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harrytruman
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4/21/2016 10:08:54 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Hillary Clinton, or Bernie Sanders? I'm divided between John Kasich and Bernie Sanders because Bernie want's to break up the big banks and increase the minimum wage, while John Kasich wants to rebuild the military and lower taxes for te middle class. Who do you think would be the best?
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4/21/2016 10:13:34 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 10:08:54 PM, harrytruman wrote:
Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Hillary Clinton, or Bernie Sanders? I'm divided between John Kasich and Bernie Sanders because Bernie want's to break up the big banks and increase the minimum wage, while John Kasich wants to rebuild the military and lower taxes for te middle class. Who do you think would be the best?

Kasich would probably be the best at this point just because having a Republican as president once again would pacify the GOP long enough for them to calm down and get their sh*t back together..... Bernie and Hillary wont be able to push any legislation, and the GOP will be up in arms over either of them winning, while Cruz and Trump would lead the country in a far worse direction than Kasich would
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4/21/2016 10:19:59 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Bernie > Kasich > Trump > Hillary > Cruz.

Since Bernie and Kasich have no chance, though, it's effectively: Trump > Hillary > Cruz.
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4/21/2016 11:10:26 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 10:19:59 PM, Torton wrote:
Bernie > Kasich > Trump > Hillary > Cruz.

Since Bernie and Kasich have no chance, though, it's effectively: Trump > Hillary > Cruz.

Actualy, kasich beats Hillary Clinton in every poll:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

Donald and Cruz lose in every poll:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...
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4/21/2016 11:23:54 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 10:08:54 PM, harrytruman wrote:
Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Hillary Clinton, or Bernie Sanders? I'm divided between John Kasich and Bernie Sanders because Bernie want's to break up the big banks and increase the minimum wage, while John Kasich wants to rebuild the military and lower taxes for te middle class. Who do you think would be the best?

My choices would be in order from best to worst

1) Bernie
2) Clinton
3) Kasich
4) Move to Canada
5) Trump
6) Cruz
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4/21/2016 11:27:47 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 11:23:54 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 4/21/2016 10:08:54 PM, harrytruman wrote:
Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Hillary Clinton, or Bernie Sanders? I'm divided between John Kasich and Bernie Sanders because Bernie want's to break up the big banks and increase the minimum wage, while John Kasich wants to rebuild the military and lower taxes for te middle class. Who do you think would be the best?



My choices would be in order from best to worst

1) Bernie
2) Clinton
3) Kasich
4) Move to Canada
5) Trump
6) Cruz

Mine went like this:
1). Bernie
2). Kasich
3). Cruz
4). Donald
5). Clinton

Reasons are simple, both Cruz and Hillary recieved funds from the big money intrest groups, Donald IS the big money intrest group. So that leaves Kasich and Sanders. Kasich wants to rebuild the military and has a plan o do it, Bernie doesn't see this as important though it is, Bernie wants to break up the big banks but Kasich doesn't see this as important though it is.
On the other hand, Bernie is a jew but ate of the pork.
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4/21/2016 11:34:41 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 11:27:47 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 4/21/2016 11:23:54 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 4/21/2016 10:08:54 PM, harrytruman wrote:
Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Hillary Clinton, or Bernie Sanders? I'm divided between John Kasich and Bernie Sanders because Bernie want's to break up the big banks and increase the minimum wage, while John Kasich wants to rebuild the military and lower taxes for te middle class. Who do you think would be the best?



My choices would be in order from best to worst

1) Bernie
2) Clinton
3) Kasich
4) Move to Canada
5) Trump
6) Cruz

Mine went like this:
1). Bernie
2). Kasich
3). Cruz
4). Donald
5). Clinton

Reasons are simple, both Cruz and Hillary recieved funds from the big money intrest groups, Donald IS the big money intrest group. So that leaves Kasich and Sanders. Kasich wants to rebuild the military and has a plan o do it, Bernie doesn't see this as important though it is, Bernie wants to break up the big banks but Kasich doesn't see this as important though it is.
On the other hand, Bernie is a jew but ate of the pork.

I like Bernie because he has the most integrity, and actually believes in something. I am not a fan of Military Spending but Kasich is the only sane Republican candidate left.

Trump does not need to take money because he is rich, but I do not think he wants the Presidency for anything other than his own ego. I believe if he were not rich he would take money to get elected in a heartbeat.

While I hate Clinton, I think the only one with significantly better character is Bernie.
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4/21/2016 11:51:26 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
None of the above,

ted cruz has shown that he is as underhanded as the hacks he works with,

Clinton; we don"t need more Clinton and she doesn"t take the responsibility seriously by her not only miss handling of classified info that anyone else would go to jail for, she had no concern what so ever, that and the insurance is in her pocket and she knows she is entitled the dem nomination.

Sanders seems a day late and a dollar short all the way around, could be deliberate on the party"s part to give the illusion their not pre-choosing the candidate they owe, by putting a sure loser against her.

Trump, not wonderful but not a part of the standard jerk weed club that hasn"t accomplish anything which qualifies them for public office. He"s a can do guy but his methods could do more harm than good. Win or loss though he has been healthy for the campaign process.

In some cases you go with the devil you know, but we know the ice queen, though there is an effort to change that image, only the young enough not to know better are buying it, so it looks like trump is the best card to play hell or high water, at least he is what you see.
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4/22/2016 12:05:08 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 10:08:54 PM, harrytruman wrote:
Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Hillary Clinton, or Bernie Sanders? I'm divided between John Kasich and Bernie Sanders because Bernie want's to break up the big banks and increase the minimum wage, while John Kasich wants to rebuild the military and lower taxes for te middle class. Who do you think would be the best?

Elizabeth Warren. I would be happy with Sanders, but you asked.
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4/22/2016 12:43:23 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 10:08:54 PM, harrytruman wrote:
I'm divided between John Kasich and Bernie Sanders

Are you a socialist or something? I thought you were conservative?
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4/22/2016 12:44:52 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 11:23:54 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 4/21/2016 10:08:54 PM, harrytruman wrote:
Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Hillary Clinton, or Bernie Sanders? I'm divided between John Kasich and Bernie Sanders because Bernie want's to break up the big banks and increase the minimum wage, while John Kasich wants to rebuild the military and lower taxes for te middle class. Who do you think would be the best?



My choices would be in order from best to worst

1) Bernie
2) Clinton
3) Kasich
4) Move to Canada
5) Trump
6) Cruz

"Move to Canada" How original.
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4/22/2016 12:57:51 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 11:27:47 PM, harrytruman wrote:
Donald IS the big money intrest group.

Having a lot of money does not necessarily equate to only holding the interests of big banks and such. The world's richest person (Bill Gates) is also the world's biggest philanthropist. The same could be said with Donald Trump, about being a philanthropist.
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4/22/2016 1:04:11 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 11:10:26 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 4/21/2016 10:19:59 PM, Torton wrote:
Bernie > Kasich > Trump > Hillary > Cruz.

Since Bernie and Kasich have no chance, though, it's effectively: Trump > Hillary > Cruz.

Actualy, kasich beats Hillary Clinton in every poll:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

Donald and Cruz lose in every poll:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

If you trust that those are accurate, you should be voting for Chafee.
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4/22/2016 1:08:48 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 11:10:26 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 4/21/2016 10:19:59 PM, Torton wrote:
Bernie > Kasich > Trump > Hillary > Cruz.

Since Bernie and Kasich have no chance, though, it's effectively: Trump > Hillary > Cruz.

Actualy, kasich beats Hillary Clinton in every poll:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

Donald and Cruz lose in every poll:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...
I think he's referring to probability of getting the nomination. Polls have repeatedly proven themselves useless at predicting this race
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4/22/2016 1:29:19 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Gary Johnson.

IMO a third party president would be the most capable of actually accomplishing something in the White House because they would be free of the established two party feud.
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4/22/2016 2:40:08 AM
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I like Bernie because he has the most integrity, and actually believes in something. I am not a fan of Military Spending but Kasich is the only sane Republican candidate left.

Kasich belives in something too, the constitution, human rights for unborn babies, the bible, defense, etc. Also, we have the least ships and the least armed forces since any point since 1910, so yes we need to rebuild the military we can't defend oursaelves sufficiently as of now. I do not however believe in wastefull military spending, just as I do not believe in wastefullgoveronment spending in any form. Military spending does help the economy though, starts jobs, spurs industry, etc., historicaly military spending does help an economy drastically.

Trump does not need to take money because he is rich, but I do not think he wants the Presidency for anything other than his own ego. I believe if he were not rich he would take money to get elected in a heartbeat.

No, if Trump would give up monetary gain because he didn't need it he was already rich he would pay his workers better and make his hotels a little less- filfy. Regardless, he IS the big money that we need to take down so this doesn't really make him a bettter canidate, not taking money.

While I hate Clinton, I think the only one with significantly better character is Bernie.

Kasich has significantly better charactar than Clinton, and he never received money from walstreet or made speeches on walstreet, rather, he has a standing record as a good goveronor, when he came into office, Ohio had a 8 billion dollar deficit, and he turned it into a 2 billion dollar surplus.
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4/22/2016 2:46:24 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 1:29:19 AM, U.n wrote:
Gary Johnson.

IMO a third party president would be the most capable of actually accomplishing something in the White House because they would be free of the established two party feud.

Literally the exact opposite would happen. The situation in Washington DC at this point is that If youre not with the party, youre against the party, and there would be no incentive for the GOP or Dems to work with a third party president should one even be elected.... A President without a party to back him up on legislation in the halls of Congress would make the President a powerless position, so thinking a third party president could fix Congress is about as dumb as thinking that a rubber band could have saved the titanic from sinking.....

Gary Johnson is also an incompetent tool. He only became a libertarian after he was washed out of the GOP when he ran in 2012, and he went on to only get 1% of the final vote in a contest between Obama and Romney. If youre going to advocate for a third party candidate, at least pick someone who didnt become a third party candidate just because they flamed out badly from one of the other two parties
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4/22/2016 2:47:20 AM
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ted cruz has shown that he is as underhanded as the hacks he works with,

He said something very innapropriate about America too, it's like he has no sense of what's scially acceptable ads unacceptable, also he took money from the oil companies and the big money.

Clinton; we don"t need more Clinton and she doesn"t take the responsibility seriously by her not only miss handling of classified info that anyone else would go to jail for, she had no concern what so ever, that and the insurance is in her pocket and she knows she is entitled the dem nomination.

She lied and she recieved money from the big money on wallstreet, and the email scandall, and the "super predator" comment, shee should know, SHE'S MARRIED TO ONE!! Tons of reasons.

Sanders seems a day late and a dollar short all the way around, could be deliberate on the party"s part to give the illusion their not pre-choosing the candidate they owe, by putting a sure loser against her.

He would take down the big money and stop police violence though. He seems like a great guy and I'm a conservative, his beliefs in regards to homosexuality and infanticide (abortion) I STRONGLY disagree with.

Trump, not wonderful but not a part of the standard jerk weed club that hasn"t accomplish anything which qualifies them for public office. He"s a can do guy but his methods could do more harm than good. Win or loss though he has been healthy for the campaign process.

Well he wants to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it, geeze, only 27 years ago Ronald Reagan was saying "Tear DOWN that wall," and now we have this joker saying we should BUILD a wall!

In some cases you go with the devil you know, but we know the ice queen, though there is an effort to change that image, only the young enough not to know better are buying it, so it looks like trump is the best card to play hell or high water, at least he is what you see.

You didn't go over John Kasich though, he's just funny.
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4/22/2016 2:48:06 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 12:05:08 AM, TBR wrote:
At 4/21/2016 10:08:54 PM, harrytruman wrote:
Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Hillary Clinton, or Bernie Sanders? I'm divided between John Kasich and Bernie Sanders because Bernie want's to break up the big banks and increase the minimum wage, while John Kasich wants to rebuild the military and lower taxes for te middle class. Who do you think would be the best?

Elizabeth Warren. I would be happy with Sanders, but you asked.

She's not running.
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4/22/2016 2:52:15 AM
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At 4/22/2016 12:43:23 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 4/21/2016 10:08:54 PM, harrytruman wrote:
I'm divided between John Kasich and Bernie Sanders

Are you a socialist or something? I thought you were conservative?

I don't agree with EVERYTHING he says, I agree that capitalism is impossible to exist in a place where there is no competition, thus I believe that someone should take down the big banks, I believe that police men should be forced to obey the law like the rest of us, and I, like Adam Smith, believe that it is impossible for a socioty to fully prosper while it's populus are living off of 7.25$ a hour (crap wages) and I, like Adam Smith, believe that the rich should pay more taxes. Adam Smith INVENTED Capitalism:

"No society can surely be flourishing and happy of which by far the greater part of the numbers are poor and miserable. " - Adam Smith arguing against income inequality.

"It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion." - Adam Smith arguing for a progressive tax.
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4/22/2016 2:53:29 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 12:57:51 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 4/21/2016 11:27:47 PM, harrytruman wrote:
Donald IS the big money intrest group.

Having a lot of money does not necessarily equate to only holding the interests of big banks and such. The world's richest person (Bill Gates) is also the world's biggest philanthropist. The same could be said with Donald Trump, about being a philanthropist.

No, but he did beat his wife, hired Mexican Immigrants so he can flake out on their wages, and he builds crappy hotels.
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4/22/2016 2:53:58 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 1:04:11 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 4/21/2016 11:10:26 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 4/21/2016 10:19:59 PM, Torton wrote:
Bernie > Kasich > Trump > Hillary > Cruz.

Since Bernie and Kasich have no chance, though, it's effectively: Trump > Hillary > Cruz.

Actualy, kasich beats Hillary Clinton in every poll:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

Donald and Cruz lose in every poll:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

If you trust that those are accurate, you should be voting for Chafee.

Who's Chafee.
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4/22/2016 2:54:38 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 1:08:48 AM, someloser wrote:
At 4/21/2016 11:10:26 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 4/21/2016 10:19:59 PM, Torton wrote:
Bernie > Kasich > Trump > Hillary > Cruz.

Since Bernie and Kasich have no chance, though, it's effectively: Trump > Hillary > Cruz.

Actualy, kasich beats Hillary Clinton in every poll:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

Donald and Cruz lose in every poll:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...
I think he's referring to probability of getting the nomination. Polls have repeatedly proven themselves useless at predicting this race

How so?
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4/22/2016 2:55:17 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 1:29:19 AM, U.n wrote:
Gary Johnson.

IMO a third party president would be the most capable of actually accomplishing something in the White House because they would be free of the established two party feud.

Yes, but I meant of someone who can win.
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4/22/2016 2:55:40 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 2:53:58 AM, harrytruman wrote:
At 4/22/2016 1:04:11 AM, ColeTrain wrote:
At 4/21/2016 11:10:26 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 4/21/2016 10:19:59 PM, Torton wrote:
Bernie > Kasich > Trump > Hillary > Cruz.

Since Bernie and Kasich have no chance, though, it's effectively: Trump > Hillary > Cruz.

Actualy, kasich beats Hillary Clinton in every poll:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

Donald and Cruz lose in every poll:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

If you trust that those are accurate, you should be voting for Chafee.

Who's Chafee.

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4/22/2016 2:56:56 AM
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At 4/22/2016 2:54:38 AM, harrytruman wrote:
At 4/22/2016 1:08:48 AM, someloser wrote:
At 4/21/2016 11:10:26 PM, harrytruman wrote:
At 4/21/2016 10:19:59 PM, Torton wrote:
Bernie > Kasich > Trump > Hillary > Cruz.

Since Bernie and Kasich have no chance, though, it's effectively: Trump > Hillary > Cruz.

Actualy, kasich beats Hillary Clinton in every poll:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

Donald and Cruz lose in every poll:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com...
I think he's referring to probability of getting the nomination. Polls have repeatedly proven themselves useless at predicting this race

How so?

They just have. They haven't been accurate. Why was Jeb polling so low? He was the shoe-in a while back. It's just that they haven't done well. My post earlier was getting at what someloser said... the polls haven't been accurate, nor will they be for the election. Voter turnout will be high for Trump, low for Clinton.
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4/22/2016 3:01:19 AM
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At 4/22/2016 2:53:29 AM, harrytruman wrote:
At 4/22/2016 12:57:51 AM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 4/21/2016 11:27:47 PM, harrytruman wrote:
Donald IS the big money intrest group.

Having a lot of money does not necessarily equate to only holding the interests of big banks and such. The world's richest person (Bill Gates) is also the world's biggest philanthropist. The same could be said with Donald Trump, about being a philanthropist.

No, but he did beat his wife, hired Mexican Immigrants so he can flake out on their wages, and he builds crappy hotels.

He'll benefit off a corrupt system if he can, but he wants to change that now. Trump never beat his ex wife, unless you're talking about an alleged rape report with no proof.
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4/22/2016 3:25:14 AM
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At 4/22/2016 2:54:38 AM, harrytruman wrote:
How so?

Look at how much Trump's "ceiling" changes, each and every time
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4/22/2016 4:01:55 AM
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At 4/21/2016 10:08:54 PM, harrytruman wrote:
Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Hillary Clinton, or Bernie Sanders? I'm divided between John Kasich and Bernie Sanders because Bernie want's to break up the big banks and increase the minimum wage, while John Kasich wants to rebuild the military and lower taxes for te middle class. Who do you think would be the best?

Why should we choose from any of these? We should be able select as well as elect those in office! I would choose any candidate that has the basis of their platform, Sovereignty. Or else your just choosing a SLAVE-MASTER. If you don't have the rite to own your own home and property, without any attatchments, eg taxes, property or otherwise, then what is the point. Enslavement!
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4/22/2016 4:23:21 AM
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At 4/22/2016 4:01:55 AM, Begin wrote:
At 4/21/2016 10:08:54 PM, harrytruman wrote:
Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, John Kasich, Hillary Clinton, or Bernie Sanders? I'm divided between John Kasich and Bernie Sanders because Bernie want's to break up the big banks and increase the minimum wage, while John Kasich wants to rebuild the military and lower taxes for te middle class. Who do you think would be the best?

Why should we choose from any of these? We should be able select as well as elect those in office! I would choose any candidate that has the basis of their platform, Sovereignty. Or else your just choosing a SLAVE-MASTER. If you don't have the rite to own your own home and property, without any attatchments, eg taxes, property or otherwise, then what is the point. Enslavement!

Until smeone of a third party gets elected no one else can win.