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BrendanD19
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3/24/2016 3:37:09 PM
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Everyone's ideology is shaped by something, often by various thinkers, writers, philosophers, social critics and academics. Who are you favorites and who has been influential in shaping you views. This is not about who in your personal life, influenced you, what thinkers and writers influenced your views. For example, Ayn Rand would be an influence in this sense, but your professor who encouraged you to read Atlas Shrugged would not.
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3/24/2016 3:38:44 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:37:09 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Everyone's ideology is shaped by something, often by various thinkers, writers, philosophers, social critics and academics. Who are you favorites and who has been influential in shaping you views. This is not about who in your personal life, influenced you, what thinkers and writers influenced your views. For example, Ayn Rand would be an influence in this sense, but your professor who encouraged you to read Atlas Shrugged would not.

Milton Friedman
John Maynard Keynes ( I know the irony)
"In Guns We Trust" Tajshar2k
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3/24/2016 3:39:34 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:38:44 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:37:09 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Everyone's ideology is shaped by something, often by various thinkers, writers, philosophers, social critics and academics. Who are you favorites and who has been influential in shaping you views. This is not about who in your personal life, influenced you, what thinkers and writers influenced your views. For example, Ayn Rand would be an influence in this sense, but your professor who encouraged you to read Atlas Shrugged would not.

Milton Friedman
John Maynard Keynes ( I know the irony)

Well Friedman considered Keynes to be an influence, as Keynes developed Macroeconomics.
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3/24/2016 3:41:15 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:39:34 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:38:44 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:37:09 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Everyone's ideology is shaped by something, often by various thinkers, writers, philosophers, social critics and academics. Who are you favorites and who has been influential in shaping you views. This is not about who in your personal life, influenced you, what thinkers and writers influenced your views. For example, Ayn Rand would be an influence in this sense, but your professor who encouraged you to read Atlas Shrugged would not.

Milton Friedman
John Maynard Keynes ( I know the irony)

Well Friedman considered Keynes to be an influence, as Keynes developed Macroeconomics.

That's true, but Friedman is strongly opposed to Keynesian ecnomics.
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3/24/2016 3:51:50 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
This is kind of a crazy bunch... but:

I am similar to...

Noam Chomsky, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Michel Foucault, Alan Dershowitz, David Mitchell (author), Nicolo Machiavelli, Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, Montesquieu.

To some extent, but a lesser one:

Martin Heidegger, Edmund Burke, Immanuel Kant, Max Weber, John Rawls, Marx, Kropotkin

People Whose Writings have Influenced me Against them:

Ayn Rand (and her ideological progeny), Andrea Dworkin (and her ideological progeny), Ronald Dworkin (and his ideological progeny), Stanley Fish, Adorno, Sartre, Deluze, Habermas, etc.
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3/24/2016 4:11:28 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:51:50 PM, YYW wrote:
This is kind of a crazy bunch... but:

I am similar to...

Noam Chomsky, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Michel Foucault, Alan Dershowitz, David Mitchell (author), Nicolo Machiavelli, Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, Montesquieu.

To some extent, but a lesser one:

Martin Heidegger, Edmund Burke, Immanuel Kant, Max Weber, John Rawls, Marx, Kropotkin

People Whose Writings have Influenced me Against them:

Ayn Rand (and her ideological progeny), Andrea Dworkin (and her ideological progeny), Ronald Dworkin (and his ideological progeny), Stanley Fish, Adorno, Sartre, Deluze, Habermas, etc.

I like Foucault.
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3/24/2016 4:25:33 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:37:09 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Everyone's ideology is shaped by something, often by various thinkers, writers, philosophers, social critics and academics. Who are you favorites and who has been influential in shaping you views. This is not about who in your personal life, influenced you, what thinkers and writers influenced your views. For example, Ayn Rand would be an influence in this sense, but your professor who encouraged you to read Atlas Shrugged would not.

This is an incomplete list (and note I am excluding living politicans who are not academics)

-John Kenneth Galbraith
-Martin Luther King Jr.
-Richard Wolff
-Michael Harrington
-Yannis Varoufakis
-Noam Chomsky
-Eduard Bernstein
-Malcolm X
-Chris Hedges
-Henry Wallace
-Eugene V. Debs
-Norman Thomas
-Tony Benn
-Olaf Palme
-Ralph Nader
-Cornel West
-Caesar Chavez
-Rosa Luxemburg
-James Connolly
-Keir Hardie
-Dorothy Day
-Gar Alperovitz
-"scar Romero
-Tommy Douglas
-Desmond Tutu
-Nelson Mandela
-Yasser Arafat
-Naomi Klein
-George Orwell
-Howard Zinn
-Thomas Paine
-Eleanore Roosevelt
-Pope Francis
-Robert Owen
-Salvador Allende
-A. Philip Randolph
-Gustavo Guti"rrez
-Patrick Pearse
-Willy Brandt
-Mary Harris Jones
-Helen Keller
-Barbara Ehrenreich
-Frank Zeidler
-Erich Fromm
-Norman Finkelstein
-Juan Gonzalez
-Amy Goodman
-Jawaharlal Nehru
-Edward Said
-Mohammad Mosaddegh
-Paul Sweezy
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3/24/2016 4:43:57 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 4:11:28 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:51:50 PM, YYW wrote:
This is kind of a crazy bunch... but:

I am similar to...

Noam Chomsky, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Michel Foucault, Alan Dershowitz, David Mitchell (author), Nicolo Machiavelli, Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, Montesquieu.

To some extent, but a lesser one:

Martin Heidegger, Edmund Burke, Immanuel Kant, Max Weber, John Rawls, Marx, Kropotkin

People Whose Writings have Influenced me Against them:

Ayn Rand (and her ideological progeny), Andrea Dworkin (and her ideological progeny), Ronald Dworkin (and his ideological progeny), Stanley Fish, Adorno, Sartre, Deluze, Habermas, etc.

I like Foucault.

Same.... and he is so frequently misread, lumped into the same lot as Sartre... which is irritating.

Sartre and Foucault go together like oil and water.
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3/24/2016 4:48:13 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 3:37:09 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Everyone's ideology is shaped by something, often by various thinkers, writers, philosophers, social critics and academics. Who are you favorites and who has been influential in shaping you views. This is not about who in your personal life, influenced you, what thinkers and writers influenced your views. For example, Ayn Rand would be an influence in this sense, but your professor who encouraged you to read Atlas Shrugged would not.

Jesus, Martin Luther King, Billy Graham, Charles Stanley, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Geert Wilders, Ronald Reagan, Harry Truman, FDR, Martin Luther
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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3/24/2016 4:48:53 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Bluesteel
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Not even kidding... I've read plenty of famous primary source material, but ultimately, talking to these people and reading the stuff they've written has been much more influential on my personal ideology. It completely changed the way I think about things (for the better, of course. My views when I first joined the site were stupid). Instilled a sense of pragmatism and realism in me.
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3/24/2016 5:02:33 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 4:43:57 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/24/2016 4:11:28 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:51:50 PM, YYW wrote:
This is kind of a crazy bunch... but:

I am similar to...

Noam Chomsky, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, Michel Foucault, Alan Dershowitz, David Mitchell (author), Nicolo Machiavelli, Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, Montesquieu.

To some extent, but a lesser one:

Martin Heidegger, Edmund Burke, Immanuel Kant, Max Weber, John Rawls, Marx, Kropotkin

People Whose Writings have Influenced me Against them:

Ayn Rand (and her ideological progeny), Andrea Dworkin (and her ideological progeny), Ronald Dworkin (and his ideological progeny), Stanley Fish, Adorno, Sartre, Deluze, Habermas, etc.

I like Foucault.

Same.... and he is so frequently misread, lumped into the same lot as Sartre... which is irritating.

Sartre and Foucault go together like oil and water.

Yah, I had to re-read his ideas a few times.
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3/24/2016 5:13:34 PM
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Billy Graham - God loves you (short)

http://youtu.be...

Billy Graham - Amassador for Christ

http://youtu.be...

Martin Luther King Jr. - I have been to the mountaintop.

http://youtu.be...

AyaanHirsi Ali

http://youtu.be...

Geert Wilders - Warning to America

http://youtu.be...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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3/24/2016 5:13:47 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
(I'll end up in the NSA Watchlist by the time this list is done)
-Keynes
-Lester B Pearson
-Malcom X
-Ibn Taymiyyah
-Al Ghazali
-Muhammad (pbuh)
- Han Feizi (sort of)
-Confucius (sort of)
"Praise Allah."
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3/24/2016 5:25:25 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 5:13:34 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Billy Graham - God loves you (short)

http://youtu.be...

Billy Graham - Amassador for Christ

http://youtu.be...

Martin Luther King Jr. - I have been to the mountaintop.

http://youtu.be...

AyaanHirsi Ali

http://youtu.be...

Geert Wilders - Warning to America

http://youtu.be...

You do know MLK was a democratic socialist, right?
http://www.rawstory.com...
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3/24/2016 5:26:02 PM
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At 3/24/2016 5:13:47 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
(I'll end up in the NSA Watchlist by the time this list is done)

You and me both pal
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3/24/2016 5:27:19 PM
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At 3/24/2016 4:48:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:37:09 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Everyone's ideology is shaped by something, often by various thinkers, writers, philosophers, social critics and academics. Who are you favorites and who has been influential in shaping you views. This is not about who in your personal life, influenced you, what thinkers and writers influenced your views. For example, Ayn Rand would be an influence in this sense, but your professor who encouraged you to read Atlas Shrugged would not.

Jesus, Martin Luther King, Billy Graham, Charles Stanley, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Geert Wilders, Ronald Reagan, Harry Truman, FDR, Martin Luther

Also Harry Truman, MLK and FDR go with Billy Graham, Ronald Reagan and Geert Wilders like oil and water.
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3/24/2016 5:27:58 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 5:26:02 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:13:47 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
(I'll end up in the NSA Watchlist by the time this list is done)

You and me both pal

I was considering adding Yasser Arafat to that list but I already aroused enough suspicion. *flies away*
"Praise Allah."
~YYW
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3/24/2016 5:28:15 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 5:27:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 4:48:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:37:09 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Everyone's ideology is shaped by something, often by various thinkers, writers, philosophers, social critics and academics. Who are you favorites and who has been influential in shaping you views. This is not about who in your personal life, influenced you, what thinkers and writers influenced your views. For example, Ayn Rand would be an influence in this sense, but your professor who encouraged you to read Atlas Shrugged would not.

Jesus, Martin Luther King, Billy Graham, Charles Stanley, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Geert Wilders, Ronald Reagan, Harry Truman, FDR, Martin Luther

Also Harry Truman, MLK and FDR go with Billy Graham, Ronald Reagan and Geert Wilders like oil and water.

Scratch Graham, I thought you were talking about someone else.
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3/24/2016 5:34:28 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 5:25:25 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:13:34 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Billy Graham - God loves you (short)

http://youtu.be...

Billy Graham - Amassador for Christ

http://youtu.be...

Martin Luther King Jr. - I have been to the mountaintop.

http://youtu.be...

AyaanHirsi Ali

http://youtu.be...

Geert Wilders - Warning to America

http://youtu.be...

You do know MLK was a democratic socialist, right?
http://www.rawstory.com...

I don't have problems with individuals like Bernie Sanders, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Ayaan Hirsi Ali(Atheist), Richard Dawkins(Atheist, Christopher Hitchens(Atheist, passed away), etc.

But, that doesn't mean I agree with everythingthey say. I don't agree with everything Billy Graham says.

Nevertheless, I do disagree with Socialism, Marxism, Fascism, Communism, Naziism, the Quran, The Book of Mormon, the Urantia Book, the Watchtower, etc.

That doesn't mean I wont listen to Romney, Sanders, etc.

When Hillary speaks, I glaze over. Lost my trust. Same with Barack. Fool me once, twice, thrice....
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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3/24/2016 5:38:38 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 5:34:28 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:25:25 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:13:34 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Billy Graham - God loves you (short)

http://youtu.be...

Billy Graham - Amassador for Christ

http://youtu.be...

Martin Luther King Jr. - I have been to the mountaintop.

http://youtu.be...

AyaanHirsi Ali

http://youtu.be...

Geert Wilders - Warning to America

http://youtu.be...

You do know MLK was a democratic socialist, right?
http://www.rawstory.com...

I don't have problems with individuals like Bernie Sanders, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Ayaan Hirsi Ali(Atheist), Richard Dawkins(Atheist, Christopher Hitchens(Atheist, passed away), etc.

But, that doesn't mean I agree with everythingthey say. I don't agree with everything Billy Graham says.

Nevertheless, I do disagree with Socialism, Marxism, Fascism, Communism, Nazism, the Quran, The Book of Mormon, the Urantia Book, the Watchtower, etc.

That doesn't mean I wont listen to Romney, Sanders, etc.

When Hillary speaks, I glaze over. Lost my trust. Same with Barack. Fool me once, twice, thrice....

So I take it you are a Christian Nationalist?
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3/24/2016 5:39:24 PM
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At 3/24/2016 5:27:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 4:48:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:37:09 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Everyone's ideology is shaped by something, often by various thinkers, writers, philosophers, social critics and academics. Who are you favorites and who has been influential in shaping you views. This is not about who in your personal life, influenced you, what thinkers and writers influenced your views. For example, Ayn Rand would be an influence in this sense, but your professor who encouraged you to read Atlas Shrugged would not.

Jesus, Martin Luther King, Billy Graham, Charles Stanley, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Geert Wilders, Ronald Reagan, Harry Truman, FDR, Martin Luther

Also Harry Truman, MLK and FDR go with Billy Graham, Ronald Reagan and Geert Wilders like oil and water.

That's where we get the label "Moderate". We listen to both sides, hence, I don't condemn homosexuality, I don't codemn all abortion, but I am pro gun, pro free speech, pro wall, anti refugees coming into the country, etc.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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3/24/2016 5:47:08 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 5:34:28 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:25:25 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:13:34 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Billy Graham - God loves you (short)

http://youtu.be...

Billy Graham - Amassador for Christ

http://youtu.be...

Martin Luther King Jr. - I have been to the mountaintop.

http://youtu.be...

AyaanHirsi Ali

http://youtu.be...

Geert Wilders - Warning to America

http://youtu.be...

You do know MLK was a democratic socialist, right?
http://www.rawstory.com...

I don't have problems with individuals like Bernie Sanders, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Ayaan Hirsi Ali(Atheist), Richard Dawkins(Atheist, Christopher Hitchens(Atheist, passed away), etc.

But, that doesn't mean I agree with everythingthey say. I don't agree with everything Billy Graham says.

Nevertheless, I do disagree with Socialism, Marxism, Fascism, Communism, Naziism, the Quran, The Book of Mormon, the Urantia Book, the Watchtower, etc.

That doesn't mean I wont listen to Romney, Sanders, etc.

When Hillary speaks, I glaze over. Lost my trust. Same with Barack. Fool me once, twice, thrice....

And also that isn't really the point. MLK was adamantly opposed to war (Beyond Vietnam)
He was against Capitalism and supported democratic socialism (1952 Letter to Coretta Scott King; Where do We go from here, 1967; Other speeches)
He was against any form of discrimination, including on religious grounds. "We must learn to live together as brothers," he said, "or perish together as fools."
However you have called for war in Iraq and Syria, are adamantly opposed to Islam and other religions you disagree with, and he said that America should adopt democratic socialism.
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3/24/2016 5:50:14 PM
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At 3/24/2016 5:39:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:27:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 4:48:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:37:09 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Everyone's ideology is shaped by something, often by various thinkers, writers, philosophers, social critics and academics. Who are you favorites and who has been influential in shaping you views. This is not about who in your personal life, influenced you, what thinkers and writers influenced your views. For example, Ayn Rand would be an influence in this sense, but your professor who encouraged you to read Atlas Shrugged would not.

Jesus, Martin Luther King, Billy Graham, Charles Stanley, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Geert Wilders, Ronald Reagan, Harry Truman, FDR, Martin Luther

Also Harry Truman, MLK and FDR go with Billy Graham, Ronald Reagan and Geert Wilders like oil and water.

That's where we get the label "Moderate". We listen to both sides, hence, I don't condemn homosexuality, I don't condemn all abortion, but I am pro gun, pro free speech, pro wall, anti refugees coming into the country, etc.

King was also pro-immigrant rights, believed that refugees should be granted asylum by all nations and he was not too fund of guns in general. Not gun rights, guns period. He was a pacifist.
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3/24/2016 5:52:24 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 5:38:38 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:34:28 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:25:25 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:13:34 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Billy Graham - God loves you (short)

http://youtu.be...

Billy Graham - Amassador for Christ

http://youtu.be...

Martin Luther King Jr. - I have been to the mountaintop.

http://youtu.be...

AyaanHirsi Ali

http://youtu.be...

Geert Wilders - Warning to America

http://youtu.be...

You do know MLK was a democratic socialist, right?
http://www.rawstory.com...

I don't have problems with individuals like Bernie Sanders, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Ayaan Hirsi Ali(Atheist), Richard Dawkins(Atheist, Christopher Hitchens(Atheist, passed away), etc.

But, that doesn't mean I agree with everythingthey say. I don't agree with everything Billy Graham says.

Nevertheless, I do disagree with Socialism, Marxism, Fascism, Communism, Nazism, the Quran, The Book of Mormon, the Urantia Book, the Watchtower, etc.

That doesn't mean I wont listen to Romney, Sanders, etc.

When Hillary speaks, I glaze over. Lost my trust. Same with Barack. Fool me once, twice, thrice....

So I take it you are a Christian Nationalist?

I'm a Christian who does not codemn homosexuals because I don't find them threatening nor do I know what it's like to be them. I do not say abortion is NEVER acceptable. I am pro gun via the 2nd amendment. I am pro free speech via the 1st amendment. I am anti-refugees even if they are Christians per national security of my country. I am pro Israel. I am pro America, which is why I dislike Obama. He comes off somewhat anti-American. His book is very anti-American. His taking away veteran benefits was an insult.

I do not condemn homosexuality or any other religion ACCEPT Islam. Via my raising, studies, and theological background I am anti-Islam because the ideology is bigoted, destructive, and dangerous to democracy. I am not so much anti-Islam as it is anti-me and anti-democracy, nonconformable, generally to the West. I am not anti-Muslim. There's a difference. All individuals are different, but the ideology is madness. It is a book filled with anti Jew, anti Christian, and anti nonMuslim(you and me) rhetoric and in droves. I am intollerant of intollerance. For me to be anti KKK does not make me a bigot. To be anti Nazi does not make one a bigot. To be anti bigot does not make one a bigot. Via the Quran, as a democracy lover, an America lover, and a free speech lover, Islam (the religion), doesn't work for me. Sometimes things must be said without flinching even if it offends people. PC has destroyed Europe. Thus, I don't want it here.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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3/24/2016 5:55:03 PM
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At 3/24/2016 5:47:08 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:34:28 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:25:25 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:13:34 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Billy Graham - God loves you (short)

http://youtu.be...

Billy Graham - Amassador for Christ

http://youtu.be...

Martin Luther King Jr. - I have been to the mountaintop.

http://youtu.be...

AyaanHirsi Ali

http://youtu.be...

Geert Wilders - Warning to America

http://youtu.be...

You do know MLK was a democratic socialist, right?
http://www.rawstory.com...

I don't have problems with individuals like Bernie Sanders, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Ayaan Hirsi Ali(Atheist), Richard Dawkins(Atheist, Christopher Hitchens(Atheist, passed away), etc.

But, that doesn't mean I agree with everythingthey say. I don't agree with everything Billy Graham says.

Nevertheless, I do disagree with Socialism, Marxism, Fascism, Communism, Naziism, the Quran, The Book of Mormon, the Urantia Book, the Watchtower, etc.

That doesn't mean I wont listen to Romney, Sanders, etc.

When Hillary speaks, I glaze over. Lost my trust. Same with Barack. Fool me once, twice, thrice....

And also that isn't really the point. MLK was adamantly opposed to war (Beyond Vietnam)
He was against Capitalism and supported democratic socialism (1952 Letter to Coretta Scott King; Where do We go from here, 1967; Other speeches)
He was against any form of discrimination, including on religious grounds. "We must learn to live together as brothers," he said, "or perish together as fools."
However you have called for war in Iraq and Syria, are adamantly opposed to Islam and other religions you disagree with, and he said that America should adopt democratic socialism.

Martin Luther King was also a Christian. Christ taught love, peace, mercy, etc. But His followers also carried swords. The world is not black and white. I do not "call for war". I call for military aid to police an area in anarchy and chaos.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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3/24/2016 6:00:39 PM
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At 3/24/2016 5:55:03 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:47:08 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:34:28 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:25:25 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:13:34 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Billy Graham - God loves you (short)

http://youtu.be...

Billy Graham - Amassador for Christ

http://youtu.be...

Martin Luther King Jr. - I have been to the mountaintop.

http://youtu.be...

AyaanHirsi Ali

http://youtu.be...

Geert Wilders - Warning to America

http://youtu.be...

You do know MLK was a democratic socialist, right?
http://www.rawstory.com...

I don't have problems with individuals like Bernie Sanders, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Ayaan Hirsi Ali(Atheist), Richard Dawkins(Atheist, Christopher Hitchens(Atheist, passed away), etc.

But, that doesn't mean I agree with everythingthey say. I don't agree with everything Billy Graham says.

Nevertheless, I do disagree with Socialism, Marxism, Fascism, Communism, Naziism, the Quran, The Book of Mormon, the Urantia Book, the Watchtower, etc.

That doesn't mean I wont listen to Romney, Sanders, etc.

When Hillary speaks, I glaze over. Lost my trust. Same with Barack. Fool me once, twice, thrice....

And also that isn't really the point. MLK was adamantly opposed to war (Beyond Vietnam)
He was against Capitalism and supported democratic socialism (1952 Letter to Coretta Scott King; Where do We go from here, 1967; Other speeches)
He was against any form of discrimination, including on religious grounds. "We must learn to live together as brothers," he said, "or perish together as fools."
However you have called for war in Iraq and Syria, are adamantly opposed to Islam and other religions you disagree with, and he said that America should adopt democratic socialism.

Martin Luther King was also a Christian. Christ taught love, peace, mercy, etc. But His followers also carried swords. The world is not black and white. I do not "call for war". I call for military aid to police an area in anarchy and chaos.

And thats what they said vietnam was.
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3/24/2016 6:06:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 5:50:14 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:39:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:27:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 4:48:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:37:09 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Everyone's ideology is shaped by something, often by various thinkers, writers, philosophers, social critics and academics. Who are you favorites and who has been influential in shaping you views. This is not about who in your personal life, influenced you, what thinkers and writers influenced your views. For example, Ayn Rand would be an influence in this sense, but your professor who encouraged you to read Atlas Shrugged would not.

Jesus, Martin Luther King, Billy Graham, Charles Stanley, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Geert Wilders, Ronald Reagan, Harry Truman, FDR, Martin Luther

Also Harry Truman, MLK and FDR go with Billy Graham, Ronald Reagan and Geert Wilders like oil and water.

That's where we get the label "Moderate". We listen to both sides, hence, I don't condemn homosexuality, I don't condemn all abortion, but I am pro gun, pro free speech, pro wall, anti refugees coming into the country, etc.

King was also pro-immigrant rights, believed that refugees should be granted asylum by all nations and he was not too fund of guns in general. Not gun rights, guns period. He was a pacifist.

MLK wasn't living in the time of assimilational culture problems on massive scales. Sweden was not the "rape capital of the world" via immigration in his lifetime. In his lifetime there was no 9/11, Paris mass attacks, rape jihad of Cologne, Boston Marathon bombing, Fort Hood Massacre, San Bernerdino massacre, a Philadelphia policeman shot unprovoked, "in the name of Allah", Belgium airport bombing ISIS, Al Queda, Boko Haram, children burned alive in cages, mass destruction of Christian churches, Christian genocide by ISIS, War on the Cross" by ISIS, mass beheadings of Christians, nor threats by ISIS to infiltrate migrants/refugees. He also was not well versed on the Quran(I assume).
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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3/24/2016 6:13:18 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 6:00:39 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:55:03 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:47:08 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:34:28 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:25:25 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:13:34 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Billy Graham - God loves you (short)

http://youtu.be...

Billy Graham - Amassador for Christ

http://youtu.be...

Martin Luther King Jr. - I have been to the mountaintop.

http://youtu.be...

AyaanHirsi Ali

http://youtu.be...

Geert Wilders - Warning to America

http://youtu.be...

You do know MLK was a democratic socialist, right?
http://www.rawstory.com...

I don't have problems with individuals like Bernie Sanders, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Ayaan Hirsi Ali(Atheist), Richard Dawkins(Atheist, Christopher Hitchens(Atheist, passed away), etc.

But, that doesn't mean I agree with everythingthey say. I don't agree with everything Billy Graham says.

Nevertheless, I do disagree with Socialism, Marxism, Fascism, Communism, Naziism, the Quran, The Book of Mormon, the Urantia Book, the Watchtower, etc.

That doesn't mean I wont listen to Romney, Sanders, etc.

When Hillary speaks, I glaze over. Lost my trust. Same with Barack. Fool me once, twice, thrice....

And also that isn't really the point. MLK was adamantly opposed to war (Beyond Vietnam)
He was against Capitalism and supported democratic socialism (1952 Letter to Coretta Scott King; Where do We go from here, 1967; Other speeches)
He was against any form of discrimination, including on religious grounds. "We must learn to live together as brothers," he said, "or perish together as fools."
However you have called for war in Iraq and Syria, are adamantly opposed to Islam and other religions you disagree with, and he said that America should adopt democratic socialism.

Martin Luther King was also a Christian. Christ taught love, peace, mercy, etc. But His followers also carried swords. The world is not black and white. I do not "call for war". I call for military aid to police an area in anarchy and chaos.

And thats what they said vietnam was.

The Vietnam War was fought in a different era with different military capabilities. Notice the 2 Iraqi wars were not bloodbaths like Vietnam. War has changed since the 60's. When we were policing the area in real life, Islamofascists were on the run, hiding, and losing influence. It was a death sentence to face the U.S. military. There was no sense of a caliphate. By allowing ISIS to build and arm we gave legitimacy to the idea of an ISIS caliphate within Islam. When the Islamists are on the run and hiding, it's a "sign from Allah" that this is not "inspired". When it is successful and powerful it "is inspired by Alkah", etc. This is why there must be a policing to contain the power struggle ideologically of a caliphate.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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3/24/2016 6:14:32 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 6:06:49 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:50:14 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:39:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 5:27:19 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/24/2016 4:48:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/24/2016 3:37:09 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
Everyone's ideology is shaped by something, often by various thinkers, writers, philosophers, social critics and academics. Who are you favorites and who has been influential in shaping you views. This is not about who in your personal life, influenced you, what thinkers and writers influenced your views. For example, Ayn Rand would be an influence in this sense, but your professor who encouraged you to read Atlas Shrugged would not.

Jesus, Martin Luther King, Billy Graham, Charles Stanley, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Geert Wilders, Ronald Reagan, Harry Truman, FDR, Martin Luther

Also Harry Truman, MLK and FDR go with Billy Graham, Ronald Reagan and Geert Wilders like oil and water.

That's where we get the label "Moderate". We listen to both sides, hence, I don't condemn homosexuality, I don't condemn all abortion, but I am pro gun, pro free speech, pro wall, anti refugees coming into the country, etc.

King was also pro-immigrant rights, believed that refugees should be granted asylum by all nations and he was not too fund of guns in general. Not gun rights, guns period. He was a pacifist.

MLK wasn't living in the time of assimilational culture problems on massive scales. Sweden was not the "rape capital of the world" via immigration in his lifetime. In his lifetime there was no 9/11, Paris mass attacks, rape jihad of Cologne, Boston Marathon bombing, Fort Hood Massacre, San Bernerdino massacre, a Philadelphia policeman shot unprovoked, "in the name of Allah", Belgium airport bombing ISIS, Al Queda, Boko Haram, children burned alive in cages, mass destruction of Christian churches, Christian genocide by ISIS, War on the Cross" by ISIS, mass beheadings of Christians, nor threats by ISIS to infiltrate migrants/refugees. He also was not well versed on the Quran(I assume).

He taught classes on theology and history, and he had studied the Quran pretty well. He wrote highly of it in letters to Malcolm X.
And in his time assimilation was called integration, and the group people feared was black people.
And South Africa has far more rapes than Sweden in Per 100,000 people and Total cases (US beats them in total) and rape in Sweden has been on the decline over the last 5 years.