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lewis20
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11/21/2010 3:20:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Anyone seen this article about how smoking is helpful to an economy?
If you agree with the findings or not it's interesting to think about.

The report done in the Czech Republic basically says that allowing smoking turns an economic profit to the government. Money made by boosting tax revenue, dying early, and not drawing a pension outweighed costs incurred by smoking.

http://www.mindfully.org...
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11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM
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Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks. Something bad becomes something good and something good becomes something bad.
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11/21/2010 3:26:15 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 3:20:45 PM, lewis20 wrote:
Anyone seen this article about how smoking is helpful to an economy?
If you agree with the findings or not it's interesting to think about.

The report done in the Czech Republic basically says that allowing smoking turns an economic profit to the government. Money made by boosting tax revenue, dying early, and not drawing a pension outweighed costs incurred by smoking.

http://www.mindfully.org...
The government cannot profit. I assume this means the government is able to steal more from it's citizens without giving as much back to them. I don't see how this could be interpreted as a boon to the economy.
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11/21/2010 3:27:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks. Something bad becomes something good and something good becomes something bad.

Why are cigarettes bad?
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11/21/2010 3:30:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I was more pointing out by letting people die earlier, you save the government a lot of money, and assuming the government doesn't pay for these peoples healthcare they don't have much to lose.

It was just something to think about.
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11/21/2010 3:32:17 PM
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At 11/21/2010 3:27:47 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks. Something bad becomes something good and something good becomes something bad.

Why are cigarettes bad?

Haha...well, there's that whole lung-cancer thing.
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11/21/2010 3:34:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 3:32:17 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:27:47 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks. Something bad becomes something good and something good becomes something bad.

Why are cigarettes bad?

Haha...well, there's that whole lung-cancer thing.

Lol.
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11/21/2010 3:35:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 3:27:47 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks. Something bad becomes something good and something good becomes something bad.

Why are cigarettes bad?

Are you f*cking kidding me? Why don't you go smoke, right now and then tell me there's nothing wrong with cigarettes.
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11/21/2010 4:13:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 3:32:17 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:27:47 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks. Something bad becomes something good and something good becomes something bad.

Why are cigarettes bad?

Haha...well, there's that whole lung-cancer thing.
I meant it economically.
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11/21/2010 4:13:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 3:35:50 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:27:47 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks. Something bad becomes something good and something good becomes something bad.

Why are cigarettes bad?

Are you f*cking kidding me? Why don't you go smoke, right now and then tell me there's nothing wrong with cigarettes.
Refer to my post above.
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11/21/2010 4:17:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 4:13:31 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:32:17 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:27:47 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks. Something bad becomes something good and something good becomes something bad.

Why are cigarettes bad?

Haha...well, there's that whole lung-cancer thing.
I meant it economically.

That's exactly what I was talking about. Capitalism turns smoking, something bad physically, into something good economically. This means that bad physical habits are promoted by the system.
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11/21/2010 4:27:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 4:17:31 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 4:13:31 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:32:17 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:27:47 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks. Something bad becomes something good and something good becomes something bad.

Why are cigarettes bad?

Haha...well, there's that whole lung-cancer thing.
I meant it economically.

That's exactly what I was talking about. Capitalism turns the sale of cigarettes, something neutral physically, into something good economically. This means that no physical habits are promoted by the system.
Fix'd your post.
I miss the old members.
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11/21/2010 4:29:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 4:27:58 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 4:17:31 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 4:13:31 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:32:17 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:27:47 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks. Something bad becomes something good and something good becomes something bad.

Why are cigarettes bad?

Haha...well, there's that whole lung-cancer thing.
I meant it economically.

That's exactly what I was talking about. Capitalism turns the sale of cigarettes, something neutral physically, into something good economically. This means that no physical habits are promoted by the system.
Fix'd your post.

Care to debate whether cigarettes are harmful to one's health?
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11/21/2010 4:30:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 4:29:27 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 4:27:58 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 4:17:31 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 4:13:31 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:32:17 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:27:47 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks. Something bad becomes something good and something good becomes something bad.

Why are cigarettes bad?

Haha...well, there's that whole lung-cancer thing.
I meant it economically.

That's exactly what I was talking about. Capitalism turns the sale of cigarettes, something neutral physically, into something good economically. This means that no physical habits are promoted by the system.
Fix'd your post.

Care to debate whether cigarettes are harmful to one's health?

That's not what he's saying at all.
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
lewis20
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11/21/2010 4:30:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 4:17:31 PM, FREEDO wrote:
That's exactly what I was talking about. Capitalism turns smoking, something bad physically, into something good economically. This means that bad physical habits are promoted by the system.

Capitalism promotes smoking? come on now
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11/21/2010 4:31:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 4:29:27 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 4:27:58 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 4:17:31 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 4:13:31 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:32:17 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:27:47 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks. Something bad becomes something good and something good becomes something bad.

Why are cigarettes bad?

Haha...well, there's that whole lung-cancer thing.
I meant it economically.

That's exactly what I was talking about. Capitalism turns the sale of cigarettes, something neutral physically, into something good economically. This means that no physical habits are promoted by the system.
Fix'd your post.

Care to debate whether cigarettes are harmful to one's health?
I could go semantically, and then say that cigarettes alone will not harm anyone's health without prior interaction with them.
But no, I'd rather not.
I miss the old members.
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11/21/2010 4:33:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 4:17:31 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 4:13:31 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:32:17 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:27:47 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks. Something bad becomes something good and something good becomes something bad.

Why are cigarettes bad?

Haha...well, there's that whole lung-cancer thing.
I meant it economically.

That's exactly what I was talking about. Capitalism turns smoking, something bad physically, into something good economically. This means that bad physical habits are promoted by the system.
The article discusses smoking's effects on government, which is the opposite of capitalism. It increases taxes and decreasing health spending. It isn't actually good for the economy. If anything, this shows the perverse incentives of government, not capitalism. It certainly sheds light on things like DARE, which has been shown to actually make kids more likely to do drugs.
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11/21/2010 9:49:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 4:17:31 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 4:13:31 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:32:17 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:27:47 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks. Something bad becomes something good and something good becomes something bad.

Why are cigarettes bad?

Haha...well, there's that whole lung-cancer thing.
I meant it economically.

That's exactly what I was talking about. Capitalism turns smoking, something bad physically, into something good economically. This means that bad physical habits are promoted by the system.

meh. the laws actually punish individual smokers by taxing them highly but since they are addicted they are willing to pay it. it has nothing to do with capitalism really; its more the government taking advantage of people's bad habits and the voters letting them do it because of their disdain for smokers (and possibly a misguided belief that higher prices will make them quit)
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11/21/2010 9:52:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 4:30:55 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 11/21/2010 4:17:31 PM, FREEDO wrote:
That's exactly what I was talking about. Capitalism turns smoking, something bad physically, into something good economically. This means that bad physical habits are promoted by the system.

Capitalism promotes smoking? come on now

Not intrinsically, but it creates many fundamental mis-alignments of interests. One, out of a virtual infinite amount of them, is that a company can decide to market cigarettes to you to increase profit. So their interest in profit affects your interest in health.
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11/21/2010 9:54:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 9:52:37 PM, Caramel wrote:
At 11/21/2010 4:30:55 PM, lewis20 wrote:
At 11/21/2010 4:17:31 PM, FREEDO wrote:
That's exactly what I was talking about. Capitalism turns smoking, something bad physically, into something good economically. This means that bad physical habits are promoted by the system.

Capitalism promotes smoking? come on now

Not intrinsically, but it creates many fundamental mis-alignments of interests. One, out of a virtual infinite amount of them, is that a company can decide to market cigarettes to you to increase profit. So their interest in profit affects your interest in health.

Would you rather they were illegal?
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11/21/2010 10:09:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks.

Debate me on it.

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11/21/2010 10:11:23 PM
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Hey, the only crappy thing I see about Capitalism is the potential for monopolies and the fact the poor have fewer support systems, but then again more people would be donating to charity. Well, and the fact that they make things like smoking look good just to get money.
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11/21/2010 10:13:21 PM
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At 11/21/2010 10:11:23 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Hey, the only crappy thing I see about Capitalism is the potential for monopolies and the fact the poor have fewer support systems, but then again more people would be donating to charity. Well, and the fact that they make things like smoking look good just to get money.

No they don't.....I'm pissed off because of how much they seem to ATTACK smokers. Their choice, they live with potential cancer. Liklihood of me getting cancer from eating chiken is higher tho.
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11/21/2010 10:14:25 PM
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Can't wait to get home and toke up.
Smoking for teh win.
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11/21/2010 10:15:11 PM
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At 11/21/2010 10:11:23 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Hey, the only crappy thing I see about Capitalism is the potential for monopolies

Negligible.

and the fact the poor have fewer support systems, but then again more people would be donating to charity.

Also, less government = more jobs.

Well, and the fact that they make things like smoking look good just to get money.

So don't smoke. No one's forcing you to.
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11/21/2010 10:15:33 PM
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At 11/21/2010 10:13:21 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 11/21/2010 10:11:23 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Hey, the only crappy thing I see about Capitalism is the potential for monopolies and the fact the poor have fewer support systems, but then again more people would be donating to charity. Well, and the fact that they make things like smoking look good just to get money.

No they don't.....I'm pissed off because of how much they seem to ATTACK smokers. Their choice, they live with potential cancer. Liklihood of me getting cancer from eating chiken is higher tho.

They do though. Why isn't smoking banned? It's a massive money-maker. There are less harmful things that are banned such as Marijuana.
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11/21/2010 10:17:27 PM
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At 11/21/2010 10:15:11 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:

Also, less government = more jobs.

I know, which is why I think the government should stay out of business. Have you read my debate with Anarcho? It's basic stuff, but it gets the point across.
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11/21/2010 10:17:52 PM
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At 11/21/2010 10:15:33 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 11/21/2010 10:13:21 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 11/21/2010 10:11:23 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Hey, the only crappy thing I see about Capitalism is the potential for monopolies and the fact the poor have fewer support systems, but then again more people would be donating to charity. Well, and the fact that they make things like smoking look good just to get money.

No they don't.....I'm pissed off because of how much they seem to ATTACK smokers. Their choice, they live with potential cancer. Liklihood of me getting cancer from eating chiken is higher tho.

They do though. Why isn't smoking banned? It's a massive money-maker. There are less harmful things that are banned such as Marijuana.

Because our rights should not be comprimised. If we want to risk our life so be it. As for pot, there is no reason for it and it wontbe banned in 10 years.
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11/21/2010 10:19:22 PM
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At 11/21/2010 10:15:33 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 11/21/2010 10:13:21 PM, lovelife wrote:
At 11/21/2010 10:11:23 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Hey, the only crappy thing I see about Capitalism is the potential for monopolies and the fact the poor have fewer support systems, but then again more people would be donating to charity. Well, and the fact that they make things like smoking look good just to get money.

No they don't.....I'm pissed off because of how much they seem to ATTACK smokers. Their choice, they live with potential cancer. Liklihood of me getting cancer from eating chiken is higher tho.

They do though. Why isn't smoking banned? It's a massive money-maker. There are less harmful things that are banned such as Marijuana.

meh. alcohol was a HUGE money maker and they still banned it back in the day. its because the cultural tides aren't against it. back then drinking was considered evil. nowadays smoking is just considered dumb... and in fact it IS banned in most public places (where it can do damage to innocent bystanders). pot is illegal on the other hand because theres a huge cultural legacy of it being demonized. you think it wouldn't be a big moneymaker? they could probably tax it and mark it up even more than cigarettes.
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11/21/2010 10:19:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 10:09:31 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
At 11/21/2010 3:24:26 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Precisely another reason Capitalism sucks.

Debate me on it.

I'm taking on Cerebral_Narcissist on the existence of God (devil's advocacy), then either theLwerd on free will or Freeman on animal rights. Once those are out of the way, I'll be free.

Sure. Let me now when that is.
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