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1harderthanyouthink
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4/24/2016 10:23:19 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."

-Karl Marx
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4/24/2016 10:34:12 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
They also let you vote for what color whip you want to be used on you.
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4/24/2016 11:08:13 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 10:23:19 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."

-Karl Marx

Really? You're quoting one of the worst men in history?
EvanescentEfflorescence
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4/24/2016 11:10:39 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 10:23:19 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."

-Karl Marx

It's a good quote and I think it accurately fits. However, this does lead us to the questions:

1) What is the alternative?

2) How do we get there?

It's awfully easy to be critical; it's far harder make something better happen.
Free vote -- short read. I've spent well over 15 hours researching abortion in the past week, so there might be something there for you. I recommend reading Con's counter-arguments first to come to a quick decisions, but the choice is all yours:

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1harderthanyouthink
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4/24/2016 11:24:51 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 11:08:13 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 10:23:19 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."

-Karl Marx

Really? You're quoting one of the worst men in history?

I'd like to see you make a thread on what you think his theory was. I've seen YYW and Skeps tear libertarians apart on Marx misconceptions - I'd like to see it again.
"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here,
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

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triangle.128k
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4/24/2016 11:40:25 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 11:24:51 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 4/24/2016 11:08:13 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 10:23:19 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."

-Karl Marx

Really? You're quoting one of the worst men in history?

I'd like to see you make a thread on what you think his theory was. I've seen YYW and Skeps tear libertarians apart on Marx misconceptions - I'd like to see it again.

Noted.

Liberals supporting the man responsible for communism though, that does tell a lot about you people though. How can you support a person who's ideology has led to violence, suffering, poverty, oppression of freedom, etc. ?
Torton
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4/24/2016 11:46:55 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 11:40:25 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 11:24:51 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 4/24/2016 11:08:13 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 10:23:19 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."

-Karl Marx

Really? You're quoting one of the worst men in history?

I'd like to see you make a thread on what you think his theory was. I've seen YYW and Skeps tear libertarians apart on Marx misconceptions - I'd like to see it again.

Noted.

Liberals supporting the man responsible for communism though, that does tell a lot about you people though. How can you support a person who's ideology has led to violence, suffering, poverty, oppression of freedom, etc. ?
Saying Marx is one of the worst people in history, however, is one of the biggest examples of unwarranted hyperbole and exaggeration I've ever seen.
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4/24/2016 11:54:20 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 11:46:55 PM, Torton wrote:
At 4/24/2016 11:40:25 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 11:24:51 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 4/24/2016 11:08:13 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 10:23:19 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."

-Karl Marx

Really? You're quoting one of the worst men in history?

I'd like to see you make a thread on what you think his theory was. I've seen YYW and Skeps tear libertarians apart on Marx misconceptions - I'd like to see it again.

Noted.

Liberals supporting the man responsible for communism though, that does tell a lot about you people though. How can you support a person who's ideology has led to violence, suffering, poverty, oppression of freedom, etc. ?
Saying Marx is one of the worst people in history, however, is one of the biggest examples of unwarranted hyperbole and exaggeration I've ever seen.

Tying Marx to the Soviet Union holds about as much weight as tying Nietzsche to the Third Reich.
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4/25/2016 12:24:51 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 11:24:51 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 4/24/2016 11:08:13 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 10:23:19 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."

-Karl Marx

Really? You're quoting one of the worst men in history?

I'd like to see you make a thread on what you think his theory was. I've seen YYW and Skeps tear libertarians apart on Marx misconceptions - I'd like to see it again.
1harderthanyouthink
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4/25/2016 12:28:04 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 12:24:51 AM, Greyparrot wrote:
At 4/24/2016 11:24:51 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
At 4/24/2016 11:08:13 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 10:23:19 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."

-Karl Marx

Really? You're quoting one of the worst men in history?

I'd like to see you make a thread on what you think his theory was. I've seen YYW and Skeps tear libertarians apart on Marx misconceptions - I'd like to see it again.



Lol
"It's awfully considerate of you to think of me here,
And I'm much obliged to you for making it clear - that I'm not here."

-Syd Barrett

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Chang29
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4/25/2016 2:02:11 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 11:08:13 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 4/24/2016 10:23:19 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."

-Karl Marx

Really? You're quoting one of the worst men in history?

Marxist can identify a problem, but their solution is far worse.
A free market anti-capitalist

If it can be de-centralized, it will be de-centralized.
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4/25/2016 2:28:46 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 10:23:19 PM, 1harderthanyouthink wrote:
"The oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress them."

-Karl Marx : :

A King and his men have always been the best slave masters even though a few slaves might get irritated once in awhile. But the slave master who controls everything will free us all soon.