go a long way, and this is an ad coming from within the GOP:

Plus, once the Dems start digging into Trump's released policies, the facade of Trump as a populist will fall away. Dems can articulate policy attacks that the GOP primary contender couldn't, e.g. that he advocates massive tax cuts for the rich.
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3/22/2016 1:40:09 AM
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At 3/20/2016 7:31:40 PM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/20/2016 7:26:19 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/20/2016 7:21:09 PM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/20/2016 7:16:51 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/20/2016 7:14:41 PM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

Mitt Romney is a Mormon.

Good excuse. Wait, McCain only won 62% in 2008 and Bush only won 71% in 2004 and 66% in 2000.
And?

Generally speaking, your presumptive nominee shouldn't lose states that regularly give you 65% of the vote.

Generally speaking, your party shouldn't grind its a$$ in basic issues and have issues with factions that occasionally go maverick.

Say what?
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3/22/2016 2:26:56 AM
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At 3/22/2016 12:54:40 AM, Raisor wrote:
At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

There's a lot of people talking about how Trump will remake the map by swiping white working class voters from Dems.

I really don't buy it. I think people underestimate how rarely people vote across party lines, and I think people underestimate the divisive effect Trump has within the GOP. There will be a lot of third party voters this year.

Also in a Trump v Clinton election, it is going to be an all out mud fight. As the public gets to know Trump, and more of his soundbites get played, the vast majority of the population who hasn't been paying close attention to the primary will figure out why people are so averse to Trump.

Ads like this will go a long way, and this is an ad coming from within the GOP:



Plus, once the Dems start digging into Trump's released policies, the facade of Trump as a populist will fall away. Dems can articulate policy attacks that the GOP primary contender couldn't, e.g. that he advocates massive tax cuts for the rich.

I'm will be a registered Democrat voting for Trump
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3/22/2016 2:42:52 AM
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At 3/22/2016 2:26:56 AM, vortex86 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 12:54:40 AM, Raisor wrote:
At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

There's a lot of people talking about how Trump will remake the map by swiping white working class voters from Dems.

I really don't buy it. I think people underestimate how rarely people vote across party lines, and I think people underestimate the divisive effect Trump has within the GOP. There will be a lot of third party voters this year.

Also in a Trump v Clinton election, it is going to be an all out mud fight. As the public gets to know Trump, and more of his soundbites get played, the vast majority of the population who hasn't been paying close attention to the primary will figure out why people are so averse to Trump.

Ads like this will go a long way, and this is an ad coming from within the GOP:



Plus, once the Dems start digging into Trump's released policies, the facade of Trump as a populist will fall away. Dems can articulate policy attacks that the GOP primary contender couldn't, e.g. that he advocates massive tax cuts for the rich.

I'm will be a registered Democrat voting for Trump

That's interesting. I'm curious why? And did you vote for Obama in '12 and '08?

I'm sure there will be some, but I don't think there will be a lot.
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3/22/2016 3:34:00 AM
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At 3/22/2016 12:12:30 AM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/21/2016 6:05:18 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 5:20:27 PM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/21/2016 4:05:04 PM, TN05 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 3:12:42 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Utah is a state with slightly less than 3 million people. Just the state of Utah going through this kind of change is not relevant, especially if it is offset by large gains in other, more important states.

And there is no evidence of that happening. But let's say that's the case. We'll say that most of the 2012 results hold. Drumpf loses Utah, but gains Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. He still loses 284-254 - and that's without accounting for moderately red states that might flip to blue like North Carolina or Arizona.

Didn't he do well in NC? Drumpf is much more popular than you might think.

He got 40% in a primary. Not really impressive. He'd definitely lose because the urban and minority voters will turn out against him (where I live, for instance, there are a ton of Asians. None I know like Drumpf).

Why do you do this? This goes beyond simply not wanting him elected. Its like calling Obama Obummer. Either way, Cruz is doing WORSE.

That's his name. Donald J. Drumpf. He should be proud of his heritage!
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3/22/2016 3:38:13 AM
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At 3/22/2016 12:54:40 AM, Raisor wrote:
At 3/20/2016 6:51:41 PM, TN05 wrote:
A new poll shows Drumpf would lose Utah 38%-36% to Clinton and 48%-37% to Sanders. (http://m.deseretnews.com...) In 2012, Romney won Utah 73% to 25%.

There's a lot of people talking about how Drumpf will remake the map by swiping white working class voters from Dems.

I really don't buy it. I think people underestimate how rarely people vote across party lines, and I think people underestimate the divisive effect Drumpf has within the GOP. There will be a lot of third party voters this year.

Yep. For every voter he is drawing in, he is losing a Republican and turning away a swing voter. He sacrificing Florida, NC, and Virginia in hopes he can sweep the Rust Belt and then cobble together four or five other swing-state wins. As I explained above it's just not likely at all.

Also in a Drumpf v Clinton election, it is going to be an all out mud fight. As the public gets to know Drumpf, and more of his soundbites get played, the vast majority of the population who hasn't been paying close attention to the primary will figure out why people are so averse to Drumpf.

Ads like this will go a long way, and this is an ad coming from within the GOP:



Plus, once the Dems start digging into Drumpf's released policies, the facade of Drumpf as a populist will fall away. Dems can articulate policy attacks that the GOP primary contender couldn't, e.g. that he advocates massive tax cuts for the rich.

Pretty much, yeah. Clinton's already moved to his right on Israel and could feasibly try to do it on trade. Not to mention she could shut anything down with 'If you don't like me or Bill, why'd you say he's the greatest President in your lifetime and donate to my campaigns?". She just has to be marginally less unlikeable than Trump.
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3/22/2016 4:16:39 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 1:40:09 AM, TBR wrote:

Generally speaking, your party shouldn't grind its a$$ in basic issues and have issues with factions that occasionally go maverick.

Say what?

What don't you get?
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3/22/2016 2:40:03 PM
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At 3/22/2016 4:16:39 AM, Geographia wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:40:09 AM, TBR wrote:

Generally speaking, your party shouldn't grind its a$$ in basic issues and have issues with factions that occasionally go maverick.

Say what?

What don't you get?

None of what you said makes any sense. If you want to clarify, great.