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smelisox
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3/24/2016 4:46:32 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 4:20:19 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Yep. Bombs are normal.

Congratulations, you are the least intelligent person in Western Europe.
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3/28/2016 5:08:14 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Smelisox is a Muslim
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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3/28/2016 6:28:38 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
The Left has some very strange ideas of what Islamic terrorist groups want.
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3/28/2016 6:51:25 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
The primary objectives of Islamic terror groups are:
1. Replace existing regimes in the Middle East with Islamic theocracies (one reason why you don't see a lot of terrorism in Saudi Arabia and Iran; in these countries, the only motive for an insurgency/terror campaign would be the Sunni/Shi'ite struggle).
2. Intimidate the Western world into staying out of the Middle East (namely, not providing support for regimes which the terror groups are trying to topple or attacking the terror groups).
Their end goal, then, is a theocratic Ummah. It really has nothing to do with "get the West to kick out Muslims so that the Muslim world will unite against the West".
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3/28/2016 7:05:41 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
The Arab Spring, while it does entail extensive Western meddling, has also been a prime opportunity for Islamic terror groups to replace secular regimes with theocracies or at least grab large amounts of territory. One prime example of this is Yemen; another is Syria. Another is Libya. Iraq, which wasn't affected by the Arab Spring, has a large amount of territory held by the ISIL.
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3/28/2016 7:13:58 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Regimes in the Middle East typically either have really weak armies or are DPRK-esque states with overpowered militaries (examples of this include Ba'athist Iraq, contemporary Iran, pre-war Syria, etc). In the latter, terrorists wait for a secular rebellion against these regimes to occur, which provides sufficient destabilization for the terrorists to step in. With the former, they can just begin their insurgency like that.
In both cases, however, military intervention of strong Western militaries can totally screw over terrorist plans for taking over a country (I'm looking at you, Afghanistan and Mali). Hence, they want the West out.
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3/28/2016 7:24:46 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Although I don't agree with the overall purpose of the article - I don't see how gaining media attention helps ISIS achieve their goal - this is probably the best way to word this:
"The atrocities in Brussels happen almost daily on the streets of Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus. Western missiles and Isis bombs kill more innocents in a week than die in Europe in a year. The difference is the media response. A dead Muslim is an unlucky mutt in the wrong place at the wrong time. A dead European is front-page news."
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3/28/2016 7:33:47 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/28/2016 7:24:46 PM, Selcouth_Debater wrote:
Although I don't agree with the overall purpose of the article - I don't see how gaining media attention helps ISIS achieve their goal - this is probably the best way to word this:
"The atrocities in Brussels happen almost daily on the streets of Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus. Western missiles and Isis bombs kill more innocents in a week than die in Europe in a year. The difference is the media response. A dead Muslim is an unlucky mutt in the wrong place at the wrong time. A dead European is front-page news."

What the west still doesn't get is that the Media for ISIS is guns and bombs, not broadcast sit-down shows. Choosing to ignore the bombs on western media doesn't matter to ISIS. The locals are still recruited per standard op.
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3/28/2016 7:34:54 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/28/2016 7:24:46 PM, Selcouth_Debater wrote:
Although I don't agree with the overall purpose of the article - I don't see how gaining media attention helps ISIS achieve their goal - this is probably the best way to word this:
"The atrocities in Brussels happen almost daily on the streets of Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus. Western missiles and Isis bombs kill more innocents in a week than die in Europe in a year. The difference is the media response. A dead Muslim is an unlucky mutt in the wrong place at the wrong time. A dead European is front-page news."

Basically if you want to get rid of ISIS, confiscating the cameras just isn't going to work. You have to go for their guns and bombs.
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3/28/2016 7:59:36 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/28/2016 7:33:47 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 3/28/2016 7:24:46 PM, Selcouth_Debater wrote:
Although I don't agree with the overall purpose of the article - I don't see how gaining media attention helps ISIS achieve their goal - this is probably the best way to word this:
"The atrocities in Brussels happen almost daily on the streets of Baghdad, Aleppo and Damascus. Western missiles and Isis bombs kill more innocents in a week than die in Europe in a year. The difference is the media response. A dead Muslim is an unlucky mutt in the wrong place at the wrong time. A dead European is front-page news."

What the west still doesn't get is that the Media for ISIS is guns and bombs, not broadcast sit-down shows. Choosing to ignore the bombs on western media doesn't matter to ISIS. The locals are still recruited per standard op.

Exactly.
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Greyparrot
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3/28/2016 8:32:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 4:46:32 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 3/24/2016 4:20:19 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Yep. Bombs are normal.

Congratulations, you are the least intelligent person in Western Europe.

Since most Europeans want to normalize terrorism... thanks.
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3/28/2016 10:32:29 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 4:46:32 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 3/24/2016 4:20:19 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Yep. Bombs are normal.

Congratulations, you are the least intelligent person in Western Europe.

No need to insult him (by the way, ignore brontos post, hes looking for an argument)
Meh!
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3/28/2016 10:42:53 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/28/2016 10:32:29 PM, Axonly wrote:
At 3/24/2016 4:46:32 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 3/24/2016 4:20:19 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Yep. Bombs are normal.

Congratulations, you are the least intelligent person in Western Europe.

No need to insult him (by the way, ignore brontos post, hes looking for an argument)

He actually applauded me for setting the bar for Europe.
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3/29/2016 3:19:35 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/28/2016 6:51:25 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The primary objectives of Islamic terror groups are:
1. Replace existing regimes in the Middle East with Islamic theocracies (one reason why you don't see a lot of terrorism in Saudi Arabia and Iran; in these countries, the only motive for an insurgency/terror campaign would be the Sunni/Shi'ite struggle).
2. Intimidate the Western world into staying out of the Middle East (namely, not providing support for regimes which the terror groups are trying to topple or attacking the terror groups).
Their end goal, then, is a theocratic Ummah. It really has nothing to do with "get the West to kick out Muslims so that the Muslim world will unite against the West".

"one reason why you don't see a lot of terrorism in Saudi Arabia"
"one reason why you don't see a lot of terrorism in Saudi Arabia"
"one reason why you don't see a lot of terrorism in Saudi Arabia"
"one reason why you don't see a lot of terrorism in Saudi Arabia"

http://www.youareanidiot.org...

https://en.wikipedia.org...
https://en.wikipedia.org...(2015"present)
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3/29/2016 3:37:39 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 3:19:35 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 3/28/2016 6:51:25 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The primary objectives of Islamic terror groups are:
1. Replace existing regimes in the Middle East with Islamic theocracies (one reason why you don't see a lot of terrorism in Saudi Arabia and Iran; in these countries, the only motive for an insurgency/terror campaign would be the Sunni/Shi'ite struggle).
2. Intimidate the Western world into staying out of the Middle East (namely, not providing support for regimes which the terror groups are trying to topple or attacking the terror groups).
Their end goal, then, is a theocratic Ummah. It really has nothing to do with "get the West to kick out Muslims so that the Muslim world will unite against the West".

"one reason why you don't see a lot of terrorism in Saudi Arabia"
"one reason why you don't see a lot of terrorism in Saudi Arabia"
"one reason why you don't see a lot of terrorism in Saudi Arabia"
"one reason why you don't see a lot of terrorism in Saudi Arabia"

http://www.youareanidiot.org...

https://en.wikipedia.org...
https://en.wikipedia.org...(2015"present)

A large amount of terrorism in Yemen does not equate to a large amount of terrorism in Saudi Arabia, seeing as how the two are separate countries. However, if there were to be terrorism in Saudi Arabia it'd most likely be:
1. Committed by Shi'ites who are disgruntled with the way they are treated in the country
2. Committed by Shi'ites who are upset with the Saudi intervention in Yemen which was done with the intention of preventing a Shi'ite takeover of Yemen
3. Committed by fundamentalists who are angry with Saudi Arabia's strong ties with the United States
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