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4/23/2016 11:22:11 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
US president Barack Obama is currently in the uk to officially celebrate the queens 90th birthday. However this is merely cover for his main agenda, seeking to encourage British citizens to vote to remain in the European union. As someone who wants to leave the eu I find his intervention hypocritical and threatening. I'm a political moderate who has never been a fan of Obama but his conduct In the last few days has been extremely disappointing.

He has threatened to send the uk to the back of the que for negotiations over a trade deal. The USA and the eu have been negotiating for years and are yet to reach a deal.

http://www.theguardian.com...

He won't even be president next year. A USA deal with the UK would be much more straightforward than a deal with the whole eu.

He has also made illogical claims that brexit will hinder the UK in its fight against terrorism (despite an exit allowing us to control our own borders and immigration policy unlike currently).

http://m.independent.ie...

It's unfair for a president of another country to use threats to intimidate British people into voting in the interests of the usa. It's in Britain's interest that we leave the eu. Obama's threats have only strengthened my view that we should leave.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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4/23/2016 11:26:03 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 11:22:11 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
US president Barack Obama is currently in the uk to officially celebrate the queens 90th birthday. However this is merely cover for his main agenda, seeking to encourage British citizens to vote to remain in the European union. As someone who wants to leave the eu I find his intervention hypocritical and threatening. I'm a political moderate who has never been a fan of Obama but his conduct In the last few days has been extremely disappointing.

He has threatened to send the uk to the back of the que for negotiations over a trade deal. The USA and the eu have been negotiating for years and are yet to reach a deal.

http://www.theguardian.com...

He won't even be president next year. A USA deal with the UK would be much more straightforward than a deal with the whole eu.

He has also made illogical claims that brexit will hinder the UK in its fight against terrorism (despite an exit allowing us to control our own borders and immigration policy unlike currently).

http://m.independent.ie...

It's unfair for a president of another country to use threats to intimidate British people into voting in the interests of the usa. It's in Britain's interest that we leave the eu. Obama's threats have only strengthened my view that we should leave.

There's a solution to this: reschedule the Brexit Referendum for next year.
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4/23/2016 11:28:38 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 11:26:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:22:11 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
US president Barack Obama is currently in the uk to officially celebrate the queens 90th birthday. However this is merely cover for his main agenda, seeking to encourage British citizens to vote to remain in the European union. As someone who wants to leave the eu I find his intervention hypocritical and threatening. I'm a political moderate who has never been a fan of Obama but his conduct In the last few days has been extremely disappointing.

He has threatened to send the uk to the back of the que for negotiations over a trade deal. The USA and the eu have been negotiating for years and are yet to reach a deal.

http://www.theguardian.com...

He won't even be president next year. A USA deal with the UK would be much more straightforward than a deal with the whole eu.

He has also made illogical claims that brexit will hinder the UK in its fight against terrorism (despite an exit allowing us to control our own borders and immigration policy unlike currently).

http://m.independent.ie...

It's unfair for a president of another country to use threats to intimidate British people into voting in the interests of the usa. It's in Britain's interest that we leave the eu. Obama's threats have only strengthened my view that we should leave.

There's a solution to this: reschedule the Brexit Referendum for next year.

The referendum has been set for the 23rd June. The exit process takes 2 years so Obama will be long gone.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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4/23/2016 11:37:36 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 11:28:38 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:26:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:22:11 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
US president Barack Obama is currently in the uk to officially celebrate the queens 90th birthday. However this is merely cover for his main agenda, seeking to encourage British citizens to vote to remain in the European union. As someone who wants to leave the eu I find his intervention hypocritical and threatening. I'm a political moderate who has never been a fan of Obama but his conduct In the last few days has been extremely disappointing.

He has threatened to send the uk to the back of the que for negotiations over a trade deal. The USA and the eu have been negotiating for years and are yet to reach a deal.

http://www.theguardian.com...

He won't even be president next year. A USA deal with the UK would be much more straightforward than a deal with the whole eu.

He has also made illogical claims that brexit will hinder the UK in its fight against terrorism (despite an exit allowing us to control our own borders and immigration policy unlike currently).

http://m.independent.ie...

It's unfair for a president of another country to use threats to intimidate British people into voting in the interests of the usa. It's in Britain's interest that we leave the eu. Obama's threats have only strengthened my view that we should leave.

There's a solution to this: reschedule the Brexit Referendum for next year.

The referendum has been set for the 23rd June. The exit process takes 2 years so Obama will be long gone.

Yes, but he from June 23 to January 20 he may punish the UK simply for voting in favour of a Brexit.
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4/23/2016 11:57:44 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 11:45:05 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Lol. It's against US interests (and basic human interests) for the UK to leave the EU.

Why basic human interests?

Would you like your country to be a eu member?

Why should we put up with unelected eu commissioners making our rules?

11 billion pounds annual net membership costs.

The cap policy.

Unrestricted migration of people from eastern Europe for us is like you having an open border with Mexico.

lack of Sovereignty.

Stupid regulations.

Eu courts overrule British court's.

The eurozone is going down. It's an economic disaster. Why not get on the life boat before the failed project sinks?
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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4/24/2016 12:11:20 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 11:57:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:45:05 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Lol. It's against US interests (and basic human interests) for the UK to leave the EU.

Why basic human interests?

Uniting under common governance is the way of the future.

Would you like your country to be a eu member?

Yes

Why should we put up with unelected eu commissioners making our rules?

Increased national sovereignty is a bad thing. Unequivocally.

11 billion pounds annual net membership costs.

The cap policy.

Unrestricted migration of people from eastern Europe for us is like you having an open border with Mexico.

Except...Eastern European immigrants are good for the economy.

lack of Sovereignty.

A wonderful thing. Outweighs several other cons.

Stupid regulations.

Subjective.

Eu courts overrule British court's.

Good.

The eurozone is going down. It's an economic disaster. Why not get on the life boat before the failed project sinks?

The EU is outstanding politics and meh economics. Seems like expelling Greece would be a better option, if it worries you that much.
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4/24/2016 1:16:39 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 11:57:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:45:05 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Lol. It's against US interests (and basic human interests) for the UK to leave the EU.

Why basic human interests?

Would you like your country to be a eu member?
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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4/24/2016 1:24:16 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 1:16:39 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:57:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:45:05 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Lol. It's against US interests (and basic human interests) for the UK to leave the EU.

Why basic human interests?

Would you like your country to be a eu member?





The EU was a good experiment, but there is no control for slacker nations like Greece, a failing in all voluntary socialist schemes. England has every right to refuse to contribute to global charity.
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4/24/2016 1:25:41 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:11:20 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:57:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:45:05 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Lol. It's against US interests (and basic human interests) for the UK to leave the EU.

Why basic human interests?

Uniting under common governance is the way of the future.

Sounds like something out of a Global Emperor's playbook. Hate to be the conquered nations...
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4/24/2016 1:27:42 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:11:20 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:


Why should we put up with unelected eu commissioners making our rules?

Increased national sovereignty is a bad thing. Unequivocally.

Well that's a pretty spectacular self flagellation. Considering the EU itself could be considered one big global nation...
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4/24/2016 1:28:10 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 1:24:16 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:16:39 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:57:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:45:05 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Lol. It's against US interests (and basic human interests) for the UK to leave the EU.

Why basic human interests?

Would you like your country to be a eu member?


The EU was a good experiment, but there is no control for slacker nations like Greece, a failing in all voluntary socialist schemes. England has every right to refuse to contribute to global charity.

I don't think so. I think it was all about geopolitical manipulation, it just wrapped itself in pageantry and transnationalist hauteur. It was good to the winners of the game, but that's about it, and it did do a lot of harm to a lot of countries by tying their hands and retarding their responses to crises like immigration.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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4/24/2016 1:32:41 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 1:28:10 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:24:16 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:16:39 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:57:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:45:05 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Lol. It's against US interests (and basic human interests) for the UK to leave the EU.

Why basic human interests?

Would you like your country to be a eu member?


The EU was a good experiment, but there is no control for slacker nations like Greece, a failing in all voluntary socialist schemes. England has every right to refuse to contribute to global charity.

I don't think so. I think it was all about geopolitical manipulation, it just wrapped itself in pageantry and transnationalist hauteur. It was good to the winners of the game, but that's about it, and it did do a lot of harm to a lot of countries by tying their hands and retarding their responses to crises like immigration.

Yes, there is no control for Nations mandating global open borders when they themselves are located thousands of miles away from the action. NIMBY at its ugliest.
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4/24/2016 7:04:45 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:11:20 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:57:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:45:05 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Lol. It's against US interests (and basic human interests) for the UK to leave the EU.

Why basic human interests?

Uniting under common governance is the way of the future.

In your opinion.

Would you like your country to be a eu member?

Yes

Fair enough.

Why should we put up with unelected eu commissioners making our rules?

Increased national sovereignty is a bad thing. Unequivocally.

That's not true. Unelected beaurocrats in Brussels making decisions over UK laws is not in any way a good thing. We vote in general elections to choose who governs us. Unelected beaurocrats are universally hated in the uk.

11 billion pounds annual net membership costs.

The cap policy.

Unrestricted migration of people from eastern Europe for us is like you having an open border with Mexico.

Except...Eastern European immigrants are good for the economy.

A certain number but not unlimited amounts. They place pressure on the health service, schools, public transport, housing and employment.

lack of Sovereignty.

A wonderful thing. Outweighs several other cons.

Absolutely not.

Stupid regulations.

Subjective.

So is your opinion regulations are good.

Eu courts overrule British court's.

Good.

No it's not good at all.

The eurozone is going down. It's an economic disaster. Why not get on the life boat before the failed project sinks?

The EU is outstanding politics and meh economics. Seems like expelling Greece would be a better option, if it worries you that much.

There is nothing politically outstanding about poorer countries in eastern Europe having a parasitic economic effect on the richer members such as the UK. a grexit would cause economic turmoil due to the guaranteed bankruptcy Greece would suffer. This is inevitable though. Greece will default in its debt eventually. Spain, Portugal and Italy are all crippled with debt and have stagnant economies. The eastern European countries have small economies. Even France is not doing that well. Germany is crippled by 1 million Syrian migrants.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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4/24/2016 7:10:23 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 11:37:36 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:28:38 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:26:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:22:11 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
US president Barack Obama is currently in the uk to officially celebrate the queens 90th birthday. However this is merely cover for his main agenda, seeking to encourage British citizens to vote to remain in the European union. As someone who wants to leave the eu I find his intervention hypocritical and threatening. I'm a political moderate who has never been a fan of Obama but his conduct In the last few days has been extremely disappointing.

He has threatened to send the uk to the back of the que for negotiations over a trade deal. The USA and the eu have been negotiating for years and are yet to reach a deal.

http://www.theguardian.com...

He won't even be president next year. A USA deal with the UK would be much more straightforward than a deal with the whole eu.

He has also made illogical claims that brexit will hinder the UK in its fight against terrorism (despite an exit allowing us to control our own borders and immigration policy unlike currently).

http://m.independent.ie...

It's unfair for a president of another country to use threats to intimidate British people into voting in the interests of the usa. It's in Britain's interest that we leave the eu. Obama's threats have only strengthened my view that we should leave.

There's a solution to this: reschedule the Brexit Referendum for next year.

The referendum has been set for the 23rd June. The exit process takes 2 years so Obama will be long gone.

Yes, but he from June 23 to January 20 he may punish the UK simply for voting in favour of a Brexit.

Agree. He would be stupid to do so though. It's not in his interests for British citizens to hate him or America. I predict that after brexit (if it happens ) we will discover his threats were as empty as the threat to respond to the Assad government militarily if it used chemical weapons on its own citizens. He is just bluffing.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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4/24/2016 11:30:22 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 1:25:41 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:11:20 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:57:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:45:05 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Lol. It's against US interests (and basic human interests) for the UK to leave the EU.

Why basic human interests?

Uniting under common governance is the way of the future.

Sounds like something out of a Global Emperor's playbook. Hate to be the conquered nations...

A one-word government is the ideal destination for the future of humankind. I'd prefer it to be a republic, but I'll accept it as an empire if necessary.
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4/24/2016 11:36:06 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 7:04:45 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:11:20 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:57:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:45:05 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Lol. It's against US interests (and basic human interests) for the UK to leave the EU.

Why basic human interests?

Uniting under common governance is the way of the future.

In your opinion.

It's pretty obvious when you look at history.

Would you like your country to be a eu member?

Yes

Fair enough.

Why should we put up with unelected eu commissioners making our rules?

Increased national sovereignty is a bad thing. Unequivocally.

That's not true. Unelected beaurocrats in Brussels making decisions over UK laws is not in any way a good thing. We vote in general elections to choose who governs us. Unelected beaurocrats are universally hated in the uk.

Just because everyone in the UK hates it - which they don't, since your country is very likely to stay in the EU - doesn't make it wrong. Don't worry though. I'm sure everyone in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland hate you English bureaucrats choosing how to govern them.

11 billion pounds annual net membership costs.

The cap policy.

Unrestricted migration of people from eastern Europe for us is like you having an open border with Mexico.

Except...Eastern European immigrants are good for the economy.

A certain number but not unlimited amounts. They place pressure on the health service, schools, public transport, housing and employment.

The EU's response to immigration has been bafflingly stupid. Doesn't mean the entire thing is unsalvageable.

lack of Sovereignty.

A wonderful thing. Outweighs several other cons.

Absolutely not.

Absolutely so. The British Empire is dead. And that's a good thing. Deal with it.

Stupid regulations.

Subjective.

So is your opinion regulations are good.

In most cases, yes. The government needs to protect the people from unfair market practices.

Eu courts overrule British court's.

Good.

No it's not good at all.

Yes, it is. National sovereignty is bad, remember?

The eurozone is going down. It's an economic disaster. Why not get on the life boat before the failed project sinks?

The EU is outstanding politics and meh economics. Seems like expelling Greece would be a better option, if it worries you that much.

There is nothing politically outstanding about poorer countries in eastern Europe having a parasitic economic effect on the richer members such as the UK.p

Wow, what a biased and inaccurate way to look at everything.

a grexit would cause economic turmoil due to the guaranteed bankruptcy Greece would suffer.

In Greece. Not in the rest of the EU. A "grexit" would save the EU.

This is inevitable though. Greece will default in its debt eventually. Spain, Portugal and Italy are all crippled with debt and have stagnant economies. The eastern European countries have small economies. Even France is not doing that well. Germany is crippled by 1 million Syrian migrants.

Spain and Portugal are far from "crippled" with debt. Italy and Greece are by far the worst off, for reasons completely unrelated to the EU as an institution.
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4/24/2016 12:45:49 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 11:30:22 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:25:41 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:11:20 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:57:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:45:05 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Lol. It's against US interests (and basic human interests) for the UK to leave the EU.

Why basic human interests?

Uniting under common governance is the way of the future.

Sounds like something out of a Global Emperor's playbook. Hate to be the conquered nations...

A one-word government is the ideal destination for the future of humankind. I'd prefer it to be a republic, but I'll accept it as an empire if necessary.

Well hopefully the next emperor learns from Rome and institutes forced eugenics to eliminate class warfare, and rapid elimination of squabbling cultures through forced integration and assimilation. Maybe something of this nature for starters..http://en.wikipedia.org...

Otherwise, the barbarians will eventually storm the gates again.
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4/24/2016 12:47:50 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 11:36:06 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:


a grexit would cause economic turmoil due to the guaranteed bankruptcy Greece would suffer.

In Greece. Not in the rest of the EU. A "Grexit" would save the EU.

Pretty sure it will have to be a Gremoval.
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4/24/2016 5:54:24 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 12:47:50 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 4/24/2016 11:36:06 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:


a grexit would cause economic turmoil due to the guaranteed bankruptcy Greece would suffer.

In Greece. Not in the rest of the EU. A "Grexit" would save the EU.

Pretty sure it will have to be a Gremoval.

True.
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4/24/2016 6:23:50 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 11:36:06 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/24/2016 7:04:45 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 12:11:20 AM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:57:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/23/2016 11:45:05 PM, EndarkenedRationalist wrote:
Lol. It's against US interests (and basic human interests) for the UK to leave the EU.

Why basic human interests?

Uniting under common governance is the way of the future.

In your opinion.

It's pretty obvious when you look at history.

Would you like your country to be a eu member?

Yes

Fair enough.

Why should we put up with unelected eu commissioners making our rules?

Increased national sovereignty is a bad thing. Unequivocally.

That's not true. Unelected beaurocrats in Brussels making decisions over UK laws is not in any way a good thing. We vote in general elections to choose who governs us. Unelected beaurocrats are universally hated in the uk.

Just because everyone in the UK hates it - which they don't, since your country is very likely to stay in the EU - doesn't make it wrong. Don't worry though. I'm sure everyone in Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland hate you English bureaucrats choosing how to govern them.

11 billion pounds annual net membership costs.

The cap policy.

Unrestricted migration of people from eastern Europe for us is like you having an open border with Mexico.

Except...Eastern European immigrants are good for the economy.

A certain number but not unlimited amounts. They place pressure on the health service, schools, public transport, housing and employment.

The EU's response to immigration has been bafflingly stupid. Doesn't mean the entire thing is unsalvageable.

lack of Sovereignty.

A wonderful thing. Outweighs several other cons.

Absolutely not.

Absolutely so. The British Empire is dead. And that's a good thing. Deal with it.

Stupid regulations.

Subjective.

So is your opinion regulations are good.

In most cases, yes. The government needs to protect the people from unfair market practices.

Eu courts overrule British court's.

Good.

No it's not good at all.

Yes, it is. National sovereignty is bad, remember?

The eurozone is going down. It's an economic disaster. Why not get on the life boat before the failed project sinks?

The EU is outstanding politics and meh economics. Seems like expelling Greece would be a better option, if it worries you that much.

There is nothing politically outstanding about poorer countries in eastern Europe having a parasitic economic effect on the richer members such as the UK.p

Wow, what a biased and inaccurate way to look at everything.

a grexit would cause economic turmoil due to the guaranteed bankruptcy Greece would suffer.

In Greece. Not in the rest of the EU. A "grexit" would save the EU.

This is inevitable though. Greece will default in its debt eventually. Spain, Portugal and Italy are all crippled with debt and have stagnant economies. The eastern European countries have small economies. Even France is not doing that well. Germany is crippled by 1 million Syrian migrants.

Spain and Portugal are far from "crippled" with debt. Italy and Greece are by far the worst off, for reasons completely unrelated to the EU as an institution.

99% of UK politicians are unelected. Two thirds of parliament are a bunch of unelected Lords.