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Donald Trump will be assassinated (not by me)

EvanescentEfflorescence
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4/21/2016 10:47:21 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
As preamble, let it be known that I have no real interest in American elections, or any elections for that matter. I think voting is a rather poor use of time. I don't care about silly memes or rhetoric. I'm not shilling for Hillary, Bernie or any other campaigner because I don't care about them. Anything I know about the upcoming American election is incidental.

However, I know enough about history and how it is congruent with Donald Trump's campaign. Donald Trump is a radical populist, in that he arouses support by appealing to radically popular sentiments (e.g. building a wall to keep out Mexicans), often by appeals to emotions. Whilst this has proven to be effective in garnering support, it has also aroused equally emotional opposition. It also creates a searing enmity in the established political system (and those in power positions). Now, historically, campaigners who are populists, in all political climates, get assassinated.

For example, Huey Long, an American politician from the 1930s, was assassinated for running on a platform which wanted to overthrow the federal reserve and rich people (lol) in order to "share the wealth".

Another example: Ancient Rome. The Gracchus wanted land redistribution, because of the concentration of land in the aristocracy. They were assassinated in the street.

Alcibiades (Greek) is another powerful character who has a similar story.

To conclude, radical populists are hated by both visceral opposition in the general public, and the establishment. Historically, if a zealot from the general public doesn't assassinate the populist, the establishment will organise an assassination. I don't know when Donald Trump will be assassinated, but if he anywhere near elected, he will be assassinated.
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PetersSmith
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4/21/2016 2:36:39 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Then he'll be made a martyr and one of his children will take his place.
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4/21/2016 2:37:31 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 2:36:39 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Then he'll be made a martyr and one of his children will take his place.

Just like MLK.
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4/21/2016 3:28:01 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 2:36:39 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Then he'll be made a martyr and one of his children will take his place.

Don't let it be Trump Jr *shivers*
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4/21/2016 10:26:34 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 2:36:39 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Then he'll be made a martyr and one of his children will take his place.

I'm not sure how serious you are with this comment, but his children are not nearly as socially saavy as he is. Ivanka is gorgeous, but that simply isn't enough to seal presidency. The others aren't very well known and certainly have not refined their social skills to that of Trump. Trump's ability to navigate tricky social situations, when under pressure, is a large component of why he is able to hold office.

I can't agree with you here.
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4/21/2016 10:27:42 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 2:39:57 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Also, Huey was assassinated because he made poor choices of enemies (FDR)...Trump is pretty good with the backroom shmooze.

Do you think that the establishment is a good choice of enemy? You know, the people with arguably the most power in America?
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4/22/2016 2:39:07 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 11:32:49 PM, Overhead wrote:
Disagree, I think he will be assassinated by you.

Hilarious.
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4/22/2016 3:14:51 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 3:28:01 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 4/21/2016 2:36:39 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Then he'll be made a martyr and one of his children will take his place.

Don't let it be Trump Jr *shivers*

http://a57.foxnews.com...
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4/22/2016 4:04:29 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 3:14:51 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:28:01 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 4/21/2016 2:36:39 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Then he'll be made a martyr and one of his children will take his place.

Don't let it be Trump Jr *shivers*

http://a57.foxnews.com...

Ivanka, keep America great.
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4/22/2016 4:29:01 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 3:14:51 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:28:01 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 4/21/2016 2:36:39 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Then he'll be made a martyr and one of his children will take his place.

Don't let it be Trump Jr *shivers*

http://a57.foxnews.com...

Long may she reign.
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UtherPenguin
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4/22/2016 2:33:16 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 3:14:51 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:28:01 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 4/21/2016 2:36:39 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Then he'll be made a martyr and one of his children will take his place.

Don't let it be Trump Jr *shivers*

http://a57.foxnews.com...

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