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4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.
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Grizzly-Jones
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4/29/2016 10:51:07 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

I would agree with most of what you are saying.
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4/29/2016 11:55:29 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

And if Republican's aren't racist, then who is?


Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Flip


Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

There seems to be a two party consensus agreeing that those two things were good ideas with only fringe people disagreeing.


The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

Interesting.


The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

Another shift.


With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

There were probably other factors too.... including young voters in the south becoming Republican which accounted for a big part of the shift.


In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

Both parties have become more ideological.


As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Given that Democrats have literally been running elections by stirring up anti white and anti police hatred which turns up minorities to vote Democrat, it's hard to take seriously the hand wringing over Republicans supposedly using race.


Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

Who said that about slavery?


To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

Will you accept them though??
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4/30/2016 12:22:54 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 11:55:29 PM, Runn92 wrote:
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.



And if Republican's aren't racist, then who is?



Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.


Flip

Flip? What?





Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?




There seems to be a two party consensus agreeing that those two things were good ideas with only fringe people disagreeing.

I mean I agree with you on this one in principal, but in today's political climate, which is completely different from then, it seems that only democrats are okay with something like this.




The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.



Interesting.






The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.



Another shift.




With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.


There were probably other factors too.... including young voters in the south becoming Republican which accounted for a big part of the shift.

True




In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.


Both parties have become more ideological.

Agreed, however if you quantify the positions, Republicans far more than any other party. Especially in the context of the Tea Party penetrating



As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.


Given that Democrats have literally been running elections by stirring up anti white and anti police hatred which turns up minorities to vote Democrat, it's hard to take seriously the hand wringing over Republicans supposedly using race.

Okay, this is where I'm getting annoyed.
1) No. You can still be pro-police and have respect for them, but believe in keeping the standards of policing high. I as a liberal have police family. But I'm still going to support slapping cameras on them for accountability.
2) Several facebook pages affiliated with the Right (I.E Right Wing News, Fox News, etc...) have constantly posted about being pro-police and con "criminals". Dressing us up as hating police which is simply not true. That IS inciting racial tensions. Again, Lee Atwaters admission kinda bunks your whole point here.
3) The majority of Democrats are white. So unless we can be racist against ourselves, this is a really, really stupid point. Again, see point 1. I don't need to hate white people to be pro-Black Lives Matter.





Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.



Who said that about slavery?

http://www.alternet.org...




To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

Will you accept them though??

I mean they're generally nice people, but if they're going to get upset about factual assertions, then they need to get their sh!t straight. I'm a debater. Its what I do. I expect the same from them.
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4/30/2016 12:25:06 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 10:51:07 PM, Grizzly-Jones wrote:
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

I would agree with most of what you are saying.

Thanks!
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4/30/2016 4:26:37 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

Democrats are as bad; I'll address your fallacies later.
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8/19/2016 5:18:50 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

The dems are the kk by a different mask. Hey...let's keep bringing in Mexicans. Why? Slave labor...
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8/19/2016 5:54:14 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2016 5:18:50 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

The dems are the kk by a different mask. Hey...let's keep bringing in Mexicans. Why? Slave labor...

Stop necroposting you turd
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8/19/2016 7:05:11 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2016 5:54:14 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:18:50 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

The dems are the kk by a different mask. Hey...let's keep bringing in Mexicans. Why? Slave labor...

Stop necroposting you turd

Why...what are you going to do triangle? Call me a poopypants? Ooooooo! Triangle called me poopypants! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Now what
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8/19/2016 7:45:40 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2016 7:05:11 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:54:14 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:18:50 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

The dems are the kk by a different mask. Hey...let's keep bringing in Mexicans. Why? Slave labor...

Stop necroposting you turd

Why...what are you going to do triangle? Call me a poopypants? Ooooooo! Triangle called me poopypants! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Now what

you're beyond help
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8/19/2016 7:49:50 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2016 7:45:40 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/19/2016 7:05:11 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:54:14 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:18:50 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

The dems are the kk by a different mask. Hey...let's keep bringing in Mexicans. Why? Slave labor...

Stop necroposting you turd

Why...what are you going to do triangle? Call me a poopypants? Ooooooo! Triangle called me poopypants! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Now what

you're beyond help

That's because I'm a moderate and not a liberal or neo conservative sheep.
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8/19/2016 7:53:13 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2016 7:49:50 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/19/2016 7:45:40 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/19/2016 7:05:11 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:54:14 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:18:50 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

The dems are the kk by a different mask. Hey...let's keep bringing in Mexicans. Why? Slave labor...

Stop necroposting you turd

Why...what are you going to do triangle? Call me a poopypants? Ooooooo! Triangle called me poopypants! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Now what

you're beyond help

That's because I'm a moderate and not a liberal or neo conservative sheep.

you should become an alt-right libertarian
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8/19/2016 7:57:36 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2016 7:53:13 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/19/2016 7:49:50 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/19/2016 7:45:40 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/19/2016 7:05:11 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:54:14 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:18:50 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

The dems are the kk by a different mask. Hey...let's keep bringing in Mexicans. Why? Slave labor...

Stop necroposting you turd

Why...what are you going to do triangle? Call me a poopypants? Ooooooo! Triangle called me poopypants! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Now what

you're beyond help

That's because I'm a moderate and not a liberal or neo conservative sheep.

you should become an alt-right libertarian

I've thought about Libertarian. Right now I'm pirate party according to my profile.
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8/19/2016 9:20:33 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2016 5:18:50 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

The dems are the kk by a different mask. Hey...let's keep bringing in Mexicans. Why? Slave labor...

Yer trollin' is sub-par man.
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8/19/2016 9:43:35 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2016 9:20:33 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:18:50 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

The dems are the kk by a different mask. Hey...let's keep bringing in Mexicans. Why? Slave labor...

Yer trollin' is sub-par man.

Shhhhh...don't tell anyone...

Okay tell everyone! I'll turn it up into bronto 5,000.... don't make me have a a 50some with every female on this forum..
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8/19/2016 10:05:44 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 8/19/2016 9:20:33 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
At 8/19/2016 5:18:50 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

The dems are the kk by a different mask. Hey...let's keep bringing in Mexicans. Why? Slave labor...

Yer trollin' is sub-par man.

Not that I've been with every female on here...only some ....
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8/19/2016 10:12:48 PM
Posted: 3 months ago
At 4/29/2016 10:33:20 PM, TheHitchslap wrote:
So recently on a facebook post I got into a huge battle between a few noted Republicans on here, trying to claim that they're somehow the champions of civil rights movements, along with the idea that they're really not racist.

Look, the Republicans of yesterday under Lincoln versus now are not the same party. And while its true that no one party is the exact same ideologically throughout the years, on civil rights, the idea that the party ideology didn't "flip" is a joke.

Teddy Roosevelt is an excellent example. How many Republicans today would be in favor of opening a national park? Probably not many, as they're more about deregulating everything and anything in their path. Why on earth would a republican of today break up trusts and inspect meat when they believe the almighty "free market" will fix everything?

The next noted shift is under Herbert Hoover, which is the first republican in years to win Texas on their hatred of Catholics. Hoover wins the KKK's support and several southern states as a result.

The next biggest shift is Goldwaters' rejecting the Voting Rights Act, and then FDR's election, making the swap almost pretty much complete after his New Deal proposal. Granted, FDR was fearful of Japanese and made internment camps, the basis of the shift in demographics and ideology is clearly showing. We're looking at huge trends, not isolated examples. His wife was REALLY socially progressive relative to her husband.

With Goldwater, Southern democrats shift to Republicans as a result of Northern leaders becoming Catholic (around the time of Kennedy) and Rockafeller Republicans shift over to democrats with a real dislike of Goldwater. Same with Blacks and this has not changed much.

In fact, from this point on, republicans have since purged even their more moderate folks form their party with the emerging Tea Party actually getting some success, and some have even become democrats as a result.

As such, the swap is complete. The idea that somehow Republicans like Lincoln would still be Republican today is a lie. Republicans of today are basically delusional for claiming that much. To be frank. This isn't even mentioning the Southern strategy under Nixon, or Reagans campaign manager Lee Atwater admitting that Republcians actually are racist now because you "can't say n****er in public anymore" and instead make it about abstract issues.

Look, this isn't to say "all republicans are racist", there are exceptions. But don't be historically delusional. The Republican party of today is not what it was under Lincoln. Not at all. Hell, even some Republicans today have made statements of how positive slavery even turned out to be. This idea that they're the same is really bunk on that basis.

To those who deleted me on facebook, good riddance. If you can't handle factual assertions then you have no business being my friend.

Goldwater rejected the civil rights act because it forces owners to serve blacks

The civil rights movement is actually working againdt their own idea. Forcing private buisness owners to serve people is unjust.
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