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I hate the State - AMA

SpiritandTruth
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4/14/2016 1:51:39 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
If you want to get past all the costume parties, smoke and mirror tricks, and propaganda, isn't the state simply the way things are?
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
smelisox
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4/14/2016 2:35:54 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 1:51:39 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
If you want to get past all the costume parties, smoke and mirror tricks, and propaganda, isn't the state simply the way things are?

The State is defined as a body of people who must protect thr nation. It has strayed so far from that path that it is now an undemocratic oligarchy.
SpiritandTruth
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4/14/2016 2:38:08 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
No, that's how THEY have defined the state.

State literally means, "a mode or condition of being".

It's a language trick in order to get people to identify the state with something it isn't. This in effect legitimizes authority.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
BrendanD19
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4/14/2016 3:03:56 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 1:42:19 PM, smelisox wrote:
I hate the State and government. AMA.

Do you hate this current government and government structure? Or do you just hate the concept in General? If so, what would you replace it with?
TBR
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4/14/2016 3:05:17 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 1:42:19 PM, smelisox wrote:
I hate the State and government. AMA.

The problem with the Ayn Rand fantasy world is, how is it 'better'?
Chang29
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4/14/2016 4:06:48 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 1:42:19 PM, smelisox wrote:
I hate the State and government. AMA.

What was your route to hatred of the state? From the left or right?
A free market anti-capitalist

If it can be de-centralized, it will be de-centralized.
smelisox
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4/14/2016 4:30:40 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 4:06:48 PM, Chang29 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:42:19 PM, smelisox wrote:
I hate the State and government. AMA.

What was your route to hatred of the state? From the left or right?

I've always been left, dipped into extreme left as one always does in teenage years, then went to a sort of less extreme left.
smelisox
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4/14/2016 4:32:09 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 3:03:56 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:42:19 PM, smelisox wrote:
I hate the State and government. AMA.

Do you hate this current government and government structure? Or do you just hate the concept in General? If so, what would you replace it with?

I wouldn't replace it, which is the whole issue. Democracy and Government are horrible and flawed, but there's no better solution yet.

Ideally Anarchy would be perfect, but too many humans are stupid or criminals or even simply ideologically different for it to work.
smelisox
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4/14/2016 4:33:29 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 3:05:17 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:42:19 PM, smelisox wrote:
I hate the State and government. AMA.

The problem with the Ayn Rand fantasy world is, how is it 'better'?

I don't believe in an Objectivist form of government or ideology. The game "Bioshock" illustrated the outcome perfectly.
BrendanD19
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4/14/2016 4:36:31 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 4:32:09 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 4/14/2016 3:03:56 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:42:19 PM, smelisox wrote:
I hate the State and government. AMA.

Do you hate this current government and government structure? Or do you just hate the concept in General? If so, what would you replace it with?

I wouldn't replace it, which is the whole issue. Democracy and Government are horrible and flawed, but there's no better solution yet.

Ideally Anarchy would be perfect, but too many humans are stupid or criminals or even simply ideologically different for it to work.

Are you against Democracy? Because most anarchists support direct democracy within communities.
smelisox
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4/14/2016 4:40:34 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 4:36:31 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:32:09 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 4/14/2016 3:03:56 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:42:19 PM, smelisox wrote:
I hate the State and government. AMA.

Do you hate this current government and government structure? Or do you just hate the concept in General? If so, what would you replace it with?

I wouldn't replace it, which is the whole issue. Democracy and Government are horrible and flawed, but there's no better solution yet.

Ideally Anarchy would be perfect, but too many humans are stupid or criminals or even simply ideologically different for it to work.

Are you against Democracy? Because most anarchists support direct democracy within communities.

I am not against true democracy, though even that has its flaws. I do however whole-heartedly oppose the farcical thing our countries present as "democracy".
BrendanD19
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4/14/2016 4:41:11 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 4:40:34 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:36:31 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:32:09 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 4/14/2016 3:03:56 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:42:19 PM, smelisox wrote:
I hate the State and government. AMA.

Do you hate this current government and government structure? Or do you just hate the concept in General? If so, what would you replace it with?

I wouldn't replace it, which is the whole issue. Democracy and Government are horrible and flawed, but there's no better solution yet.

Ideally Anarchy would be perfect, but too many humans are stupid or criminals or even simply ideologically different for it to work.

Are you against Democracy? Because most anarchists support direct democracy within communities.

I am not against true democracy, though even that has its flaws. I do however whole-heartedly oppose the farcical thing our countries present as "democracy".

As in representative democracy and democratic republics
smelisox
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4/14/2016 4:46:58 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 4:41:11 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:40:34 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:36:31 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:32:09 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 4/14/2016 3:03:56 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 4/14/2016 1:42:19 PM, smelisox wrote:
I hate the State and government. AMA.

Do you hate this current government and government structure? Or do you just hate the concept in General? If so, what would you replace it with?

I wouldn't replace it, which is the whole issue. Democracy and Government are horrible and flawed, but there's no better solution yet.

Ideally Anarchy would be perfect, but too many humans are stupid or criminals or even simply ideologically different for it to work.

Are you against Democracy? Because most anarchists support direct democracy within communities.

I am not against true democracy, though even that has its flaws. I do however whole-heartedly oppose the farcical thing our countries present as "democracy".

As in representative democracy and democratic republics

Corrupt and in some cases rigged elections. Leaders of State and representatives who have only their own interests at heart and not the people's, that they have sworn to represent. In most governments, some people aren't even elected and yet "represent" the public...
PetersSmith
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4/14/2016 8:13:55 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 1:42:19 PM, smelisox wrote:
I hate the State and government. AMA.

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