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Maikuru
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3/23/2016 6:33:20 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
White extremists have been deadlier to Americans than radical Islamists since 9/11.

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3/23/2016 6:56:08 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Radicals like ISIS and Al Qaeda certainly put the terror into terrorism and have almost masterfully manipulated the media to maximize people's fear and paranoia.

But in a practical sense, far right/white extremists are a much larger threat and are more likely of killing you, but people are too scared of them moose limbs to notice the numbers yet.
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3/23/2016 7:09:05 PM
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At 3/23/2016 6:56:08 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:

But in a practical sense, far right/white extremists are a much larger threat and are more likely of killing you, but people are too scared of them moose limbs to notice the numbers yet.

I think therein lies the problem. White terrorists are probably more likely to target black and brown Americans, so white Americans don't feel as threatened by it.
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3/23/2016 7:12:21 PM
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I think it's a combination of the people being targeted by white terrorists not being seen as "real" or "true" Americans, and white terrorists being framed as lone wolf mentally ill crazies who have nothing to do with other whites or white culture.
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3/23/2016 7:36:16 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/23/2016 6:33:20 PM, Maikuru wrote:
White extremists have been deadlier to Americans than radical Islamists since 9/11.

http://time.com...

http://usuncut.com...

Thoughts?

It's a false dichotomy. When a country is majority white and lees than 1% Muslim, which group do you think ate more peanuts in America? Whites. Which group went to the doctor more? Whites. Which group said the word,"yellow" more? Whites. Good lord.
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3/23/2016 7:38:45 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/23/2016 6:33:20 PM, Maikuru wrote:
White extremists have been deadlier to Americans than radical Islamists since 9/11.

http://time.com...

http://usuncut.com...

Thoughts?

Hmmmm. Let's think about it. Okay, in Pakistan(almost 100% Muslim), who commited more crime, Muslims or whites? Muslims? Whoda thunk it?
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3/23/2016 7:43:31 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Who beheaded, burned alive and/or shot more children last year, Boko Haram or the KKK? Boko Haram? Dang, this must mean the KKK is nondangerous. Logic....fail.
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3/23/2016 8:11:31 PM
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At 3/23/2016 7:36:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:

It's a false dichotomy. When a country is majority white and lees than 1% Muslim, which group do you think ate more peanuts in America? Whites. Which group went to the doctor more? Whites. Which group said the word,"yellow" more? Whites. Good lord.

Although we are talking about US victims, I don't think anyone suggested that the perpetrators of terrorism are only American. Worldwide, Muslims vastly outnumber you and Americans seem to be afraid of the worldwide threat.

Why would proportions in this case make something a bigger threat? Muslim terrorists also represent a tiny minority of Muslims.
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3/23/2016 8:13:16 PM
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At 3/23/2016 8:11:31 PM, lamerde wrote:
At 3/23/2016 7:36:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:

It's a false dichotomy. When a country is majority white and lees than 1% Muslim, which group do you think ate more peanuts in America? Whites. Which group went to the doctor more? Whites. Which group said the word,"yellow" more? Whites. Good lord.

Although we are talking about US victims, I don't think anyone suggested that the perpetrators of terrorism are only American. Worldwide, Muslims vastly outnumber you and Americans seem to be afraid of the worldwide threat.

Why would proportions in this case make something a bigger threat? Muslim terrorists also represent a tiny minority of Muslims.

Ever read the Quran or seen pew polls on Islam?
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3/23/2016 8:15:54 PM
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Here's you a snippet

http://worldmediamonitoring.com...
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3/23/2016 8:17:49 PM
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Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence?" That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists ever hurt anyone." Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.
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3/23/2016 8:41:32 PM
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At 3/23/2016 8:13:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:

Ever read the Quran or seen pew polls on Islam?

No, but I've read the Bible and I've seen some pretty horrible stuff in there.

I think we can both agree that religious texts have awful stuff written in them. My question was about your claim that proportions of white terrorists to white people in the U.S. make white terrorist less of a threat to Americans?
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3/23/2016 8:49:22 PM
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At 3/23/2016 6:33:20 PM, Maikuru wrote:
White extremists have been deadlier to Americans than radical Islamists since 9/11.

http://time.com...

http://usuncut.com...

Thoughts?

This sounds suspiciously like the claim "Bush kept us safe SINCE 9/11."

That said, I am for addressing ALL of the terrorist threats in their various forms. We humans have our pet biases as to which threat is scariest, of course...
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3/23/2016 8:49:42 PM
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At 3/23/2016 8:41:32 PM, lamerde wrote:
At 3/23/2016 8:13:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:

Ever read the Quran or seen pew polls on Islam?

No, but I've read the Bible and I've seen some pretty horrible stuff in there.

I think we can both agree that religious texts have awful stuff written in them. My question was about your claim that proportions of white terrorists to white people in the U.S. make white terrorist less of a threat to Americans?

There's a difference. Jesus in the NT, brought logic and sanity to the Judaistic religion. Moses said stone adulterers. Jesus said this was madness. Moses said no pork. Jesus ate pork. Etc etc. Christians don't look in Leviticus or Deuteronomy for ethical guidance. They look to Christ, hence the name, Christians. Islam has no New Testament or Jesus. They have the Quran, the Sunna, and the hadith, all documents of murder, conquest, rape, destruction, and how to destroy the infidel(which is you).
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3/23/2016 8:51:52 PM
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I think that Wahhabis and Salafists that conduct attacks tend to have better organization - but there just aren't many of them in comparison to other groups.
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3/23/2016 8:52:59 PM
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Yes, thank you very much NSA and DHS.
Had there been no DHS or NSA, however, Islamic terrorists would have a far, far, far higher death toll in the United States. They tend to not do much about preventing far-right terrorism, meaning that more white terrorists are successful. However, the total number of right-wing terrorists compared to the total number of Islamic terrorists (counting failed plots) is probably equal or slightly lower, and since 1995 there haven't been any far-right terrorists attempting any REALLY destructive; since 9/11, on the other hand, Islamic terrorists have tried and failed to blow up a tunnel and flood the NY Financial District, blow up a plane with over 200 people on board, bomb the Sears Tower, bomb the Brooklyn Bridge, etc.
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3/23/2016 8:55:44 PM
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Also, if we're looking solely at attacks with an ideological motive, you must exclude white mass murderers like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold as well as Adam Lanza.
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3/23/2016 9:01:35 PM
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At 3/23/2016 8:41:32 PM, lamerde wrote:
At 3/23/2016 8:13:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:

Ever read the Quran or seen pew polls on Islam?

No, but I've read the Bible and I've seen some pretty horrible stuff in there.

I think we can both agree that religious texts have awful stuff written in them. My question was about your claim that proportions of white terrorists to white people in the U.S. make white terrorist less of a threat to Americans?

All terrorism is a threat to the U.S. but white people didn't run planes into the World Trade Centers, Rape jihad Cologne, bomb Belgium airport, commit mass shootings in Paris and San Bernerdino, behead and burn alive children, bomb the Boston Marathon, commit the Fort Hood massacre, turn Sweden into the"rape capital of the world" or shoot a sitting police officer in Philadelphia, while screaming Alahu Akbar! Alahu Akbar! Alahu Akbar!" White terrorists tend to have a materialistic or political agenda. Islamofascist terrorists do it because "God told them to." White people do crazy things, as does every group, but this is a standing group nearly 2 billion strong that ideologically must hate infidels and kill them or atinimal support their brothers who do. Brothers to the bone. That's not a typical danger. That is a danger that brings down skyscrapers and targets girls schools and children, not for political or psychological deficiency, but is commanded ny God. That's the most dangerous mindset known to the world today. Muhammed, by making himself infallable kept 2 billion Muslims trapped in the mindset of the Arab desert in 600 AD.
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3/23/2016 9:05:40 PM
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At 3/23/2016 8:57:20 PM, lamerde wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org...

Worst far-right terror attack in American history--less than 170 deaths. Pre-9/11.
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3/23/2016 9:12:41 PM
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At 3/23/2016 9:05:40 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

Worst far-right terror attack in American history--less than 170 deaths. Pre-9/11.

Given that it's been 15 years since 9/11 and white terrorists have killed more Americans than any group since then, what would it take for white people to be the bigger threat? Or will the spectre of Muslims elsewhere always be the bigger threat to Americans?
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3/23/2016 9:40:00 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/23/2016 6:33:20 PM, Maikuru wrote:
White extremists have been deadlier to Americans than radical Islamists since 9/11.

http://time.com...

http://usuncut.com...

Thoughts?

This is exaclty what I have been trying to argue these past few weeks lol
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3/23/2016 9:42:57 PM
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At 3/23/2016 8:17:49 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence?" That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists ever hurt anyone." Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.

But a tiny minority of muslims are violent, the rest are peaceful. Saying the entire religion is violent because of the minority would be like saying all whites are violent because a minority of whites are violent white supremicists. Its idiotic
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3/23/2016 9:44:41 PM
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Both articles claim radical Islamic terrorists have killed only 26 people.

People killed at San Bernadino - 14
People killed at Ft. Hood - 13
Combined : 27

Both articles are wrong on their numbers off those two incidents alone. Those are the first two off the top of my head, but I really can't recall more.
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3/23/2016 9:46:42 PM
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At 3/23/2016 6:33:20 PM, Maikuru wrote:
White extremists have been deadlier to Americans than radical Islamists since 9/11.

http://time.com...

http://usuncut.com...

Thoughts?

Whites, it turns out, are absolutely terrible at terrorism. Lol, how ironic for the white supremacists.
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3/23/2016 10:01:16 PM
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At 3/23/2016 6:33:20 PM, Maikuru wrote:
White extremists have been deadlier to Americans than radical Islamists since 9/11.

http://time.com...

http://usuncut.com...

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that there are more jihadis arrested every year which kind of goes against what the article's point is? How does this get stopped, perhaps by the same individuals that are saying that it is fact that jihadis will infiltrate refugees and target the US. So, if we want the numbers to drastically shift to disprove the point of the article, perhaps we should listen to the experts that warn of such events taking place. They have kind of done a good job of stopping it as this article points out.
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3/23/2016 10:02:37 PM
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At 3/23/2016 6:56:08 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
Radicals like ISIS and Al Qaeda certainly put the terror into terrorism and have almost masterfully manipulated the media to maximize people's fear and paranoia.

But in a practical sense, far right/white extremists are a much larger threat and are more likely of killing you, but people are too scared of them moose limbs to notice the numbers yet.

The penguin gets it. Look, I know my dog (retired service dog that gets upset when it kills a mouse when poking it too hard) is a bigger statistical threat, but I still fear HIM more then my geriatric pointer (you know he is 'one of them').

I called and called Depot of Homeland Security, but do they help? No.... the penguin STILL is not in gitmo!
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3/24/2016 12:30:00 AM
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At 3/23/2016 9:12:41 PM, lamerde wrote:
At 3/23/2016 9:05:40 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

Worst far-right terror attack in American history--less than 170 deaths. Pre-9/11.

Given that it's been 15 years since 9/11 and white terrorists have killed more Americans than any group since then, what would it take for white people to be the bigger threat? Or will the spectre of Muslims elsewhere always be the bigger threat to Americans?

Approximately 1% of the population is Muslim. Whites comprised 63.7% of the population in 2010 (not counting Hispanics, who are not white). Given this, white extremists should comprise 63.7% of all terrorists and Muslims should comprise 1% of terrorists. But we all know this isn't the case. 48 victims of whites compared to 26 victims to Muslims; white terrorists don't even have double the number of victims, much less 63.7 times the number of victims.
Given that there are far more whites it's only natural that they'd comprise the majority of terrorists, but the threat posed by the two groups is vastly disproportional to what percentage of the population they comprise. Percentages are what matter.
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