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3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.
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3/30/2016 3:25:13 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

"If it happens that I do not win that process, would I run outside of the system?" Sanders said in the interview broadcast by C-SPAN. "No, I made the promise that I would not and I will keep that promise. And the reason for that is I do not want to be responsible for electing some right-wing Republican to be president of the United States."

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.
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3/30/2016 3:27:55 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 3:25:13 PM, vortex86 wrote:
At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

"If it happens that I do not win that process, would I run outside of the system?" Sanders said in the interview broadcast by C-SPAN. "No, I made the promise that I would not and I will keep that promise. And the reason for that is I do not want to be responsible for electing some right-wing Republican to be president of the United States."

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.

Trump made that promise too. Yet he's still gone back on it numerous times. So Sanders could as well. Especially since Trump isn't even right-wing.
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3/30/2016 3:29:18 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

I agree, this is fvcked up. But 4 years of Trump would be net bad
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3/30/2016 3:36:12 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 3:27:55 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2016 3:25:13 PM, vortex86 wrote:
At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

"If it happens that I do not win that process, would I run outside of the system?" Sanders said in the interview broadcast by C-SPAN. "No, I made the promise that I would not and I will keep that promise. And the reason for that is I do not want to be responsible for electing some right-wing Republican to be president of the United States."

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.

Trump made that promise too. Yet he's still gone back on it numerous times.

Source? He made the promise that he would support the nominee if the party treated him fairly. The party has not.
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3/30/2016 3:50:02 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 3:36:12 PM, ShabShoral wrote:
At 3/30/2016 3:27:55 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2016 3:25:13 PM, vortex86 wrote:
At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

"If it happens that I do not win that process, would I run outside of the system?" Sanders said in the interview broadcast by C-SPAN. "No, I made the promise that I would not and I will keep that promise. And the reason for that is I do not want to be responsible for electing some right-wing Republican to be president of the United States."

Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.

Trump made that promise too. Yet he's still gone back on it numerous times.

Source? He made the promise that he would support the nominee if the party treated him fairly. The party has not.

"I will be totally pledging my allegiance to the Republican Party...I have no intention of changing my mind. I see no circumstances under which I would tear up that pledge."

http://www.theguardian.com...

A few months later...

"If I'm treated fairly, I'm fine.......We'll see what happens."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com...

And a few months later...

"As far as I'm concerned, they're in default on their pledge."

http://spectator.org...
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3/30/2016 3:50:35 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 3:29:18 PM, Hayd wrote:
At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

I agree, this is fvcked up. But 4 years of Trump would be net bad

Net bad for the fvcked up establishment, you mean.
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3/30/2016 4:12:50 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 3:50:35 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:

I agree, this is fvcked up. But 4 years of Trump would be net bad

Net bad for the fvcked up establishment, you mean.

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3/30/2016 4:22:08 PM
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Yeah, didn't Clinton end up with more delegates than Sanders in New Hampshire even though he totally wiped the floor with her?

It's kind of weird how f*cked up the democratic system is compared to the Republican system. Totally obscure caucus rules, massive amounts of super delegates, and EVERY state being proportional. WTF is up with that? I like it because it keeps Sanders in the race so I have something to watch on that side, but what if you had three viable candidates running?
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3/30/2016 4:36:30 PM
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If it's any consolation, the GOP will probably nominate John Kasich.
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3/30/2016 4:41:45 PM
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At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

Lol its fun to see Bernie fans whine just because they dont get their way.
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3/30/2016 4:46:05 PM
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At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

You can't say f*ck it. You'll hurt someone's feelings, offend someone, and somehow get labled a racist bigot. Lol
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3/30/2016 5:06:31 PM
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The whole voting system has turned into a mess. Hopefully this is the beginning of the elimination of the two party system. Not having a candidate from either party that's palatable is a growing trend which keeps people from voting. Does their vote really matter anyway?
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3/30/2016 5:14:37 PM
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At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

Thanks for bringing up this very educational yet disturbing fact of Democratic politics. It looks as though the GOP does not share in the superdelegate methodology. Now, I am a bit more cynical about the highly entrenched nature of our current presidential selection process than I was before. The old platitude holds firm here:

"It's not what you know, but who you know."

And a not-so-old saying:

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3/30/2016 5:56:01 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 4:22:08 PM, thett3 wrote:
Yeah, didn't Clinton end up with more delegates than Sanders in New Hampshire even though he totally wiped the floor with her?

I think so, although I'm not actually sure on this one.

It's kind of weird how f*cked up the democratic system is compared to the Republican system. Totally obscure caucus rules, massive amounts of super delegates, and EVERY state being proportional. WTF is up with that? I like it because it keeps Sanders in the race so I have something to watch on that side, but what if you had three viable candidates running?

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3/30/2016 5:56:19 PM
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At 3/30/2016 4:36:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
If it's any consolation, the GOP will probably nominate John Kasich.

That would be a nice consolation, actually.
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3/30/2016 5:57:08 PM
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At 3/30/2016 4:41:45 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

Lol its fun to see Bernie fans whine just because they dont get their way.

Superdelegates have always been undemocratic. This is just ridiculous.
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3/30/2016 5:57:57 PM
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At 3/30/2016 5:14:37 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

Thanks for bringing up this very educational yet disturbing fact of Democratic politics. It looks as though the GOP does not share in the superdelegate methodology. Now, I am a bit more cynical about the highly entrenched nature of our current presidential selection process than I was before. The old platitude holds firm here:

"It's not what you know, but who you know."

And a not-so-old saying:

"It's not who you know, but what you know on who!"

I agree. It's tragic what a farce US politics have become.
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3/30/2016 5:59:22 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 5:58:20 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:13:33 PM, YYW wrote:
Hillary must not win.

Unless Cruz gets nominated, I agree.

Cruz won't get it. It will be Trump or Kasich.
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3/30/2016 6:00:23 PM
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At 3/30/2016 5:59:22 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:58:20 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:13:33 PM, YYW wrote:
Hillary must not win.

Unless Cruz gets nominated, I agree.

Cruz won't get it. It will be Trump or Kasich.

With US politics today, it's advantageous never to underestimate the stupidity people might stoop to. Especially when it's party elites.
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3/30/2016 6:03:08 PM
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At 3/30/2016 5:56:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2016 4:36:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
If it's any consolation, the GOP will probably nominate John Kasich.

That would be a nice consolation, actually.

Why?
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3/30/2016 6:04:36 PM
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At 3/30/2016 6:03:08 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:56:19 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2016 4:36:30 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
If it's any consolation, the GOP will probably nominate John Kasich.

That would be a nice consolation, actually.

Why?

Cause Kasich is a good man and a decent politician. He's not an ideological nutjob, and he's the only one of the current Republican candidates to actually sound presidential.
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3/30/2016 6:09:32 PM
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At 3/30/2016 6:00:23 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:59:22 PM, YYW wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:58:20 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:13:33 PM, YYW wrote:
Hillary must not win.

Unless Cruz gets nominated, I agree.

Cruz won't get it. It will be Trump or Kasich.

With US politics today, it's advantageous never to underestimate the stupidity people might stoop to. Especially when it's party elites.

I agree, but if there's brokered convention then it's going to Kasich. If no brokered convention, it's going to Trump.

If it's Bernie v. any person, I vote for Bernie.

If it's Hillary v. any republican other than Trump, I vote for Hillary.

If it's Hillary v. Trump, I vote Trump.

I think it will be Hillary v. Trump, though; and I will look forward to January 20 when we're inaugurating President Donald J. Trump.
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3/30/2016 6:09:40 PM
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At 3/30/2016 5:57:08 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2016 4:41:45 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

Lol its fun to see Bernie fans whine just because they dont get their way.

Superdelegates have always been undemocratic. This is just ridiculous.

Hillary has gotten more actual delegates than Sanders has..... It would be undemocratic for Superdelegates to support Sanders over Hillary at this point since 2 and a half million more voters prefer Hillary to Bernie.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...
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3/30/2016 6:29:29 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 6:09:40 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:57:08 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2016 4:41:45 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

Lol its fun to see Bernie fans whine just because they dont get their way.

Superdelegates have always been undemocratic. This is just ridiculous.

Hillary has gotten more actual delegates than Sanders has..... It would be undemocratic for Superdelegates to support Sanders over Hillary at this point since 2 and a half million more voters prefer Hillary to Bernie.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

This is true, but does not negate that the Super Delegate construct is inherently undemocratic. Hillary will get the Dem nomination. Trump, I think he's moving toward self destruction. Between the penis references, Cruz wife jabs and violence at his conventions it's a matter of time before he really sticks his foot in the big sh#t. Cruz won't get the nomination either, the party hates him as much as Trump.
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3/30/2016 6:45:58 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 5:14:37 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

Thanks for bringing up this very educational yet disturbing fact of Democratic politics. It looks as though the GOP does not share in the superdelegate methodology. Now, I am a bit more cynical about the highly entrenched nature of our current presidential selection process than I was before. The old platitude holds firm here:

"It's not what you know, but who you know."

And a not-so-old saying:

"It's not who you know, but what you know on who!"

Look. I don"t like Clinton, and at this point am so upset with her that I may just not vote the top of the ticket at all. Last time around, the super delegate mess favored Clinton too. It was frustrating, but I came to an uneasy truce with the system.

Why. This is the party, not the people. Demanding democracy from the party Is not entirely fair. The "insiders" are the people who have worked hard within the very party, and have every reason to have "more say" in a nominee. They have a very vested reason to help guide the party they work so hard for, not let it get "hijacked" like is happening on the GOP side.

Just because it is not benefiting my candidate this time, or the last time this was an issue, is no reason to get upset about the reason for the super-delegate, or mock their function.
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3/30/2016 6:52:51 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 6:45:58 PM, TBR wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:14:37 PM, Fly wrote:
At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

Thanks for bringing up this very educational yet disturbing fact of Democratic politics. It looks as though the GOP does not share in the superdelegate methodology. Now, I am a bit more cynical about the highly entrenched nature of our current presidential selection process than I was before. The old platitude holds firm here:

"It's not what you know, but who you know."

And a not-so-old saying:

"It's not who you know, but what you know on who!"

Look. I don"t like Clinton, and at this point am so upset with her that I may just not vote the top of the ticket at all. Last time around, the super delegate mess favored Clinton too. It was frustrating, but I came to an uneasy truce with the system.

Why. This is the party, not the people. Demanding democracy from the party Is not entirely fair. The "insiders" are the people who have worked hard within the very party, and have every reason to have "more say" in a nominee. They have a very vested reason to help guide the party they work so hard for, not let it get "hijacked" like is happening on the GOP side.

Just because it is not benefiting my candidate this time, or the last time this was an issue, is no reason to get upset about the reason for the super-delegate, or mock their function.

The purpose of the Super delegate is to promote the party's choice, which might not align with the people's choice. It's all insider pandering at it's best.
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3/30/2016 6:53:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/30/2016 6:09:40 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/30/2016 5:57:08 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 3/30/2016 4:41:45 PM, imabench wrote:
At 3/30/2016 3:20:02 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
So as many of you know, Sanders won Washington 72.7 - 27.1. Yet all 17 super delegates have either reaffirmed themselves to Clinton or stayed neutral. Similarly, Sanders won Idaho 78-21. Yet every single superdelegate in Idaho stayed committed to Clinton. And now the same thing is happening in New York where, even if Sanders pulls out a miracle and wins, many superdelegate there have claimed that there are no circumstances under which they would switch from supporting Clinton to Sanders. This is nothing but a huge f*ck you to democracy and to the citizens of Washington, Idaho, and New York, if not the United States. This is disgusting.

So I say, screw it. I pray Sanders runs as an Independent and tanks Clinton's chances of winning. The system is rotten to the core. 4 years of President Trump ought to restore some sense and rationality in people. Then we can start again.

Lol its fun to see Bernie fans whine just because they dont get their way.

Superdelegates have always been undemocratic. This is just ridiculous.

Hillary has gotten more actual delegates than Sanders has..... It would be undemocratic for Superdelegates to support Sanders over Hillary at this point since 2 and a half million more voters prefer Hillary to Bernie.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

At a cursory glance, it looks like the southern Democrat demographic is giving Clinton a commanding lead. This makes Obama's triumph in 2008 all the more remarkable.
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