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What's so bad about Trump, really?

SpiritandTruth
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4/11/2016 1:47:23 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
I see a big difference in what the guy says, and what people say that he says. I don't get the impression that he's really a racist or a nazi. I see a lot of propaganda, so what's the real deal? Why wouldn't he be worth a shot? If not him, who else and why?
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/11/2016 1:50:07 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 1:47:23 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
I see a big difference in what the guy says, and what people say that he says. I don't get the impression that he's really a racist or a nazi. I see a lot of propaganda, so what's the real deal? Why wouldn't he be worth a shot? If not him, who else and why?

ooh don't even get me started
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4/11/2016 1:51:08 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
I would encourage you to get started.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/11/2016 1:53:36 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 1:50:07 AM, Sam7411 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 1:47:23 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
I see a big difference in what the guy says, and what people say that he says. I don't get the impression that he's really a racist or a nazi. I see a lot of propaganda, so what's the real deal? Why wouldn't he be worth a shot? If not him, who else and why?

ooh don't even get me started

let's just say this: I guy who has such low self esteem that he continues to send letters to a magazine circling the size of his fingers with a gold sharpie-which btw costs the same as any other sharpie-does not and should not be pres
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4/11/2016 2:03:15 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
That seems like an odd way of measuring things, but I think it was funny that he would respond to it. Adds kind of a WWE flavor to politics.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/11/2016 2:05:48 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 2:03:15 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
That seems like an odd way of measuring things, but I think it was funny that he would respond to it. Adds kind of a WWE flavor to politics.

Good analogy, come to think of it. WWE is fake, sexist, gaudy, and appeals to a lot of unintelligent/crazy people-just like Trump
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4/11/2016 2:06:43 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
I don't think he sounds crazy or unintelligent.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/11/2016 2:08:14 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 2:06:43 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
I don't think he sounds crazy or unintelligent.

a: he does b:I was referring to many of his supporters
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4/11/2016 2:11:29 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 1:47:23 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
I see a lot of propaganda, so what's the real deal?
He says stuff our Reliable Informers don't like.

Why wouldn't he be worth a shot? If not him, who else and why?
Because he won't fellatiate the Cathedral.

If not him, who else and why?
Some Real Conservative like Rubio or Jeb, maybe.
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4/11/2016 2:11:31 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Well, he's certainly gaudy, I'll give you that.

I think he'd be a good negotiator. He makes a lot of sense to me. You aren't really convincing me. It doesn't seem like you've put a lot of thought into your opinion.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/11/2016 2:13:08 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 2:08:14 AM, Sam7411 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 2:06:43 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
I don't think he sounds crazy or unintelligent.

a: he does b:I was referring to many of his supporters

'I"m telling you, I used to use the word incompetent. Now I just call them stupid. I went to an Ivy League school. I"m very highly educated. I know words, I have the best words...but there is no better word than stupid. Right?'-Trump
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4/11/2016 2:14:14 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
I look around and see how people behave. I can't judge the dude for how he chooses to communicate.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/11/2016 2:15:13 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Actually, I like the way he communicates. I've watched his speeches, and he is very lucid. He is very convincing.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/11/2016 2:16:20 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 2:14:14 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
I look around and see how people behave. I can't judge the dude for how he chooses to communicate.

Yes you can, in fact that is one of the most important things you should recognize
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4/11/2016 2:17:12 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
I have yet to see compelling evidence of Trump's racism, and he gives me the complete opposite impression by the things he says.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/11/2016 2:18:21 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 2:17:12 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
I have yet to see compelling evidence of Trump's racism, and he gives me the complete opposite impression by the things he says.

He supports having borders and, possibly, stopping mass muslim and hispanic migration to the west (which has been incredibly successful). Basically Hitler.
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4/11/2016 2:18:54 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Well--one thing is that he's essentially promoted policies that, in reality, will not be able to bought into fruition; this includes making Mexico pay for a wall reaching 1000 miles, introducing a temporary ban on Muslims, etc.

Another criticism (for some) would be his disregard of global warming--which for obvious reasons, is categorized as a pretty important topic.
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4/11/2016 2:20:05 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 2:18:54 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well--one thing is that he's essentially promoted policies that, in reality, will not be able to bought into fruition; this includes making Mexico pay for a wall reaching 1000 miles, introducing a temporary ban on Muslims, etc.

What kind of lunatic would question mass Muslim Migration and propose protecting a border?!


Another criticism (for some) would be his disregard of global warming--which for obvious reasons, is categorized as a pretty important topic.
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4/11/2016 2:20:39 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 2:17:12 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
I have yet to see compelling evidence of Trump's racism, and he gives me the complete opposite impression by the things he says.

Ok so... Trump is a salesman. There is no denying it. He has years of experience selling and licencing products, and he shapes his speech around the idea of being approachable, right?
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4/11/2016 2:21:03 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 1:47:23 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
I see a big difference in what the guy says, and what people say that he says. I don't get the impression that he's really a racist or a nazi. I see a lot of propaganda, so what's the real deal? Why wouldn't he be worth a shot? If not him, who else and why?

He wants to stop people legally coming into the country who are muslim. That is purposely discriminating against people based on nothing but their religion. That directly violates the most fundamental of human rights. Its fvcked up
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4/11/2016 2:21:28 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 2:18:54 AM, Emilrose wrote:
Well--one thing is that he's essentially promoted policies that, in reality, will not be able to bought into fruition; this includes making Mexico pay for a wall reaching 1000 miles, introducing a temporary ban on Muslims, etc.

Another criticism (for some) would be his disregard of global warming--which for obvious reasons, is categorized as a pretty important topic.

"It"s freezing and snowing in New York " we need global warming!"
-Trump
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4/11/2016 2:21:32 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 1:53:36 AM, Sam7411 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 1:50:07 AM, Sam7411 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 1:47:23 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
I see a big difference in what the guy says, and what people say that he says. I don't get the impression that he's really a racist or a nazi. I see a lot of propaganda, so what's the real deal? Why wouldn't he be worth a shot? If not him, who else and why?

ooh don't even get me started

let's just say this: I guy who has such low self esteem that he continues to send letters to a magazine circling the size of his fingers with a gold sharpie-which btw costs the same as any other sharpie-does not and should not be pres

Lmao, I saw that too. I think it was john oliver lol
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4/11/2016 2:22:19 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 2:21:03 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 4/11/2016 1:47:23 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
I see a big difference in what the guy says, and what people say that he says. I don't get the impression that he's really a racist or a nazi. I see a lot of propaganda, so what's the real deal? Why wouldn't he be worth a shot? If not him, who else and why?

He wants to stop people legally coming into the country who are muslim. That is purposely discriminating against people based on nothing but their religion. That directly violates the most fundamental of human rights. Its fvcked up

And, as anyone from Paris or Brussels will tell you, Muslim immigration is a huge positive for a country. Anyone who questions it just a racist Islamaphobe Hitler.
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4/11/2016 2:22:26 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 2:21:32 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 4/11/2016 1:53:36 AM, Sam7411 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 1:50:07 AM, Sam7411 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 1:47:23 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
I see a big difference in what the guy says, and what people say that he says. I don't get the impression that he's really a racist or a nazi. I see a lot of propaganda, so what's the real deal? Why wouldn't he be worth a shot? If not him, who else and why?

ooh don't even get me started

let's just say this: I guy who has such low self esteem that he continues to send letters to a magazine circling the size of his fingers with a gold sharpie-which btw costs the same as any other sharpie-does not and should not be pres

Lmao, I saw that too. I think it was john oliver lol

yeeess #makedonalddrumpfagain
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4/11/2016 2:22:30 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 2:11:31 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:

When you are replying to what someone said, hit reply to post, not add post. That way we know what you are replying to, and the person gets a notification
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4/11/2016 2:22:43 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 2:22:26 AM, Sam7411 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 2:21:32 AM, Hayd wrote:
At 4/11/2016 1:53:36 AM, Sam7411 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 1:50:07 AM, Sam7411 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 1:47:23 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
I see a big difference in what the guy says, and what people say that he says. I don't get the impression that he's really a racist or a nazi. I see a lot of propaganda, so what's the real deal? Why wouldn't he be worth a shot? If not him, who else and why?

ooh don't even get me started

let's just say this: I guy who has such low self esteem that he continues to send letters to a magazine circling the size of his fingers with a gold sharpie-which btw costs the same as any other sharpie-does not and should not be pres

Lmao, I saw that too. I think it was john oliver lol

yeeess #makedonalddrumpfagain

YESSS
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4/11/2016 2:24:08 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
I don't get the impression from what I hear Trump saying that he plans on stopping any type of legal immigration. It seems to me like he wants people to immigrate here, but legally. He also seems to me based on the things I heard him say that he realizes there are a lot of problems with how immigration is handled.

Donald Trump does respect national borders, but I'm not sure why that would be wrong. Isn't that just the way things are?
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/11/2016 2:25:19 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 2:24:08 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
I don't get the impression from what I hear Trump saying that he plans on stopping any type of legal immigration. It seems to me like he wants people to immigrate here, but legally. He also seems to me based on the things I heard him say that he realizes there are a lot of problems with how immigration is handled.

Donald Trump does respect national borders, but I'm not sure why that would be wrong. Isn't that just the way things are?

Doesn't that make him literal Hitler????