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4/23/2016 5:53:48 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Over this month (listed offenses are from most recent to April 1st), North Korea has "claimed" to have done the following: launched a submarine-launched ballistic missile for the first time, tried to launch a BM25 Musudan intermediate-range ballistic missile but was unsuccessful, deployed one or two intermediate-range ballistic missiles on its east coast, accused South Korea of kidnapping its citizens, successfully tested the engine for an intercontinental ballistic missile, it is capable of mounting a nuclear warhead on its medium-range Rodong-1 ballistic missile, threatened a genocide against the United States of America, and fired another ballistic missile off its east coast. From what I can recall, this is the most North Korea ever claimed "actions" in this entire year since it first tested what they claim to have been an atomic bomb back in January. China is condemning these acts and they're piling on more sanctions than a student does with their debt.

So, do you guys think that North Korea is going to actually try something that threatens the stability of this world? Do you think all of this is just "fake" because Un is just throwing a temper tantrum because he can't live up to Kim Il-Sung's expectations? Do you think they actually pose a threat to the United States? In a war that they start, would anyone actually side with them? Would we be justified in preemptively striking North Korea? Discuss.
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4/23/2016 6:06:10 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 5:53:48 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Over this month (listed offenses are from most recent to April 1st), North Korea has "claimed" to have done the following: launched a submarine-launched ballistic missile for the first time, tried to launch a BM25 Musudan intermediate-range ballistic missile but was unsuccessful, deployed one or two intermediate-range ballistic missiles on its east coast, accused South Korea of kidnapping its citizens, successfully tested the engine for an intercontinental ballistic missile, it is capable of mounting a nuclear warhead on its medium-range Rodong-1 ballistic missile, threatened a genocide against the United States of America, and fired another ballistic missile off its east coast. From what I can recall, this is the most North Korea ever claimed "actions" in this entire year since it first tested what they claim to have been an atomic bomb back in January. China is condemning these acts and they're piling on more sanctions than a student does with their debt.

So, do you guys think that North Korea is going to actually try something that threatens the stability of this world?
I do not think that North Korea has the power to threaten the stability in the world, rather I worry about some disaster or war the might create against South Korea. They simply do not have the capabilities to do such this against most modern securoty systems, ie the US
Do you think all of this is just "fake" because Un is just throwing a temper tantrum because he can't live up to Kim Il-Sung's expectations?
I think this is typical of totalitarian nations to exaggerate and boast as propaganda to try to maintain their supposed power and superiority.
Do you think they actually pose a threat to the United States?
See above
In a war that they start, would anyone actually side with them?
No. No country would have an incentive to do so. Russia is simply too financially stretched, China would lose its investments from all over the world.
Would we be justified in preemptively striking North Korea?
It depends on what we strike them with and where. Nukes? No. Airstrikes against their nuclear arms facilities and similar institutions? Possibly.
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4/23/2016 11:23:19 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 5:53:48 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Over this month (listed offenses are from most recent to April 1st), North Korea has "claimed" to have done the following: launched a submarine-launched ballistic missile for the first time, tried to launch a BM25 Musudan intermediate-range ballistic missile but was unsuccessful, deployed one or two intermediate-range ballistic missiles on its east coast, accused South Korea of kidnapping its citizens, successfully tested the engine for an intercontinental ballistic missile, it is capable of mounting a nuclear warhead on its medium-range Rodong-1 ballistic missile, threatened a genocide against the United States of America, and fired another ballistic missile off its east coast. From what I can recall, this is the most North Korea ever claimed "actions" in this entire year since it first tested what they claim to have been an atomic bomb back in January. China is condemning these acts and they're piling on more sanctions than a student does with their debt.

So, do you guys think that North Korea is going to actually try something that threatens the stability of this world? Do you think all of this is just "fake" because Un is just throwing a temper tantrum because he can't live up to Kim Il-Sung's expectations? Do you think they actually pose a threat to the United States? In a war that they start, would anyone actually side with them? Would we be justified in preemptively striking North Korea? Discuss.

North Korea wants the nukes for one reason: leverage. Here's what it can do with nukes:
1. Prevent any country (*cough* America *cough*) from invading
2. Demand large amounts of international aid
3. Perhaps force a South Korean surrender to the North
Kim Jong Un could order a "nuclear rampage" in a moment of anger, but it's unlikely that the Communist Party of the DPRK would follow him this far (that is, even fat boy Kim has limits on his power).
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4/24/2016 3:43:08 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
North Korea is a giant meth experiment, seriously.
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4/24/2016 4:08:49 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 5:53:48 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Over this month (listed offenses are from most recent to April 1st), North Korea has "claimed" to have done the following: launched a submarine-launched ballistic missile for the first time, tried to launch a BM25 Musudan intermediate-range ballistic missile but was unsuccessful, deployed one or two intermediate-range ballistic missiles on its east coast, accused South Korea of kidnapping its citizens, successfully tested the engine for an intercontinental ballistic missile, it is capable of mounting a nuclear warhead on its medium-range Rodong-1 ballistic missile, threatened a genocide against the United States of America, and fired another ballistic missile off its east coast. From what I can recall, this is the most North Korea ever claimed "actions" in this entire year since it first tested what they claim to have been an atomic bomb back in January. China is condemning these acts and they're piling on more sanctions than a student does with their debt.

So, do you guys think that North Korea is going to actually try something that threatens the stability of this world? Do you think all of this is just "fake" because Un is just throwing a temper tantrum because he can't live up to Kim Il-Sung's expectations? Do you think they actually pose a threat to the United States? In a war that they start, would anyone actually side with them? Would we be justified in preemptively striking North Korea? Discuss.

If you have netflix, you should watch a documentary called: THE PROPAGANDA GAME (it really is in all caps). Fantastic documentary that touches on the propaganda from both sides.

I'd say alot of the news is most likely nonsense propaganda from the west, while some of it is absolutely true.

Ultimately, N.K. is the only thing standing between the west and China. We already control S.K., and we *really* want to have some anti-missile bases built up on China's borders (as we do with Russian borders as well), so... yeah, they're going to churn whatever negative publicity they can in order to further damage N.K.s image on a global scale.
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4/24/2016 4:30:15 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 5:53:48 PM, PetersSmith wrote:

Sorry, didn't really answer your questions.

So, do you guys think that North Korea is going to actually try something that threatens the stability of this world?

No, they know they can be destroyed. Kim Jong-Un studied in Switzerland, among other countries, and is no fool. He swiftly took out his father's goons when he assumed power, and somewhat recently took out his uncle and his uncle's goons as well. He's a wise operator in regards to internal politics, which leads me to believe he is no fool with global politics either.

Do you think all of this is just "fake" because Un is just throwing a temper tantrum because he can't live up to Kim Il-Sung's expectations?

No, he is living up to his father's name just fine within the country itself. Don't let western propaganda fool you, the people praise him with as much adornment as they have for both his father and grandfather. The entire 'family' is divine to the people.

Do you think they actually pose a threat to the United States?

No. We have satellites that would take out any nuclear missiles they'd sent our way. They can only really reach Alaska at this point. If they acquire better missiles with longer range, or even satellites, then possibly the threats rises, but not until then.

In a war that they start, would anyone actually side with them?

Its only genuine, notable allies are Russia and Bulgaria. China maintains a generally supportive stance toward N.K., but the relationship is not on the best of terms currently.

Would we be justified in preemptively striking North Korea?

No. We can't preemptively strike anyone at this current point in time. Our world-policing efforts have pissed off quite a few nations, and attacking them with no just cause would be atrocious for our global standing. Can you imagine how quickly countries like China or Russia would denounce us as warmongers? Every country with something to gain from the fall of America would denounce us instantly.

Besides, it's not like the CIA can't construct a convincing false flag op to get the ball rolling. We just have more important tasks to deal with at the moment. Perhaps in a few years when the fight for Africa really starts between America and China, but not until then.
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7/29/2016 12:27:28 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
North Korea says the United States has "crossed the red line in our showdown" after placing sanctions on its leader Kim Jong-un over human rights abuses, and considers the sanctions to be a "declaration of war" by the United States (http://news.sky.com...).
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7/29/2016 7:48:08 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/29/2016 12:27:28 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
North Korea says the United States has "crossed the red line in our showdown" after placing sanctions on its leader Kim Jong-un over human rights abuses, and considers the sanctions to be a "declaration of war" by the United States (http://news.sky.com...).

Probably the best member of DDO to address this question to would be Heavenly Panda, as she lives in An'gol, Hamgyon-bukto, North Korea.
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7/29/2016 9:07:35 AM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 4/23/2016 5:53:48 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Over this month (listed offenses are from most recent to April 1st), North Korea has "claimed" to have done the following: launched a submarine-launched ballistic missile for the first time, tried to launch a BM25 Musudan intermediate-range ballistic missile but was unsuccessful, deployed one or two intermediate-range ballistic missiles on its east coast, accused South Korea of kidnapping its citizens, successfully tested the engine for an intercontinental ballistic missile, it is capable of mounting a nuclear warhead on its medium-range Rodong-1 ballistic missile, threatened a genocide against the United States of America, and fired another ballistic missile off its east coast. From what I can recall, this is the most North Korea ever claimed "actions" in this entire year since it first tested what they claim to have been an atomic bomb back in January. China is condemning these acts and they're piling on more sanctions than a student does with their debt.

So, do you guys think that North Korea is going to actually try something that threatens the stability of this world? Do you think all of this is just "fake" because Un is just throwing a temper tantrum because he can't live up to Kim Il-Sung's expectations? Do you think they actually pose a threat to the United States? In a war that they start, would anyone actually side with them? Would we be justified in preemptively striking North Korea? Discuss.

Their actions since Un took office have been nothing but threatening global stability. Their actions and the Obama administration standard response of...well nothing...forces other nations in the region to react militarily to prepare and protect themselves. These all have long term negative effects. Instead of mean ol' America being the policemen of the globe, keeping everyone in line; democrats have gotten what they wished for and Obama has backed us out, creating a military race is the Pacific between the Asian nations...now instead of one military power keeping everyone in line, you now have every nation in the Pacific building militarily with no mediator to defuse situations.

They do indeed pose a threat to the U.S. in many ways; militarily - it only takes one missile to wreak havoc on the west coast, economically, politically, stressing U.S. relations with allies in the region, piracy, etc.

As we have seen previously, if war were to happen between North Korea and the U.S., China will back North Korea. Once China backs North Korea, Russia will begin flexing their muscles. This will coincide with Iran announcing their backing of North Korea's actions. And your sh!t storm has begun.

A preemptive strike against North Korea, although warranted, would be a bad move. This would immediately throw Chinese backing to North Korea and in their minds validate their war cries of American Imperialism. As we have in previous years, we must sanction North Korea, blockade their naval abilities, tighten the noose around imports and exports, and strangle the life out of their economy to force compliance where compliance is civilly impossible.
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8/22/2016 6:21:47 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
The United States and South Korea has begun conducting military drills today. The North Korean's military said that it will turn Seoul and Washington into "a heap of ashes through a Korean-style pre-emptive nuclear strike" if they show any signs of aggression toward the North's territory (http://bigstory.ap.org...).
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8/22/2016 9:21:15 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 4/23/2016 5:53:48 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Over this month (listed offenses are from most recent to April 1st), North Korea has "claimed" to have done the following: launched a submarine-launched ballistic missile for the first time, tried to launch a BM25 Musudan intermediate-range ballistic missile but was unsuccessful, deployed one or two intermediate-range ballistic missiles on its east coast, accused South Korea of kidnapping its citizens, successfully tested the engine for an intercontinental ballistic missile, it is capable of mounting a nuclear warhead on its medium-range Rodong-1 ballistic missile, threatened a genocide against the United States of America, and fired another ballistic missile off its east coast. From what I can recall, this is the most North Korea ever claimed "actions" in this entire year since it first tested what they claim to have been an atomic bomb back in January. China is condemning these acts and they're piling on more sanctions than a student does with their debt.

So, do you guys think that North Korea is going to actually try something that threatens the stability of this world? Do you think all of this is just "fake" because Un is just throwing a temper tantrum because he can't live up to Kim Il-Sung's expectations? Do you think they actually pose a threat to the United States? In a war that they start, would anyone actually side with them? Would we be justified in preemptively striking North Korea? Discuss.

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8/22/2016 9:22:47 PM
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He also "doesn't ever poop"...

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8/24/2016 10:43:19 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
North Korea is legitimately affecting the safety of the world, however they do not threaten the United States physically, the most dangerous thing they can do is hack our government. We would sadly not be justified if we declare war on them directly, however if South Korea declared war on North Korea because they risked their safety, as the country closest to them they would have good reason. The U.S.A and the rest of the NATO alliance would support them and it would be a fast war as long as the Russians didn't get involved. As for nuclear weapons we would have to make those our first target to take them away as their leader is psychotic.
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8/26/2016 2:13:35 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 4/23/2016 5:53:48 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
So, do you guys think that North Korea is going to actually try something that threatens the stability of this world?

No, they know they will get obliterated.

Do you think all of this is just "fake" because Un is just throwing a temper tantrum because he can't live up to Kim Il-Sung's expectations?

Probably, he's using it for propaganda.

Do you think they actually pose a threat to the United States?

Lol no.

In a war that they start, would anyone actually side with them?

Maybe Russia.

Would we be justified in preemptively striking North Korea?

No.
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8/26/2016 2:58:24 AM
Posted: 3 months ago
North Korea launched a missile from a submarine off the port city of Sinpo in the Sea of Japan, according to U.S. and South Korean officials. This missile, the third sub-based attempt this year, flew about 500 kilometers (311 miles) and landed in waters between the Korean Peninsula and Japan. The first test exploded and the second traveled 30 km (http://www.nbcnews.com...).
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9/9/2016 4:16:50 AM
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It has been reported that North Korea may have tested their largest nuclear weapon yet today/tomorrow (http://www.reuters.com...).
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9/9/2016 1:55:32 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 4:16:50 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
It has been reported that North Korea may have tested their largest nuclear weapon yet today/tomorrow (http://www.reuters.com...).

And they outlawed sarcasm. I'd be on death row by now.
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9/9/2016 2:15:44 PM
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At 9/9/2016 1:55:32 PM, kevin24018 wrote:
At 9/9/2016 4:16:50 AM, PetersSmith wrote:
It has been reported that North Korea may have tested their largest nuclear weapon yet today/tomorrow (http://www.reuters.com...).

And they outlawed sarcasm. I'd be on death row by now.

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9/9/2016 3:54:40 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
Really nothing for us to be concerned about as that is a South Korean/Japanese problem. We should close our bases and let them take care of themselves
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9/9/2016 4:45:10 PM
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At 4/23/2016 5:53:48 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Over this month (listed offenses are from most recent to April 1st), North Korea has "claimed" to have done the following: launched a submarine-launched ballistic missile for the first time, tried to launch a BM25 Musudan intermediate-range ballistic missile but was unsuccessful, deployed one or two intermediate-range ballistic missiles on its east coast, accused South Korea of kidnapping its citizens, successfully tested the engine for an intercontinental ballistic missile, it is capable of mounting a nuclear warhead on its medium-range Rodong-1 ballistic missile, threatened a genocide against the United States of America, and fired another ballistic missile off its east coast. From what I can recall, this is the most North Korea ever claimed "actions" in this entire year since it first tested what they claim to have been an atomic bomb back in January. China is condemning these acts and they're piling on more sanctions than a student does with their debt.

So, do you guys think that North Korea is going to actually try something that threatens the stability of this world? Do you think all of this is just "fake" because Un is just throwing a temper tantrum because he can't live up to Kim Il-Sung's expectations? Do you think they actually pose a threat to the United States? In a war that they start, would anyone actually side with them? Would we be justified in preemptively striking North Korea? Discuss.

Iran will nuke the Saudis. We will nuke Iran. N Korea will nuke us. Sound nice?
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9/9/2016 4:57:34 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 4:45:10 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 5:53:48 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Over this month (listed offenses are from most recent to April 1st), North Korea has "claimed" to have done the following: launched a submarine-launched ballistic missile for the first time, tried to launch a BM25 Musudan intermediate-range ballistic missile but was unsuccessful, deployed one or two intermediate-range ballistic missiles on its east coast, accused South Korea of kidnapping its citizens, successfully tested the engine for an intercontinental ballistic missile, it is capable of mounting a nuclear warhead on its medium-range Rodong-1 ballistic missile, threatened a genocide against the United States of America, and fired another ballistic missile off its east coast. From what I can recall, this is the most North Korea ever claimed "actions" in this entire year since it first tested what they claim to have been an atomic bomb back in January. China is condemning these acts and they're piling on more sanctions than a student does with their debt.

So, do you guys think that North Korea is going to actually try something that threatens the stability of this world? Do you think all of this is just "fake" because Un is just throwing a temper tantrum because he can't live up to Kim Il-Sung's expectations? Do you think they actually pose a threat to the United States? In a war that they start, would anyone actually side with them? Would we be justified in preemptively striking North Korea? Discuss.

Iran will nuke the Saudis. We will nuke Iran. N Korea will nuke us. Sound nice?

That won't and can't happen. Nk does not have the delivery vehicles and Iran will fall to its populace before they get to that point... Although I could see a Persian/arab conventional war before all is said and done
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9/9/2016 6:51:05 PM
Posted: 2 months ago
At 9/9/2016 4:57:34 PM, Stymie13 wrote:
At 9/9/2016 4:45:10 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 5:53:48 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
Over this month (listed offenses are from most recent to April 1st), North Korea has "claimed" to have done the following: launched a submarine-launched ballistic missile for the first time, tried to launch a BM25 Musudan intermediate-range ballistic missile but was unsuccessful, deployed one or two intermediate-range ballistic missiles on its east coast, accused South Korea of kidnapping its citizens, successfully tested the engine for an intercontinental ballistic missile, it is capable of mounting a nuclear warhead on its medium-range Rodong-1 ballistic missile, threatened a genocide against the United States of America, and fired another ballistic missile off its east coast. From what I can recall, this is the most North Korea ever claimed "actions" in this entire year since it first tested what they claim to have been an atomic bomb back in January. China is condemning these acts and they're piling on more sanctions than a student does with their debt.

So, do you guys think that North Korea is going to actually try something that threatens the stability of this world? Do you think all of this is just "fake" because Un is just throwing a temper tantrum because he can't live up to Kim Il-Sung's expectations? Do you think they actually pose a threat to the United States? In a war that they start, would anyone actually side with them? Would we be justified in preemptively striking North Korea? Discuss.

Iran will nuke the Saudis. We will nuke Iran. N Korea will nuke us. Sound nice?

That won't and can't happen. Nk does not have the delivery vehicles and Iran will fall to its populace before they get to that point... Although I could see a Persian/arab conventional war before all is said and done

Of course they can. Kim Jong manifested the colr green from his bosom, thus nukcleur capabilities is no challenge for him...
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