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11/26/2010 6:44:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
WikiLeaks is an international organization that publishes submissions of otherwise unavailable documents from anonymous sources and leaks. Its website, launched in 2006, is run by The Sunshine Press.[1] Within a year of its launch, the site claimed a database that had grown to more than 1.2 million documents.

WikiLeaks has won a number of awards, including the 2008 Economist magazine New Media Award.[6] In June 2009, WikiLeaks and Julian Assange won Amnesty International's UK Media Award (in the category "New Media") for the 2008 publication of "Kenya: The Cry of Blood – Extra Judicial Killings and Disappearances",[7] a report by the Kenya National Commission on Human Rights about police killings in Kenya.[8] In May 2010, the New York Daily News listed WikiLeaks first in a ranking of "websites that could totally change the news"

http://en.wikipedia.org...

At 5pm EST Friday 22nd October 2010 WikiLeaks released the largest classified military leak in history. The 391,832 reports ('The Iraq War Logs'), document the war and occupation in Iraq, from 1st January 2004 to 31st December 2009 (except for the months of May 2004 and March 2009) as told by soldiers in the United States Army. Each is a 'SIGACT' or Significant Action in the war. They detail events as seen and heard by the US military troops on the ground in Iraq and are the first real glimpse into the secret history of the war that the United States government has been privy to throughout.

The reports detail 109,032 deaths in Iraq, comprised of 66,081 'civilians'; 23,984 'enemy' (those labeled as insurgents); 15,196 'host nation' (Iraqi government forces) and 3,771 'friendly' (coalition forces). The majority of the deaths (66,000, over 60%) of these are civilian deaths.That is 31 civilians dying every day during the six year period. For comparison, the 'Afghan War Diaries', previously released by WikiLeaks, covering the same period, detail the deaths of some 20,000 people. Iraq during the same period, was five times as lethal with equivalent population size.

http://wikileaks.org...

This is a thread to discuss and/or share content from Wikileaks, the world's first Central Intelligence Agency of The People.
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11/26/2010 6:47:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
The Department of Defense and the State Department are "holding their breath" in troubled anticipation of an imminent release of thousands of classified documents by the controversial website.

WikiLeaks is tweeting that officials in Washington are "hyperventilating again over fears of being held to account."

That's not hype. They really are worried this time.

Why so? Because this release of documents could pull back the curtain on how the United States practices international diplomacy.

http://www.thenation.com...
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11/26/2010 7:55:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/26/2010 6:58:14 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Should sensitive diplomatic files be released? Cast your vote.

http://www.cbc.ca...

I for one would love to know the locations, names, and descriptions of all the United States spies. I am sure Osama Bin Laden would too.
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11/26/2010 8:00:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/26/2010 7:55:16 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/26/2010 6:58:14 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Should sensitive diplomatic files be released? Cast your vote.

http://www.cbc.ca...

I for one would love to know the locations, names, and descriptions of all the United States spies. I am sure Osama Bin Laden would too.

You think you're making a point but the funny thing is I agree. Knowing the name of all the spies means no more spies which mean less innocent people dead.
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11/27/2010 3:28:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Wikileaks is doing more to aid the... or rather a, war on terror than any government ever could, or rather would.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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11/27/2010 3:29:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/26/2010 7:55:16 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/26/2010 6:58:14 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Should sensitive diplomatic files be released? Cast your vote.

http://www.cbc.ca...

I for one would love to know the locations, names, and descriptions of all the United States spies. I am sure Osama Bin Laden would too.

This would be good. It would likely cause America to sue for peace.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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11/27/2010 5:18:06 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Yes, the last Wikileaks barrage really hurt the US and exposed some real problems.

Lol Freedo, seriously. Wikileaks has f*ck all.
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11/27/2010 8:49:42 AM
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Question with a qualifier - the qualifier is that if there were some equivalent to this in the '50's it would never be tolerated. In some sort of way it would have been silenced. What has changed from then to now? Or...do you disagree with my qualifier?
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11/27/2010 1:08:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/27/2010 8:49:42 AM, innomen wrote:
Question with a qualifier - the qualifier is that if there were some equivalent to this in the '50's it would never be tolerated. In some sort of way it would have been silenced. What has changed from then to now? Or...do you disagree with my qualifier?

It's much more effective to attempt to discredit people with fake rape charges than martyr them by having them suicide themselves. The information age pretty much guarantees that the latter will create a martyr and cause validate the original cause. The former is being done already.
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11/28/2010 1:24:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
New leaks came out. An article with some of the highlights: http://www.guardian.co.uk...
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Mirza
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11/28/2010 4:49:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
This is horrible for the diplomatic situation. It is in corner with the drama going on in the Korean Peninsula. This is not what we need.
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11/29/2010 11:40:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
"In a rare interview, Assange tells Forbes that the release of Pentagon and State Department documents are just the beginning. His next target: big business."

http://blogs.forbes.com...
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11/30/2010 12:33:06 AM
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Looking at Wikileaks as a whole, both the function it serves and what it's done so far, do you think Wikileaks is good?

Looking at the war diaries, the cables, the Kroll report, and some of the smaller documents leaked, do you think that more good has come from these being released than harm - and will that trend persist into future releases?
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11/30/2010 7:50:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/30/2010 12:33:06 AM, applesnack wrote:
Looking at Wikileaks as a whole, both the function it serves and what it's done so far, do you think Wikileaks is good?

Looking at the war diaries, the cables, the Kroll report, and some of the smaller documents leaked, do you think that more good has come from these being released than harm - and will that trend persist into future releases?

Absolutely.
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11/30/2010 9:46:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Reason magazine reporter:
Would you call yourself a free market proponent?

Julian Assange, founder of wikileaks:
Absolutely. I have mixed attitudes towards capitalism, but I love markets.

Continued...
http://reason.com...
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12/1/2010 10:33:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/30/2010 7:49:34 PM, FREEDO wrote:
China blocks Wikileaks:
http://news.idg.no...

Big deal, they're just not letting their citizenry see it (as if that's such a big stretch for them), but i assure you that their governmental intelligence people are going through every piece of it with a fine tooth comb. Kripes, i wouldn't be surprised if they had a hand in it to begin with.
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12/1/2010 1:34:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/1/2010 10:33:59 AM, innomen wrote:
Big deal, they're just not letting their citizenry see it (as if that's such a big stretch for them), but I assure you that their governmental intelligence people are going through every piece of it with a fine tooth comb. Kripes, i wouldn't be surprised if they had a hand in it to begin with.

True, it's not that surprising that they blocked it, but does that make it any more acceptable? And although I agree, they probably are looking through it, the notion that they leaked it seems unfounded. The leak doesn't pose a large threat to the US, and besides, we leak plenty all by our selves. (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...?)
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12/3/2010 1:26:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Wikileaks.org has been down. People aren't entirely sure what happened. It came back temporarily on wikileaks.ch but that disappeared too.

The new temporary wikileaks is http://213.251.145.96/ .

Sadly, it may have to keep jumping around.
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12/3/2010 1:35:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/27/2010 3:28:04 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Wikileaks is doing more to aid the... or rather a, war on terror than any government ever could, or rather would.

Completely disagree. I'll debate you or anyone on the merits of Wikileaks. I'm definitely PRO.
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12/3/2010 1:39:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/3/2010 1:35:14 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 11/27/2010 3:28:04 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Wikileaks is doing more to aid the... or rather a, war on terror than any government ever could, or rather would.

Completely disagree. I'll debate you or anyone on the merits of Wikileaks. I'm definitely PRO.

That is a much needed debate.
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12/3/2010 1:45:08 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/3/2010 1:35:14 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 11/27/2010 3:28:04 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Wikileaks is doing more to aid the... or rather a, war on terror than any government ever could, or rather would.

Completely disagree. I'll debate you or anyone on the merits of Wikileaks. I'm definitely PRO.

I bet Roy would take you up on that. I'd love to see it happen.
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12/8/2010 4:19:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'm sure a good chunk of you have been following Julian Assange's arrest, Wikileak's funding being frozen, and the resulting Anon payback. Regardless, this is still a good clip from BoingBoing's Xeni on the event, and she puts a lot of it in a easier to understand way - so tell your friends!
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12/10/2010 1:18:57 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/26/2010 8:00:34 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 11/26/2010 7:55:16 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/26/2010 6:58:14 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Should sensitive diplomatic files be released? Cast your vote.

http://www.cbc.ca...

I for one would love to know the locations, names, and descriptions of all the United States spies. I am sure Osama Bin Laden would too.

You think you're making a point but the funny thing is I agree. Knowing the name of all the spies means no more spies which mean less innocent people dead.

Not really. Covert operations would still be done.
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12/10/2010 1:20:23 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 11/27/2010 5:18:06 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Yes, the last Wikileaks barrage really hurt the US and exposed some real problems.

Lol Freedo, seriously. Wikileaks has f*ck all.

I am not sure, but I think that someone started this organization because of all the secrecy.