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4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.
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4/23/2016 7:10:43 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.
have yet to find the definition of "twatle" but yes those posts have as much accuracy and reliability as a Donald Trump tweet
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4/23/2016 7:12:05 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

^^^
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4/23/2016 7:27:28 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

From what I know some of the stuff there is untrue, though I'm not the most knowledgeable on the topic.
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4/23/2016 9:51:12 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.

Actually most of these are accurate. Which ones do you have an issue with?
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4/23/2016 11:02:32 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 9:51:12 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.

Actually most of these are accurate. Which ones do you have an issue with?

Are you seriously taking that seriously?? The most ridiculous one, "I'm a pacifist", appears six times.
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4/23/2016 11:08:53 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 11:02:32 PM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 9:51:12 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.

Actually most of these are accurate. Which ones do you have an issue with?

Are you seriously taking that seriously?? The most ridiculous one, "I'm a pacifist", appears six times.

Bernie has said he opposes military intervention in the middle east, but he supported to fund every one of them...
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4/24/2016 12:07:57 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 11:08:53 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:02:32 PM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 9:51:12 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.

Actually most of these are accurate. Which ones do you have an issue with?

Are you seriously taking that seriously?? The most ridiculous one, "I'm a pacifist", appears six times.

Bernie has said he opposes military intervention in the middle east, but he supported to fund every one of them...

But that's misleading as he never actually voted on the bills in question because he wanted to fund the Iraq War.

https://pplswar.wordpress.com...

Do your research. Don't be lazy and assert mindless crap.
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4/24/2016 12:20:59 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:07:57 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:08:53 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:02:32 PM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 9:51:12 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.

Actually most of these are accurate. Which ones do you have an issue with?

Are you seriously taking that seriously?? The most ridiculous one, "I'm a pacifist", appears six times.

Bernie has said he opposes military intervention in the middle east, but he supported to fund every one of them...

But that's misleading as he never actually voted on the bills in question because he wanted to fund the Iraq War.

https://pplswar.wordpress.com...

Do your research. Don't be lazy and assert mindless crap.

In 1993, Bernie voted YEA on HR 2446 - Military Construction Fiscal Year 1994 Appropriations Bill, which provided $3.63 billion for military construction.

That same year, he also voted in favor of S J Res 45 - Authorization for Use of US Armed Forces in Somalia, which authorized President Bill Clinton to use US troops in Somalia for the purpose of providing logistical support to the United Nations peacekeeping force.

In 1994, Bernie voted in favor of HR 4453 - Military Construction FY95 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.52 billion for military construction.

To his credit, Bernie voted in 1995 for H Res 247 - Bosnia Troop Deployment Resolution, which expressed the intention of the United States to withhold the use of ground forces in the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina and to require approval from Congress before any ground forces are deployed. Yet, as later votes would show, Bernie's opposition to ground forces doesn't necessarily mean opposition to overall military intervention.

The following year, Bernie voted in favor of HR 3107 - Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996, which "imposes sanctions on persons exporting certain goods or technology that would enhance Iran's ability to explore for, extract, refine, or transport by pipeline petroleum resources, and for other purposes."

In 1997, Bernie voted for HR 2159 - Foreign Operations FY98 Appropriations bill, which included: $3 billion for Israel, including $1.8 billion in military assistance and $1.2 billion in economic assistance; $2.12 billion for Egypt, including $1.3 billion in military assistance and $815 million in economic assistance; $770 million for former Soviet Republics; and $215 million for international narcotics control and law enforcement.

He also voted for HR 4059 - Military Construction FY99 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.82 billion for general military construction.

In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

In 1999, Bernie voted for HR 2465, which provided $4 billion for military construction, and he voted for HR 3196, which provided: $2.16 billion for military and economic assistance to Israel; $760 million for military and economic assistance to Egypt; $535 million for Eastern European and the Baltic States, including $150 million for assistance to Kosovo; $300 million for military and economic assistance to Jordan; and $285 million for international narcotics control.

Writes Ron Jacobs of Counter Punch, 3/31/2003:

"For those of us with a memory longer than the average US news reporter, we can his position and told them to leave if they didn't like what he had to say."

In 2001, Bernie supported HR 1954, which extended the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act of 1996.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 - Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

It should be noted that this measure was passed by an overwhelming vote of 420-1. Even the passionately anti-interventionist Ron Paul supported HJ Res 64.

In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq.

However, he would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 - an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 - as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

He also voted in favor of HR 2800 - Foreign Operations Appropriations, FY 2004 bill, which granted $1.8 billion in military and economic assistance to Egypt and $2.2 billion for Israeli military assistance.

In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 - Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2007, he supported HR 1585 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a "complicated issue" and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

In 2014, Bernie came out in favor of levying economic sanctions (an act of war) against Russia: "The entire world has got to stand up to Putin," he said. "We've got to deal with sanctions."
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4/24/2016 12:22:53 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:07:57 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:08:53 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:02:32 PM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 9:51:12 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.

Actually most of these are accurate. Which ones do you have an issue with?

Are you seriously taking that seriously?? The most ridiculous one, "I'm a pacifist", appears six times.

Bernie has said he opposes military intervention in the middle east, but he supported to fund every one of them...

But that's misleading as he never actually voted on the bills in question because he wanted to fund the Iraq War.

https://pplswar.wordpress.com...

Do your research. Don't be lazy and assert mindless crap.

You counter facebook research with wordpress research? Really?
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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4/24/2016 12:24:36 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:07:57 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:08:53 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:02:32 PM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 9:51:12 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.

Actually most of these are accurate. Which ones do you have an issue with?

Are you seriously taking that seriously?? The most ridiculous one, "I'm a pacifist", appears six times.

Bernie has said he opposes military intervention in the middle east, but he supported to fund every one of them...

But that's misleading as he never actually voted on the bills in question because he wanted to fund the Iraq War.

https://pplswar.wordpress.com...

Do your research. Don't be lazy and assert mindless crap.

*Important One*

In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.
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4/24/2016 12:25:30 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:20:59 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:07:57 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:08:53 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:02:32 PM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 9:51:12 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.

Actually most of these are accurate. Which ones do you have an issue with?

Are you seriously taking that seriously?? The most ridiculous one, "I'm a pacifist", appears six times.

Bernie has said he opposes military intervention in the middle east, but he supported to fund every one of them...

But that's misleading as he never actually voted on the bills in question because he wanted to fund the Iraq War.

https://pplswar.wordpress.com...

Do your research. Don't be lazy and assert mindless crap.

In 1993, Bernie voted YEA on HR 2446 - Military Construction Fiscal Year 1994 Appropriations Bill, which provided $3.63 billion for military construction.

That same year, he also voted in favor of S J Res 45 - Authorization for Use of US Armed Forces in Somalia, which authorized President Bill Clinton to use US troops in Somalia for the purpose of providing logistical support to the United Nations peacekeeping force.

In 1994, Bernie voted in favor of HR 4453 - Military Construction FY95 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.52 billion for military construction.

To his credit, Bernie voted in 1995 for H Res 247 - Bosnia Troop Deployment Resolution, which expressed the intention of the United States to withhold the use of ground forces in the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina and to require approval from Congress before any ground forces are deployed. Yet, as later votes would show, Bernie's opposition to ground forces doesn't necessarily mean opposition to overall military intervention.

The following year, Bernie voted in favor of HR 3107 - Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996, which "imposes sanctions on persons exporting certain goods or technology that would enhance Iran's ability to explore for, extract, refine, or transport by pipeline petroleum resources, and for other purposes."

In 1997, Bernie voted for HR 2159 - Foreign Operations FY98 Appropriations bill, which included: $3 billion for Israel, including $1.8 billion in military assistance and $1.2 billion in economic assistance; $2.12 billion for Egypt, including $1.3 billion in military assistance and $815 million in economic assistance; $770 million for former Soviet Republics; and $215 million for international narcotics control and law enforcement.

He also voted for HR 4059 - Military Construction FY99 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.82 billion for general military construction.

In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

In 1999, Bernie voted for HR 2465, which provided $4 billion for military construction, and he voted for HR 3196, which provided: $2.16 billion for military and economic assistance to Israel; $760 million for military and economic assistance to Egypt; $535 million for Eastern European and the Baltic States, including $150 million for assistance to Kosovo; $300 million for military and economic assistance to Jordan; and $285 million for international narcotics control.

Writes Ron Jacobs of Counter Punch, 3/31/2003:

"For those of us with a memory longer than the average US news reporter, we can his position and told them to leave if they didn't like what he had to say."

In 2001, Bernie supported HR 1954, which extended the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act of 1996.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 - Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

It should be noted that this measure was passed by an overwhelming vote of 420-1. Even the passionately anti-interventionist Ron Paul supported HJ Res 64.

In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq.

However, he would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 - an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 - as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

He also voted in favor of HR 2800 - Foreign Operations Appropriations, FY 2004 bill, which granted $1.8 billion in military and economic assistance to Egypt and $2.2 billion for Israeli military assistance.

In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 - Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2007, he supported HR 1585 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a "complicated issue" and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

In 2014, Bernie came out in favor of levying economic sanctions (an act of war) against Russia: "The entire world has got to stand up to Putin," he said. "We've got to deal with sanctions."

This might be the single biggest waste of time I've seen in ages. What's the point in shooting at a dead man?
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4/24/2016 12:27:43 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:25:30 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:20:59 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:07:57 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:08:53 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:02:32 PM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 9:51:12 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.

Actually most of these are accurate. Which ones do you have an issue with?

Are you seriously taking that seriously?? The most ridiculous one, "I'm a pacifist", appears six times.

Bernie has said he opposes military intervention in the middle east, but he supported to fund every one of them...

But that's misleading as he never actually voted on the bills in question because he wanted to fund the Iraq War.

https://pplswar.wordpress.com...

Do your research. Don't be lazy and assert mindless crap.

In 1993, Bernie voted YEA on HR 2446 - Military Construction Fiscal Year 1994 Appropriations Bill, which provided $3.63 billion for military construction.

That same year, he also voted in favor of S J Res 45 - Authorization for Use of US Armed Forces in Somalia, which authorized President Bill Clinton to use US troops in Somalia for the purpose of providing logistical support to the United Nations peacekeeping force.

In 1994, Bernie voted in favor of HR 4453 - Military Construction FY95 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.52 billion for military construction.

To his credit, Bernie voted in 1995 for H Res 247 - Bosnia Troop Deployment Resolution, which expressed the intention of the United States to withhold the use of ground forces in the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina and to require approval from Congress before any ground forces are deployed. Yet, as later votes would show, Bernie's opposition to ground forces doesn't necessarily mean opposition to overall military intervention.

The following year, Bernie voted in favor of HR 3107 - Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996, which "imposes sanctions on persons exporting certain goods or technology that would enhance Iran's ability to explore for, extract, refine, or transport by pipeline petroleum resources, and for other purposes."

In 1997, Bernie voted for HR 2159 - Foreign Operations FY98 Appropriations bill, which included: $3 billion for Israel, including $1.8 billion in military assistance and $1.2 billion in economic assistance; $2.12 billion for Egypt, including $1.3 billion in military assistance and $815 million in economic assistance; $770 million for former Soviet Republics; and $215 million for international narcotics control and law enforcement.

He also voted for HR 4059 - Military Construction FY99 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.82 billion for general military construction.

In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

In 1999, Bernie voted for HR 2465, which provided $4 billion for military construction, and he voted for HR 3196, which provided: $2.16 billion for military and economic assistance to Israel; $760 million for military and economic assistance to Egypt; $535 million for Eastern European and the Baltic States, including $150 million for assistance to Kosovo; $300 million for military and economic assistance to Jordan; and $285 million for international narcotics control.

Writes Ron Jacobs of Counter Punch, 3/31/2003:

"For those of us with a memory longer than the average US news reporter, we can his position and told them to leave if they didn't like what he had to say."

In 2001, Bernie supported HR 1954, which extended the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act of 1996.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 - Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

It should be noted that this measure was passed by an overwhelming vote of 420-1. Even the passionately anti-interventionist Ron Paul supported HJ Res 64.

In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq.

However, he would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 - an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 - as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

He also voted in favor of HR 2800 - Foreign Operations Appropriations, FY 2004 bill, which granted $1.8 billion in military and economic assistance to Egypt and $2.2 billion for Israeli military assistance.

In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 - Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2007, he supported HR 1585 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a "complicated issue" and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

In 2014, Bernie came out in favor of levying economic sanctions (an act of war) against Russia: "The entire world has got to stand up to Putin," he said. "We've got to deal with sanctions."

This might be the single biggest waste of time I've seen in ages. What's the point in shooting at a dead man?

Because his supporters claim he is consistent on issues, when in reality, he is just another politician. Please see the 1998 Iraqi Liberation Act. I can't really see any justification for him voting YEY for that.
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4/24/2016 12:31:35 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Since we all like to make out Bernie to be consistent, why is it that he paid 13.5% of his income as taxes, while he wants others that have relatively the same income to pay a much higher tax rate?
If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand. - Friedman

Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. -Friedman

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program. - Friedman

Society will never be free until the last Democrat is strangled with the entrails of the last Communist.
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4/24/2016 12:33:17 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:27:43 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:25:30 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:20:59 AM, tajshar2k wrote:

Bernie has said he opposes military intervention in the middle east, but he supported to fund every one of them...

But that's misleading as he never actually voted on the bills in question because he wanted to fund the Iraq War.

https://pplswar.wordpress.com...

Do your research. Don't be lazy and assert mindless crap.

In 1993, Bernie voted YEA on HR 2446 - Military Construction Fiscal Year 1994 Appropriations Bill, which provided $3.63 billion for military construction.

That same year, he also voted in favor of S J Res 45 - Authorization for Use of US Armed Forces in Somalia, which authorized President Bill Clinton to use US troops in Somalia for the purpose of providing logistical support to the United Nations peacekeeping force.

In 1994, Bernie voted in favor of HR 4453 - Military Construction FY95 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.52 billion for military construction.

To his credit, Bernie voted in 1995 for H Res 247 - Bosnia Troop Deployment Resolution, which expressed the intention of the United States to withhold the use of ground forces in the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina and to require approval from Congress before any ground forces are deployed. Yet, as later votes would show, Bernie's opposition to ground forces doesn't necessarily mean opposition to overall military intervention.

The following year, Bernie voted in favor of HR 3107 - Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996, which "imposes sanctions on persons exporting certain goods or technology that would enhance Iran's ability to explore for, extract, refine, or transport by pipeline petroleum resources, and for other purposes."

In 1997, Bernie voted for HR 2159 - Foreign Operations FY98 Appropriations bill, which included: $3 billion for Israel, including $1.8 billion in military assistance and $1.2 billion in economic assistance; $2.12 billion for Egypt, including $1.3 billion in military assistance and $815 million in economic assistance; $770 million for former Soviet Republics; and $215 million for international narcotics control and law enforcement.

He also voted for HR 4059 - Military Construction FY99 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.82 billion for general military construction.

In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

In 1999, Bernie voted for HR 2465, which provided $4 billion for military construction, and he voted for HR 3196, which provided: $2.16 billion for military and economic assistance to Israel; $760 million for military and economic assistance to Egypt; $535 million for Eastern European and the Baltic States, including $150 million for assistance to Kosovo; $300 million for military and economic assistance to Jordan; and $285 million for international narcotics control.

Writes Ron Jacobs of Counter Punch, 3/31/2003:

"For those of us with a memory longer than the average US news reporter, we can his position and told them to leave if they didn't like what he had to say."

In 2001, Bernie supported HR 1954, which extended the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act of 1996.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 - Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

It should be noted that this measure was passed by an overwhelming vote of 420-1. Even the passionately anti-interventionist Ron Paul supported HJ Res 64.

In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq.

However, he would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 - an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 - as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

He also voted in favor of HR 2800 - Foreign Operations Appropriations, FY 2004 bill, which granted $1.8 billion in military and economic assistance to Egypt and $2.2 billion for Israeli military assistance.

In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 - Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2007, he supported HR 1585 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a "complicated issue" and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

In 2014, Bernie came out in favor of levying economic sanctions (an act of war) against Russia: "The entire world has got to stand up to Putin," he said. "We've got to deal with sanctions."

This might be the single biggest waste of time I've seen in ages. What's the point in shooting at a dead man?

Because his supporters claim he is consistent on issues, when in reality, he is just another politician. Please se

Again - so? His supporters lost. He has a 0% chance of winning. Why does it matter?
On the topic, though, every one you wrote about sanctions doesn't contradict his anti-interventionist stance. So it doesn't help you.
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4/24/2016 12:34:30 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:25:30 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:20:59 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:07:57 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:08:53 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:02:32 PM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 9:51:12 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.

Actually most of these are accurate. Which ones do you have an issue with?

Are you seriously taking that seriously?? The most ridiculous one, "I'm a pacifist", appears six times.

Bernie has said he opposes military intervention in the middle east, but he supported to fund every one of them...

But that's misleading as he never actually voted on the bills in question because he wanted to fund the Iraq War.

https://pplswar.wordpress.com...

Do your research. Don't be lazy and assert mindless crap.

In 1993, Bernie voted YEA on HR 2446 - Military Construction Fiscal Year 1994 Appropriations Bill, which provided $3.63 billion for military construction.

That same year, he also voted in favor of S J Res 45 - Authorization for Use of US Armed Forces in Somalia, which authorized President Bill Clinton to use US troops in Somalia for the purpose of providing logistical support to the United Nations peacekeeping force.

In 1994, Bernie voted in favor of HR 4453 - Military Construction FY95 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.52 billion for military construction.

To his credit, Bernie voted in 1995 for H Res 247 - Bosnia Troop Deployment Resolution, which expressed the intention of the United States to withhold the use of ground forces in the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina and to require approval from Congress before any ground forces are deployed. Yet, as later votes would show, Bernie's opposition to ground forces doesn't necessarily mean opposition to overall military intervention.

The following year, Bernie voted in favor of HR 3107 - Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996, which "imposes sanctions on persons exporting certain goods or technology that would enhance Iran's ability to explore for, extract, refine, or transport by pipeline petroleum resources, and for other purposes."

In 1997, Bernie voted for HR 2159 - Foreign Operations FY98 Appropriations bill, which included: $3 billion for Israel, including $1.8 billion in military assistance and $1.2 billion in economic assistance; $2.12 billion for Egypt, including $1.3 billion in military assistance and $815 million in economic assistance; $770 million for former Soviet Republics; and $215 million for international narcotics control and law enforcement.

He also voted for HR 4059 - Military Construction FY99 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.82 billion for general military construction.

In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

In 1999, Bernie voted for HR 2465, which provided $4 billion for military construction, and he voted for HR 3196, which provided: $2.16 billion for military and economic assistance to Israel; $760 million for military and economic assistance to Egypt; $535 million for Eastern European and the Baltic States, including $150 million for assistance to Kosovo; $300 million for military and economic assistance to Jordan; and $285 million for international narcotics control.

Writes Ron Jacobs of Counter Punch, 3/31/2003:

"For those of us with a memory longer than the average US news reporter, we can his position and told them to leave if they didn't like what he had to say."

In 2001, Bernie supported HR 1954, which extended the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act of 1996.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 - Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

It should be noted that this measure was passed by an overwhelming vote of 420-1. Even the passionately anti-interventionist Ron Paul supported HJ Res 64.

In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq.

However, he would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 - an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 - as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

He also voted in favor of HR 2800 - Foreign Operations Appropriations, FY 2004 bill, which granted $1.8 billion in military and economic assistance to Egypt and $2.2 billion for Israeli military assistance.

In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 - Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2007, he supported HR 1585 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a "complicated issue" and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

In 2014, Bernie came out in favor of levying economic sanctions (an act of war) against Russia: "The entire world has got to stand up to Putin," he said. "We've got to deal with sanctions."

This might be the single biggest waste of time I've seen in ages. What's the point in shooting at a dead man?

Not exactly a waste of time as I'm sure many people read it and saw what it was for themselves. If that's the only reply you have to this, then either you are refusing to accept the truth or trying to find some way to weasel yourself out of
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4/24/2016 12:35:15 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:33:17 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:27:43 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:25:30 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:20:59 AM, tajshar2k wrote:

Bernie has said he opposes military intervention in the middle east, but he supported to fund every one of them...

But that's misleading as he never actually voted on the bills in question because he wanted to fund the Iraq War.

https://pplswar.wordpress.com...

Do your research. Don't be lazy and assert mindless crap.

In 1993, Bernie voted YEA on HR 2446 - Military Construction Fiscal Year 1994 Appropriations Bill, which provided $3.63 billion for military construction.

That same year, he also voted in favor of S J Res 45 - Authorization for Use of US Armed Forces in Somalia, which authorized President Bill Clinton to use US troops in Somalia for the purpose of providing logistical support to the United Nations peacekeeping force.

In 1994, Bernie voted in favor of HR 4453 - Military Construction FY95 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.52 billion for military construction.

To his credit, Bernie voted in 1995 for H Res 247 - Bosnia Troop Deployment Resolution, which expressed the intention of the United States to withhold the use of ground forces in the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina and to require approval from Congress before any ground forces are deployed. Yet, as later votes would show, Bernie's opposition to ground forces doesn't necessarily mean opposition to overall military intervention.

The following year, Bernie voted in favor of HR 3107 - Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996, which "imposes sanctions on persons exporting certain goods or technology that would enhance Iran's ability to explore for, extract, refine, or transport by pipeline petroleum resources, and for other purposes."

In 1997, Bernie voted for HR 2159 - Foreign Operations FY98 Appropriations bill, which included: $3 billion for Israel, including $1.8 billion in military assistance and $1.2 billion in economic assistance; $2.12 billion for Egypt, including $1.3 billion in military assistance and $815 million in economic assistance; $770 million for former Soviet Republics; and $215 million for international narcotics control and law enforcement.

He also voted for HR 4059 - Military Construction FY99 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.82 billion for general military construction.

In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

In 1999, Bernie voted for HR 2465, which provided $4 billion for military construction, and he voted for HR 3196, which provided: $2.16 billion for military and economic assistance to Israel; $760 million for military and economic assistance to Egypt; $535 million for Eastern European and the Baltic States, including $150 million for assistance to Kosovo; $300 million for military and economic assistance to Jordan; and $285 million for international narcotics control.

Writes Ron Jacobs of Counter Punch, 3/31/2003:

"For those of us with a memory longer than the average US news reporter, we can his position and told them to leave if they didn't like what he had to say."

In 2001, Bernie supported HR 1954, which extended the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act of 1996.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 - Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

It should be noted that this measure was passed by an overwhelming vote of 420-1. Even the passionately anti-interventionist Ron Paul supported HJ Res 64.

In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq.

However, he would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 - an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 - as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

He also voted in favor of HR 2800 - Foreign Operations Appropriations, FY 2004 bill, which granted $1.8 billion in military and economic assistance to Egypt and $2.2 billion for Israeli military assistance.

In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 - Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2007, he supported HR 1585 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a "complicated issue" and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

In 2014, Bernie came out in favor of levying economic sanctions (an act of war) against Russia: "The entire world has got to stand up to Putin," he said. "We've got to deal with sanctions."

This might be the single biggest waste of time I've seen in ages. What's the point in shooting at a dead man?

Because his supporters claim he is consistent on issues, when in reality, he is just another politician. Please se

Again - so? His supporters lost. He has a 0% chance of winning. Why does it matter?
On the topic, though, every one you wrote about sanctions doesn't contradict his anti-interventionist stance. So it doesn't help you.

He hasn't lost yet...

I suggest you carefully read the list again. I'll give you a hint. Look for something for the year 1998.
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4/24/2016 12:43:14 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:35:15 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:33:17 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:27:43 AM, tajshar2k wrote:

That same year, he also voted in favor of S J Res 45 - Authorization for Use of US Armed Forces in Somalia, which authorized President Bill Clinton to use US troops in Somalia for the purpose of providing logistical support to the United Nations peacekeeping force.

In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 - Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

It should be noted that this measure was passed by an overwhelming vote of 420-1. Even the passionately anti-interventionist Ron Paul supported HJ Res 64.

In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq.

However, he would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

Sanders has directly responded to this one with the whole, "well, if you're going to do it anyway, you might as well do it right."

In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 - an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 - as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

I'm iffy on deleting these two.

In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 - Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2007, he supported HR 1585 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a "complicated issue" and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

This might be the single biggest waste of time I've seen in ages. What's the point in shooting at a dead man?

Because his supporters claim he is consistent on issues, when in reality, he is just another politician. Please se

Again - so? His supporters lost. He has a 0% chance of winning. Why does it matter?
On the topic, though, every one you wrote about sanctions doesn't contradict his anti-interventionist stance. So it doesn't help you.

He hasn't lost yet...

Yes. He has. It is impossible for him to win.

I suggest you carefully read the list again. I'll give you a hint. Look for something for the year 1998.

But. WHY. Pretend I agree with every single one. So what?

Actually, here. Let me delete all the ones that aren't contradictory.
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4/24/2016 12:46:16 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:43:14 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:35:15 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:33:17 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:27:43 AM, tajshar2k wrote:

That same year, he also voted in favor of S J Res 45 - Authorization for Use of US Armed Forces in Somalia, which authorized President Bill Clinton to use US troops in Somalia for the purpose of providing logistical support to the United Nations peacekeeping force.


In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 - Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

It should be noted that this measure was passed by an overwhelming vote of 420-1. Even the passionately anti-interventionist Ron Paul supported HJ Res 64.

In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq.

However, he would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

Sanders has directly responded to this one with the whole, "well, if you're going to do it anyway, you might as well do it right."

In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 - an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 - as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

I'm iffy on deleting these two.

In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 - Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2007, he supported HR 1585 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a "complicated issue" and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

This might be the single biggest waste of time I've seen in ages. What's the point in shooting at a dead man?

Because his supporters claim he is consistent on issues, when in reality, he is just another politician. Please se

Again - so? His supporters lost. He has a 0% chance of winning. Why does it matter?
On the topic, though, every one you wrote about sanctions doesn't contradict his anti-interventionist stance. So it doesn't help you.

He hasn't lost yet...


Yes. He has. It is impossible for him to win.

I suggest you carefully read the list again. I'll give you a hint. Look for something for the year 1998.

But. WHY. Pretend I agree with every single one. So what?

What kind of reply is this? I'm just showing he isn't consistent, and your reply is "So what"?

Actually, here. Let me delete all the ones that aren't contradictory.
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4/24/2016 12:49:23 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:46:16 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:43:14 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:35:15 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:33:17 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:27:43 AM, tajshar2k wrote:

That same year, he also voted in favor of S J Res 45 - Authorization for Use of US Armed Forces in Somalia, which authorized President Bill Clinton to use US troops in Somalia for the purpose of providing logistical support to the United Nations peacekeeping force.


In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 - Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

It should be noted that this measure was passed by an overwhelming vote of 420-1. Even the passionately anti-interventionist Ron Paul supported HJ Res 64.

In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq.

However, he would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

Sanders has directly responded to this one with the whole, "well, if you're going to do it anyway, you might as well do it right."

In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 - an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 - as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

I'm iffy on deleting these two.

In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 - Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2007, he supported HR 1585 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a "complicated issue" and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

This might be the single biggest waste of time I've seen in ages. What's the point in shooting at a dead man?

Because his supporters claim he is consistent on issues, when in reality, he is just another politician. Please se

Again - so? His supporters lost. He has a 0% chance of winning. Why does it matter?
On the topic, though, every one you wrote about sanctions doesn't contradict his anti-interventionist stance. So it doesn't help you.

He hasn't lost yet...


Yes. He has. It is impossible for him to win.

I suggest you carefully read the list again. I'll give you a hint. Look for something for the year 1998.

But. WHY. Pretend I agree with every single one. So what?

What kind of reply is this? I'm just showing he isn't consistent, and your reply is "So what"?

Yup. Why the hell should I care how consistent or not he is WHEN HE HAS ALREADY LOST AND CANNOT WIN, so if doesn't matter anyway?

Actually, here. Let me delete all the ones that aren't contradictory.
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4/24/2016 12:52:22 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:49:23 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:46:16 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:43:14 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:35:15 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:33:17 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:27:43 AM, tajshar2k wrote:

That same year, he also voted in favor of S J Res 45 - Authorization for Use of US Armed Forces in Somalia, which authorized President Bill Clinton to use US troops in Somalia for the purpose of providing logistical support to the United Nations peacekeeping force.


In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 - Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

It should be noted that this measure was passed by an overwhelming vote of 420-1. Even the passionately anti-interventionist Ron Paul supported HJ Res 64.

In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq.

However, he would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

Sanders has directly responded to this one with the whole, "well, if you're going to do it anyway, you might as well do it right."

In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 - an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 - as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

I'm iffy on deleting these two.

In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 - Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2007, he supported HR 1585 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a "complicated issue" and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

This might be the single biggest waste of time I've seen in ages. What's the point in shooting at a dead man?

Because his supporters claim he is consistent on issues, when in reality, he is just another politician. Please se

Again - so? His supporters lost. He has a 0% chance of winning. Why does it matter?
On the topic, though, every one you wrote about sanctions doesn't contradict his anti-interventionist stance. So it doesn't help you.

He hasn't lost yet...


Yes. He has. It is impossible for him to win.

I suggest you carefully read the list again. I'll give you a hint. Look for something for the year 1998.

But. WHY. Pretend I agree with every single one. So what?

What kind of reply is this? I'm just showing he isn't consistent, and your reply is "So what"?

Yup. Why the hell should I care how consistent or not he is WHEN HE HAS ALREADY LOST AND CANNOT WIN, so if doesn't matter anyway?

That's because he hasn't lost, are you telling me Hillary Clinton was been declared the winner already?

If I was actually wrong, I'm sure you would have pointed that out, rather than giving me a lecture on why it doesn't matter anymore.

Actually, here. Let me delete all the ones that aren't contradictory.
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4/24/2016 12:55:16 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:20:59 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:07:57 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:08:53 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:02:32 PM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 9:51:12 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.

Actually most of these are accurate. Which ones do you have an issue with?

Are you seriously taking that seriously?? The most ridiculous one, "I'm a pacifist", appears six times.

Bernie has said he opposes military intervention in the middle east, but he supported to fund every one of them...

But that's misleading as he never actually voted on the bills in question because he wanted to fund the Iraq War.

https://pplswar.wordpress.com...

Do your research. Don't be lazy and assert mindless crap.

In 1993, Bernie voted YEA on HR 2446 - Military Construction Fiscal Year 1994 Appropriations Bill, which provided $3.63 billion for military construction.

That same year, he also voted in favor of S J Res 45 - Authorization for Use of US Armed Forces in Somalia, which authorized President Bill Clinton to use US troops in Somalia for the purpose of providing logistical support to the United Nations peacekeeping force.

In 1994, Bernie voted in favor of HR 4453 - Military Construction FY95 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.52 billion for military construction.

To his credit, Bernie voted in 1995 for H Res 247 - Bosnia Troop Deployment Resolution, which expressed the intention of the United States to withhold the use of ground forces in the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina and to require approval from Congress before any ground forces are deployed. Yet, as later votes would show, Bernie's opposition to ground forces doesn't necessarily mean opposition to overall military intervention.

The following year, Bernie voted in favor of HR 3107 - Iran and Libya Sanctions Act of 1996, which "imposes sanctions on persons exporting certain goods or technology that would enhance Iran's ability to explore for, extract, refine, or transport by pipeline petroleum resources, and for other purposes."

In 1997, Bernie voted for HR 2159 - Foreign Operations FY98 Appropriations bill, which included: $3 billion for Israel, including $1.8 billion in military assistance and $1.2 billion in economic assistance; $2.12 billion for Egypt, including $1.3 billion in military assistance and $815 million in economic assistance; $770 million for former Soviet Republics; and $215 million for international narcotics control and law enforcement.

He also voted for HR 4059 - Military Construction FY99 Appropriations bill, which provided $2.82 billion for general military construction.

In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

In 1999, Bernie voted for HR 2465, which provided $4 billion for military construction, and he voted for HR 3196, which provided: $2.16 billion for military and economic assistance to Israel; $760 million for military and economic assistance to Egypt; $535 million for Eastern European and the Baltic States, including $150 million for assistance to Kosovo; $300 million for military and economic assistance to Jordan; and $285 million for international narcotics control.

Writes Ron Jacobs of Counter Punch, 3/31/2003:

"For those of us with a memory longer than the average US news reporter, we can his position and told them to leave if they didn't like what he had to say."

In 2001, Bernie supported HR 1954, which extended the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act of 1996.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 - Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

It should be noted that this measure was passed by an overwhelming vote of 420-1. Even the passionately anti-interventionist Ron Paul supported HJ Res 64.

In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq.

However, he would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 - an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 - as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

He also voted in favor of HR 2800 - Foreign Operations Appropriations, FY 2004 bill, which granted $1.8 billion in military and economic assistance to Egypt and $2.2 billion for Israeli military assistance.

In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 - Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2007, he supported HR 1585 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a "complicated issue" and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

In 2014, Bernie came out in favor of levying economic sanctions (an act of war) against Russia: "The entire world has got to stand up to Putin," he said. "We've got to deal with sanctions."

You just regurgitated more misleading information.... oh brother, smh

When I said do your research, I didn't mean go searching the dark corners of the internet for any one sided "facts" you can find that will just support your already biased perspective of Bernie's positions which you claim to be: "Bernie has said he opposes military intervention in the middle east, but he supported to fund every one of them..."

So let's start there. When did he make such a general statement as "opposes military intervention in the middle east" Got some quotes?
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4/24/2016 12:56:12 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:52:22 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:49:23 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:46:16 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:43:14 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:35:15 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:33:17 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:27:43 AM, tajshar2k wrote:

That same year, he also voted in favor of S J Res 45 - Authorization for Use of US Armed Forces in Somalia, which authorized President Bill Clinton to use US troops in Somalia for the purpose of providing logistical support to the United Nations peacekeeping force.


In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

Following the 9/11 attacks, Bernie voted in favor of H J Res 64 - Authorization for Use of Military Force, which allowed President Bush to use the United States Armed Forces against anyone involved with 9/11 and any nation that harbors these individuals.

It should be noted that this measure was passed by an overwhelming vote of 420-1. Even the passionately anti-interventionist Ron Paul supported HJ Res 64.

In 2002, Bernie voted against H J Res 114, which authorized President Bush to use military force against Iraq.

However, he would continue to support bloated military defense bills that would ultimately be used to sustain the war he allegedly disagreed with.

Sanders has directly responded to this one with the whole, "well, if you're going to do it anyway, you might as well do it right."

In 2003, Bernie supported HR 5010, which provided $355.1 billion in appropriations for the Defense Department for fiscal year 2003 - an increase of $37.5 billion from 2002 - as well as: $71.6 billion for procurement of aircraft, missiles, weapons, combat vehicles and shipbuilding; $7.4 billion for ballistic missile defense; and $58.4 million for foreign aid, which includes humanitarian assistance, foreign disaster relief and de-mining programs.

In 2004, Bernie supported HR 4613, which allocated $25 billion for emergency defense spending for operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, and $77.4 billion for the procurement of new weapons.

I'm iffy on deleting these two.

In 2005, Sanders supported HR 2863 - Defense Department FY2006 Appropriations Bill, which provided $50 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2006, Bernie voted for HR 5631, which provided $70 billion for ongoing operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In 2007, he supported HR 1585 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, which granted $187.14 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan operations.

In 2009, he voted in favor of HR 2647, which authorized $309 million for research and evaluation, procurement, or deployment of an alternative Missile Defense System in Europe, and also allowed the Secretary of Defense to increase the active-duty number for the US Army to a number greater than otherwise allowed by law up to the 2010 baseline plus 30,000 troops.

During the same year, he called closing the torturous gulag at Guantanamo a "complicated issue" and ultimately rejected a proposal to shut it down.

In 2011, Bernie co-sponsored S. Res. 85, which urged the UN Security Council to take action to protect civilians in Libya from attack, including the possible imposition of a no-fly zone over Libyan territory.

This might be the single biggest waste of time I've seen in ages. What's the point in shooting at a dead man?

Because his supporters claim he is consistent on issues, when in reality, he is just another politician. Please se

Again - so? His supporters lost. He has a 0% chance of winning. Why does it matter?
On the topic, though, every one you wrote about sanctions doesn't contradict his anti-interventionist stance. So it doesn't help you.

He hasn't lost yet...


Yes. He has. It is impossible for him to win.

I suggest you carefully read the list again. I'll give you a hint. Look for something for the year 1998.

But. WHY. Pretend I agree with every single one. So what?

What kind of reply is this? I'm just showing he isn't consistent, and your reply is "So what"?

Yup. Why the hell should I care how consistent or not he is WHEN HE HAS ALREADY LOST AND CANNOT WIN, so if doesn't matter anyway?

That's because he hasn't lost, are you telling me Hillary Clinton was been declared the winner already?

Sanders has a 0% chance of winning. That's reality. He's down by double-digits in EVERY SINGLE STATE left to vote except Indiana and possibly North Dakota, and he would need to win EVERY SINGLE STATE left by 60%. He has 0 chance. He's lost.

If I was actually wrong, I'm sure you would have pointed that out, rather than giving me a lecture on why it doesn't matter anymore.

I never said you were. I didn't even come in and said you were. I asked you why it was relevant. I asked why you feel the need to waste your time kicking a man when he's down.

Actually, here. Let me delete all the ones that aren't contradictory.
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4/24/2016 1:18:20 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:24:36 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:07:57 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:08:53 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:02:32 PM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 9:51:12 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.

Actually most of these are accurate. Which ones do you have an issue with?

Are you seriously taking that seriously?? The most ridiculous one, "I'm a pacifist", appears six times.

Bernie has said he opposes military intervention in the middle east, but he supported to fund every one of them...

But that's misleading as he never actually voted on the bills in question because he wanted to fund the Iraq War.

https://pplswar.wordpress.com...

Do your research. Don't be lazy and assert mindless crap.

*Important One*

In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

I looked into this and my only response is: Uhmm ... and?

I don't see how this is any different than his position on Syria and Assad. Do you know what his position is Syria and Assad? Because it sounds to me like you still haven't done your homework on this.
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4/24/2016 1:21:18 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 1:18:20 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:24:36 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:07:57 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:08:53 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:02:32 PM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 9:51:12 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.

Actually most of these are accurate. Which ones do you have an issue with?

Are you seriously taking that seriously?? The most ridiculous one, "I'm a pacifist", appears six times.

Bernie has said he opposes military intervention in the middle east, but he supported to fund every one of them...

But that's misleading as he never actually voted on the bills in question because he wanted to fund the Iraq War.

https://pplswar.wordpress.com...

Do your research. Don't be lazy and assert mindless crap.

*Important One*

In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

I looked into this and my only response is: Uhmm ... and?

I don't see how this is any different than his position on Syria and Assad. Do you know what his position is Syria and Assad? Because it sounds to me like you still haven't done your homework on this.

Syria came after Iraq....

You know it's pretty ironic when you keep telling me I didn't do my homework, when you start off by quoting a blog.
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4/24/2016 1:22:08 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:56:12 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Sanders has a 0% chance of winning. That's reality. He's down by double-digits in EVERY SINGLE STATE left to vote except Indiana and possibly North Dakota, and he would need to win EVERY SINGLE STATE left by 60%. He has 0 chance. He's lost.

Not every single state. He's actually polling pretty well in a lot of states. And he needs 58% of the remaining delegates not 60%. Only a 2% increase since New York. Also, state conventions will likely award him more delegates, maybe enough to do a little catch up. It's getting harder for him, that's for sure, but not that much has changed frankly.
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4/24/2016 1:25:01 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 1:21:18 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:18:20 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:24:36 AM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:07:57 AM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:08:53 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:02:32 PM, stealspell wrote:
At 4/23/2016 9:51:12 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
At 4/23/2016 7:07:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:59:35 PM, tajshar2k wrote:
https://www.facebook.com...

Some of that is bluntly false, other parts misleading. Bout the only bits of real criticism that are valid are on gun control.

I'll provide some links for factchecking later, but... it is Facebook twatle.

Actually most of these are accurate. Which ones do you have an issue with?

Are you seriously taking that seriously?? The most ridiculous one, "I'm a pacifist", appears six times.

Bernie has said he opposes military intervention in the middle east, but he supported to fund every one of them...

But that's misleading as he never actually voted on the bills in question because he wanted to fund the Iraq War.

https://pplswar.wordpress.com...

Do your research. Don't be lazy and assert mindless crap.

*Important One*

In 1998, Bernie's name was included as a YEA vote on HR 4655, the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998, which expressed the sense of Congress that it should be the aim of the United States to remove Saddam Hussein from power. President George W. Bush later used the Iraqi Liberation Act to provide justification for military action for the 2003 invasion.

I looked into this and my only response is: Uhmm ... and?

I don't see how this is any different than his position on Syria and Assad. Do you know what his position is Syria and Assad? Because it sounds to me like you still haven't done your homework on this.

Syria came after Iraq....

You know it's pretty ironic when you keep telling me I didn't do my homework, when you start off by quoting a blog.

I didn't quote a blog, son. I cited it. And I did that because I don't want to waste my time explaining the same thing explained there. Also, you're going to have to explain what exactly is ironic about that because I'm more inclined to believe it's just your snobbish way of dismissing what I said. Suit yourself.