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4/17/2016 2:16:14 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Early voting began today in my state, and I (and my dad, who I managed to convince--very last minute) voted for Bernie. While I recognize that Bernie will not win the Democratic Nomination (though I wouldn't mind if he did), my vote for Bernie is based on three unrelated, but still very simple, reasons:

(1) Keeping Bernie in the race is good for the issues. Bernie is one of the few candidates who really highlights issues that matter very greatly to me, personally. The alarming income gap that currently exists in this country, climate change, campaign finance, non-interventionism (as opposed to isolationism or interventionism), college affordability, and Wall Street reform are among those issues that he manages to bring into the spotlight in a way that no other candidate does or can. As I see it, only by allowing him to stay in can we prolong the attention given to these issues in our national discourse, and only by paying attention to them can we have debate and (possibly) change.

(2) Keeping Bernie in the race is good for democrats. Sure, Hillary is going to win the nomination, but when she doesn't have to fight for something, she tends to get lazy about it. When she gets lazy, she makes more and more mistakes. I think that--as long as the drama in my party doesn't get any more raucous--Bernie staying in will keep her campaign sharp, it will keep her on-message, and it will give her valuable experience on the trail. She was very rusty at the start of this campaign after '08, and I don't want to see her get any more arthritic as a candidate come summer.

(3) Voting for Bernie sends a message. I don't think Hillary (except on issues of equal pay for equal work and gun control) is truly on the same page as I am when it comes to what I think we should be gunning for (pun intended) as a party. I think climate change and the income gap should be greater priorities in our party, and that we should be seeking to find more innovative and fast-paced solutions than she seems willing to endorse. Hillary is the candidate of caution and calculation, whereas Bernie is the candidate of Progressive Idealism. I want to send a message to the DNC with my vote about what issues matter most to me, about how aggressively I think we should be addressing those issues, and about how important I think those issues truly are.

Come the fall, I will likely step into the voting booth to either vote for Hillary or Kasich. I will never vote for Trump or Cruz. There is a 70% chance that vote will be for Hillary. While I agree that she may not be as "authentic" (whatever that means) as Bernie, I do believe she will be more progressive than the republicans without stirring the religious and racial pots in the way some others *cough* Trump *cough* would. She would be calculating, but I think that will also make her a pragmatist who will seek realistic solutions...which may throw some of my ideals under the bus, but I can live with that as long as some of my core issues are addressed satisfactorily, which I think she'll do.

Anyway, I just wanted to share this because...I did...feel free to comment (or not) as you please...
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4/17/2016 2:31:20 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Who cares about your state? The New York primary is Tuesday.
That is when we will determine who can become a nominee.
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4/17/2016 2:33:41 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Nice! Other than not voting for Trump you made the right decision
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4/17/2016 2:35:21 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
BTW Mr. Trump is one of us, his opponent is a Canadian.
Get used to the idea of President Trump.
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4/17/2016 2:56:20 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Good for you. I didn't get to vote because I was out of state at the time.
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4/17/2016 3:30:04 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 2:33:41 AM, thett3 wrote:
Nice! Other than not voting for Trump you made the right decision

Lol...thanks.
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4/17/2016 3:39:45 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 2:56:20 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Good for you. I didn't get to vote because I was out of state at the time.

You couldn't do an absentee ballot?
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4/17/2016 3:46:46 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 2:16:14 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Early voting began today in my state, and I (and my dad, who I managed to convince--very last minute) voted for Bernie. While I recognize that Bernie will not win the Democratic Nomination (though I wouldn't mind if he did), my vote for Bernie is based on three unrelated, but still very simple, reasons:

(1) Keeping Bernie in the race is good for the issues. Bernie is one of the few candidates who really highlights issues that matter very greatly to me, personally. The alarming income gap that currently exists in this country, climate change, campaign finance, non-interventionism (as opposed to isolationism or interventionism), college affordability, and Wall Street reform are among those issues that he manages to bring into the spotlight in a way that no other candidate does or can. As I see it, only by allowing him to stay in can we prolong the attention given to these issues in our national discourse, and only by paying attention to them can we have debate and (possibly) change.

(2) Keeping Bernie in the race is good for democrats. Sure, Hillary is going to win the nomination, but when she doesn't have to fight for something, she tends to get lazy about it. When she gets lazy, she makes more and more mistakes. I think that--as long as the drama in my party doesn't get any more raucous--Bernie staying in will keep her campaign sharp, it will keep her on-message, and it will give her valuable experience on the trail. She was very rusty at the start of this campaign after '08, and I don't want to see her get any more arthritic as a candidate come summer.

(3) Voting for Bernie sends a message. I don't think Hillary (except on issues of equal pay for equal work and gun control) is truly on the same page as I am when it comes to what I think we should be gunning for (pun intended) as a party. I think climate change and the income gap should be greater priorities in our party, and that we should be seeking to find more innovative and fast-paced solutions than she seems willing to endorse. Hillary is the candidate of caution and calculation, whereas Bernie is the candidate of Progressive Idealism. I want to send a message to the DNC with my vote about what issues matter most to me, about how aggressively I think we should be addressing those issues, and about how important I think those issues truly are.

Come the fall, I will likely step into the voting booth to either vote for Hillary or Kasich. I will never vote for Trump or Cruz. There is a 70% chance that vote will be for Hillary. While I agree that she may not be as "authentic" (whatever that means) as Bernie, I do believe she will be more progressive than the republicans without stirring the religious and racial pots in the way some others *cough* Trump *cough* would. She would be calculating, but I think that will also make her a pragmatist who will seek realistic solutions...which may throw some of my ideals under the bus, but I can live with that as long as some of my core issues are addressed satisfactorily, which I think she'll do.

Anyway, I just wanted to share this because...I did...feel free to comment (or not) as you please...

Good for you.
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4/17/2016 3:49:30 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 3:46:46 AM, TBR wrote:
At 4/17/2016 2:16:14 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Early voting began today in my state, and I (and my dad, who I managed to convince--very last minute) voted for Bernie. While I recognize that Bernie will not win the Democratic Nomination (though I wouldn't mind if he did), my vote for Bernie is based on three unrelated, but still very simple, reasons:

(1) Keeping Bernie in the race is good for the issues. Bernie is one of the few candidates who really highlights issues that matter very greatly to me, personally. The alarming income gap that currently exists in this country, climate change, campaign finance, non-interventionism (as opposed to isolationism or interventionism), college affordability, and Wall Street reform are among those issues that he manages to bring into the spotlight in a way that no other candidate does or can. As I see it, only by allowing him to stay in can we prolong the attention given to these issues in our national discourse, and only by paying attention to them can we have debate and (possibly) change.

(2) Keeping Bernie in the race is good for democrats. Sure, Hillary is going to win the nomination, but when she doesn't have to fight for something, she tends to get lazy about it. When she gets lazy, she makes more and more mistakes. I think that--as long as the drama in my party doesn't get any more raucous--Bernie staying in will keep her campaign sharp, it will keep her on-message, and it will give her valuable experience on the trail. She was very rusty at the start of this campaign after '08, and I don't want to see her get any more arthritic as a candidate come summer.

(3) Voting for Bernie sends a message. I don't think Hillary (except on issues of equal pay for equal work and gun control) is truly on the same page as I am when it comes to what I think we should be gunning for (pun intended) as a party. I think climate change and the income gap should be greater priorities in our party, and that we should be seeking to find more innovative and fast-paced solutions than she seems willing to endorse. Hillary is the candidate of caution and calculation, whereas Bernie is the candidate of Progressive Idealism. I want to send a message to the DNC with my vote about what issues matter most to me, about how aggressively I think we should be addressing those issues, and about how important I think those issues truly are.

Come the fall, I will likely step into the voting booth to either vote for Hillary or Kasich. I will never vote for Trump or Cruz. There is a 70% chance that vote will be for Hillary. While I agree that she may not be as "authentic" (whatever that means) as Bernie, I do believe she will be more progressive than the republicans without stirring the religious and racial pots in the way some others *cough* Trump *cough* would. She would be calculating, but I think that will also make her a pragmatist who will seek realistic solutions...which may throw some of my ideals under the bus, but I can live with that as long as some of my core issues are addressed satisfactorily, which I think she'll do.

Anyway, I just wanted to share this because...I did...feel free to comment (or not) as you please...

Good for you.

Yup.
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4/17/2016 1:05:09 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 3:39:45 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 4/17/2016 2:56:20 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Good for you. I didn't get to vote because I was out of state at the time.

You couldn't do an absentee ballot?

I didn't realize that I would be absent for voting until it was too late.
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4/17/2016 1:42:09 PM
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At 4/17/2016 2:16:14 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Early voting began today in my state, and I (and my dad, who I managed to convince--very last minute) voted for Bernie. While I recognize that Bernie will not win the Democratic Nomination (though I wouldn't mind if he did), my vote for Bernie is based on three unrelated, but still very simple, reasons:

(1) Keeping Bernie in the race is good for the issues. Bernie is one of the few candidates who really highlights issues that matter very greatly to me, personally. The alarming income gap that currently exists in this country, climate change, campaign finance, non-interventionism (as opposed to isolationism or interventionism), college affordability, and Wall Street reform are among those issues that he manages to bring into the spotlight in a way that no other candidate does or can. As I see it, only by allowing him to stay in can we prolong the attention given to these issues in our national discourse, and only by paying attention to them can we have debate and (possibly) change.

(2) Keeping Bernie in the race is good for democrats. Sure, Hillary is going to win the nomination, but when she doesn't have to fight for something, she tends to get lazy about it. When she gets lazy, she makes more and more mistakes. I think that--as long as the drama in my party doesn't get any more raucous--Bernie staying in will keep her campaign sharp, it will keep her on-message, and it will give her valuable experience on the trail. She was very rusty at the start of this campaign after '08, and I don't want to see her get any more arthritic as a candidate come summer.

(3) Voting for Bernie sends a message. I don't think Hillary (except on issues of equal pay for equal work and gun control) is truly on the same page as I am when it comes to what I think we should be gunning for (pun intended) as a party. I think climate change and the income gap should be greater priorities in our party, and that we should be seeking to find more innovative and fast-paced solutions than she seems willing to endorse. Hillary is the candidate of caution and calculation, whereas Bernie is the candidate of Progressive Idealism. I want to send a message to the DNC with my vote about what issues matter most to me, about how aggressively I think we should be addressing those issues, and about how important I think those issues truly are.

Come the fall, I will likely step into the voting booth to either vote for Hillary or Kasich. I will never vote for Trump or Cruz. There is a 70% chance that vote will be for Hillary. While I agree that she may not be as "authentic" (whatever that means) as Bernie, I do believe she will be more progressive than the republicans without stirring the religious and racial pots in the way some others *cough* Trump *cough* would. She would be calculating, but I think that will also make her a pragmatist who will seek realistic solutions...which may throw some of my ideals under the bus, but I can live with that as long as some of my core issues are addressed satisfactorily, which I think she'll do.

Anyway, I just wanted to share this because...I did...feel free to comment (or not) as you please...

But, you're in... Austria o.0
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4/17/2016 11:07:53 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 1:42:09 PM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/17/2016 2:16:14 AM, bsh1 wrote:
Early voting began today in my state, and I (and my dad, who I managed to convince--very last minute) voted for Bernie. While I recognize that Bernie will not win the Democratic Nomination (though I wouldn't mind if he did), my vote for Bernie is based on three unrelated, but still very simple, reasons:

(1) Keeping Bernie in the race is good for the issues. Bernie is one of the few candidates who really highlights issues that matter very greatly to me, personally. The alarming income gap that currently exists in this country, climate change, campaign finance, non-interventionism (as opposed to isolationism or interventionism), college affordability, and Wall Street reform are among those issues that he manages to bring into the spotlight in a way that no other candidate does or can. As I see it, only by allowing him to stay in can we prolong the attention given to these issues in our national discourse, and only by paying attention to them can we have debate and (possibly) change.

(2) Keeping Bernie in the race is good for democrats. Sure, Hillary is going to win the nomination, but when she doesn't have to fight for something, she tends to get lazy about it. When she gets lazy, she makes more and more mistakes. I think that--as long as the drama in my party doesn't get any more raucous--Bernie staying in will keep her campaign sharp, it will keep her on-message, and it will give her valuable experience on the trail. She was very rusty at the start of this campaign after '08, and I don't want to see her get any more arthritic as a candidate come summer.

(3) Voting for Bernie sends a message. I don't think Hillary (except on issues of equal pay for equal work and gun control) is truly on the same page as I am when it comes to what I think we should be gunning for (pun intended) as a party. I think climate change and the income gap should be greater priorities in our party, and that we should be seeking to find more innovative and fast-paced solutions than she seems willing to endorse. Hillary is the candidate of caution and calculation, whereas Bernie is the candidate of Progressive Idealism. I want to send a message to the DNC with my vote about what issues matter most to me, about how aggressively I think we should be addressing those issues, and about how important I think those issues truly are.

Come the fall, I will likely step into the voting booth to either vote for Hillary or Kasich. I will never vote for Trump or Cruz. There is a 70% chance that vote will be for Hillary. While I agree that she may not be as "authentic" (whatever that means) as Bernie, I do believe she will be more progressive than the republicans without stirring the religious and racial pots in the way some others *cough* Trump *cough* would. She would be calculating, but I think that will also make her a pragmatist who will seek realistic solutions...which may throw some of my ideals under the bus, but I can live with that as long as some of my core issues are addressed satisfactorily, which I think she'll do.

Anyway, I just wanted to share this because...I did...feel free to comment (or not) as you please...

But, you're in... Austria o.0

I moved back a few months ago.
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4/17/2016 11:08:13 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 1:05:09 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/17/2016 3:39:45 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 4/17/2016 2:56:20 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Good for you. I didn't get to vote because I was out of state at the time.

You couldn't do an absentee ballot?

I didn't realize that I would be absent for voting until it was too late.

Oh wow...that had to be frustrating. *hugs*
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4/18/2016 2:02:44 AM
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At 4/17/2016 11:08:13 PM, bsh1 wrote:
At 4/17/2016 1:05:09 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/17/2016 3:39:45 AM, bsh1 wrote:
At 4/17/2016 2:56:20 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Good for you. I didn't get to vote because I was out of state at the time.

You couldn't do an absentee ballot?

I didn't realize that I would be absent for voting until it was too late.

Oh wow...that had to be frustrating. *hugs*

Eh. I would've just voted for Trump, so it's probably a good thing that I was absent, lol.
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