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3/23/2016 2:20:06 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
The Barack Hussein Obama Kill List

-A local Ohio reporter grilled President Obama forcefully about his controversial so-called "kill list" on Tuesday.

Obama has been making an aggressive effort to speak to local reporters during the 2012 campaign, and Ben Swann, a reporter for Fox 19 in Cincinnati, used some of his minutes to press him about the list, which has the names of people who the administration has selected for targeted drone strikes. Press reports about the program have been the subject of heated political arguments on Capitol Hill.

Swann was remarkably frank about the interview in a "Reality Check" segment. It was, in several ways, a tougher, more skeptical segment than viewers would find on many a national news program.

Noting that the administration has killed U.S. citizens such as Anwar Al-Awlaki, he played a clip of himself asking Obama, "How do you utilize that power ... to assassinate even US citizens?"

Obama replied that he had never even confirmed the existence of the list.

"What an answer," Swann said when the clip was finished playing. "The president won"t confirm that list, but he won"t deny the list. It didn"t just get out because of hard-nosed journalists breaking the story. It was leaked by the administration ... the president acted like this is something secretive that he"s never commented on but it is clear that members of his administration have no problem with talking about this list with reporters."

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/ben-swann-local-ohio-repo_n_1861943.html

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3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...
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3/23/2016 8:26:46 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM, Fly wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths. Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists. He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.
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3/23/2016 8:33:36 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM, Fly wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

He is an "Islamist" fly. Huma Aberdeen is Clinton's right hand gal and her whole family is tied to the Muslim Brotherhood. Come on now fly. Come on. Espionage is taught and commanded by the Quran. Taqiyya, kitman, maruna, and tawriya are terms for how to blend in with the enemy to destroy it from within. The 9/11 hijackers went to stripclubs, throwing everyone off. Why? Because Muslims are forbidden to do such things...unless, practicing maruna to destroy the infidel or progress the cause of Islam. Google it. Islamists aren't kidding when they say "Sharia for UK", "Sharia for U.S.", "Islam will rule the world", etc. You can take their word for it on that one.
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3/23/2016 9:12:31 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
You don't think the kill list YOU brought up for discussion has Islamists on it?

I'm afraid I don't get your point with this thread... even more so than your other many threads... whatever gets you through your day, I guess...
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3/23/2016 9:18:22 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/23/2016 8:26:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM, Fly wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths. Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists. He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.
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3/23/2016 9:21:04 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/23/2016 9:18:22 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 8:26:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM, Fly wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths. Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists. He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...
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3/23/2016 9:26:23 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/23/2016 9:21:04 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:18:22 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 8:26:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM, Fly wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths. Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists. He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Well the problem is the American intervention Republicans are striving for. They have nobody but themselves to blame for supporting the Iraq War. The whole ISIS came after we left is bull*it. Did you expect us to be there for 30 years? Even if we were there for 100 years nothing would have changed.
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3/23/2016 9:47:50 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/23/2016 9:26:23 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:21:04 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:18:22 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 8:26:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM, Fly wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths. Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists. He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Well the problem is the American intervention Republicans are striving for. They have nobody but themselves to blame for supporting the Iraq War. The whole ISIS came after we left is bull*it. Did you expect us to be there for 30 years? Even if we were there for 100 years nothing would have changed.

Yes, being there for decades was never part of the push to invade. Even the invasion itself didn't really spark the formation of ISIS; it was the de-Ba'athification and sudden and humiliating dismantling of the Iraqi Army that mainly brought on most of our subsequent problems.
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3/24/2016 2:52:37 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/23/2016 9:26:23 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:21:04 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:18:22 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 8:26:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM, Fly wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths. Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists. He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Well the problem is the American intervention Republicans are striving for. They have nobody but themselves to blame for supporting the Iraq War. The whole ISIS came after we left is bull*it. Did you expect us to be there for 30 years? Even if we were there for 100 years nothing would have changed.

Yes. We can never leave the Middle East. It's 100% obvious that a non-policed region is anarchist and chaotic and will fall under extremist control. If Obama had helped the Iraqis(which he didn't), there would be no ISIS and there would have been a stable, systematic Iraqi army with law and order. The sudden U.S. military removal set Iraq up for failure with no option but to find control somewhere. ISIS became that control.
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3/24/2016 2:55:51 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/23/2016 9:47:50 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:26:23 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:21:04 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:18:22 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 8:26:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM, Fly wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths. Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists. He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Well the problem is the American intervention Republicans are striving for. They have nobody but themselves to blame for supporting the Iraq War. The whole ISIS came after we left is bull*it. Did you expect us to be there for 30 years? Even if we were there for 100 years nothing would have changed.

Yes, being there for decades was never part of the push to invade. Even the invasion itself didn't really spark the formation of ISIS; it was the de-Ba'athification and sudden and humiliating dismantling of the Iraqi Army that mainly brought on most of our subsequent problems.

Air isn't true since God doesn't exist. So you'll have to create your own air.
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3/24/2016 4:12:50 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 2:55:51 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:47:50 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:26:23 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:21:04 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:18:22 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 8:26:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM, Fly wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths. Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists. He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Well the problem is the American intervention Republicans are striving for. They have nobody but themselves to blame for supporting the Iraq War. The whole ISIS came after we left is bull*it. Did you expect us to be there for 30 years? Even if we were there for 100 years nothing would have changed.

Yes, being there for decades was never part of the push to invade. Even the invasion itself didn't really spark the formation of ISIS; it was the de-Ba'athification and sudden and humiliating dismantling of the Iraqi Army that mainly brought on most of our subsequent problems.

Air isn't true since God doesn't exist. So you'll have to create your own air.

No, you blow enough air for all of us...
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3/24/2016 11:35:52 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/23/2016 9:21:04 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:18:22 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 8:26:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM, Fly wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths. Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists. He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Bush isn't "my guy". He had his own faults. Obama was dealt the hand he was dealt, just like Bush, and he gets to own his like a big boy. He signed the Iran deal. He ordered a stand down at Benghazi. He pulled the troops out of Iraq without securing Iraq first. Once it became nonsecure, he never reacted. He has a "hit list" on American citizens, which he has not denied when.asked(unconstitutional and illegal by the way). He doesn't have a bucket list. He has a "something that rhymes with bucket list".
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3/24/2016 12:53:22 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 4:12:50 AM, Fly wrote:
At 3/24/2016 2:55:51 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:47:50 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:26:23 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:21:04 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:18:22 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 8:26:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM, Fly wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths. Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists. He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Well the problem is the American intervention Republicans are striving for. They have nobody but themselves to blame for supporting the Iraq War. The whole ISIS came after we left is bull*it. Did you expect us to be there for 30 years? Even if we were there for 100 years nothing would have changed.

Yes, being there for decades was never part of the push to invade. Even the invasion itself didn't really spark the formation of ISIS; it was the de-Ba'athification and sudden and humiliating dismantling of the Iraqi Army that mainly brought on most of our subsequent problems.

Air isn't true since God doesn't exist. So you'll have to create your own air.

No, you blow enough air for all of us...

I breathe out CO2. You can't breathe that in to support your body's needs. You need O2. You should know this fly.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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3/24/2016 1:41:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 11:35:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:21:04 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:18:22 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 8:26:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM, Fly wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths. Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists. He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Bush isn't "my guy". He had his own faults. Obama was dealt the hand he was dealt, just like Bush, and he gets to own his like a big boy. He signed the Iran deal. He ordered a stand down at Benghazi. He pulled the troops out of Iraq without securing Iraq first. Once it became nonsecure, he never reacted. He has a "hit list" on American citizens, which he has not denied when.asked(unconstitutional and illegal by the way). He doesn't have a bucket list. He has a "something that rhymes with bucket list".

Of course-- the old "I don't align with Bush but don't blame him for anything, either" narrative. I've seen the same sort of detached yet defensive stance with Sarah Palin as well.

Oh, so this thread is about you standing up for violent Islamists abroad who happen to be US citizens! Finally. Considering your spamming of these forums with your heavy handed distaste for all things Islamic (US citizen or not), you are not exactly showing a sense of ideological consistency here. Clearly, you are merely one of those "blame it all on O blah blah!" types... *yawn*
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3/24/2016 1:46:28 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 12:53:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 4:12:50 AM, Fly wrote:
At 3/24/2016 2:55:51 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:47:50 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:26:23 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:21:04 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:18:22 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 8:26:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM, Fly wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths. Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists. He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Well the problem is the American intervention Republicans are striving for. They have nobody but themselves to blame for supporting the Iraq War. The whole ISIS came after we left is bull*it. Did you expect us to be there for 30 years? Even if we were there for 100 years nothing would have changed.

Yes, being there for decades was never part of the push to invade. Even the invasion itself didn't really spark the formation of ISIS; it was the de-Ba'athification and sudden and humiliating dismantling of the Iraqi Army that mainly brought on most of our subsequent problems.

Air isn't true since God doesn't exist. So you'll have to create your own air.

No, you blow enough air for all of us...

I breathe out CO2. You can't breathe that in to support your body's needs. You need O2. You should know this fly.

Actually, you exhale both CO2 and excess O2. That is unless you live up in the Rockies or such place where your body needs all the O2 the air has up there.

You continue to demonstrate my claim...
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3/24/2016 1:49:41 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 11:35:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:21:04 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:18:22 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 8:26:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM, Fly wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths.

Since politics isn't your strong suit, let me help:

There were 2 targets that day, one of which was a distraction. The US embassy was attacked with the intent to draw out any forces from the CIA safe house. With no orders to aid friendly resources, it became a cluster. Human nature is to of course help out your allies, and by spreading resources around a large field, fog of war sets in and assistance becomes harder to bring. The CIA safe house was struck by a homemade mortar. Twice. In the middle of the night. This came after the initial embassy attack. Ergo, what do you think the target was? Orders to "stand down" were actually to not rush off to do something stupid. Hence why "stand down" orders and their subsequent denial are made: the people getting stand down orders didn't have the bigger picture that was unfolding. Secondly, do you remember the date of that attack? Quite possibly other threats of higher priority were being tracked, and resources kept on standby to lend to other locales. Big picture, bro.

Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists.

Yes. That is the hazard of being related to the military, CIA, or diplomatic envoys in hostile territory. Presidents order people and let people die so as to not reveal other aspects of an agenda that are being worked. Its charming that you think global politics is a bloodless affair.

He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

Citation for some of that dependent, of course. If he is a Muslim, he is the words Muslim ever considering his practices, his wife, his diet, etc.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Bush isn't "my guy". He had his own faults. Obama was dealt the hand he was dealt, just like Bush, and he gets to own his like a big boy.

Bush was dealt a budgetary surplus and peace time military. Obama was dealt crashing economy, and multiple deployments of US troops in the mid east. Which played their hand better? Answer honestly.

He signed the Iran deal.

Yes. And?

He ordered a stand down at Benghazi.

No he didn't.

He pulled the troops out of Iraq without securing Iraq first. Once it became nonsecure, he never reacted.

Yes, he pulled out because the liberated Iraqis would not grant us a Status of Forces Agreement, effectively making our troops useless as defenders. An occupied Iraq was a political football for their elections, and should we have stayed under the Iraqi's offered terms, it removes certain immunities for our troops, and if we would have rejected the terms, we would have officially been an invading army of a sovereign state. Iraq, much like Bush and Obama played the hand they were dealt.

He has a "hit list" on American citizens, which he has not denied when.asked(unconstitutional and illegal by the way).

He has a hit list, of which may include American citizens, as American citizens can do things to warrant putting them on a hit list. Its called a Disposition Matrix, and its how the security teams in the government assess potential threats, foreign and domestic.

Its like putting wanted "Dead or Alive" next to those entries on the FBI/NSA/CIA wanted lists.
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3/24/2016 3:08:05 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 1:49:41 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/24/2016 11:35:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:21:04 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:18:22 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/23/2016 8:26:46 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/23/2016 3:07:41 PM, Fly wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths.

Since politics isn't your strong suit, let me help:

There were 2 targets that day, one of which was a distraction. The US embassy was attacked with the intent to draw out any forces from the CIA safe house. With no orders to aid friendly resources, it became a cluster. Human nature is to of course help out your allies, and by spreading resources around a large field, fog of war sets in and assistance becomes harder to bring. The CIA safe house was struck by a homemade mortar. Twice. In the middle of the night. This came after the initial embassy attack. Ergo, what do you think the target was? Orders to "stand down" were actually to not rush off to do something stupid. Hence why "stand down" orders and their subsequent denial are made: the people getting stand down orders didn't have the bigger picture that was unfolding. Secondly, do you remember the date of that attack? Quite possibly other threats of higher priority were being tracked, and resources kept on standby to lend to other locales. Big picture, bro.


Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists.

Yes. That is the hazard of being related to the military, CIA, or diplomatic envoys in hostile territory. Presidents order people and let people die so as to not reveal other aspects of an agenda that are being worked. Its charming that you think global politics is a bloodless affair.

He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

Citation for some of that dependent, of course. If he is a Muslim, he is the words Muslim ever considering his practices, his wife, his diet, etc.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Bush isn't "my guy". He had his own faults. Obama was dealt the hand he was dealt, just like Bush, and he gets to own his like a big boy.

Bush was dealt a budgetary surplus and peace time military. Obama was dealt crashing economy, and multiple deployments of US troops in the mid east. Which played their hand better? Answer honestly.

He signed the Iran deal.

Yes. And?

He ordered a stand down at Benghazi.

No he didn't.

He pulled the troops out of Iraq without securing Iraq first. Once it became nonsecure, he never reacted.

Yes, he pulled out because the liberated Iraqis would not grant us a Status of Forces Agreement, effectively making our troops useless as defenders. An occupied Iraq was a political football for their elections, and should we have stayed under the Iraqi's offered terms, it removes certain immunities for our troops, and if we would have rejected the terms, we would have officially been an invading army of a sovereign state. Iraq, much like Bush and Obama played the hand they were dealt.

He has a "hit list" on American citizens, which he has not denied when.asked(unconstitutional and illegal by the way).

He has a hit list, of which may include American citizens, as American citizens can do things to warrant putting them on a hit list. Its called a Disposition Matrix, and its how the security teams in the government assess potential threats, foreign and domestic.

Its like putting wanted "Dead or Alive" next to those entries on the FBI/NSA/CIA wanted lists.

It would seem theology is not your strong point. In Islam maruna, taqiyya, tawriya and kitman are commands from Allah/Muhammed in how to espionage your enemy to its destruction likened to a shape shifting octopus or skin changing lizard. Islamforbids this and that and everything in between UNLESS...it is in jihad to protect or move forward the cause of Islam. One can lie to infidels(which is you by the way) to deceive them into a trap. One can conceal, disguise, or completely change one's identity in order to deceive, manipulate, destroy, or conquer the infidels. The 9/11 hijackers were going to bars,stripclubs, etc before the attacks. But why? This is "forbidden" via the Quran. Were the nondevout Muslims, hypocrites to their religion, phony Muslims? Nope. They were beyond devout and proved it when they willingly gave up their lives for Allah. But they cannot participate in alcohol or fornication as per the Quran...

But there are times that they are commanded to conceal identity, lie, become "like us" to destroy us. Think about it. He went to a school in Indonesia(the biggest Muslim country), and took Islamic classes. He knows the Shahada. He greets Arab countries in Arabic. He only speaks well of Islam. He loves Islam. He detaches all negative ideas away from Islam, and while he speaks "peace" ISIS is destroying on a path of destruction as he is comletely complacent to the Christian genocide, and would rather hang out with a ruthless dictator in Cuba and have a seemingly great time as Belgim mourns its dead...

He is destroying by peace. When you hold the most powerful military on Earth back as terrorists slaughter in bloodlust, you have shown where your loyalties lie.
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3/24/2016 3:19:32 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Try to convince me this guy is not a Muslim. He decided to convert? Why? He has nothing nice to say about Christians nor the Bible, yet speaks wonderfully about Islam never in reproach. Never. Why convert from a religion you think is so great? It's 100% illogical...

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3/24/2016 3:21:34 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
How does Obama speak about Christianity/Christ/the Bible? Let's check it out.

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3/24/2016 3:21:39 PM
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Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths.

Since politics isn't your strong suit, let me help:

There were 2 targets that day, one of which was a distraction. The US embassy was attacked with the intent to draw out any forces from the CIA safe house. With no orders to aid friendly resources, it became a cluster. Human nature is to of course help out your allies, and by spreading resources around a large field, fog of war sets in and assistance becomes harder to bring. The CIA safe house was struck by a homemade mortar. Twice. In the middle of the night. This came after the initial embassy attack. Ergo, what do you think the target was? Orders to "stand down" were actually to not rush off to do something stupid. Hence why "stand down" orders and their subsequent denial are made: the people getting stand down orders didn't have the bigger picture that was unfolding. Secondly, do you remember the date of that attack? Quite possibly other threats of higher priority were being tracked, and resources kept on standby to lend to other locales. Big picture, bro.


Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists.

Yes. That is the hazard of being related to the military, CIA, or diplomatic envoys in hostile territory. Presidents order people and let people die so as to not reveal other aspects of an agenda that are being worked. Its charming that you think global politics is a bloodless affair.

He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

Citation for some of that dependent, of course. If he is a Muslim, he is the words Muslim ever considering his practices, his wife, his diet, etc.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Bush isn't "my guy". He had his own faults. Obama was dealt the hand he was dealt, just like Bush, and he gets to own his like a big boy.

Bush was dealt a budgetary surplus and peace time military. Obama was dealt crashing economy, and multiple deployments of US troops in the mid east. Which played their hand better? Answer honestly.

He signed the Iran deal.

Yes. And?

He ordered a stand down at Benghazi.

No he didn't.

He pulled the troops out of Iraq without securing Iraq first. Once it became nonsecure, he never reacted.

Yes, he pulled out because the liberated Iraqis would not grant us a Status of Forces Agreement, effectively making our troops useless as defenders. An occupied Iraq was a political football for their elections, and should we have stayed under the Iraqi's offered terms, it removes certain immunities for our troops, and if we would have rejected the terms, we would have officially been an invading army of a sovereign state. Iraq, much like Bush and Obama played the hand they were dealt.

He has a "hit list" on American citizens, which he has not denied when.asked(unconstitutional and illegal by the way).

He has a hit list, of which may include American citizens, as American citizens can do things to warrant putting them on a hit list. Its called a Disposition Matrix, and its how the security teams in the government assess potential threats, foreign and domestic.

Its like putting wanted "Dead or Alive" next to those entries on the FBI/NSA/CIA wanted lists.

It would seem theology is not your strong point. In Islam maruna, taqiyya, tawriya and kitman are commands from Allah/Muhammed in how to espionage your enemy to its destruction likened to a shape shifting octopus or skin changing lizard. Islamforbids this and that and everything in between UNLESS...it is in jihad to protect or move forward the cause of Islam. One can lie to infidels(which is you by the way) to deceive them into a trap. One can conceal, disguise, or completely change one's identity in order to deceive, manipulate, destroy, or conquer the infidels. The 9/11 hijackers were going to bars,stripclubs, etc before the attacks. But why? This is "forbidden" via the Quran.

Sure. But then again, they were given a truck load of money, and were about to receive free passes to their virgins for martyring themselves. I think the "why" is no more complex than that. It didn't matter what they did wrong. They were about to die for Islam, and they knew that.

Were the nondevout Muslims, hypocrites to their religion, phony Muslims? Nope. They were beyond devout and proved it when they willingly gave up their lives for Allah. But they cannot participate in alcohol or fornication as per the Quran...

See previous.

But there are times that they are commanded to conceal identity, lie, become "like us" to destroy us. Think about it. He went to a school in Indonesia(the biggest Muslim country), and took Islamic classes. He knows the Shahada.

I promise you, Kim Jong-Un knows the words to God save the Queen. Wanna hazard a guess as to where he was educated?

He greets Arab countries in Arabic.

This is shocking, why?

He only speaks well of Islam.

Like most diplomats do.

He loves Islam. He detaches all negative ideas away from Islam,

Like most Diplomats do.

and while he speaks "peace" ISIS is destroying on a path of destruction as he is comletely complacent to the Christian genocide,

Complacent, continuing airstrikes, whatever.

and would rather hang out with a ruthless dictator in Cuba and have a seemingly great time as Belgim mourns its dead...

So its your opinion that world leaders should drop everything and travel to where a terrorist attacks? Step up to the mic and say how that doesn't immediately give the attackers what they wanted.

He is destroying by peace. When you hold the most powerful military on Earth back as terrorists slaughter in bloodlust, you have shown where your loyalties lie.

That would be true of all militaries everywhere, then. What do you think of Russia slowing their operations? and France? and the UK?

What does violence beget, my dearest na"ve friend?
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3/24/2016 3:31:57 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:21:39 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths.

Since politics isn't your strong suit, let me help:

There were 2 targets that day, one of which was a distraction. The US embassy was attacked with the intent to draw out any forces from the CIA safe house. With no orders to aid friendly resources, it became a cluster. Human nature is to of course help out your allies, and by spreading resources around a large field, fog of war sets in and assistance becomes harder to bring. The CIA safe house was struck by a homemade mortar. Twice. In the middle of the night. This came after the initial embassy attack. Ergo, what do you think the target was? Orders to "stand down" were actually to not rush off to do something stupid. Hence why "stand down" orders and their subsequent denial are made: the people getting stand down orders didn't have the bigger picture that was unfolding. Secondly, do you remember the date of that attack? Quite possibly other threats of higher priority were being tracked, and resources kept on standby to lend to other locales. Big picture, bro.


Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists.

Yes. That is the hazard of being related to the military, CIA, or diplomatic envoys in hostile territory. Presidents order people and let people die so as to not reveal other aspects of an agenda that are being worked. Its charming that you think global politics is a bloodless affair.

He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

Citation for some of that dependent, of course. If he is a Muslim, he is the words Muslim ever considering his practices, his wife, his diet, etc.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Bush isn't "my guy". He had his own faults. Obama was dealt the hand he was dealt, just like Bush, and he gets to own his like a big boy.

Bush was dealt a budgetary surplus and peace time military. Obama was dealt crashing economy, and multiple deployments of US troops in the mid east. Which played their hand better? Answer honestly.

He signed the Iran deal.

Yes. And?

He ordered a stand down at Benghazi.

No he didn't.

He pulled the troops out of Iraq without securing Iraq first. Once it became nonsecure, he never reacted.

Yes, he pulled out because the liberated Iraqis would not grant us a Status of Forces Agreement, effectively making our troops useless as defenders. An occupied Iraq was a political football for their elections, and should we have stayed under the Iraqi's offered terms, it removes certain immunities for our troops, and if we would have rejected the terms, we would have officially been an invading army of a sovereign state. Iraq, much like Bush and Obama played the hand they were dealt.

He has a "hit list" on American citizens, which he has not denied when.asked(unconstitutional and illegal by the way).

He has a hit list, of which may include American citizens, as American citizens can do things to warrant putting them on a hit list. Its called a Disposition Matrix, and its how the security teams in the government assess potential threats, foreign and domestic.

Its like putting wanted "Dead or Alive" next to those entries on the FBI/NSA/CIA wanted lists.

It would seem theology is not your strong point. In Islam maruna, taqiyya, tawriya and kitman are commands from Allah/Muhammed in how to espionage your enemy to its destruction likened to a shape shifting octopus or skin changing lizard. Islamforbids this and that and everything in between UNLESS...it is in jihad to protect or move forward the cause of Islam. One can lie to infidels(which is you by the way) to deceive them into a trap. One can conceal, disguise, or completely change one's identity in order to deceive, manipulate, destroy, or conquer the infidels. The 9/11 hijackers were going to bars,stripclubs, etc before the attacks. But why? This is "forbidden" via the Quran.

Sure. But then again, they were given a truck load of money, and were about to receive free passes to their virgins for martyring themselves. I think the "why" is no more complex than that. It didn't matter what they did wrong. They were about to die for Islam, and they knew that.


Were the nondevout Muslims, hypocrites to their religion, phony Muslims? Nope. They were beyond devout and proved it when they willingly gave up their lives for Allah. But they cannot participate in alcohol or fornication as per the Quran...

See previous.

But there are times that they are commanded to conceal identity, lie, become "like us" to destroy us. Think about it. He went to a school in Indonesia(the biggest Muslim country), and took Islamic classes. He knows the Shahada.

I promise you, Kim Jong-Un knows the words to God save the Queen. Wanna hazard a guess as to where he was educated?

He greets Arab countries in Arabic.

This is shocking, why?

He only speaks well of Islam.

Like most diplomats do.

He loves Islam. He detaches all negative ideas away from Islam,

Like most Diplomats do.

and while he speaks "peace" ISIS is destroying on a path of destruction as he is comletely complacent to the Christian genocide,

Complacent, continuing airstrikes, whatever.

and would rather hang out with a ruthless dictator in Cuba and have a seemingly great time as Belgim mourns its dead...

So its your opinion that world leaders should drop everything and travel to where a terrorist attacks? Step up to the mic and say how that doesn't immediately give the attackers what they wanted.

He is destroying by peace. When you hold the most powerful military on Earth back as terrorists slaughter in bloodlust, you have shown where your loyalties lie.

That would be true of all militaries everywhere, then. What do you think of Russia slowing their operations? and France? and the UK?

What does violence beget, my dearest na"ve friend?

What does violence begat? It's not black and white as you seem to perecive reality. In boxing violence begats a knockout, a victory, complete physical and mental submission by the opponent.
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3/24/2016 3:36:03 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:31:57 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:21:39 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths.

Since politics isn't your strong suit, let me help:

There were 2 targets that day, one of which was a distraction. The US embassy was attacked with the intent to draw out any forces from the CIA safe house. With no orders to aid friendly resources, it became a cluster. Human nature is to of course help out your allies, and by spreading resources around a large field, fog of war sets in and assistance becomes harder to bring. The CIA safe house was struck by a homemade mortar. Twice. In the middle of the night. This came after the initial embassy attack. Ergo, what do you think the target was? Orders to "stand down" were actually to not rush off to do something stupid. Hence why "stand down" orders and their subsequent denial are made: the people getting stand down orders didn't have the bigger picture that was unfolding. Secondly, do you remember the date of that attack? Quite possibly other threats of higher priority were being tracked, and resources kept on standby to lend to other locales. Big picture, bro.


Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists.

Yes. That is the hazard of being related to the military, CIA, or diplomatic envoys in hostile territory. Presidents order people and let people die so as to not reveal other aspects of an agenda that are being worked. Its charming that you think global politics is a bloodless affair.

He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

Citation for some of that dependent, of course. If he is a Muslim, he is the words Muslim ever considering his practices, his wife, his diet, etc.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Bush isn't "my guy". He had his own faults. Obama was dealt the hand he was dealt, just like Bush, and he gets to own his like a big boy.

Bush was dealt a budgetary surplus and peace time military. Obama was dealt crashing economy, and multiple deployments of US troops in the mid east. Which played their hand better? Answer honestly.

He signed the Iran deal.

Yes. And?

He ordered a stand down at Benghazi.

No he didn't.

He pulled the troops out of Iraq without securing Iraq first. Once it became nonsecure, he never reacted.

Yes, he pulled out because the liberated Iraqis would not grant us a Status of Forces Agreement, effectively making our troops useless as defenders. An occupied Iraq was a political football for their elections, and should we have stayed under the Iraqi's offered terms, it removes certain immunities for our troops, and if we would have rejected the terms, we would have officially been an invading army of a sovereign state. Iraq, much like Bush and Obama played the hand they were dealt.

He has a "hit list" on American citizens, which he has not denied when.asked(unconstitutional and illegal by the way).

He has a hit list, of which may include American citizens, as American citizens can do things to warrant putting them on a hit list. Its called a Disposition Matrix, and its how the security teams in the government assess potential threats, foreign and domestic.

Its like putting wanted "Dead or Alive" next to those entries on the FBI/NSA/CIA wanted lists.

It would seem theology is not your strong point. In Islam maruna, taqiyya, tawriya and kitman are commands from Allah/Muhammed in how to espionage your enemy to its destruction likened to a shape shifting octopus or skin changing lizard. Islamforbids this and that and everything in between UNLESS...it is in jihad to protect or move forward the cause of Islam. One can lie to infidels(which is you by the way) to deceive them into a trap. One can conceal, disguise, or completely change one's identity in order to deceive, manipulate, destroy, or conquer the infidels. The 9/11 hijackers were going to bars,stripclubs, etc before the attacks. But why? This is "forbidden" via the Quran.

Sure. But then again, they were given a truck load of money, and were about to receive free passes to their virgins for martyring themselves. I think the "why" is no more complex than that. It didn't matter what they did wrong. They were about to die for Islam, and they knew that.


Were the nondevout Muslims, hypocrites to their religion, phony Muslims? Nope. They were beyond devout and proved it when they willingly gave up their lives for Allah. But they cannot participate in alcohol or fornication as per the Quran...

See previous.

But there are times that they are commanded to conceal identity, lie, become "like us" to destroy us. Think about it. He went to a school in Indonesia(the biggest Muslim country), and took Islamic classes. He knows the Shahada.

I promise you, Kim Jong-Un knows the words to God save the Queen. Wanna hazard a guess as to where he was educated?

He greets Arab countries in Arabic.

This is shocking, why?

He only speaks well of Islam.

Like most diplomats do.

He loves Islam. He detaches all negative ideas away from Islam,

Like most Diplomats do.

and while he speaks "peace" ISIS is destroying on a path of destruction as he is comletely complacent to the Christian genocide,

Complacent, continuing airstrikes, whatever.

and would rather hang out with a ruthless dictator in Cuba and have a seemingly great time as Belgim mourns its dead...

So its your opinion that world leaders should drop everything and travel to where a terrorist attacks? Step up to the mic and say how that doesn't immediately give the attackers what they wanted.

He is destroying by peace. When you hold the most powerful military on Earth back as terrorists slaughter in bloodlust, you have shown where your loyalties lie.

That would be true of all militaries everywhere, then. What do you think of Russia slowing their operations? and France? and the UK?

What does violence beget, my dearest na"ve friend?

What does violence begat? It's not black and white as you seem to perecive reality. In boxing

Boxing is a sport.
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3/24/2016 3:39:04 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:21:39 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths.

Since politics isn't your strong suit, let me help:

There were 2 targets that day, one of which was a distraction. The US embassy was attacked with the intent to draw out any forces from the CIA safe house. With no orders to aid friendly resources, it became a cluster. Human nature is to of course help out your allies, and by spreading resources around a large field, fog of war sets in and assistance becomes harder to bring. The CIA safe house was struck by a homemade mortar. Twice. In the middle of the night. This came after the initial embassy attack. Ergo, what do you think the target was? Orders to "stand down" were actually to not rush off to do something stupid. Hence why "stand down" orders and their subsequent denial are made: the people getting stand down orders didn't have the bigger picture that was unfolding. Secondly, do you remember the date of that attack? Quite possibly other threats of higher priority were being tracked, and resources kept on standby to lend to other locales. Big picture, bro.


Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists.

Yes. That is the hazard of being related to the military, CIA, or diplomatic envoys in hostile territory. Presidents order people and let people die so as to not reveal other aspects of an agenda that are being worked. Its charming that you think global politics is a bloodless affair.

He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

Citation for some of that dependent, of course. If he is a Muslim, he is the words Muslim ever considering his practices, his wife, his diet, etc.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Bush isn't "my guy". He had his own faults. Obama was dealt the hand he was dealt, just like Bush, and he gets to own his like a big boy.

Bush was dealt a budgetary surplus and peace time military. Obama was dealt crashing economy, and multiple deployments of US troops in the mid east. Which played their hand better? Answer honestly.

He signed the Iran deal.

Yes. And?

He ordered a stand down at Benghazi.

No he didn't.

He pulled the troops out of Iraq without securing Iraq first. Once it became nonsecure, he never reacted.

Yes, he pulled out because the liberated Iraqis would not grant us a Status of Forces Agreement, effectively making our troops useless as defenders. An occupied Iraq was a political football for their elections, and should we have stayed under the Iraqi's offered terms, it removes certain immunities for our troops, and if we would have rejected the terms, we would have officially been an invading army of a sovereign state. Iraq, much like Bush and Obama played the hand they were dealt.

He has a "hit list" on American citizens, which he has not denied when.asked(unconstitutional and illegal by the way).

He has a hit list, of which may include American citizens, as American citizens can do things to warrant putting them on a hit list. Its called a Disposition Matrix, and its how the security teams in the government assess potential threats, foreign and domestic.

Its like putting wanted "Dead or Alive" next to those entries on the FBI/NSA/CIA wanted lists.

It would seem theology is not your strong point. In Islam maruna, taqiyya, tawriya and kitman are commands from Allah/Muhammed in how to espionage your enemy to its destruction likened to a shape shifting octopus or skin changing lizard. Islamforbids this and that and everything in between UNLESS...it is in jihad to protect or move forward the cause of Islam. One can lie to infidels(which is you by the way) to deceive them into a trap. One can conceal, disguise, or completely change one's identity in order to deceive, manipulate, destroy, or conquer the infidels. The 9/11 hijackers were going to bars,stripclubs, etc before the attacks. But why? This is "forbidden" via the Quran.

Sure. But then again, they were given a truck load of money, and were about to receive free passes to their virgins for martyring themselves. I think the "why" is no more complex than that. It didn't matter what they did wrong. They were about to die for Islam, and they knew that.


Were the nondevout Muslims, hypocrites to their religion, phony Muslims? Nope. They were beyond devout and proved it when they willingly gave up their lives for Allah. But they cannot participate in alcohol or fornication as per the Quran...

See previous.

But there are times that they are commanded to conceal identity, lie, become "like us" to destroy us. Think about it. He went to a school in Indonesia(the biggest Muslim country), and took Islamic classes. He knows the Shahada.

I promise you, Kim Jong-Un knows the words to God save the Queen. Wanna hazard a guess as to where he was educated?

He greets Arab countries in Arabic.

This is shocking, why?

He only speaks well of Islam.

Like most diplomats do.

He loves Islam. He detaches all negative ideas away from Islam,

Like most Diplomats do.

and while he speaks "peace" ISIS is destroying on a path of destruction as he is comletely complacent to the Christian genocide,

Complacent, continuing airstrikes, whatever.

and would rather hang out with a ruthless dictator in Cuba and have a seemingly great time as Belgim mourns its dead...

So its your opinion that world leaders should drop everything and travel to where a terrorist attacks? Step up to the mic and say how that doesn't immediately give the attackers what they wanted.

He is destroying by peace. When you hold the most powerful military on Earth back as terrorists slaughter in bloodlust, you have shown where your loyalties lie.

That would be true of all militaries everywhere, then. What do you think of Russia slowing their operations? and France? and the UK?

What does violence beget, my dearest na"ve friend?

We have no idea what he is airstriking nor how much, or how he even knows who is what. We do know he has a kill list consisting of American citizens. We also know ISIS had been on a string of terror for quite a while as he referred to them as the "JV team". Mind you, he says not to label them as "Islamic(despite Islamic being in their actual name) for fwar of violence. So....he thought calling them the "JV team" would not piss them off? It had nothing to do with any such thing. It was to have an excuse to buy them time. Violence and civil war and ISIS had been ongoing long before U.S. "intervention". He got involved because Russia got involved. Russia forced his hand to move. He had egg on his face. Or did he? Nope. It was all planned this way.
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3/24/2016 3:44:15 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:36:03 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:31:57 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:21:39 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths.

Since politics isn't your strong suit, let me help:

There were 2 targets that day, one of which was a distraction. The US embassy was attacked with the intent to draw out any forces from the CIA safe house. With no orders to aid friendly resources, it became a cluster. Human nature is to of course help out your allies, and by spreading resources around a large field, fog of war sets in and assistance becomes harder to bring. The CIA safe house was struck by a homemade mortar. Twice. In the middle of the night. This came after the initial embassy attack. Ergo, what do you think the target was? Orders to "stand down" were actually to not rush off to do something stupid. Hence why "stand down" orders and their subsequent denial are made: the people getting stand down orders didn't have the bigger picture that was unfolding. Secondly, do you remember the date of that attack? Quite possibly other threats of higher priority were being tracked, and resources kept on standby to lend to other locales. Big picture, bro.


Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists.

Yes. That is the hazard of being related to the military, CIA, or diplomatic envoys in hostile territory. Presidents order people and let people die so as to not reveal other aspects of an agenda that are being worked. Its charming that you think global politics is a bloodless affair.

He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

Citation for some of that dependent, of course. If he is a Muslim, he is the words Muslim ever considering his practices, his wife, his diet, etc.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Bush isn't "my guy". He had his own faults. Obama was dealt the hand he was dealt, just like Bush, and he gets to own his like a big boy.

Bush was dealt a budgetary surplus and peace time military. Obama was dealt crashing economy, and multiple deployments of US troops in the mid east. Which played their hand better? Answer honestly.

He signed the Iran deal.

Yes. And?

He ordered a stand down at Benghazi.

No he didn't.

He pulled the troops out of Iraq without securing Iraq first. Once it became nonsecure, he never reacted.

Yes, he pulled out because the liberated Iraqis would not grant us a Status of Forces Agreement, effectively making our troops useless as defenders. An occupied Iraq was a political football for their elections, and should we have stayed under the Iraqi's offered terms, it removes certain immunities for our troops, and if we would have rejected the terms, we would have officially been an invading army of a sovereign state. Iraq, much like Bush and Obama played the hand they were dealt.

He has a "hit list" on American citizens, which he has not denied when.asked(unconstitutional and illegal by the way).

He has a hit list, of which may include American citizens, as American citizens can do things to warrant putting them on a hit list. Its called a Disposition Matrix, and its how the security teams in the government assess potential threats, foreign and domestic.

Its like putting wanted "Dead or Alive" next to those entries on the FBI/NSA/CIA wanted lists.

It would seem theology is not your strong point. In Islam maruna, taqiyya, tawriya and kitman are commands from Allah/Muhammed in how to espionage your enemy to its destruction likened to a shape shifting octopus or skin changing lizard. Islamforbids this and that and everything in between UNLESS...it is in jihad to protect or move forward the cause of Islam. One can lie to infidels(which is you by the way) to deceive them into a trap. One can conceal, disguise, or completely change one's identity in order to deceive, manipulate, destroy, or conquer the infidels. The 9/11 hijackers were going to bars,stripclubs, etc before the attacks. But why? This is "forbidden" via the Quran.

Sure. But then again, they were given a truck load of money, and were about to receive free passes to their virgins for martyring themselves. I think the "why" is no more complex than that. It didn't matter what they did wrong. They were about to die for Islam, and they knew that.


Were the nondevout Muslims, hypocrites to their religion, phony Muslims? Nope. They were beyond devout and proved it when they willingly gave up their lives for Allah. But they cannot participate in alcohol or fornication as per the Quran...

See previous.

But there are times that they are commanded to conceal identity, lie, become "like us" to destroy us. Think about it. He went to a school in Indonesia(the biggest Muslim country), and took Islamic classes. He knows the Shahada.

I promise you, Kim Jong-Un knows the words to God save the Queen. Wanna hazard a guess as to where he was educated?

He greets Arab countries in Arabic.

This is shocking, why?

He only speaks well of Islam.

Like most diplomats do.

He loves Islam. He detaches all negative ideas away from Islam,

Like most Diplomats do.

and while he speaks "peace" ISIS is destroying on a path of destruction as he is comletely complacent to the Christian genocide,

Complacent, continuing airstrikes, whatever.

and would rather hang out with a ruthless dictator in Cuba and have a seemingly great time as Belgim mourns its dead...

So its your opinion that world leaders should drop everything and travel to where a terrorist attacks? Step up to the mic and say how that doesn't immediately give the attackers what they wanted.

He is destroying by peace. When you hold the most powerful military on Earth back as terrorists slaughter in bloodlust, you have shown where your loyalties lie.

That would be true of all militaries everywhere, then. What do you think of Russia slowing their operations? and France? and the UK?



What does violence begat? It's not black and white as you seem to perecive reality. In boxing

Boxing is a sport.

More specifically a violent sport in which you must fight and you must find a way to punish, destroy, demoralize, and find victory through violence.

Notice how anti-Trump rioters do to try and obtain victory. Violence. Yelling. Scream
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3/24/2016 3:55:00 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
There ...priority were being tracked, and resources kept on standby to lend to other locales. Big picture, bro.


Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists.

Yes. That is the hazard of being related to the military, CIA, or diplomatic envoys in hostile territory. Presidents order people and let people die so as to not reveal other aspects of an agenda that are being worked. Its charming that you think global politics is a bloodless affair.

He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

Citation for some of that dependent, of course. If he is a Muslim, he is the words Muslim ever considering his practices, his wife, his diet, etc.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Bush isn't "my guy". He had his own faults. Obama was dealt the hand he was dealt, just like Bush, and he gets to own his like a big boy.

Bush was dealt a budgetary surplus and peace time military. Obama was dealt crashing economy, and multiple deployments of US troops in the mid east. Which played their hand better? Answer honestly.

He signed the Iran deal.

Yes. And?

He ordered a stand down at Benghazi.

No he didn't.

He pulled the troops out of Iraq without securing Iraq first. Once it became nonsecure, he never reacted.

Yes, he pulled out because the liberated Iraqis would not grant us a Status of Forces Agreement, effectively making our troops useless as defenders. An occupied Iraq was a political football for their elections, and should we have stayed under the Iraqi's offered terms, it removes certain immunities for our troops, and if we would have rejected the terms, we would have officially been an invading army of a sovereign state. Iraq, much like Bush and Obama played the hand they were dealt.

He has a "hit list" on American citizens, which he has not denied when.asked(unconstitutional and illegal by the way).

He has a hit list, of which may include American citizens, as American citizens can do things to warrant putting them on a hit list. Its called a Disposition Matrix, and its how the security teams in the government assess potential threats, foreign and domestic.

Its like putting wanted "Dead or Alive" next to those entries on the FBI/NSA/CIA wanted lists.

It would seem theology is not your strong point. In Islam maruna, taqiyya, tawriya and kitman are commands from Allah/Muhammed in how to espionage your enemy to its destruction likened to a shape shifting octopus or skin changing lizard. Islamforbids this and that and everything in between UNLESS...it is in jihad to protect or move forward the cause of Islam. One can lie to infidels(which is you by the way) to deceive them into a trap. One can conceal, disguise, or completely change one's identity in order to deceive, manipulate, destroy, or conquer the infidels. The 9/11 hijackers were going to bars,stripclubs, etc before the attacks. But why? This is "forbidden" via the Quran.

Sure. But then again, they were given a truck load of money, and were about to receive free passes to their virgins for martyring themselves. I think the "why" is no more complex than that. It didn't matter what they did wrong. They were about to die for Islam, and they knew that.


Were the nondevout Muslims, hypocrites to their religion, phony Muslims? Nope. They were beyond devout and proved it when they willingly gave up their lives for Allah. But they cannot participate in alcohol or fornication as per the Quran...

See previous.

But there are times that they are commanded to conceal identity, lie, become "like us" to destroy us. Think about it. He went to a school in Indonesia(the biggest Muslim country), and took Islamic classes. He knows the Shahada.

I promise you, Kim Jong-Un knows the words to God save the Queen. Wanna hazard a guess as to where he was educated?

He greets Arab countries in Arabic.

This is shocking, why?

He only speaks well of Islam.

Like most diplomats do.

He loves Islam. He detaches all negative ideas away from Islam,

Like most Diplomats do.

and while he speaks "peace" ISIS is destroying on a path of destruction as he is comletely complacent to the Christian genocide,

Complacent, continuing airstrikes, whatever.

and would rather hang out with a ruthless dictator in Cuba and have a seemingly great time as Belgim mourns its dead...

So its your opinion that world leaders should drop everything and travel to where a terrorist attacks? Step up to the mic and say how that doesn't immediately give the attackers what they wanted.

He is destroying by peace. When you hold the most powerful military on Earth back as terrorists slaughter in bloodlust, you have shown where your loyalties lie.

That would be true of all militaries everywhere, then. What do you think of Russia slowing their operations? and France? and the UK?

What does violence beget, my dearest na"ve friend?

We have no idea what he is airstriking nor how much, or how he even knows who is what.

So you admit you are ignorant of something, but complain anyways.

We do know he has a kill list consisting of American citizens.

Because indeed, American citizens can get themselves on such a list by doing things un-American.

We also know ISIS had been on a string of terror for quite a while as he referred to them as the "JV team".

Because they are. Poorly funded, poorly equipped, out tech'ed on every front, NO airpower what so ever, no Navy, no armored divisions...

((waiting on the continue))
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3/24/2016 3:56:32 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
He greets Arab countries in Arabic.

"This is shocking, why?"

Name another Western leader that greets Arabs in their native tongue....
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3/24/2016 3:58:56 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:21:39 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope you're kidding. There was no "ISIS" until he moved U.S. troops out of the region. He let rebels and extremists murder each other for years without ever lifting a finger. Then Russia came in to protect Assad from rebels and terrorists while the U.S. backed anyone that was anti Russia(ISIS, rebels).

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths.

Since politics isn't your strong suit, let me help:

There were 2 targets that day, one of which was a distraction. The US embassy was attacked with the intent to draw out any forces from the CIA safe house. With no orders to aid friendly resources, it became a cluster. Human nature is to of course help out your allies, and by spreading resources around a large field, fog of war sets in and assistance becomes harder to bring. The CIA safe house was struck by a homemade mortar. Twice. In the middle of the night. This came after the initial embassy attack. Ergo, what do you think the target was? Orders to "stand down" were actually to not rush off to do something stupid. Hence why "stand down" orders and their subsequent denial are made: the people getting stand down orders didn't have the bigger picture that was unfolding. Secondly, do you remember the date of that attack? Quite possibly other threats of higher priority were being tracked, and resources kept on standby to lend to other locales. Big picture, bro.


Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists.

Yes. That is the hazard of being related to the military, CIA, or diplomatic envoys in hostile territory. Presidents order people and let people die so as to not reveal other aspects of an agenda that are being worked. Its charming that you think global politics is a bloodless affair.

He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

Citation for some of that dependent, of course. If he is a Muslim, he is the words Muslim ever considering his practices, his wife, his diet, etc.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Bush isn't "my guy". He had his own faults. Obama was dealt the hand he was dealt, just like Bush, and he gets to own his like a big boy.

Bush was dealt a budgetary surplus and peace time military. Obama was dealt crashing economy, and multiple deployments of US troops in the mid east. Which played their hand better? Answer honestly.

He signed the Iran deal.

Yes. And?

He ordered a stand down at Benghazi.

No he didn't.

He pulled the troops out of Iraq without securing Iraq first. Once it became nonsecure, he never reacted.

Yes, he pulled out because the liberated Iraqis would not grant us a Status of Forces Agreement, effectively making our troops useless as defenders. An occupied Iraq was a political football for their elections, and should we have stayed under the Iraqi's offered terms, it removes certain immunities for our troops, and if we would have rejected the terms, we would have officially been an invading army of a sovereign state. Iraq, much like Bush and Obama played the hand they were dealt.

He has a "hit list" on American citizens, which he has not denied when.asked(unconstitutional and illegal by the way).

He has a hit list, of which may include American citizens, as American citizens can do things to warrant putting them on a hit list. Its called a Disposition Matrix, and its how the security teams in the government assess potential threats, foreign and domestic.

Its like putting wanted "Dead or Alive" next to those entries on the FBI/NSA/CIA wanted lists.

It would seem theology is not your strong point. In Islam maruna, taqiyya, tawriya and kitman are commands from Allah/Muhammed in how to espionage your enemy to its destruction likened to a shape shifting octopus or skin changing lizard. Islamforbids this and that and everything in between UNLESS...it is in jihad to protect or move forward the cause of Islam. One can lie to infidels(which is you by the way) to deceive them into a trap. One can conceal, disguise, or completely change one's identity in order to deceive, manipulate, destroy, or conquer the infidels. The 9/11 hijackers were going to bars,stripclubs, etc before the attacks. But why? This is "forbidden" via the Quran.

Sure. But then again, they were given a truck load of money, and were about to receive free passes to their virgins for martyring themselves. I think the "why" is no more complex than that. It didn't matter what they did wrong. They were about to die for Islam, and they knew that.


Were the nondevout Muslims, hypocrites to their religion, phony Muslims? Nope. They were beyond devout and proved it when they willingly gave up their lives for Allah. But they cannot participate in alcohol or fornication as per the Quran...

See previous.

But there are times that they are commanded to conceal identity, lie, become "like us" to destroy us. Think about it. He went to a school in Indonesia(the biggest Muslim country), and took Islamic classes. He knows the Shahada.

I promise you, Kim Jong-Un knows the words to God save the Queen. Wanna hazard a guess as to where he was educated?

He greets Arab countries in Arabic.

This is shocking, why?

He only speaks well of Islam.

Like most diplomats do.

He loves Islam. He detaches all negative ideas away from Islam,

Like most Diplomats do.

and while he speaks "peace" ISIS is destroying on a path of destruction as he is comletely complacent to the Christian genocide,

Complacent, continuing airstrikes, whatever.

and would rather hang out with a ruthless dictator in Cuba and have a seemingly great time as Belgim mourns its dead...

So its your opinion that world leaders should drop everything and travel to where a terrorist attacks? Step up to the mic and say how that doesn't immediately give the attackers what they wanted.

He is destroying by peace. When you hold the most powerful military on Earth back as terrorists slaughter in bloodlust, you have shown where your loyalties lie.

That would be true of all militaries everywhere, then. What do you think of Russia slowing their operations? and France? and the UK?

What does violence beget, my dearest na"ve friend?

Kim Jong Ung was not educated. He is divine, sleeps in a glass box, and invented the color green. Ask him.
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3/24/2016 3:59:25 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Ignore the Islamism to terror connection by day, kill Islamists by night...

I hope...

And...as a final insult CIA agents were attacked by Islamic terrorists, met protocal, asked for help from U.S. military near the area, and Obama gave the command to "stand down", of which they wete in an 8 hour gun battle ending in 4 CIA deaths.

Since politics isn't your strong suit, let me help:

There were ..., do you remember the date of that attack? Quite possibly other threats of higher priority were being tracked, and resources kept on standby to lend to other locales. Big picture, bro.


Obama left agents to die in the hands of Islamists.

Yes. That is the hazard of being related to the military, CIA, or diplomatic envoys in hostile territory. Presidents order people and let people die so as to not reveal other aspects of an agenda that are being worked. Its charming that you think global politics is a bloodless affair.

He knows the Shahada, claims he "prays 5 times a day", has Muslim clerics pray before congress sessions, and knows the Call of the Azan. Come on now fly.

Citation for some of that dependent, of course. If he is a Muslim, he is the words Muslim ever considering his practices, his wife, his diet, etc.

There was no nothing if the U.S didn't enter Iraq in the first place.

They don't want their guy to share in the collective blame like that... and don't mention that Obama was honoring the treaty Bush had signed with Iraq...

Bush isn't "my guy". He had his own faults. Obama was dealt the hand he was dealt, just like Bush, and he gets to own his like a big boy.

Bush was dealt a budgetary surplus and peace time military. Obama was dealt crashing economy, and multiple deployments of US troops in the mid east. Which played their hand better? Answer honestly.

He signed the Iran deal.

Yes. And?

He ordered a stand down at Benghazi.

No he didn't.

He pulled the troops out of Iraq without securing Iraq first. Once it became nonsecure, he never reacted.

Yes, he pulled out because the liberated Iraqis would not grant us a Status of Forces Agreement, effectively making our troops useless as defenders. An occupied Iraq was a political football for their elections, and should we have stayed under the Iraqi's offered terms, it removes certain immunities for our troops, and if we would have rejected the terms, we would have officially been an invading army of a sovereign state. Iraq, much like Bush and Obama played the hand they were dealt.

He has a "hit list" on American citizens, which he has not denied when.asked(unconstitutional and illegal by the way).

He has a hit list, of which may include American citizens, as American citizens can do things to warrant putting them on a hit list. Its called a Disposition Matrix, and its how the security teams in the government assess potential threats, foreign and domestic.

Its like putting wanted "Dead or Alive" next to those entries on the FBI/NSA/CIA wanted lists.

It would seem theology is not your strong point. In Islam maruna, taqiyya, tawriya and kitman are commands from Allah/Muhammed in how to espionage your enemy to its destruction likened to a shape shifting octopus or skin changing lizard. Islamforbids this and that and everything in between UNLESS...it is in jihad to protect or move forward the cause of Islam. One can lie to infidels(which is you by the way) to deceive them into a trap. One can conceal, disguise, or completely change one's identity in order to deceive, manipulate, destroy, or conquer the infidels. The 9/11 hijackers were going to bars,stripclubs, etc before the attacks. But why? This is "forbidden" via the Quran.

Sure. But then again, they were given a truck load of money, and were about to receive free passes to their virgins for martyring themselves. I think the "why" is no more complex than that. It didn't matter what they did wrong. They were about to die for Islam, and they knew that.


Were the nondevout Muslims, hypocrites to their religion, phony Muslims? Nope. They were beyond devout and proved it when they willingly gave up their lives for Allah. But they cannot participate in alcohol or fornication as per the Quran...

See previous.

But there are times that they are commanded to conceal identity, lie, become "like us" to destroy us. Think about it. He went to a school in Indonesia(the biggest Muslim country), and took Islamic classes. He knows the Shahada.

I promise you, Kim Jong-Un knows the words to God save the Queen. Wanna hazard a guess as to where he was educated?

He greets Arab countries in Arabic.

This is shocking, why?

He only speaks well of Islam.

Like most diplomats do.

He loves Islam. He detaches all negative ideas away from Islam,

Like most Diplomats do.

and while he speaks "peace" ISIS is destroying on a path of destruction as he is comletely complacent to the Christian genocide,

Complacent, continuing airstrikes, whatever.

and would rather hang out with a ruthless dictator in Cuba and have a seemingly great time as Belgim mourns its dead...

So its your opinion that world leaders should drop everything and travel to where a terrorist attacks? Step up to the mic and say how that doesn't immediately give the attackers what they wanted.

He is destroying by peace. When you hold the most powerful military on Earth back as terrorists slaughter in bloodlust, you have shown where your loyalties lie.

That would be true of all militaries everywhere, then. What do you think of Russia slowing their operations? and France? and the UK?



What does violence begat? It's not black and white as you seem to perecive reality. In boxing

Boxing is a sport.

More specifically a violent sport in which you must fight and you must find a way to punish, destroy...

blah blah blah, the fighters still get back in the ring.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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3/24/2016 4:15:35 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
He only speaks well of Islam.

"Like most diplomats do."

He loves Islam. He detaches all negative ideas away from Islam,

"Like most Diplomats do."

Oh? Let's check it out.

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Dutch politician, Geert Wilders

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Senator Ted Cruz-

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Ohio Governor, John Kasic-

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Ayaan Hirsi Ali, former member of Dutch Parliament, ex-Muslim

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Donald Trump-

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"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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