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4/28/2016 10:29:20 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Obama really has set the standard for what a president ought to be. He's changed everything. His foreign policy is the most sophisticated, sustainably strong that any American president has ever put forward. His domestic policy has returned our country to a period of economic strength that it has not seen since the 1980s. His stances on social issues are consistent with his values, and the kinds of values that Americans ought to embody. What he leaves behind is an America that is stronger, and a world that is more stable and more secure than it has been under Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy or Johnson. Not since Truman has the international order been as stable as it is now; and, arguably, it has been since the end of the Second World War that we were this safe. Realistically, I would vote for his third term if that were constitutionally possible.

What I fear is what the world looks like, in the future. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton will drag us back into war, and perpetual conflict in the Middle East, because her level of hawkishness parallels noted idiot Lindsey Graham's. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton's domestic economic policy will translate into precisely the kinds of international trade agreements and domestic trade policies, as well as--lack of--regulations that gave rise to the economic problems of 2007 and 2008, a year that will remain in infamy for generations.
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4/28/2016 11:18:32 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/28/2016 10:29:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Obama really has set the standard for what a president ought to be. He's changed everything. His foreign policy is the most sophisticated, sustainably strong that any American president has ever put forward. His domestic policy has returned our country to a period of economic strength that it has not seen since the 1980s. His stances on social issues are consistent with his values, and the kinds of values that Americans ought to embody. What he leaves behind is an America that is stronger, and a world that is more stable and more secure than it has been under Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy or Johnson. Not since Truman has the international order been as stable as it is now; and, arguably, it has been since the end of the Second World War that we were this safe. Realistically, I would vote for his third term if that were constitutionally possible.

What I fear is what the world looks like, in the future. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton will drag us back into war, and perpetual conflict in the Middle East, because her level of hawkishness parallels noted idiot Lindsey Graham's. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton's domestic economic policy will translate into precisely the kinds of international trade agreements and domestic trade policies, as well as--lack of--regulations that gave rise to the economic problems of 2007 and 2008, a year that will remain in infamy for generations.

Claim 1: "His foreign policy is the most sophisticated, sustainably strong that any American president has ever put forward."
Response: Explain.

Claim 2: "His domestic policy has returned our country to a period of time economic strength not seen since the 1980s"
Response: Since Obama has taken office, the year with the highest GDP growth was 2010, in which the economy grew 2.5%. In the year 2006 that number was 2.7%. From 1997 to 2000 annual GDP growth was in the 4 percent range. Granted, in the aftermath of 2008 the economy would need several years to get back to where it was, but still. The official unemployment rate today is lower than it has been, so I will give Mr. Obama this.

Claim 3: "What he leaves behind is a...world that is more stable and more secure than it has been under Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy or Johnson."
Response: The world has been getting more peaceful over the years, though this is more of a long term trend than something which can be pegged on the foreign policy decisions of a single president. Not having to deal with the Soviet Union anymore has certainly helped. I would also argue that removing Saddam Hussein, while making Iraq unstable, has over the long term made the rest of the world more stable and the world after 13 years is finally reaping the benefits of the 2003 invasion.
However, I would argue that we are now entering a period where the United States is being surpassed as the world's strongest country by the People's Republic of China. As this progresses, China will naturally be more and more inclined to force regime changes around the world to gain allies and strengthen its own hand. The U.S. will still be around, so it will inevitably try to resist this process, shaking up the world significantly (this does, of course, favour a "Cold War" model over a "World War" model). That is, since 1992 we've been in a state of lull but that's going to come to an end in a few years. This doesn't mean that the world won't still be more peaceful than it was, but it will be more violent than it is now. This isn't any president's fault; it's a natural process, though cutting our military budget certainly doesn't help us keep up with China.
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4/29/2016 1:42:24 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/28/2016 10:29:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Obama really has set the standard for what a president ought to be. He's changed everything. His foreign policy is the most sophisticated, sustainably strong that any American president has ever put forward.

Uhh completely disagree with this. Maybe it has held a decent level of sophistication, but it is not sustainable and it is not strong. His foreign policy has completely negated any gains we made during the Iraq War, and has left the middle east in a much worse and unstable situation than the one that he inherited. In Iraq, leaving the country prematurely created an unstable environment that allowed ISIS to rise up and gain power and influence. It also didn't help that he essentially ignored them as a threat until a year or two ago, far too late. He failed in Syria, giving all the wrong people the right weapons including radical muslim groups, instead of arming the Kurds. He failed in Libya, toppling Qaddafi (despite the fact that Qaddafi openly warned the west that radical Islam was on the rise and would only worsen if he lost his country http://www.telegraph.co.uk...) also created an extremely unstable environment and now ISIS controls a third of the country and it is a completely failed state. Robert Gates, his own Defense Secretary in his first term claimed in his memoir that Obama in 2010 "doesn"t believe in his own strategy, and doesn"t consider the war to be his. For him, it"s all about getting out," this observation made after Obama ordered 30k troops to Afghanistan. Gates also claimed that Obama was "skeptical if not outright convinced it would fail." That doesn't sound like a strong nor sustainable foreign policy strategy to me.

His domestic policy has returned our country to a period of economic strength that it has not seen since the 1980s.
Again completely disagree. Obama is going to be the first modern president to have not overseen a single year of 3% economic growth. The Obama economy pales in comparison to the economy during the 80s. If everything were going great with this economy, Donald Trump would not be winning the republican nomination and Bernie Sanders would not have given Clinton a run for her money. The Obama economic strategy has been QE and stimulus to cover up the struggling sectors of the economy. Quantitative Easing is like a drugs effect on an addict. Once the high wears off, you're in a worse condition than before. Right now we're in a pretty precarious and far more risky situation than in 2007-8.

His stances on social issues are consistent with his values, and the kinds of values that Americans ought to embody. What he leaves behind is an America that is stronger, and a world that is more stable and more secure than it has been under Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy or Johnson. Not since Truman has the international order been as stable as it is now; and, arguably, it has been since the end of the Second World War that we were this safe. Realistically, I would vote for his third term if that were constitutionally possible.

Lol, he also isn't having to deal with the Cold War... Every single president you mentioned up there dealt with the Cold War. I would even argue that we were safer under Bush 41 than we are now. There were no tensions with Russia, there were no giant terrorist organizations like the ones today, there were no tensions with China, all of which are present in the world now during Obama's presidency.

What I fear is what the world looks like, in the future. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton will drag us back into war, and perpetual conflict in the Middle East, because her level of hawkishness parallels noted idiot Lindsey Graham's. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton's domestic economic policy will translate into precisely the kinds of international trade agreements and domestic trade policies, as well as--lack of--regulations that gave rise to the economic problems of 2007 and 2008, a year that will remain in infamy for generations.

Let me get this straight.... you are praising Obama, but you resent someone who was very actively involved in formulating and implementing his foreign policy, and whose very candidacy is being marketed as Obama's 3rd term? Obama supports all the international trade agreements that you don't like Clinton for supporting as well... particularly the TPP which I assume is what you are referring to.
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4/29/2016 1:53:08 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/29/2016 1:42:24 AM, walker_harris3 wrote:
At 4/28/2016 10:29:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Obama really has set the standard for what a president ought to be. He's changed everything. His foreign policy is the most sophisticated, sustainably strong that any American president has ever put forward.

Uhh completely disagree with this. Maybe it has held a decent level of sophistication, but it is not sustainable and it is not strong. His foreign policy has completely negated any gains we made during the Iraq War, and has left the middle east in a much worse and unstable situation than the one that he inherited. In Iraq, leaving the country prematurely created an unstable environment that allowed ISIS to rise up and gain power and influence. It also didn't help that he essentially ignored them as a threat until a year or two ago, far too late. He failed in Syria, giving all the wrong people the right weapons including radical muslim groups, instead of arming the Kurds. He failed in Libya, toppling Qaddafi (despite the fact that Qaddafi openly warned the west that radical Islam was on the rise and would only worsen if he lost his country http://www.telegraph.co.uk...) also created an extremely unstable environment and now ISIS controls a third of the country and it is a completely failed state. Robert Gates, his own Defense Secretary in his first term claimed in his memoir that Obama in 2010 "doesn"t believe in his own strategy, and doesn"t consider the war to be his. For him, it"s all about getting out," this observation made after Obama ordered 30k troops to Afghanistan. Gates also claimed that Obama was "skeptical if not outright convinced it would fail." That doesn't sound like a strong nor sustainable foreign policy strategy to me.

Amazing how you cannot single out huge successes in Africa and South America... FYI.

His domestic policy has returned our country to a period of economic strength that it has not seen since the 1980s.
Again completely disagree. Obama is going to be the first modern president to have not overseen a single year of 3% economic growth. The Obama economy pales in comparison to the economy during the 80s. If everything were going great with this economy, Donald Trump would not be winning the republican nomination and Bernie Sanders would not have given Clinton a run for her money. The Obama economic strategy has been QE and stimulus to cover up the struggling sectors of the economy. Quantitative Easing is like a drugs effect on an addict. Once the high wears off, you're in a worse condition than before. Right now we're in a pretty precarious and far more risky situation than in 2007-8.

Incorrect. I bet you think that we should have implemented austerity.

His stances on social issues are consistent with his values, and the kinds of values that Americans ought to embody. What he leaves behind is an America that is stronger, and a world that is more stable and more secure than it has been under Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy or Johnson. Not since Truman has the international order been as stable as it is now; and, arguably, it has been since the end of the Second World War that we were this safe. Realistically, I would vote for his third term if that were constitutionally possible.

Lol, he also isn't having to deal with the Cold War... Every single president you mentioned up there dealt with the Cold War. I would even argue that we were safer under Bush 41 than we are now. There were no tensions with Russia, there were no giant terrorist organizations like the ones today, there were no tensions with China, all of which are present in the world now during Obama's presidency.

Completely blown out of proportion.
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4/29/2016 2:07:59 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/29/2016 1:53:08 AM, FortisAnimi wrote:
At 4/29/2016 1:42:24 AM, walker_harris3 wrote:
At 4/28/2016 10:29:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Obama really has set the standard for what a president ought to be. He's changed everything. His foreign policy is the most sophisticated, sustainably strong that any American president has ever put forward.

Uhh completely disagree with this. Maybe it has held a decent level of sophistication, but it is not sustainable and it is not strong. His foreign policy has completely negated any gains we made during the Iraq War, and has left the middle east in a much worse and unstable situation than the one that he inherited. In Iraq, leaving the country prematurely created an unstable environment that allowed ISIS to rise up and gain power and influence. It also didn't help that he essentially ignored them as a threat until a year or two ago, far too late. He failed in Syria, giving all the wrong people the right weapons including radical muslim groups, instead of arming the Kurds. He failed in Libya, toppling Qaddafi (despite the fact that Qaddafi openly warned the west that radical Islam was on the rise and would only worsen if he lost his country http://www.telegraph.co.uk...) also created an extremely unstable environment and now ISIS controls a third of the country and it is a completely failed state. Robert Gates, his own Defense Secretary in his first term claimed in his memoir that Obama in 2010 "doesn"t believe in his own strategy, and doesn"t consider the war to be his. For him, it"s all about getting out," this observation made after Obama ordered 30k troops to Afghanistan. Gates also claimed that Obama was "skeptical if not outright convinced it would fail." That doesn't sound like a strong nor sustainable foreign policy strategy to me.

Amazing how you cannot single out huge successes in Africa and South America... FYI.
Lol, just googled "Obama's success in Africa" and here's the first result: http://www.usnews.com... Africa seems to be struggling right now. Their biggest economies are becoming stagnant and are losing steam, and Boko Haram is running rampant. But please enlighten me on these massive successes you speak of
His domestic policy has returned our country to a period of economic strength that it has not seen since the 1980s.
Again completely disagree. Obama is going to be the first modern president to have not overseen a single year of 3% economic growth. The Obama economy pales in comparison to the economy during the 80s. If everything were going great with this economy, Donald Trump would not be winning the republican nomination and Bernie Sanders would not have given Clinton a run for her money. The Obama economic strategy has been QE and stimulus to cover up the struggling sectors of the economy. Quantitative Easing is like a drugs effect on an addict. Once the high wears off, you're in a worse condition than before. Right now we're in a pretty precarious and far more risky situation than in 2007-8.

Incorrect. I bet you think that we should have implemented austerity.
Exactly what is incorrect? I didn't even bring up the deficit either (although that's certainly another reason to dislike Obama's economic policy). Austerity measures have nothing to do with Obama's stimulus and QE policy, so I'm not sure how you could deviate that I would have supported it especially since austerity measures don't do anything to combat a recession...
His stances on social issues are consistent with his values, and the kinds of values that Americans ought to embody. What he leaves behind is an America that is stronger, and a world that is more stable and more secure than it has been under Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy or Johnson. Not since Truman has the international order been as stable as it is now; and, arguably, it has been since the end of the Second World War that we were this safe. Realistically, I would vote for his third term if that were constitutionally possible.

Lol, he also isn't having to deal with the Cold War... Every single president you mentioned up there dealt with the Cold War. I would even argue that we were safer under Bush 41 than we are now. There were no tensions with Russia, there were no giant terrorist organizations like the ones today, there were no tensions with China, all of which are present in the world now during Obama's presidency.

Completely blown out of proportion.
How so? Are you denying the existence of the problems we face in the world today? There definitely was no tension with Russia or China under 41 relative to Obama's 2 terms.
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1/6/2017 8:20:51 AM
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At 4/28/2016 11:25:51 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:


That's a little extreme...
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1/6/2017 12:08:13 PM
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At 4/28/2016 10:29:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Obama really has set the standard for what a president ought to be. He's changed everything. His foreign policy is the most sophisticated, sustainably strong that any American president has ever put forward. His domestic policy has returned our country to a period of economic strength that it has not seen since the 1980s. His stances on social issues are consistent with his values, and the kinds of values that Americans ought to embody. What he leaves behind is an America that is stronger, and a world that is more stable and more secure than it has been under Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy or Johnson. Not since Truman has the international order been as stable as it is now; and, arguably, it has been since the end of the Second World War that we were this safe. Realistically, I would vote for his third term if that were constitutionally possible.

What I fear is what the world looks like, in the future. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton will drag us back into war, and perpetual conflict in the Middle East, because her level of hawkishness parallels noted idiot Lindsey Graham's. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton's domestic economic policy will translate into precisely the kinds of international trade agreements and domestic trade policies, as well as--lack of--regulations that gave rise to the economic problems of 2007 and 2008, a year that will remain in infamy for generations.

Obamas foreign policy is good? Yes because ignoring ISIS, not protection europe from Russian invasion, giving Iran a surplus of money which they will use to fund terrorism and possibly nuclear weapons, and spying on Europe is great!

Bu Bu Obama's economy bruh!!!11!! Lowest GDP recovery growth since Herbert Hoover, labor paricpation falling, food stamp and welfare usage increasing, net loss of jobs and higher taxes is SO GREAT!11!!1!!

Obama's social issues are great man!11!!!1 Because people who dont know where to go to the bathroom and the government forcing me to bake gays cakes is so American and freedom loving right!?!?
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1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM
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At 1/6/2017 12:08:13 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 4/28/2016 10:29:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Obama really has set the standard for what a president ought to be. He's changed everything. His foreign policy is the most sophisticated, sustainably strong that any American president has ever put forward. His domestic policy has returned our country to a period of economic strength that it has not seen since the 1980s. His stances on social issues are consistent with his values, and the kinds of values that Americans ought to embody. What he leaves behind is an America that is stronger, and a world that is more stable and more secure than it has been under Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy or Johnson. Not since Truman has the international order been as stable as it is now; and, arguably, it has been since the end of the Second World War that we were this safe. Realistically, I would vote for his third term if that were constitutionally possible.

What I fear is what the world looks like, in the future. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton will drag us back into war, and perpetual conflict in the Middle East, because her level of hawkishness parallels noted idiot Lindsey Graham's. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton's domestic economic policy will translate into precisely the kinds of international trade agreements and domestic trade policies, as well as--lack of--regulations that gave rise to the economic problems of 2007 and 2008, a year that will remain in infamy for generations.

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home. Clearly, you were not spanked enough as a child.

Obamas foreign policy is good? Yes because ignoring ISIS,

That is false. Obama has been "bombing the sh!t" out of ISIS. See generally any drone strike in Iraq ever.

not protection europe from Russian invasion,

That is also false. Obama has imposed spectacular sanctions of a truly unprecedented character to punish Putin and Russia for Putin's imperial aggression.

giving Iran a surplus of money which they will use to fund terrorism and possibly nuclear weapons,

Iran was not "given a surplus of money," for terrorism, nuclear war, or any other purpose. Funds which were previously frozen were restored in exchange for an agreement to NOT pursue nuclear weapons, and that averted a nuclear arms race in the middle east.

and spying on Europe is great!

The United States has always, and should always, spy on our allies.

What was it that Reagan said? Oh, yes.... trust but verify.
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1/6/2017 2:59:26 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/6/2017 12:08:13 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 4/28/2016 10:29:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Obama really has set the standard for what a president ought to be. He's changed everything. His foreign policy is the most sophisticated, sustainably strong that any American president has ever put forward. His domestic policy has returned our country to a period of economic strength that it has not seen since the 1980s. His stances on social issues are consistent with his values, and the kinds of values that Americans ought to embody. What he leaves behind is an America that is stronger, and a world that is more stable and more secure than it has been under Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy or Johnson. Not since Truman has the international order been as stable as it is now; and, arguably, it has been since the end of the Second World War that we were this safe. Realistically, I would vote for his third term if that were constitutionally possible.

What I fear is what the world looks like, in the future. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton will drag us back into war, and perpetual conflict in the Middle East, because her level of hawkishness parallels noted idiot Lindsey Graham's. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton's domestic economic policy will translate into precisely the kinds of international trade agreements and domestic trade policies, as well as--lack of--regulations that gave rise to the economic problems of 2007 and 2008, a year that will remain in infamy for generations.

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home. Clearly, you were not spanked enough as a child.

Obamas foreign policy is good? Yes because ignoring ISIS,

That is false. Obama has been "bombing the sh!t" out of ISIS. See generally any drone strike in Iraq ever.

not protection europe from Russian invasion,

That is also false. Obama has imposed spectacular sanctions of a truly unprecedented character to punish Putin and Russia for Putin's imperial aggression.

giving Iran a surplus of money which they will use to fund terrorism and possibly nuclear weapons,

Iran was not "given a surplus of money," for terrorism, nuclear war, or any other purpose. Funds which were previously frozen were restored in exchange for an agreement to NOT pursue nuclear weapons, and that averted a nuclear arms race in the middle east.

and spying on Europe is great!

The United States has always, and should always, spy on our allies.

What was it that Reagan said? Oh, yes.... trust but verify.

Careful now you almost sound like a republican.
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1/6/2017 3:14:16 PM
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At 1/6/2017 12:08:13 PM, Reformist wrote:
Obamas [sic] foreign policy is good?

Yes, and you should really stop embarrassing yourself.

ignoring ISIS

Really? Have you read the news lately, or, like, ever?

not protection europe from Russian invasion

I would echo the previous question, and ask you to Google, generally, "economic sanctions against Russia."

giving Iran a surplus of money which they will use to fund terrorism and possibly nuclear weapons

He didn't "give Iran a surplus of money." He ended sanctions on Iran in exchange for them effectively ending their nuclear program. Also, getting Iran to trust the United States is the best way to get them to do what the U.S. wants.

and spying on Europe is great!

Describe, in detail, how problematic this is.

Bu Bu Obama's economy bruh!!!11!! Lowest GDP recovery growth since Herbert Hoover, labor paricpation falling, food stamp and welfare usage increasing, net loss of jobs and higher taxes is SO GREAT!11!!1!!

Obama led the recovery from a crippling economic recession swiftly, ensured substantially greater employment, maintained a low inflation rate, and has overseen a two-thirds cut in the federal deficit. In addition, he has ensured health insurance coverage for 30 million Americans, saving tens of thousands of lives.

Obama's social issues are great man!11!!!1 Because people who dont know where to go to the bathroom and the government forcing me to bake gays cakes is so American and freedom loving right!?!?

Once more, you're embarrassing yourself... LGBT rights are a good thing, not less because injustice is bad.

Then again, I'm sure that's not what fascism says about injustice.
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1/6/2017 7:04:36 PM
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At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/6/2017 12:08:13 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 4/28/2016 10:29:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Obama really has set the standard for what a president ought to be. He's changed everything. His foreign policy is the most sophisticated, sustainably strong that any American president has ever put forward. His domestic policy has returned our country to a period of economic strength that it has not seen since the 1980s. His stances on social issues are consistent with his values, and the kinds of values that Americans ought to embody. What he leaves behind is an America that is stronger, and a world that is more stable and more secure than it has been under Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy or Johnson. Not since Truman has the international order been as stable as it is now; and, arguably, it has been since the end of the Second World War that we were this safe. Realistically, I would vote for his third term if that were constitutionally possible.

What I fear is what the world looks like, in the future. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton will drag us back into war, and perpetual conflict in the Middle East, because her level of hawkishness parallels noted idiot Lindsey Graham's. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton's domestic economic policy will translate into precisely the kinds of international trade agreements and domestic trade policies, as well as--lack of--regulations that gave rise to the economic problems of 2007 and 2008, a year that will remain in infamy for generations.

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home. Clearly, you were not spanked enough as a child.

These appear to be your comments. It's like your spanking yourself. So not gay.

Obamas foreign policy is good? Yes because ignoring ISIS,

That is false. Obama has been "bombing the sh!t" out of ISIS. See generally any drone strike in Iraq ever.

He is definitely earning the crap out of his Nobel Peace prize.

not protection europe from Russian invasion,

That is also false. Obama has imposed spectacular sanctions of a truly unprecedented character to punish Putin and Russia for Putin's imperial aggression.

Let's hope they don't try to retaliate while we muscle our influence around the world by occupying the world, by bombing them into democracy so they can die free.

giving Iran a surplus of money which they will use to fund terrorism and possibly nuclear weapons,

Iran was not "given a surplus of money," for terrorism, nuclear war, or any other purpose. Funds which were previously frozen were restored in exchange for an agreement to NOT pursue nuclear weapons, and that averted a nuclear arms race in the middle east.

and spying on Europe is great!

The United States has always, and should always, spy on our allies.

Let's hope they don't try to spy on us. But if they do let's sanction them.

What was it that Reagan said? Oh, yes.... trust but verify.
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1/6/2017 10:15:26 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/6/2017 12:08:13 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 4/28/2016 10:29:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Obama really has set the standard for what a president ought to be. He's changed everything. His foreign policy is the most sophisticated, sustainably strong that any American president has ever put forward. His domestic policy has returned our country to a period of economic strength that it has not seen since the 1980s. His stances on social issues are consistent with his values, and the kinds of values that Americans ought to embody. What he leaves behind is an America that is stronger, and a world that is more stable and more secure than it has been under Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy or Johnson. Not since Truman has the international order been as stable as it is now; and, arguably, it has been since the end of the Second World War that we were this safe. Realistically, I would vote for his third term if that were constitutionally possible.

What I fear is what the world looks like, in the future. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton will drag us back into war, and perpetual conflict in the Middle East, because her level of hawkishness parallels noted idiot Lindsey Graham's. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton's domestic economic policy will translate into precisely the kinds of international trade agreements and domestic trade policies, as well as--lack of--regulations that gave rise to the economic problems of 2007 and 2008, a year that will remain in infamy for generations.

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home. Clearly, you were not spanked enough as a child.

Obamas foreign policy is good? Yes because ignoring ISIS,

That is false. Obama has been "bombing the sh!t" out of ISIS. See generally any drone strike in Iraq ever.

not protection europe from Russian invasion,

That is also false. Obama has imposed spectacular sanctions of a truly unprecedented character to punish Putin and Russia for Putin's imperial aggression.

giving Iran a surplus of money which they will use to fund terrorism and possibly nuclear weapons,

Iran was not "given a surplus of money," for terrorism, nuclear war, or any other purpose. Funds which were previously frozen were restored in exchange for an agreement to NOT pursue nuclear weapons, and that averted a nuclear arms race in the middle east.

and spying on Europe is great!

The United States has always, and should always, spy on our allies.

What was it that Reagan said? Oh, yes.... trust but verify.

So lets process what you said

Obama has been bombing the sh!t out of civilians. 90 percent of Obama's drone strike victims were innocent

Sanctions dont do anything against a nation and provokes them further

White house press admitted money laundered to Iran could be used for terrorism

Hur Dur let me say something about Ronald Regan supporting something that means every conservative has to believe it

Honestly your just bad
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1/6/2017 10:17:05 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/6/2017 3:14:16 PM, tejretics wrote:
At 1/6/2017 12:08:13 PM, Reformist wrote:
Obamas [sic] foreign policy is good?

Yes, and you should really stop embarrassing yourself.

ignoring ISIS

Really? Have you read the news lately, or, like, ever?

not protection europe from Russian invasion

I would echo the previous question, and ask you to Google, generally, "economic sanctions against Russia."

giving Iran a surplus of money which they will use to fund terrorism and possibly nuclear weapons

He didn't "give Iran a surplus of money." He ended sanctions on Iran in exchange for them effectively ending their nuclear program. Also, getting Iran to trust the United States is the best way to get them to do what the U.S. wants.

and spying on Europe is great!

Describe, in detail, how problematic this is.

Bu Bu Obama's economy bruh!!!11!! Lowest GDP recovery growth since Herbert Hoover, labor paricpation falling, food stamp and welfare usage increasing, net loss of jobs and higher taxes is SO GREAT!11!!1!!

Obama led the recovery from a crippling economic recession swiftly, ensured substantially greater employment, maintained a low inflation rate, and has overseen a two-thirds cut in the federal deficit. In addition, he has ensured health insurance coverage for 30 million Americans, saving tens of thousands of lives.

Obama's social issues are great man!11!!!1 Because people who dont know where to go to the bathroom and the government forcing me to bake gays cakes is so American and freedom loving right!?!?

Once more, you're embarrassing yourself... LGBT rights are a good thing, not less because injustice is bad.

Then again, I'm sure that's not what fascism says about injustice.

Dude your embarassing yourself

Im not going to explain all of the things I said in this post as I have already posted it on YYW's also remarkbley stupid reply to my comment

So just shut up and read the reply curry muncher
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1/6/2017 11:55:05 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/6/2017 10:15:26 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:
At 1/6/2017 12:08:13 PM, Reformist wrote:
At 4/28/2016 10:29:20 PM, YYW wrote:
Obama really has set the standard for what a president ought to be. He's changed everything. His foreign policy is the most sophisticated, sustainably strong that any American president has ever put forward. His domestic policy has returned our country to a period of economic strength that it has not seen since the 1980s. His stances on social issues are consistent with his values, and the kinds of values that Americans ought to embody. What he leaves behind is an America that is stronger, and a world that is more stable and more secure than it has been under Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy or Johnson. Not since Truman has the international order been as stable as it is now; and, arguably, it has been since the end of the Second World War that we were this safe. Realistically, I would vote for his third term if that were constitutionally possible.

What I fear is what the world looks like, in the future. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton will drag us back into war, and perpetual conflict in the Middle East, because her level of hawkishness parallels noted idiot Lindsey Graham's. I am virtually certain that Hillary Clinton's domestic economic policy will translate into precisely the kinds of international trade agreements and domestic trade policies, as well as--lack of--regulations that gave rise to the economic problems of 2007 and 2008, a year that will remain in infamy for generations.

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home. Clearly, you were not spanked enough as a child.

Obamas foreign policy is good? Yes because ignoring ISIS,

That is false. Obama has been "bombing the sh!t" out of ISIS. See generally any drone strike in Iraq ever.

not protection europe from Russian invasion,

That is also false. Obama has imposed spectacular sanctions of a truly unprecedented character to punish Putin and Russia for Putin's imperial aggression.

giving Iran a surplus of money which they will use to fund terrorism and possibly nuclear weapons,

Iran was not "given a surplus of money," for terrorism, nuclear war, or any other purpose. Funds which were previously frozen were restored in exchange for an agreement to NOT pursue nuclear weapons, and that averted a nuclear arms race in the middle east.

and spying on Europe is great!

The United States has always, and should always, spy on our allies.

What was it that Reagan said? Oh, yes.... trust but verify.

So lets process what you said

Obama has been bombing the sh!t out of civilians. 90 percent of Obama's drone strike victims were innocent

There are higher innocent casualties, and a higher risk of innocent casualties with land invasions, which are the alternative to drone strikes. Is that the option you'd prefer?

Sanctions dont do anything against a nation and provokes them further

Sanctions stopped further incursions or invasions.

White house press admitted money laundered to Iran could be used for terrorism

The white house press secretary merely acknowledged that unfrozen funds were sent to Iran in cash, and he made no admissions that money was laundered or that it could or would be used for any improper purpose.

Hur Dur let me say something about Ronald Regan supporting something that means every conservative has to believe it

Maybe if your brain worked properly you might understand that liberals and "conservatives" don't really disagree about much in terms of foreign policy.

Honestly your just bad

lol, honestly you weren't spanked enough as a child.
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1/7/2017 12:13:37 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/6/2017 10:17:05 PM, Reformist wrote:
Dude your embarassing yourself

I see someone must have woken up in a wet bed this morning.... so angry, all the time. It's ok, you'll outgrow it eventually.

So just shut up and read the reply curry muncher

If you've never had curry, then the joke's on you. You're missing out, you racist little twat.
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1/7/2017 12:14:28 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home.

Its a common theme with his posts from what Ive seen.
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1/7/2017 12:16:19 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/7/2017 12:14:28 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home.

Its a common theme with his posts from what Ive seen.

Indeed. Poor boy... really, so angry, all the time. Although if I was as inept as he's proven to be, I might be too.
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1/7/2017 12:48:15 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/7/2017 12:14:28 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home.

Its a common theme with his posts from what Ive seen.

I just want you to know, I really really value the opinion of someone who has the mental age of 4 and enjoys disney movies like Frozen and Pirates of the Caribbean

I really value it; more than anyone else
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1/7/2017 12:48:46 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/7/2017 12:16:19 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:14:28 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home.

Its a common theme with his posts from what Ive seen.

Indeed. Poor boy... really, so angry, all the time. Although if I was as inept as he's proven to be, I might be too.

Id be as mad as you if I was sexually confused as well
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1/7/2017 12:49:28 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/7/2017 12:48:46 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:16:19 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:14:28 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home.

Its a common theme with his posts from what Ive seen.

Indeed. Poor boy... really, so angry, all the time. Although if I was as inept as he's proven to be, I might be too.

Id be as mad as you if I was sexually confused as well

You know you're going to grow up to like dick....
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1/7/2017 12:50:47 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/7/2017 12:49:28 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:48:46 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:16:19 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:14:28 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home.

Its a common theme with his posts from what Ive seen.

Indeed. Poor boy... really, so angry, all the time. Although if I was as inept as he's proven to be, I might be too.

Id be as mad as you if I was sexually confused as well

You know you're going to grow up to like dick....

Well I dont like stuffing 15 inch dildos in my a$$ like you so nah.
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1/7/2017 12:53:13 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/7/2017 12:50:47 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:49:28 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:48:46 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:16:19 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:14:28 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home.

Its a common theme with his posts from what Ive seen.

Indeed. Poor boy... really, so angry, all the time. Although if I was as inept as he's proven to be, I might be too.

Id be as mad as you if I was sexually confused as well

You know you're going to grow up to like dick....

Well I dont like stuffing 15 inch dildos in my a$$ like you so nah.

lol that's pretty specific.... are you sure that's not a thing you're into? Maybe a little freudian slip there?
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1/7/2017 12:57:29 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/7/2017 12:53:13 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:50:47 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:49:28 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:48:46 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:16:19 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:14:28 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home.

Its a common theme with his posts from what Ive seen.

Indeed. Poor boy... really, so angry, all the time. Although if I was as inept as he's proven to be, I might be too.

Id be as mad as you if I was sexually confused as well

You know you're going to grow up to like dick....

Well I dont like stuffing 15 inch dildos in my a$$ like you so nah.

lol that's pretty specific.... are you sure that's not a thing you're into? Maybe a little freudian slip there?

Only you would have stuffed so many dildos in your a$$ that you could fit a 15 inch dildo in your a$$

You really need to see Mike Pence and get cured
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1/7/2017 1:07:40 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/7/2017 12:57:29 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:53:13 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:50:47 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:49:28 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:48:46 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:16:19 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:14:28 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home.

Its a common theme with his posts from what Ive seen.

Indeed. Poor boy... really, so angry, all the time. Although if I was as inept as he's proven to be, I might be too.

Id be as mad as you if I was sexually confused as well

You know you're going to grow up to like dick....

Well I dont like stuffing 15 inch dildos in my a$$ like you so nah.

lol that's pretty specific.... are you sure that's not a thing you're into? Maybe a little freudian slip there?

Only you would have stuffed so many dildos in your a$$ that you could fit a 15 inch dildo in your a$$

You really need to see Mike Pence and get cured

https://hangouts.google.com...
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1/7/2017 1:34:30 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/6/2017 10:15:26 PM, Reformist wrote:
Obama has been bombing the sh!t out of civilians. 90 percent of Obama's drone strike victims were innocent

Just gonna pop in to say that's not true. These are the most liberal reliable estimates of civilian casualties: https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com...

You'll notice that as the years go by, the conflicts have lower and lower percentages of civilian casualties. For example, the stats for Afghanistan since 2015:

"Bureau data
Total strikes: 852-858
Total killed: 2,344-3,069
Civilians killed: 124-181
Children killed: 6-23
Injured: 304-356"

That's, at a maximum, not more than 10%.
For comparison, the civilian casualties in the 1991 Gulf War were about 3,500 for Iraqi civilians alone, against 25,000 or so total deaths (https://en.wikipedia.org...). Now, bombing terrorists is a lot different than bombing Kuwait in general, so the numbers aren't directly comparable, but the fact remains that civilian casualties of drones are fairly low. I think they're far superior as a military tool to sanctions, when they're feasible. Drones were not ready to be used during the Bush years, IMO, but now they're a very handy, fairly accurate tool. Drones are unfortunately very misunderstood now; they're getting better and better, and we should keep using them.
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1/7/2017 5:50:39 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/7/2017 12:48:15 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:14:28 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home.

Its a common theme with his posts from what Ive seen.

I just want you to know, I really really value the opinion of someone who has the mental age of 4

Judging from the rest of the posts in this thread, the one who is mentally an infant around here can only be you. Its a shame someone hasnt gone back in time to forcibly give your mother an abortion against her will via a coat hanger. Id do it myself if it wouldnt be easier to just kill her
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1/7/2017 11:14:21 AM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/7/2017 5:50:39 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:48:15 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:14:28 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home.

Its a common theme with his posts from what Ive seen.

I just want you to know, I really really value the opinion of someone who has the mental age of 4

Judging from the rest of the posts in this thread, the one who is mentally an infant around here can only be you. Its a shame someone hasnt gone back in time to forcibly give your mother an abortion against her will via a coat hanger. Id do it myself if it wouldnt be easier to just kill her

Attacking a 16 year old kid? On the internet no less? Great f-ing work a$$hat. Grow up. Cheers to you:
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1/7/2017 12:22:45 PM
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At 1/7/2017 11:14:21 AM, MakeSensePeopleDont wrote:
At 1/7/2017 5:50:39 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:48:15 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:14:28 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home.

Its a common theme with his posts from what Ive seen.

I just want you to know, I really really value the opinion of someone who has the mental age of 4

Judging from the rest of the posts in this thread, the one who is mentally an infant around here can only be you. Its a shame someone hasnt gone back in time to forcibly give your mother an abortion against her will via a coat hanger. Id do it myself if it wouldnt be easier to just kill her

Attacking a 16 year old kid? On the internet no less? Great f-ing work a$$hat. Grow up.

Lol go die from cancer. Nobody respects your opinion on here or in real life since you never base any of your claims on fact, just emotional based retardation.

It's no wonder why your family and your own kids avoid having conversations with you. You're senile and should be euthanized like the rabid dog you are

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1/7/2017 12:31:54 PM
Posted: 1 week ago
At 1/7/2017 1:07:40 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:57:29 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:53:13 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:50:47 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:49:28 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:48:46 AM, Reformist wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:16:19 AM, YYW wrote:
At 1/7/2017 12:14:28 AM, imabench wrote:
At 1/6/2017 2:53:38 PM, YYW wrote:

Once again, your abject failure to even understand basic things rings home.

Its a common theme with his posts from what Ive seen.

Indeed. Poor boy... really, so angry, all the time. Although if I was as inept as he's proven to be, I might be too.

Id be as mad as you if I was sexually confused as well

You know you're going to grow up to like dick....

Well I dont like stuffing 15 inch dildos in my a$$ like you so nah.

lol that's pretty specific.... are you sure that's not a thing you're into? Maybe a little freudian slip there?

Only you would have stuffed so many dildos in your a$$ that you could fit a 15 inch dildo in your a$$

You really need to see Mike Pence and get cured

https://hangouts.google.com...

Im not going to pop into a hangout with you at 1 am. I might get raped
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