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3/25/2016 11:13:02 PM
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I don't understand how the Right love to claim liberals want to remove rights and constantly seek to violate the Constitution, but openly advocate the overall surveillance of a particular community. This logic creates the distrust that creates an anti-American sentiment. The ideal approach needs to include members of the Muslim community together with the government working to combat radical forces. If Republicans support such a broad policy of policing in the Muslim community, they should call for all churches to be monitored. Many of those institutions promote hate and advocate armed violence against the state and minorities.
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3/25/2016 11:14:08 PM
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At 3/25/2016 11:13:02 PM, CurrentlyLeft wrote:
I don't understand how the Right love to claim liberals want to remove rights and constantly seek to violate the Constitution, but openly advocate the overall surveillance of a particular community. This logic creates the distrust that creates an anti-American sentiment. The ideal approach needs to include members of the Muslim community together with the government working to combat radical forces. If Republicans support such a broad policy of policing in the Muslim community, they should call for all churches to be monitored. Many of those institutions promote hate and advocate armed violence against the state and minorities.
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3/25/2016 11:32:39 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 11:13:02 PM, CurrentlyLeft wrote:
I don't understand how the Right love to claim liberals want to remove rights and constantly seek to violate the Constitution, but openly advocate the overall surveillance of a particular community. This logic creates the distrust that creates an anti-American sentiment. The ideal approach needs to include members of the Muslim community together with the government working to combat radical forces. If Republicans support such a broad policy of policing in the Muslim community, they should call for all churches to be monitored. Many of those institutions promote hate and advocate armed violence against the state and minorities.

They should police anybody deemed a threat to national security. If the Southern Baptist Convention is screaming "death to America!" In the aisle, they should be policed or moled. But they aren't. Mosques ARE. Any public assembly preaching attacks on America is fair game. Period.

How do police surveillance gang infested areas? They focus on a group and protect everyone around from them.
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3/25/2016 11:33:52 PM
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The FBI should not police muslim neighborhoods any differently than they police other neighborhoods.
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3/26/2016 12:02:30 AM
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They should police anybody deemed a threat to national security. If the Southern Baptist Convention is screaming "death to America!" In the aisle, they should be policed or moled. But they aren't. Mosques ARE. Any public assembly preaching attacks on America is fair game. Period.

How do police surveillance gang infested areas? They focus on a group and protect everyone around from them.

What do you mean threats to America? There are white nationalists groups and neo-Nazi organizations that openly advocate harm against minorities. When Dylann Roof attacked the church nobody was advocating the policing of white communities. He was influenced by groups that preach this type of message against American minorities. Where is the concerned outrage when it comes to domestic terrorism?

Spying on Muslim communities is about racial profiling not keeping the communities safe. All of these terrorists are on watch lists and they still carry out their attacks. Why should the rights of minorities be infringed
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3/26/2016 12:26:52 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/26/2016 12:02:30 AM, CurrentlyLeft wrote:
They should police anybody deemed a threat to national security. If the Southern Baptist Convention is screaming "death to America!" In the aisle, they should be policed or moled. But they aren't. Mosques ARE. Any public assembly preaching attacks on America is fair game. Period.

How do police surveillance gang infested areas? They focus on a group and protect everyone around from them.


What do you mean threats to America? There are white nationalists groups and neo-Nazi organizations that openly advocate harm against minorities. When Dylann Roof attacked the church nobody was advocating the policing of white communities. He was influenced by groups that preach this type of message against American minorities. Where is the concerned outrage when it comes to domestic terrorism?

Spying on Muslim communities is about racial profiling not keeping the communities safe. All of these terrorists are on watch lists and they still carry out their attacks. Why should the rights of minorities be infringed

While I generally agree with you, Islam is a belief, not a race. If there is a belief system that is inherently militaristic, there is at least some logical basis for believing people who support such a system are more susceptible to perpetuating violence than a benign belief system.
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3/26/2016 12:28:01 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
An informative article on a sort of "community policing" that local law enforcement and FBI are conducting to counter the radical Islamist threat:

http://www.politico.com...
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3/26/2016 1:17:34 AM
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While I generally agree with you, Islam is a belief, not a race. If there is a belief system that is inherently militaristic, there is at least some logical basis for believing people who support such a system are more susceptible to perpetuating violence than a benign belief system.

That makes sense, but there are elements of the Right that openly advocate violence and tout the use of guns as a suitable remedy to solve problems. Those movements are militaristic, you even have militias that train for the impending government takeover. These groups aren't being called on to be policed. If our fear is potential harm to innocent civilians it would make sense to treat these non-Muslim related threats with similar seriousness.
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3/26/2016 1:21:34 AM
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At 3/26/2016 1:17:34 AM, CurrentlyLeft wrote:

While I generally agree with you, Islam is a belief, not a race. If there is a belief system that is inherently militaristic, there is at least some logical basis for believing people who support such a system are more susceptible to perpetuating violence than a benign belief system.

That makes sense, but there are elements of the Right that openly advocate violence and tout the use of guns as a suitable remedy to solve problems. Those movements are militaristic, you even have militias that train for the impending government takeover. These groups aren't being called on to be policed. If our fear is potential harm to innocent civilians it would make sense to treat these non-Muslim related threats with similar seriousness.

You think that right wing militia groups aren't being watched by the FBI?
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3/26/2016 1:26:06 AM
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You think that right wing militia groups aren't being watched by the FBI?

I think they are aware of those organizations, but I'm simply curious why were aren't policing ALL conservative groups
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3/26/2016 1:37:16 AM
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At 3/26/2016 1:26:06 AM, CurrentlyLeft wrote:
You think that right wing militia groups aren't being watched by the FBI?

I think they are aware of those organizations, but I'm simply curious why were aren't policing ALL conservative groups

Because conservatism isn't inherently militaristic? At least it isn't any more or less militaristic than leftism. I don't agree with the notion that all muslim neighborhoods should be policed more, but if there is evidence that the community attends a mosque that has a radical imam or something, then yes, they should be policed.
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3/26/2016 5:45:09 AM
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At 3/26/2016 12:10:27 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
No, the FBI should be policing wall street, not some street in Dearborn.

They do, so does the SEC.
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3/26/2016 12:49:49 PM
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At 3/26/2016 5:45:09 AM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 3/26/2016 12:10:27 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
No, the FBI should be policing wall street, not some street in Dearborn.

They do, so does the SEC.

They need to do a better job, and I don't think they will be able to do that if they are taken from that to watching every Muslim in America
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3/26/2016 1:28:16 PM
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At 3/26/2016 1:37:16 AM, Objectivity wrote:
At 3/26/2016 1:26:06 AM, CurrentlyLeft wrote:
You think that right wing militia groups aren't being watched by the FBI?

I think they are aware of those organizations, but I'm simply curious why were aren't policing ALL conservative groups

Because conservatism isn't inherently militaristic? At least it isn't any more or less militaristic than leftism. I don't agree with the notion that all muslim neighborhoods should be policed more, but if there is evidence that the community attends a mosque that has a radical imam or something, then yes, they should be policed.

Is Islam inherently militaristic?
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3/26/2016 1:33:06 PM
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At 3/25/2016 11:13:02 PM, CurrentlyLeft wrote:
I don't understand how the Right love to claim liberals want to remove rights and constantly seek to violate the Constitution, but openly advocate the overall surveillance of a particular community. This logic creates the distrust that creates an anti-American sentiment. The ideal approach needs to include members of the Muslim community together with the government working to combat radical forces. If Republicans support such a broad policy of policing in the Muslim community, they should call for all churches to be monitored. Many of those institutions promote hate and advocate armed violence against the state and minorities.

While we all will probably agree it's unethical and wrong, the FBI are going to do it anyways (probably are already).
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3/26/2016 2:51:32 PM
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At 3/26/2016 1:33:06 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 3/25/2016 11:13:02 PM, CurrentlyLeft wrote:
I don't understand how the Right love to claim liberals want to remove rights and constantly seek to violate the Constitution, but openly advocate the overall surveillance of a particular community. This logic creates the distrust that creates an anti-American sentiment. The ideal approach needs to include members of the Muslim community together with the government working to combat radical forces. If Republicans support such a broad policy of policing in the Muslim community, they should call for all churches to be monitored. Many of those institutions promote hate and advocate armed violence against the state and minorities.

While we all will probably agree it's unethical and wrong, the FBI are going to do it anyways (probably are already).

COINTELPRO is alive and well
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3/26/2016 3:35:50 PM
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At 3/25/2016 11:32:39 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/25/2016 11:13:02 PM, CurrentlyLeft wrote:
I don't understand how the Right love to claim liberals want to remove rights and constantly seek to violate the Constitution, but openly advocate the overall surveillance of a particular community. This logic creates the distrust that creates an anti-American sentiment. The ideal approach needs to include members of the Muslim community together with the government working to combat radical forces. If Republicans support such a broad policy of policing in the Muslim community, they should call for all churches to be monitored. Many of those institutions promote hate and advocate armed violence against the state and minorities.

They should police anybody deemed a threat to national security. If the Southern Baptist Convention is screaming "death to America!" In the aisle, they should be policed or moled. But they aren't. Mosques ARE. Any public assembly preaching attacks on America is fair game. Period.

How do police surveillance gang infested areas? They focus on a group and protect everyone around from them.

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3/26/2016 3:51:13 PM
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Obviously, if we were surveiling Muslim neighborhoods at least during the past 4 years of Obama's presidency things like San Bermardino, Marathon bombings, and more wouldn't have happened.

2012.01.15 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim for helping to convert his daughter.

2012.11.12 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity.

2013.02.07 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.

2013.03.24 USA Ashtabula, OH 1 0 A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.

2013.04.15 USA Boston, MA 3 264 Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.

2013.04.19 USA Boston, MA 1 1 Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.

2013.08.04 USA Richmond, CA 1 0 A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.

2014.03.06 USA Port Bolivar, TX 2 0 A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.

2014.04.27 USA Skyway, WA 1 0 A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.

2014.06.01 USA Seattle, WA 2 0 Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.

2014.06.25 USA West Orange, NJ 1 0 A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas.

2014.09.25 USA Moore, OK 1 1 A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.

2014.12.18 USA Morganton, NC 1 0 A 74-year-old man is shot several times in the head by a 'radicalized' ISIS supporter.

2015.07.16 USA Chattanooga, TN 5 2 A 'devout Muslim' stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead.

2015.12.02 USA San Bernardino, CA 14 17 A 'very religious' Muslim shoots up a Christmas party with his wife, leaving fourteen dead.

Let's not forget about that warehouse which was attacked by a Muslim worker killing multiple people, but shot dead as he was in the process of beheading another woman.

Liberals are nothing but apologist who wouldn't care if this country changed over to an United Nations agenda 21 type country.
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3/26/2016 4:19:14 PM
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At 3/25/2016 11:33:52 PM, YYW wrote:
The FBI should not police muslim neighborhoods any differently than they police other neighborhoods.

And if they have intel that the mosque is shouting anti American slogans, funding terrorism, or contributing to terrorism? They'dtarget any other group inguaging in such activities. Liberals have decided rules apply to everyone but Islam. Liberals critisize the church. Do they critisize Islam which is the church times a million and on steroids? Nope. Might insult a minority. Whoah...can't do that. Liberals scream free speech. Then try to block Trump from speaking. They scream human rights for Syrian refugees but don't care that Christians are being genocided throughout the Middle East in mass. Liberalism at its finest.
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3/26/2016 4:35:43 PM
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At 3/26/2016 4:19:14 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/25/2016 11:33:52 PM, YYW wrote:
The FBI should not police muslim neighborhoods any differently than they police other neighborhoods.

And if they have intel that the mosque is shouting anti American slogans, funding terrorism, or contributing to terrorism? They'dtarget any other group inguaging in such activities. Liberals have decided rules apply to everyone but Islam. Liberals critisize the church. Do they critisize Islam which is the church times a million and on steroids? Nope. Might insult a minority. Whoah...can't do that. Liberals scream free speech. Then try to block Trump from speaking. They scream human rights for Syrian refugees but don't care that Christians are being genocided throughout the Middle East in mass. Liberalism at its finest.

No. We can't do that. Taking such actions on these people would be intruding into their personal lives.
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3/26/2016 6:03:50 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/26/2016 12:49:49 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 3/26/2016 5:45:09 AM, AdamEsk wrote:
At 3/26/2016 12:10:27 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
No, the FBI should be policing wall street, not some street in Dearborn.

They do, so does the SEC.

They need to do a better job, and I don't think they will be able to do that if they are taken from that to watching every Muslim in America

If the FBI can't multitask, then they aren't worth the federal funding. Can they do both? Of course. Should they do both? Probably not.

I like Ted Cruz a lot, but I do disagree with him on this. However, I think it is absurd to start calling him a bigot and a fascist because he introduced the idea. The United States has a long history of reacting this way when the nation is threatened.
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3/26/2016 6:05:25 PM
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At 3/26/2016 4:35:43 PM, Haroush wrote:
At 3/26/2016 4:19:14 PM, brontoraptor wrote:

Oh you two are perfect for each other, combined you can share one bedroom and one brain cell XD
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3/26/2016 6:08:50 PM
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At 3/26/2016 6:07:19 PM, Haroush wrote:
@bront, Don't worry about Imab**ch. The he/she it is in my crosshairs.

Aww the baby is throwing a real hissy fit right now aint she? XD
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3/26/2016 6:15:29 PM
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At 3/26/2016 6:08:50 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/26/2016 6:07:19 PM, Haroush wrote:
@bront, Don't worry about Imab**ch. The he/she it is in my crosshairs.

Aww the baby is throwing a real hissy fit right now aint she? XD

I understand you are confused about your own gender, but damn!?! Now you are confused about your age? What happened to you? Did one of your parents hit you in the back of the head with hammer? Or was it both the back and front of your head? That would be more understandable considering your comprehension ability. Let alone your intelligence level.
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3/26/2016 6:17:24 PM
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At 3/26/2016 6:15:29 PM, Haroush wrote:
At 3/26/2016 6:08:50 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/26/2016 6:07:19 PM, Haroush wrote:
@bront, Don't worry about Imab**ch. The he/she it is in my crosshairs.

Aww the baby is throwing a real hissy fit right now aint she? XD

I understand you are confused about your own gender, but damn!?! Now you are confused about your age? What happened to you? Did one of your parents hit you in the back of the head with hammer? Or was it both the back and front of your head? That would be more understandable considering your comprehension ability. Let alone your intelligence level.

No my parents actually love me and aren't disappointed in how much of a loser I turned out to be like you have ;)
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3/26/2016 6:22:34 PM
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At 3/26/2016 6:17:24 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/26/2016 6:15:29 PM, Haroush wrote:
At 3/26/2016 6:08:50 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/26/2016 6:07:19 PM, Haroush wrote:
@bront, Don't worry about Imab**ch. The he/she it is in my crosshairs.

Aww the baby is throwing a real hissy fit right now aint she? XD

I understand you are confused about your own gender, but damn!?! Now you are confused about your age? What happened to you? Did one of your parents hit you in the back of the head with hammer? Or was it both the back and front of your head? That would be more understandable considering your comprehension ability. Let alone your intelligence level.

No my parents actually love me and aren't disappointed in how much of a loser I turned out to be like you have ;)

Oh, your imagination. You use it for such dark reasons, but never for enlightenment.
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3/26/2016 6:30:04 PM
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At 3/26/2016 6:22:34 PM, Haroush wrote:
At 3/26/2016 6:17:24 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/26/2016 6:15:29 PM, Haroush wrote:
At 3/26/2016 6:08:50 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/26/2016 6:07:19 PM, Haroush wrote:
@bront, Don't worry about Imab**ch. The he/she it is in my crosshairs.

Aww the baby is throwing a real hissy fit right now aint she? XD

I understand you are confused about your own gender, but damn!?! Now you are confused about your age? What happened to you? Did one of your parents hit you in the back of the head with hammer? Or was it both the back and front of your head? That would be more understandable considering your comprehension ability. Let alone your intelligence level.

No my parents actually love me and aren't disappointed in how much of a loser I turned out to be like you have ;)

Oh, your imagination. You use it for such dark reasons, but never for enlightenment.

What's the most prestigious high school you've flunked out of? ;)
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