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3/22/2016 1:58:51 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 1:24:13 PM, YYW wrote:
http://www.bbc.com...

Yet again, Islamists have killed innocent people in Europe.

Inb4 Obama refuses to call them Islamic extremists.
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3/22/2016 2:16:02 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 1:58:51 PM, dylancatlow wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:24:13 PM, YYW wrote:
http://www.bbc.com...

Yet again, Islamists have killed innocent people in Europe.

Inb4 Obama refuses to call them Islamic extremists.

I doubt that will happen. Obama, though he has a softer tone towards Islam generally, is one of the harshest critics of this particular species of Islam.
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3/22/2016 2:25:07 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 1:24:13 PM, YYW wrote:
http://www.bbc.com...

Yet again, Islamists have killed innocent people in Europe.

You can't say Islamists. It hurts ISIS' feelings and puckers the butts of Sociopathic, narcissistic, progressive Liberals. Plus, you may be labled racist, despite Islam not being a race...

It also depends if you are white or other. If you are white everything you say is racist or bigoted. Obama said anti-white things constantly. No one flinched because he's "black". Ironically, I'm generally labled "white", yet Obama is more "white" than I am. My mother is not white at all. So based on the hypocrisy of it all, I can say Islamofascist, or can I seeing I'm part white? We need a handbook on this crap...
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3/22/2016 2:32:57 PM
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Scores of people may be dead and wounded, but the important thing that we must learn today is that not all Muslims are terrorists. /s
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3/22/2016 3:01:30 PM
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I see Ted Cruz and Donald Trump have already used this attack as a launch pad for speaking points.
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3/22/2016 4:29:17 PM
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The more ISIS continues this, the more likely the United States is to close its borders to all from the Middle East.
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3/22/2016 5:24:29 PM
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Let's see what the apologists come up with now
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3/22/2016 6:13:41 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 2:32:57 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
Scores of people may be dead and wounded, but the important thing that we must learn today is that not all Muslims are terrorists. /s

Interesting that BBC titled it as "Brussels attacks: Zaventem and Maelbeek bombs kill many"

And the OP titled it as "Brussels Attacked by Islamists"

It almost takes away from the gravity of the situation (people are being attacked) to instead turn it into some religious distraction.
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3/22/2016 6:58:39 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 6:13:41 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 3/22/2016 2:32:57 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
Scores of people may be dead and wounded, but the important thing that we must learn today is that not all Muslims are terrorists. /s

Interesting that BBC titled it as "Brussels attacks: Zaventem and Maelbeek bombs kill many"

And the OP titled it as "Brussels Attacked by Islamists"

It almost takes away from the gravity of the situation (people are being attacked) to instead turn it into some religious distraction.

You're worried about the gravity of the situation? It is the reality of the situation that matters. BBC's title takes away from the reality that these attacks aren't some tragic happenstance, but they are in fact brutal attacks, an outright atrocity and an act of war.

Take the word "bomb" out of BBC's title. "[blank] kills many". You'd wonder if the deaths were caused by a massive earthquake, or a flash flood, or a random meteor strike. But you would have no idea what really happened. Now try taking "attacked" out of YYW's title. You still know what happened. Brussels was attacked by the enemies of Western Civilization and the innocent civilians killed by these attacks are victims of what amounts to war crimes. Anyone that tries to sweep that reality under the rug deserves nothing other than scorn and disdain.
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3/22/2016 7:03:40 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 6:58:39 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
At 3/22/2016 6:13:41 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 3/22/2016 2:32:57 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
Scores of people may be dead and wounded, but the important thing that we must learn today is that not all Muslims are terrorists. /s

Interesting that BBC titled it as "Brussels attacks: Zaventem and Maelbeek bombs kill many"

And the OP titled it as "Brussels Attacked by Islamists"

It almost takes away from the gravity of the situation (people are being attacked) to instead turn it into some religious distraction.

You're worried about the gravity of the situation? It is the reality of the situation that matters. BBC's title takes away from the reality that these attacks aren't some tragic happenstance, but they are in fact brutal attacks, an outright atrocity and an act of war.

Take the word "bomb" out of BBC's title. "[blank] kills many". You'd wonder if the deaths were caused by a massive earthquake, or a flash flood, or a random meteor strike. But you would have no idea what really happened. Now try taking "attacked" out of YYW's title. You still know what happened. Brussels was attacked by the enemies of Western Civilization and the innocent civilians killed by these attacks are victims of what amounts to war crimes. Anyone that tries to sweep that reality under the rug deserves nothing other than scorn and disdain.

These "enemies" are terrorists. We can have a conversation about it without trying to blame a religion for it.
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3/22/2016 7:18:54 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 6:58:39 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
At 3/22/2016 6:13:41 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 3/22/2016 2:32:57 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
Scores of people may be dead and wounded, but the important thing that we must learn today is that not all Muslims are terrorists. /s

Interesting that BBC titled it as "Brussels attacks: Zaventem and Maelbeek bombs kill many"

And the OP titled it as "Brussels Attacked by Islamists"

It almost takes away from the gravity of the situation (people are being attacked) to instead turn it into some religious distraction.

You're worried about the gravity of the situation? It is the reality of the situation that matters. BBC's title takes away from the reality that these attacks aren't some tragic happenstance, but they are in fact brutal attacks, an outright atrocity and an act of war.

Take the word "bomb" out of BBC's title. "[blank] kills many". You'd wonder if the deaths were caused by a massive earthquake, or a flash flood, or a random meteor strike. But you would have no idea what really happened. Now try taking "attacked" out of YYW's title. You still know what happened. Brussels was attacked by the enemies of Western Civilization and the innocent civilians killed by these attacks are victims of what amounts to war crimes. Anyone that tries to sweep that reality under the rug deserves nothing other than scorn and disdain.

Imagine that - you're just going about your business, and boom! ...your family killed outright and you left alive, but with "life changing injuries". And for what? Religio-political point scoring, is it? I don't know. Could anyone explain the point of it? What do they want? I don't like to use the word evil, but what else can you call it when they attack families at an airport on Easter holidays?
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3/22/2016 7:29:05 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 7:03:40 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 3/22/2016 6:58:39 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
At 3/22/2016 6:13:41 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 3/22/2016 2:32:57 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
Scores of people may be dead and wounded, but the important thing that we must learn today is that not all Muslims are terrorists. /s

Interesting that BBC titled it as "Brussels attacks: Zaventem and Maelbeek bombs kill many"

And the OP titled it as "Brussels Attacked by Islamists"

It almost takes away from the gravity of the situation (people are being attacked) to instead turn it into some religious distraction.

You're worried about the gravity of the situation? It is the reality of the situation that matters. BBC's title takes away from the reality that these attacks aren't some tragic happenstance, but they are in fact brutal attacks, an outright atrocity and an act of war.

Take the word "bomb" out of BBC's title. "[blank] kills many". You'd wonder if the deaths were caused by a massive earthquake, or a flash flood, or a random meteor strike. But you would have no idea what really happened. Now try taking "attacked" out of YYW's title. You still know what happened. Brussels was attacked by the enemies of Western Civilization and the innocent civilians killed by these attacks are victims of what amounts to war crimes. Anyone that tries to sweep that reality under the rug deserves nothing other than scorn and disdain.

These "enemies" are terrorists. We can have a conversation about it without trying to blame a religion for it.

It is naive and dangerous to completely divorce violence such as this from the underlying ideology. Also, Islamism does not describe all of Islam or Muslims. It is a much more specific branch.

Why does the ideology matter? It is used as a recruiting tool and as a way to propagandize people-- "if you are a real [insert ideology here], you will join us in the spirit of self-sacrifice."

Also, dogmatic belief often dictates that life in the here and now is a distant second to the life hereafter, and it is precisely this idea which enables low tech but highly deadly suicide attacks.
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3/22/2016 7:34:50 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 7:03:40 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 3/22/2016 6:58:39 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
At 3/22/2016 6:13:41 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 3/22/2016 2:32:57 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
Scores of people may be dead and wounded, but the important thing that we must learn today is that not all Muslims are terrorists. /s

Interesting that BBC titled it as "Brussels attacks: Zaventem and Maelbeek bombs kill many"

And the OP titled it as "Brussels Attacked by Islamists"

It almost takes away from the gravity of the situation (people are being attacked) to instead turn it into some religious distraction.

You're worried about the gravity of the situation? It is the reality of the situation that matters. BBC's title takes away from the reality that these attacks aren't some tragic happenstance, but they are in fact brutal attacks, an outright atrocity and an act of war.

Take the word "bomb" out of BBC's title. "[blank] kills many". You'd wonder if the deaths were caused by a massive earthquake, or a flash flood, or a random meteor strike. But you would have no idea what really happened. Now try taking "attacked" out of YYW's title. You still know what happened. Brussels was attacked by the enemies of Western Civilization and the innocent civilians killed by these attacks are victims of what amounts to war crimes. Anyone that tries to sweep that reality under the rug deserves nothing other than scorn and disdain.

These "enemies" are terrorists. We can have a conversation about it without trying to blame a religion for it.

Ok, sure, but only after we first have a conversation on the Holocaust without mentioning Nazism, the Killing Fields without mentioning Communism, and Pearl Harbor without mentioning the Japanese.
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3/22/2016 7:38:40 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 3:01:30 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
I see Ted Cruz and Donald Trump have already used this attack as a launch pad for speaking points.

No different from what happens everytime there's a new shooting.
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3/22/2016 7:48:40 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 7:03:40 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 3/22/2016 6:58:39 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
At 3/22/2016 6:13:41 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 3/22/2016 2:32:57 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
Scores of people may be dead and wounded, but the important thing that we must learn today is that not all Muslims are terrorists. /s

Interesting that BBC titled it as "Brussels attacks: Zaventem and Maelbeek bombs kill many"

And the OP titled it as "Brussels Attacked by Islamists"

It almost takes away from the gravity of the situation (people are being attacked) to instead turn it into some religious distraction.

You're worried about the gravity of the situation? It is the reality of the situation that matters. BBC's title takes away from the reality that these attacks aren't some tragic happenstance, but they are in fact brutal attacks, an outright atrocity and an act of war.

Take the word "bomb" out of BBC's title. "[blank] kills many". You'd wonder if the deaths were caused by a massive earthquake, or a flash flood, or a random meteor strike. But you would have no idea what really happened. Now try taking "attacked" out of YYW's title. You still know what happened. Brussels was attacked by the enemies of Western Civilization and the innocent civilians killed by these attacks are victims of what amounts to war crimes. Anyone that tries to sweep that reality under the rug deserves nothing other than scorn and disdain.

These "enemies" are terrorists. We can have a conversation about it without trying to blame a religion for it.

We can blame the religion all we want. It's where the violence originates from.
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3/22/2016 7:49:18 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Jesus Christ. Not one reply other that to bash Obama. Whatever fools.

Look. Islam is just a terrible religion. Bicker about it, insist that we must respect the good people who represent the majority, whatever. Doing that is as moronic as getting worked up about Obama not calling them maniacs. It does nothing to add to the conversation.
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3/22/2016 7:57:46 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 7:49:18 PM, TBR wrote:
Jesus Christ. Not one reply other that to bash Obama. Whatever fools.

Look. Islam is just a terrible religion. Bicker about it, insist that we must respect the good people who represent the majority, whatever. Doing that is as moronic as getting worked up about Obama not calling them maniacs. It does nothing to add to the conversation.

Obama refuses to call them terrorists. I don't understand why. It might be irrelevant, but it's the truth.
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3/22/2016 8:01:44 PM
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At 3/22/2016 7:29:05 PM, Fly wrote:
It is naive and dangerous to completely divorce violence such as this from the underlying ideology. Also, Islamism does not describe all of Islam or Muslims. It is a much more specific branch.

Why does the ideology matter? It is used as a recruiting tool and as a way to propagandize people-- "if you are a real [insert ideology here], you will join us in the spirit of self-sacrifice."

Also, dogmatic belief often dictates that life in the here and now is a distant second to the life hereafter, and it is precisely this idea which enables low tech but highly deadly suicide attacks.

Trying to tie Islam to terrorism is essentially handing over victory to the terrorists and legitimizing them as representatives of Muslims. Terrorists are terrorists and we can condemn their actions directly without giving them legitimacy.
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3/22/2016 8:05:11 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 7:34:50 PM, 1Percenter wrote:
Ok, sure, but only after we first have a conversation on the Holocaust without mentioning Nazism, the Killing Fields without mentioning Communism, and Pearl Harbor without mentioning the Japanese.

This is exactly what I'm talking about actually. You are being fairly specific regarding the Holocuast. You're not saying "Christians are responsible for the Holocaust" or "White people are responsible for the Holocaust" or "Germans are responsible for the Holocaust." You specifically blame Nazis. So, why is it when ISIS attacks people or Al Queda attacks people, we feel the need to have a debate about "Islam" or "Muslims" in general rather than the terrorist groups that perpetuated these attacks?
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3/22/2016 8:13:29 PM
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At 3/22/2016 8:01:44 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
At 3/22/2016 7:29:05 PM, Fly wrote:
It is naive and dangerous to completely divorce violence such as this from the underlying ideology. Also, Islamism does not describe all of Islam or Muslims. It is a much more specific branch.

Why does the ideology matter? It is used as a recruiting tool and as a way to propagandize people-- "if you are a real [insert ideology here], you will join us in the spirit of self-sacrifice."

Also, dogmatic belief often dictates that life in the here and now is a distant second to the life hereafter, and it is precisely this idea which enables low tech but highly deadly suicide attacks.

Trying to tie Islam to terrorism is essentially handing over victory to the terrorists and legitimizing them as representatives of Muslims. Terrorists are terrorists and we can condemn their actions directly without giving them legitimacy.

If you will read more carefully, you will see that both the OP and I are tying Islamism, not all of Islam, to the tendency towards terrorist violence. Terrorism is merely the tactic; Islamism provides the reasons and goals for using the tactic.

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3/22/2016 8:13:36 PM
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At 3/22/2016 7:57:46 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/22/2016 7:49:18 PM, TBR wrote:
Jesus Christ. Not one reply other that to bash Obama. Whatever fools.

Look. Islam is just a terrible religion. Bicker about it, insist that we must respect the good people who represent the majority, whatever. Doing that is as moronic as getting worked up about Obama not calling them maniacs. It does nothing to add to the conversation.

Obama refuses to call them terrorists. I don't understand why. It might be irrelevant, but it's the truth.

Because he can't be as reckless as a couple guys on the internet. You have to have information, you have to consider ramifications. That is what actual leaders do, rather than jump at the first and most convent phrasing.
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3/22/2016 8:18:49 PM
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At 3/22/2016 8:13:36 PM, TBR wrote:
At 3/22/2016 7:57:46 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/22/2016 7:49:18 PM, TBR wrote:
Jesus Christ. Not one reply other that to bash Obama. Whatever fools.

Look. Islam is just a terrible religion. Bicker about it, insist that we must respect the good people who represent the majority, whatever. Doing that is as moronic as getting worked up about Obama not calling them maniacs. It does nothing to add to the conversation.

Obama refuses to call them terrorists. I don't understand why. It might be irrelevant, but it's the truth.

Because he can't be as reckless as a couple guys on the internet. You have to have information, you have to consider ramifications. That is what actual leaders do, rather than jump at the first and most convent phrasing.

That's the largest difference between Obama and Trump.
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3/22/2016 8:27:18 PM
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At 3/22/2016 8:13:36 PM, TBR wrote:
At 3/22/2016 7:57:46 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/22/2016 7:49:18 PM, TBR wrote:
Jesus Christ. Not one reply other that to bash Obama. Whatever fools.

Look. Islam is just a terrible religion. Bicker about it, insist that we must respect the good people who represent the majority, whatever. Doing that is as moronic as getting worked up about Obama not calling them maniacs. It does nothing to add to the conversation.

Obama refuses to call them terrorists. I don't understand why. It might be irrelevant, but it's the truth.

Because he can't be as reckless as a couple guys on the internet. You have to have information, you have to consider ramifications. That is what actual leaders do, rather than jump at the first and most convent phrasing.

But he calls them extremists??? When a guy blows a building up, they are a terrorist. Not an extremist. If he didn't consider ramifications, then he wouldn't be calling them extremists.
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3/22/2016 8:28:51 PM
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At 3/22/2016 8:18:49 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 3/22/2016 8:13:36 PM, TBR wrote:
At 3/22/2016 7:57:46 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/22/2016 7:49:18 PM, TBR wrote:
Jesus Christ. Not one reply other that to bash Obama. Whatever fools.

Look. Islam is just a terrible religion. Bicker about it, insist that we must respect the good people who represent the majority, whatever. Doing that is as moronic as getting worked up about Obama not calling them maniacs. It does nothing to add to the conversation.

Obama refuses to call them terrorists. I don't understand why. It might be irrelevant, but it's the truth.

Because he can't be as reckless as a couple guys on the internet. You have to have information, you have to consider ramifications. That is what actual leaders do, rather than jump at the first and most convent phrasing.

That's the largest difference between Obama and Trump.

Nope. Trump does more than that, he simply using his rheotric to push his far right agenda, which get's him votes. Simply admitting they are terrorists is not wrong in any way. I'm pretty sure some muslims admit they are terrorists.
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3/22/2016 8:35:25 PM
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At 3/22/2016 8:28:51 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/22/2016 8:18:49 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 3/22/2016 8:13:36 PM, TBR wrote:
At 3/22/2016 7:57:46 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/22/2016 7:49:18 PM, TBR wrote:
Jesus Christ. Not one reply other that to bash Obama. Whatever fools.

Look. Islam is just a terrible religion. Bicker about it, insist that we must respect the good people who represent the majority, whatever. Doing that is as moronic as getting worked up about Obama not calling them maniacs. It does nothing to add to the conversation.

Obama refuses to call them terrorists. I don't understand why. It might be irrelevant, but it's the truth.

Because he can't be as reckless as a couple guys on the internet. You have to have information, you have to consider ramifications. That is what actual leaders do, rather than jump at the first and most convent phrasing.

That's the largest difference between Obama and Trump.

Nope. Trump does more than that, he simply using his rheotric to push his far right agenda, which get's him votes. Simply admitting they are terrorists is not wrong in any way. I'm pretty sure some muslims admit they are terrorists.

And what does it matter if he calls them terrorist or extremist ? It'a not like he's sympathising with them in any way, he's Cleary condemning them. It's not like extremism has any positive or euphemistic conatations to them, all he did was use a synonym.
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3/22/2016 8:36:43 PM
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At 3/22/2016 8:13:36 PM, TBR wrote:
At 3/22/2016 7:57:46 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/22/2016 7:49:18 PM, TBR wrote:
Jesus Christ. Not one reply other that to bash Obama. Whatever fools.

Look. Islam is just a terrible religion. Bicker about it, insist that we must respect the good people who represent the majority, whatever. Doing that is as moronic as getting worked up about Obama not calling them maniacs. It does nothing to add to the conversation.

Obama refuses to call them terrorists. I don't understand why. It might be irrelevant, but it's the truth.

Because he can't be as reckless as a couple guys on the internet. You have to have information, you have to consider ramifications. That is what actual leaders do, rather than jump at the first and most convent phrasing.

Trump is much like the typical, reckless guy on the Internet but with one important difference: he is a serious contender for POTUS! The world shudders collectively at that prospect...

As for the current president, he could and should do more to label this what it is and emphasize that it is a particularly dogmatic and violent subset of the larger faith. It would also be a golden opportunity to show solidarity with the Muslims who are fighting against ISIS while not avoiding the issue.
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