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augcaesarustus
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4/13/2016 8:05:43 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
I. The members of the House of Representatives shall be chosen every third year by the people of the States, and the total number of members shall be, as nearly as practicable, twice the number of senators.

II. The Senate shall be composed of an equal number of senators from each State, chosen by the people thereof for a term of six years. As nearly as one-half of the senators shall retire every third year.

III. The Congress shall have power to make laws for determining the divisions in each State for which representatives may be chosen, and the number of representatives to be chosen for each division. A division shall not be formed out of parts of different States. In absence of other provision, each State shall be one electorate. Five members at least shall be chosen in each State.

IV. The House of Representatives shall have the sole power of impeachment; except that any judicial or other Federal officer, resident and acting solely within the limits of any State, may be impeached by a vote of two-thirds of both branches of the Legislature thereof.

V. The President may approve any appropriation and disapprove any other appropriation in the same bill. In such case he shall, in signing the bill, designate the appropriations disapproved; and shall return a copy of such appropriations, with his objections, to the House in which the bill shall have originated; and the same proceedings shall then be had as in case of other bills disapproved by the President.

VI. Every law, or resolution having the force of law, shall relate to but one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title. Any provision included in a bill that is not related to the subject matter thereof shall have no effect.

VII. All bills appropriating money shall specify in Federal currency the exact amount of each appropriation and the purposes for which it is made; and Congress shall grant no extra compensation to any public contractor, officer, agent, or servant, after such contract shall have been made or such service rendered.

VIII. Congress shall appropriate no money from the Treasury except by a vote of two-thirds of both Houses, taken by yeas and nays, unless it be asked and estimated for by some one of the heads of departments and submitted to Congress by the President; or for the purpose of paying its own expenses and contingencies; or for the payment of claims against the United States, the justice of which shall have been judicially declared by a tribunal for the investigation of claims against the Government, which it is hereby made the duty of Congress to establish.

IX. The President and Vice-President shall hold their offices for a term of six years, and shall not be re-eligible.

X. No political party or caucus shall nominate any person to office of President or Vice-President, and no candidate shall have his preferred political party or affiliation indicated on the ballot paper. No person shall be eligible for nomination to the office of President or Vice President who shall not, at the time of his election, have resigned as a member of the political party or coalition of which he is a member; and who shall not, within the preceding three years prior to his nomination, served as a member of either House of Congress.
Chang29
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4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
-Make tax payment voluntary
-No enforcement of victimless crime
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4/13/2016 1:35:32 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM, Chang29 wrote:
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
-Make tax payment voluntary
-No enforcement of victimless crime

Tax payments voluntary.....how much u suppose people will give and what would they be willing to give it for? Any social experiments prove this is doable without resulting in death of the state?
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4/13/2016 2:03:32 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 1:35:32 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM, Chang29 wrote:
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
-Make tax payment voluntary
-No enforcement of victimless crime

Tax payments voluntary.....how much u suppose people will give and what would they be willing to give it for? Any social experiments prove this is doable without resulting in death of the state?

Each federal executive department could have a "go fund me" page, worthy causes get currency using that method all the time. People tell me almost everyday how great government is, they will surely voluntarily fund it.

No additional social experiments are needed, governments all over the world provide us examples of failure. Only 262,000,000 deaths from coercive governments in the 20th century, maybe voluntary governments will reduce that number in the 21st.

The cost of enforcing and complying with tax laws is enormous, just look at the bright minds meeting now to find way to get the people named in the Panama Papers to pay their "fare share". If those Incredibly smart people were focused on providing a product to serve their fellow man instead of punishing people, the world would be a much better place.

Killing coercive state interactions is the only civilized alternative.
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4/14/2016 12:37:24 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 8:05:43 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
I. The members of the House of Representatives shall be chosen every third year by the people of the States, and the total number of members shall be, as nearly as practicable, twice the number of senators.

II. The Senate shall be composed of an equal number of senators from each State, chosen by the people thereof for a term of six years. As nearly as one-half of the senators shall retire every third year.

III. The Congress shall have power to make laws for determining the divisions in each State for which representatives may be chosen, and the number of representatives to be chosen for each division. A division shall not be formed out of parts of different States. In absence of other provision, each State shall be one electorate. Five members at least shall be chosen in each State.

IV. The House of Representatives shall have the sole power of impeachment; except that any judicial or other Federal officer, resident and acting solely within the limits of any State, may be impeached by a vote of two-thirds of both branches of the Legislature thereof.

V. The President may approve any appropriation and disapprove any other appropriation in the same bill. In such case he shall, in signing the bill, designate the appropriations disapproved; and shall return a copy of such appropriations, with his objections, to the House in which the bill shall have originated; and the same proceedings shall then be had as in case of other bills disapproved by the President.

VI. Every law, or resolution having the force of law, shall relate to but one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title. Any provision included in a bill that is not related to the subject matter thereof shall have no effect.

VII. All bills appropriating money shall specify in Federal currency the exact amount of each appropriation and the purposes for which it is made; and Congress shall grant no extra compensation to any public contractor, officer, agent, or servant, after such contract shall have been made or such service rendered.

VIII. Congress shall appropriate no money from the Treasury except by a vote of two-thirds of both Houses, taken by yeas and nays, unless it be asked and estimated for by some one of the heads of departments and submitted to Congress by the President; or for the purpose of paying its own expenses and contingencies; or for the payment of claims against the United States, the justice of which shall have been judicially declared by a tribunal for the investigation of claims against the Government, which it is hereby made the duty of Congress to establish.

IX. The President and Vice-President shall hold their offices for a term of six years, and shall not be re-eligible.

X. No political party or caucus shall nominate any person to office of President or Vice-President, and no candidate shall have his preferred political party or affiliation indicated on the ballot paper. No person shall be eligible for nomination to the office of President or Vice President who shall not, at the time of his election, have resigned as a member of the political party or coalition of which he is a member; and who shall not, within the preceding three years prior to his nomination, served as a member of either House of Congress.

Frankly I have to disagree here is how you really fix DC
1. Overturn Citizens United, End Corporate Personhood and the designation of money as speech by passing the "We the People" amendment.
2. End the First Past the Post, Single Member district election system for Congress, adopt the Single Transferable Vote form of Proportional representation.
3. Adopt a Federal Automatic Voter Registration program, where every US citizen would be automatically registered upon their 18th birthday.
4. Place Strict limits on campaigning and campaign spending. Campaigning shall be limited to 6 Months before the day of the election, with an added month if there is a primary. Campaign spending shall be limited to $300 Million Dollars for presidential elections, and $5 Million for Congressional Candidates and $10 for Senate Candidates. Candidates who will be seen on the ballot by at least 70% of voters (based on ballot access) will be able to receive public funding up to that 300 Million, but only if they have raised approximately $100,000
5. Move all primaries to the spring and summer before the election
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4/14/2016 12:44:08 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM, Chang29 wrote:
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
lol
-Make tax payment voluntary
lololol
-No enforcement of victimless crime
Chang29
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4/14/2016 1:21:59 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 12:44:08 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM, Chang29 wrote:
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
lol
-Make tax payment voluntary
lololol
-No enforcement of victimless crime

Lol, must mean American government is just fine.
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If it can be de-centralized, it will be de-centralized.
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4/14/2016 1:35:43 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 1:21:59 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 12:44:08 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM, Chang29 wrote:
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
lol
-Make tax payment voluntary
lololol
-No enforcement of victimless crime

Lol, must mean American government is just fine.

It's better now than what would happen after your suggestions
Chang29
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4/14/2016 2:17:42 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 1:35:43 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:21:59 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 12:44:08 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM, Chang29 wrote:
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
lol
-Make tax payment voluntary
lololol
-No enforcement of victimless crime

Lol, must mean American government is just fine.

It's better now than what would happen after your suggestions

Central banking is the major tool used by governments to rob average workers of wealth and transferring it to the 1%.

What wrong with voluntary funding of government? Since, government does so much for people the currency will be flowing in. If people want to fund the education of resent migrants or kill people in Yemen, they can keep funding it. My point is not to threaten people to fund a program they are against.
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If it can be de-centralized, it will be de-centralized.
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4/14/2016 2:20:44 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 2:17:42 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:35:43 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:21:59 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 12:44:08 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM, Chang29 wrote:
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
lol
-Make tax payment voluntary
lololol
-No enforcement of victimless crime

Lol, must mean American government is just fine.

It's better now than what would happen after your suggestions

Central banking is the major tool used by governments to rob average workers of wealth and transferring it to the 1%.

What wrong with voluntary funding of government? Since, government does so much for people the currency will be flowing in. If people want to fund the education of resent migrants or kill people in Yemen, they can keep funding it. My point is not to threaten people to fund a program they are against.

+1
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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4/14/2016 3:24:31 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Just to say a quick word about voluntary funding and why it doesn't exactly work: it's part of the well-known free-rider problem in economics. Things like the military, for example, cannot easily exclude people who don't pay for their services from utilizing them--the US military protects all US citizens regardless of who pays their taxes, and there is no way to stop that from occurring. So, if a rational person is offered the choice as an individual to voluntarily pay to support the military or not, they will overwhelmingly choose to not pay. To visualize the effect this has, draw a traditional supply and demand curve, and then draw a second demand curve to the right of the first one, labeled Dsociety. Society as a whole wants far more of public goods than each individual is willing to voluntarily contribute to produce. To produce the amount society as a whole wants, we have to use the government to subsidize production of public goods. Other examples of public goods would be infrastructure, police, fire fighters, lighthouses, emergency medical care, and water supplies, among others.

So, it's not economically feasible to shift to voluntary government funding--outside of really committed patriots and ideologues, the government won't get anywhere close to the necessary amount of funds for even the goods society overwhelmingly wants.
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4/14/2016 3:28:33 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 2:17:42 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:35:43 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:21:59 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 12:44:08 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM, Chang29 wrote:
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
lol
-Make tax payment voluntary
lololol
-No enforcement of victimless crime

Lol, must mean American government is just fine.

It's better now than what would happen after your suggestions

Central banking is the major tool used by governments to rob average workers of wealth and transferring it to the 1%.
This is not true. Also, if governments were actively trying to rob average workers to give it to the 1%, why do they have progressive income tax codes?
What wrong with voluntary funding of government? Since, government does so much for people the currency will be flowing in. If people want to fund the education of resent migrants or kill people in Yemen, they can keep funding it. My point is not to threaten people to fund a program they are against.

As any economist will tell you, this is what's wrong with voluntary funding of government: https://en.wikipedia.org...
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4/14/2016 4:28:37 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 3:28:33 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 2:17:42 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:35:43 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:21:59 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 12:44:08 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM, Chang29 wrote:
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
lol
-Make tax payment voluntary
lololol
-No enforcement of victimless crime

Lol, must mean American government is just fine.

It's better now than what would happen after your suggestions

Central banking is the major tool used by governments to rob average workers of wealth and transferring it to the 1%.
This is not true. Also, if governments were actively trying to rob average workers to give it to the 1%, why do they have progressive income tax codes?
What wrong with voluntary funding of government? Since, government does so much for people the currency will be flowing in. If people want to fund the education of resent migrants or kill people in Yemen, they can keep funding it. My point is not to threaten people to fund a program they are against.

As any economist will tell you, this is what's wrong with voluntary funding of government: https://en.wikipedia.org...

Free riders are never a problem when interactions are voluntary. Only the cruelest of people would use force to impose payment on others. If a person can not pay (poor), or will not pay, they should not become "forced rider" https://en.m.wikipedia.org....

If government has a role, it would be to protect people from becoming a "forced rider", I would pay all requested funds to an agency to protect me from a group attempting to create "forced riders".
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If it can be de-centralized, it will be de-centralized.
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4/14/2016 5:08:54 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 4:28:37 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 3:28:33 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 2:17:42 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:35:43 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:21:59 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 12:44:08 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM, Chang29 wrote:
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
lol
-Make tax payment voluntary
lololol
-No enforcement of victimless crime

Lol, must mean American government is just fine.

It's better now than what would happen after your suggestions

Central banking is the major tool used by governments to rob average workers of wealth and transferring it to the 1%.
This is not true. Also, if governments were actively trying to rob average workers to give it to the 1%, why do they have progressive income tax codes?
What wrong with voluntary funding of government? Since, government does so much for people the currency will be flowing in. If people want to fund the education of resent migrants or kill people in Yemen, they can keep funding it. My point is not to threaten people to fund a program they are against.

As any economist will tell you, this is what's wrong with voluntary funding of government: https://en.wikipedia.org...

Free riders are never a problem when interactions are voluntary. Only the cruelest of people would use force to impose payment on others. If a person can not pay (poor), or will not pay, they should not become "forced rider" https://en.m.wikipedia.org....
First of all, it speaks volumes that you think "only the cruelest of people would use force to impose payment on others." So I assume you allow everybody to walk up to your garage sales and take things for free?
If government has a role, it would be to protect people from becoming a "forced rider", I would pay all requested funds to an agency to protect me from a group attempting to create "forced riders".
Forced riders don't exist. You don't want to pay taxes like a grown up, you can move to Antarctica or Somalia. Enjoy your freedom!
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4/14/2016 5:09:20 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 4:47:41 AM, Runn92 wrote:
Just elect Trump and a lot will improve!

I would laugh at this statement but it really just makes me sad.
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4/14/2016 5:09:57 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 5:09:20 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:47:41 AM, Runn92 wrote:
Just elect Trump and a lot will improve!

I would laugh at this statement but it really just makes me sad.

It's true...
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4/14/2016 5:14:32 AM
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At 4/14/2016 5:09:57 AM, Runn92 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 5:09:20 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:47:41 AM, Runn92 wrote:
Just elect Trump and a lot will improve!

I would laugh at this statement but it really just makes me sad.

It's true...

Trump is a bigoted moron who knows nothing about foreign policy or macroeconomics, and would immediately destroy any shreds of credibility that Obama rebuilt for America on the international stage.
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4/14/2016 5:17:05 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 5:14:32 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 5:09:57 AM, Runn92 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 5:09:20 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:47:41 AM, Runn92 wrote:
Just elect Trump and a lot will improve!

I would laugh at this statement but it really just makes me sad.

It's true...

Trump is a bigoted moron who knows nothing about foreign policy or macroeconomics, and would immediately destroy any shreds of credibility that Obama rebuilt for America on the international stage.

How bigoted of him to oppose a massive third world invasion of the USA?! And given the smashing success of Obama's macroeconomic and foreign policies, anyone who opposes them must be stupid!
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4/14/2016 5:22:50 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 5:17:05 AM, Runn92 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 5:14:32 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 5:09:57 AM, Runn92 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 5:09:20 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:47:41 AM, Runn92 wrote:
Just elect Trump and a lot will improve!

I would laugh at this statement but it really just makes me sad.

It's true...

Trump is a bigoted moron who knows nothing about foreign policy or macroeconomics, and would immediately destroy any shreds of credibility that Obama rebuilt for America on the international stage.


How bigoted of him to oppose a massive third world invasion of the USA?! And given the smashing success of Obama's macroeconomic and foreign policies, anyone who opposes them must be stupid!

Obama's macroeconomic policies have actually been extremely successful. The economy is doing so much better than it was in 2008 after Bush was through with it. I can't say that I agree with all of his foreign policies, but at least his diplomacy has been good and other world leaders are beginning to respect us again. That would be gone with Trump, the man would be a bigger laughingstock than Dubya.

And please show me where this "massive third world invasion of the USA" is taking place. Is it similar to the massive invasions that created this country? Will we all be dead or living on reservations soon? I hope they put me in a reservation far away from the one Trump is in.
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4/14/2016 5:34:54 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 5:08:54 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:28:37 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 3:28:33 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 2:17:42 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:35:43 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:21:59 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 12:44:08 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM, Chang29 wrote:
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
lol
-Make tax payment voluntary
lololol
-No enforcement of victimless crime

Lol, must mean American government is just fine.

It's better now than what would happen after your suggestions

Central banking is the major tool used by governments to rob average workers of wealth and transferring it to the 1%.
This is not true. Also, if governments were actively trying to rob average workers to give it to the 1%, why do they have progressive income tax codes?
What wrong with voluntary funding of government? Since, government does so much for people the currency will be flowing in. If people want to fund the education of resent migrants or kill people in Yemen, they can keep funding it. My point is not to threaten people to fund a program they are against.

As any economist will tell you, this is what's wrong with voluntary funding of government: https://en.wikipedia.org...

Free riders are never a problem when interactions are voluntary. Only the cruelest of people would use force to impose payment on others. If a person can not pay (poor), or will not pay, they should not become "forced rider" https://en.m.wikipedia.org....
First of all, it speaks volumes that you think "only the cruelest of people would use force to impose payment on others." So I assume you allow everybody to walk up to your garage sales and take things for free?

Correct, only cruel people will threaten violence on others for failure to engage in a transaction.

A garage sale is voluntary exchange of private property, no free or forced riders, it is anarchy. If a person does not pay there will not be an exchange.

When I put up Christmas lights for others the enjoy, I don't stand up the road with my shotgun demanding payment.

If government has a role, it would be to protect people from becoming a "forced rider", I would pay all requested funds to an agency to protect me from a group attempting to create "forced riders".
Forced riders don't exist. You don't want to pay taxes like a grown up, you can move to Antarctica or Somalia. Enjoy your freedom!

You can leave, I'm not the one that sucks. I want to correct problems not facilitate immoral behavior.

If a peaceful person does not move to Somalia and the collective applies coercive force for a good or service, that person is a forced rider.

The application of force against a perceived free rider is the childish action, like "daddy bother's piece of pie is bigger, waaaaa".

Answer a simple question, should a child-less family be put out of their home for failing to pay for the education of other people's kids? (Remember, cruelty)
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4/14/2016 5:35:00 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 5:22:50 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 5:17:05 AM, Runn92 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 5:14:32 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 5:09:57 AM, Runn92 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 5:09:20 AM, ford_prefect wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:47:41 AM, Runn92 wrote:
Just elect Trump and a lot will improve!

I would laugh at this statement but it really just makes me sad.

It's true...

Trump is a bigoted moron who knows nothing about foreign policy or macroeconomics, and would immediately destroy any shreds of credibility that Obama rebuilt for America on the international stage.


How bigoted of him to oppose a massive third world invasion of the USA?! And given the smashing success of Obama's macroeconomic and foreign policies, anyone who opposes them must be stupid!

Obama's macroeconomic policies have actually been extremely successful. The economy is doing so much better than it was in 2008 after Bush was through with it. I can't say that I agree with all of his foreign policies, but at least his diplomacy has been good and other world leaders are beginning to respect us again. That would be gone with Trump, the man would be a bigger laughingstock than Dubya.

How have his macroeconomic policies been successful? Massive taxes, spending, mandates, etc are not good economic policy if you care about long term economic growth.


And please show me where this "massive third world invasion of the USA" is taking place. Is it similar to the massive invasions that created this country? Will we all be dead or living on reservations soon? I hope they put me in a reservation far away from the one Trump is in.

I guess you could say that. Except the quality of settlers in the wave that "created this country" came from the more advanced and civilized Europe.

But sure. Now, how did that wave of immigration work out for the American Indians? Not well... Maybe we should learn from them?
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4/14/2016 6:09:58 AM
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At 4/14/2016 12:37:24 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:05:43 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
I. The members of the House of Representatives shall be chosen every third year by the people of the States, and the total number of members shall be, as nearly as practicable, twice the number of senators.

II. The Senate shall be composed of an equal number of senators from each State, chosen by the people thereof for a term of six years. As nearly as one-half of the senators shall retire every third year.

III. The Congress shall have power to make laws for determining the divisions in each State for which representatives may be chosen, and the number of representatives to be chosen for each division. A division shall not be formed out of parts of different States. In absence of other provision, each State shall be one electorate. Five members at least shall be chosen in each State.

IV. The House of Representatives shall have the sole power of impeachment; except that any judicial or other Federal officer, resident and acting solely within the limits of any State, may be impeached by a vote of two-thirds of both branches of the Legislature thereof.

V. The President may approve any appropriation and disapprove any other appropriation in the same bill. In such case he shall, in signing the bill, designate the appropriations disapproved; and shall return a copy of such appropriations, with his objections, to the House in which the bill shall have originated; and the same proceedings shall then be had as in case of other bills disapproved by the President.

VI. Every law, or resolution having the force of law, shall relate to but one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title. Any provision included in a bill that is not related to the subject matter thereof shall have no effect.

VII. All bills appropriating money shall specify in Federal currency the exact amount of each appropriation and the purposes for which it is made; and Congress shall grant no extra compensation to any public contractor, officer, agent, or servant, after such contract shall have been made or such service rendered.

VIII. Congress shall appropriate no money from the Treasury except by a vote of two-thirds of both Houses, taken by yeas and nays, unless it be asked and estimated for by some one of the heads of departments and submitted to Congress by the President; or for the purpose of paying its own expenses and contingencies; or for the payment of claims against the United States, the justice of which shall have been judicially declared by a tribunal for the investigation of claims against the Government, which it is hereby made the duty of Congress to establish.

IX. The President and Vice-President shall hold their offices for a term of six years, and shall not be re-eligible.

X. No political party or caucus shall nominate any person to office of President or Vice-President, and no candidate shall have his preferred political party or affiliation indicated on the ballot paper. No person shall be eligible for nomination to the office of President or Vice President who shall not, at the time of his election, have resigned as a member of the political party or coalition of which he is a member; and who shall not, within the preceding three years prior to his nomination, served as a member of either House of Congress.

Frankly I have to disagree here is how you really fix DC
1. Overturn Citizens United, End Corporate Personhood and the designation of money as speech by passing the "We the People" amendment.
2. End the First Past the Post, Single Member district election system for Congress, adopt the Single Transferable Vote form of Proportional representation.
3. Adopt a Federal Automatic Voter Registration program, where every US citizen would be automatically registered upon their 18th birthday.
4. Place Strict limits on campaigning and campaign spending. Campaigning shall be limited to 6 Months before the day of the election, with an added month if there is a primary. Campaign spending shall be limited to $300 Million Dollars for presidential elections, and $5 Million for Congressional Candidates and $10 for Senate Candidates. Candidates who will be seen on the ballot by at least 70% of voters (based on ballot access) will be able to receive public funding up to that 300 Million, but only if they have raised approximately $100,000
5. Move all primaries to the spring and summer before the election

The idea is to fix Washington, not enable it.
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4/14/2016 10:57:24 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 12:37:24 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:05:43 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
I. The members of the House of Representatives shall be chosen every third year by the people of the States, and the total number of members shall be, as nearly as practicable, twice the number of senators.

II. The Senate shall be composed of an equal number of senators from each State, chosen by the people thereof for a term of six years. As nearly as one-half of the senators shall retire every third year.

III. The Congress shall have power to make laws for determining the divisions in each State for which representatives may be chosen, and the number of representatives to be chosen for each division. A division shall not be formed out of parts of different States. In absence of other provision, each State shall be one electorate. Five members at least shall be chosen in each State.

IV. The House of Representatives shall have the sole power of impeachment; except that any judicial or other Federal officer, resident and acting solely within the limits of any State, may be impeached by a vote of two-thirds of both branches of the Legislature thereof.

V. The President may approve any appropriation and disapprove any other appropriation in the same bill. In such case he shall, in signing the bill, designate the appropriations disapproved; and shall return a copy of such appropriations, with his objections, to the House in which the bill shall have originated; and the same proceedings shall then be had as in case of other bills disapproved by the President.

VI. Every law, or resolution having the force of law, shall relate to but one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title. Any provision included in a bill that is not related to the subject matter thereof shall have no effect.

VII. All bills appropriating money shall specify in Federal currency the exact amount of each appropriation and the purposes for which it is made; and Congress shall grant no extra compensation to any public contractor, officer, agent, or servant, after such contract shall have been made or such service rendered.

VIII. Congress shall appropriate no money from the Treasury except by a vote of two-thirds of both Houses, taken by yeas and nays, unless it be asked and estimated for by some one of the heads of departments and submitted to Congress by the President; or for the purpose of paying its own expenses and contingencies; or for the payment of claims against the United States, the justice of which shall have been judicially declared by a tribunal for the investigation of claims against the Government, which it is hereby made the duty of Congress to establish.

IX. The President and Vice-President shall hold their offices for a term of six years, and shall not be re-eligible.

X. No political party or caucus shall nominate any person to office of President or Vice-President, and no candidate shall have his preferred political party or affiliation indicated on the ballot paper. No person shall be eligible for nomination to the office of President or Vice President who shall not, at the time of his election, have resigned as a member of the political party or coalition of which he is a member; and who shall not, within the preceding three years prior to his nomination, served as a member of either House of Congress.

Frankly I have to disagree here is how you really fix DC
1. Overturn Citizens United, End Corporate Personhood and the designation of money as speech by passing the "We the People" amendment.
2. End the First Past the Post, Single Member district election system for Congress, adopt the Single Transferable Vote form of Proportional representation.
3. Adopt a Federal Automatic Voter Registration program, where every US citizen would be automatically registered upon their 18th birthday.
4. Place Strict limits on campaigning and campaign spending. Campaigning shall be limited to 6 Months before the day of the election, with an added month if there is a primary. Campaign spending shall be limited to $300 Million Dollars for presidential elections, and $5 Million for Congressional Candidates and $10 for Senate Candidates. Candidates who will be seen on the ballot by at least 70% of voters (based on ballot access) will be able to receive public funding up to that 300 Million, but only if they have raised approximately $100,000
5. Move all primaries to the spring and summer before the election
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Ok. I think your ideas are also good. Do you like my proposals? If not, which ones and why?
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4/14/2016 10:58:15 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM, Chang29 wrote:
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
-Make tax payment voluntary
-No enforcement of victimless crime

Cheers. You're ideas are good as well. Which of my proposals do you think is the most important to you?
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4/14/2016 11:34:08 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 10:58:15 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM, Chang29 wrote:
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
-Make tax payment voluntary
-No enforcement of victimless crime

Cheers. You're ideas are good as well. Which of my proposals do you think is the most important to you?

Central banking has caused the most harm. Central banking has transfered Large amounts of wealth to the 1%, it's death is an imperitive.

I once sat down and wrote ideas like your good ideas, then asked myself what, why and how questions about government which refined the list to only three points.
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4/14/2016 11:53:56 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 2:03:32 PM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/13/2016 1:35:32 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM, Chang29 wrote:
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
-Make tax payment voluntary
-No enforcement of victimless crime

Tax payments voluntary.....how much u suppose people will give and what would they be willing to give it for? Any social experiments prove this is doable without resulting in death of the state?

Each federal executive department could have a "go fund me" page, worthy causes get currency using that method all the time. People tell me almost everyday how great government is, they will surely voluntarily fund it.

No additional social experiments are needed, governments all over the world provide us examples of failure. Only 262,000,000 deaths from coercive governments in the 20th century, maybe voluntary governments will reduce that number in the 21st.

The cost of enforcing and complying with tax laws is enormous, just look at the bright minds meeting now to find way to get the people named in the Panama Papers to pay their "fare share". If those Incredibly smart people were focused on providing a product to serve their fellow man instead of punishing people, the world would be a much better place.

Killing coercive state interactions is the only civilized alternative.

So basically your hypothesis is untested in any shape or form and is powered by rainbows and unicorns. That is what I thought. You know what is worse than democratic governments?

The sadistic f'erst who try to rush in to control a populace when a power vacuum ensues.
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4/14/2016 12:58:05 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 11:53:56 AM, slo1 wrote:
At 4/13/2016 2:03:32 PM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/13/2016 1:35:32 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:41:51 AM, Chang29 wrote:
Great thoughts for tweaks that would have an effect.

3 Ways to really fix Washington:
-End central banking including state fiat currency
-Make tax payment voluntary
-No enforcement of victimless crime

Tax payments voluntary.....how much u suppose people will give and what would they be willing to give it for? Any social experiments prove this is doable without resulting in death of the state?

Each federal executive department could have a "go fund me" page, worthy causes get currency using that method all the time. People tell me almost everyday how great government is, they will surely voluntarily fund it.

No additional social experiments are needed, governments all over the world provide us examples of failure. Only 262,000,000 deaths from coercive governments in the 20th century, maybe voluntary governments will reduce that number in the 21st.

The cost of enforcing and complying with tax laws is enormous, just look at the bright minds meeting now to find way to get the people named in the Panama Papers to pay their "fare share". If those Incredibly smart people were focused on providing a product to serve their fellow man instead of punishing people, the world would be a much better place.

Killing coercive state interactions is the only civilized alternative.

So basically your hypothesis is untested in any shape or form and is powered by rainbows and unicorns. That is what I thought. You know what is worse than democratic governments?

Any government that can take from one and give to another is much worse, oh that is what America has.


The sadistic f'erst who try to rush in to control a populace when a power vacuum ensues.

American did well for a long time without an income tax. The people certainly were much freer.

People are capable of getting along without a gun to their head. Collectivists tell me about working as a community and if we are really working together interactions must be voluntary, especially government to peaceful people.

So to prevent an oppressive dictator from taking over, Americans should accept democratic oppression. How about ending oppression.

I think people would fund a defense force large enough to protect America from external threats and justice system to maintain order.

No government of free people should need to put a gun to a person's head to fund an agency or program.
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4/14/2016 1:46:41 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 6:09:58 AM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 12:37:24 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:05:43 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
I. The members of the House of Representatives shall be chosen every third year by the people of the States, and the total number of members shall be, as nearly as practicable, twice the number of senators.

II. The Senate shall be composed of an equal number of senators from each State, chosen by the people thereof for a term of six years. As nearly as one-half of the senators shall retire every third year.

III. The Congress shall have power to make laws for determining the divisions in each State for which representatives may be chosen, and the number of representatives to be chosen for each division. A division shall not be formed out of parts of different States. In absence of other provision, each State shall be one electorate. Five members at least shall be chosen in each State.

IV. The House of Representatives shall have the sole power of impeachment; except that any judicial or other Federal officer, resident and acting solely within the limits of any State, may be impeached by a vote of two-thirds of both branches of the Legislature thereof.

V. The President may approve any appropriation and disapprove any other appropriation in the same bill. In such case he shall, in signing the bill, designate the appropriations disapproved; and shall return a copy of such appropriations, with his objections, to the House in which the bill shall have originated; and the same proceedings shall then be had as in case of other bills disapproved by the President.

VI. Every law, or resolution having the force of law, shall relate to but one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title. Any provision included in a bill that is not related to the subject matter thereof shall have no effect.

VII. All bills appropriating money shall specify in Federal currency the exact amount of each appropriation and the purposes for which it is made; and Congress shall grant no extra compensation to any public contractor, officer, agent, or servant, after such contract shall have been made or such service rendered.

VIII. Congress shall appropriate no money from the Treasury except by a vote of two-thirds of both Houses, taken by yeas and nays, unless it be asked and estimated for by some one of the heads of departments and submitted to Congress by the President; or for the purpose of paying its own expenses and contingencies; or for the payment of claims against the United States, the justice of which shall have been judicially declared by a tribunal for the investigation of claims against the Government, which it is hereby made the duty of Congress to establish.

IX. The President and Vice-President shall hold their offices for a term of six years, and shall not be re-eligible.

X. No political party or caucus shall nominate any person to office of President or Vice-President, and no candidate shall have his preferred political party or affiliation indicated on the ballot paper. No person shall be eligible for nomination to the office of President or Vice President who shall not, at the time of his election, have resigned as a member of the political party or coalition of which he is a member; and who shall not, within the preceding three years prior to his nomination, served as a member of either House of Congress.

Frankly I have to disagree here is how you really fix DC
1. Overturn Citizens United, End Corporate Personhood and the designation of money as speech by passing the "We the People" amendment.
2. End the First Past the Post, Single Member district election system for Congress, adopt the Single Transferable Vote form of Proportional representation.
3. Adopt a Federal Automatic Voter Registration program, where every US citizen would be automatically registered upon their 18th birthday.
4. Place Strict limits on campaigning and campaign spending. Campaigning shall be limited to 6 Months before the day of the election, with an added month if there is a primary. Campaign spending shall be limited to $300 Million Dollars for presidential elections, and $5 Million for Congressional Candidates and $10 for Senate Candidates. Candidates who will be seen on the ballot by at least 70% of voters (based on ballot access) will be able to receive public funding up to that 300 Million, but only if they have raised approximately $100,000
5. Move all primaries to the spring and summer before the election

The idea is to fix Washington, not enable it.

How is this enabling it?
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4/14/2016 2:03:36 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 10:57:24 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
At 4/14/2016 12:37:24 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 4/13/2016 8:05:43 AM, augcaesarustus wrote:
I. The members of the House of Representatives shall be chosen every third year by the people of the States, and the total number of members shall be, as nearly as practicable, twice the number of senators.

II. The Senate shall be composed of an equal number of senators from each State, chosen by the people thereof for a term of six years. As nearly as one-half of the senators shall retire every third year.

III. The Congress shall have power to make laws for determining the divisions in each State for which representatives may be chosen, and the number of representatives to be chosen for each division. A division shall not be formed out of parts of different States. In absence of other provision, each State shall be one electorate. Five members at least shall be chosen in each State.

IV. The House of Representatives shall have the sole power of impeachment; except that any judicial or other Federal officer, resident and acting solely within the limits of any State, may be impeached by a vote of two-thirds of both branches of the Legislature thereof.

V. The President may approve any appropriation and disapprove any other appropriation in the same bill. In such case he shall, in signing the bill, designate the appropriations disapproved; and shall return a copy of such appropriations, with his objections, to the House in which the bill shall have originated; and the same proceedings shall then be had as in case of other bills disapproved by the President.

VI. Every law, or resolution having the force of law, shall relate to but one subject, and that shall be expressed in the title. Any provision included in a bill that is not related to the subject matter thereof shall have no effect.

VII. All bills appropriating money shall specify in Federal currency the exact amount of each appropriation and the purposes for which it is made; and Congress shall grant no extra compensation to any public contractor, officer, agent, or servant, after such contract shall have been made or such service rendered.

VIII. Congress shall appropriate no money from the Treasury except by a vote of two-thirds of both Houses, taken by yeas and nays, unless it be asked and estimated for by some one of the heads of departments and submitted to Congress by the President; or for the purpose of paying its own expenses and contingencies; or for the payment of claims against the United States, the justice of which shall have been judicially declared by a tribunal for the investigation of claims against the Government, which it is hereby made the duty of Congress to establish.

IX. The President and Vice-President shall hold their offices for a term of six years, and shall not be re-eligible.

X. No political party or caucus shall nominate any person to office of President or Vice-President, and no candidate shall have his preferred political party or affiliation indicated on the ballot paper. No person shall be eligible for nomination to the office of President or Vice President who shall not, at the time of his election, have resigned as a member of the political party or coalition of which he is a member; and who shall not, within the preceding three years prior to his nomination, served as a member of either House of Congress.

Frankly I have to disagree here is how you really fix DC
1. Overturn Citizens United, End Corporate Personhood and the designation of money as speech by passing the "We the People" amendment.
2. End the First Past the Post, Single Member district election system for Congress, adopt the Single Transferable Vote form of Proportional representation.
3. Adopt a Federal Automatic Voter Registration program, where every US citizen would be automatically registered upon their 18th birthday.
4. Place Strict limits on campaigning and campaign spending. Campaigning shall be limited to 6 Months before the day of the election, with an added month if there is a primary. Campaign spending shall be limited to $300 Million Dollars for presidential elections, and $5 Million for Congressional Candidates and $10 for Senate Candidates. Candidates who will be seen on the ballot by at least 70% of voters (based on ballot access) will be able to receive public funding up to that 300 Million, but only if they have raised approximately $100,000
5. Move all primaries to the spring and summer before the election
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Ok. I think your ideas are also good. Do you like my proposals? If not, which ones and why?

I like VI which would end omnibus bills and poison pill amendments which have bills on guns, election reform, social security and aid to Israel all in one. That is plainly ridiculous. They should have to do with one general topic at a time. So it could only be on guns or only on social security or only on Israel.
I also like VII which ends corporate welfare and would end the DOD slush fund, without touch the SSTF.
Not to hot on IV, V, IX and X
I am trying to decode I, II, and VII, because while I am versed in legislative language, those are a little difficult to understand.