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Shortcomings of democracy

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3/27/2016 6:40:33 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 6:38:11 PM, UUU wrote:
In your opinion, what are they?

People who vote can be quite the idiots
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3/27/2016 8:41:28 PM
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I can think of at least two. One of the problems is inherent to democracy while the other just happens to be true of our society. First, in a democracy there's no incentive for people to inform themselves before voting. People are not rewarded for making intelligent decisions and they're not punished for their incompetence, because the role they play in the democratic process is virtually undetectable, and there's no easy way to get around this. Second, the average voter is simply not smart enough to make sense of all the information they're bombarded with, nor do most people take an interest in educating themselves about important topics. I'm not criticizing them; this task is beyond the reach of even most of the people we regard as our intellectuals, given how often great thinkers disagree on things (logically, whenever there's disagreement, someone has to be wrong, except as regards subjective matters). They don't approach the task of voting like a scientist, as they should, they approach it like someone who's giving relationship advice to a friend. Nor does the problem end there, as intelligence and information alone are not enough; people need to approach issues in a rational and fair way, which is something even geniuses struggle with. I mean, would we blame someone if they alone were responsible for setting policy, and made many mistakes along the way? I would hope not. Increasing the number of decision makers does not automatically mean better outcomes in this regard; the intelligence of the group might not far exceed that of any single member, which is a problem, because the average person can't be counted on to think at the required levels of complexity, nor even perceive the problems this causes.
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3/27/2016 8:51:13 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
-Too divisive
-A majority vote doesn't necessarily mean a wise one.
-Inefficient and slow policy making.
-Term limits may impede the long term policies of any high government positions (Prime Minister,President, Consul et cetera)
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3/27/2016 9:16:26 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
People who have no skin in the game are making voting decisions.

You have situations where people vote solely on the basis of what they can forcefully take from another voter. There is no motivation to promote a unified community.
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3/27/2016 9:34:05 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 6:38:11 PM, UUU wrote:
In your opinion, what are they?

Uninformed populace, reactionary populace, tyranny of the majority, things cannot get done due to gridlock, polarizing populace, and too much voter apathy.
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3/28/2016 12:07:36 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 6:38:11 PM, UUU wrote:
In your opinion, what are they?

Too much red tape. The ideal government is an absolute monarchy if the monarch is good and pure in heart, but with flawed men, we can never give that kind of authority to someone because the monarch will at some point show to be bad, evil, a tyrant, etc. Thus, democracy is the best option in reality.
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3/28/2016 3:07:50 AM
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Conventional Democracy is an inherently "winner-take-all" system. If 60% of the population is in the Red Group and 40% of the population is in the Blue Group, the Red Group could very well control 100% of the government instead of 60%.
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3/28/2016 3:18:02 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/28/2016 3:07:50 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Conventional Democracy is an inherently "winner-take-all" system. If 60% of the population is in the Red Group and 40% of the population is in the Blue Group, the Red Group could very well control 100% of the government instead of 60%.

Or even less in a 3 party system.
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3/28/2016 3:20:47 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 6:38:11 PM, UUU wrote:
In your opinion, what are they?

The majority imposes it's will on the minority even though they disagree. It's basically mob rule, disagree and be sent to jail.
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3/28/2016 11:12:15 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/28/2016 3:20:47 AM, Midnight1131 wrote:
At 3/27/2016 6:38:11 PM, UUU wrote:
In your opinion, what are they?

The majority imposes it's will on the minority even though they disagree. It's basically mob rule, disagree and be sent to jail.

That is the beauty of the US system, filibuster, every state regardless of population gets 2 senators, the electoral college are all features that give the minority some power and need to be protected at all costs.
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3/28/2016 12:59:07 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 6:38:11 PM, UUU wrote:
In your opinion, what are they?

I am a fascist

Democracy's major defeat and futility is that while there can be a large proportion of the population are intellectuals the majority vote could be from the stupid ones
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3/28/2016 11:30:15 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 6:38:11 PM, UUU wrote:
In your opinion, what are they?

I suppose it takes much longer to come to a decision.
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3/28/2016 11:34:46 PM
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Actual democracy or pseudo-democracy (representative democracy)?

The latter is much, much worse.
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