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5/3/2016 4:34:43 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
What do you think the Trump wall will look like and be like?

I will give you a proposal:

1) 20 feet high

2)Drug sniffing German shepherds patrol the line of cars crossing the steel Trump drawbridge.

3)Razor wire fence all across the top.

4) Towers with snipers.

5) A Trump Wall t-shirt stand on the American side.

6)Umpa Lumpas selling the t-shirts

The end.
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5/3/2016 4:54:49 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
China makes millions of dollars annually from tourists visiting their wall.

I think we should make Mexican tourists pay to visit the wall.
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5/3/2016 5:18:12 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 4:34:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What do you think the Trump wall will look like and be like?

I will give you a proposal:

1) 20 feet high

2)Drug sniffing German shepherds patrol the line of cars crossing the steel Trump drawbridge.

3)Razor wire fence all across the top.

4) Towers with snipers.

5) A Trump Wall t-shirt stand on the American side.

6)Umpa Lumpas selling the t-shirts

The end.

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5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.
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5/3/2016 10:18:40 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

Other problems aside, you do realize that landmines will only result in innocent people being killed? Every year children are killed by land mines, especially in places like the DMZ between North and South Korea.
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5/3/2016 10:31:37 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 4:34:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What do you think the Trump wall will look like and be like?

I will give you a proposal:

1) 20 feet high

2)Drug sniffing German shepherds patrol the line of cars crossing the steel Trump drawbridge.

3)Razor wire fence all across the top.

4) Towers with snipers.

5) A Trump Wall t-shirt stand on the American side.

6)Umpa Lumpas selling the t-shirts

The end.

1.) And I will show you a 21-foot ladder (which I can already buy online)
2.) Already have the dogs at the border, and the drawbridge is lunacy.
3) And I will show you a pair of wire cutters.
4.) Sniper towers are ineffective at actually stopping people and are used more for scouting than for sniping.
5.) We already have that on our side, ever been to the border?
6.) That's VERY racist

Just watch this and it will explain everything
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5/3/2016 10:44:40 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
That one scene from World War Z will the zombies climbing on top of each other to try to get over the wall as machine gun turrets mow them down in the thousands. Not in my country you wont, and the excuse that you dont want to be raped, tortured, abused, murdered, and oppressed doesn't work.
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5/4/2016 12:37:20 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 10:18:40 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

Other problems aside, you do realize that landmines will only result in innocent people being killed? Every year children are killed by land mines, especially in places like the DMZ between North and South Korea.

You have to define "innocent".
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5/4/2016 12:59:42 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 12:37:20 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/3/2016 10:18:40 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

Other problems aside, you do realize that landmines will only result in innocent people being killed? Every year children are killed by land mines, especially in places like the DMZ between North and South Korea.

You have to define "innocent".

7 year old children playing hide and go seek
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5/4/2016 11:58:07 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

$ound$ completely rea$onable. I can't think of any rea$on a$ to why thi$ won't take off.
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5/4/2016 3:13:23 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 12:59:42 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:37:20 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/3/2016 10:18:40 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

Other problems aside, you do realize that landmines will only result in innocent people being killed? Every year children are killed by land mines, especially in places like the DMZ between North and South Korea.

You have to define "innocent".

7 year old children playing hide and go seek

This assumes that there will be children who live close enough to the border for this risk to exist. If a few do by some off-chance, then surely their parents will warn them very strongly to stay away.
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5/4/2016 3:14:49 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 11:58:07 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

$ound$ completely rea$onable. I can't think of any rea$on a$ to why thi$ won't take off.

The U$FG ha$ a lot of dough at it$ di$po$al.
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5/4/2016 3:17:32 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 3:14:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/4/2016 11:58:07 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

$ound$ completely rea$onable. I can't think of any rea$on a$ to why thi$ won't take off.

The U$FG ha$ a lot of dough at it$ di$po$al.

Is that honestly the best allocation of our resources? Wall and detainment facilities as well as the various recon elements required?
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5/4/2016 3:19:36 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 10:18:40 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

Other problems aside, you do realize that landmines will only result in innocent people being killed? Every year children are killed by land mines, especially in places like the DMZ between North and South Korea.

Their vision of this wall is terrifying. You know this crap can only come from the cowardly brain of the ultra-conservative. Who the he11 else would get excited about land-mining our own country?
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5/4/2016 3:21:23 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 3:19:36 PM, TBR wrote:
At 5/3/2016 10:18:40 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

Other problems aside, you do realize that landmines will only result in innocent people being killed? Every year children are killed by land mines, especially in places like the DMZ between North and South Korea.

Their vision of this wall is terrifying. You know this crap can only come from the cowardly brain of the ultra-conservative. Who the he11 else would get excited about land-mining our own country?

Psycopaths and morons mostly
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5/4/2016 3:23:06 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 3:13:23 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:59:42 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:37:20 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/3/2016 10:18:40 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

Other problems aside, you do realize that landmines will only result in innocent people being killed? Every year children are killed by land mines, especially in places like the DMZ between North and South Korea.

You have to define "innocent".

7 year old children playing hide and go seek

This assumes that there will be children who live close enough to the border for this risk to exist. If a few do by some off-chance, then surely their parents will warn them very strongly to stay away.

1) People already live on the US-Mexico border, especially in Texas, where most of the border is owned by private citizens.
2) When do kids ever listen to their parents?
3) And we haven't even discussed the issue of the Mexican side of the border where the risk will be even higher and we would kill many foreign citizens and would be essentially an act of war.
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5/4/2016 3:32:06 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 3:23:06 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/4/2016 3:13:23 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:59:42 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:37:20 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/3/2016 10:18:40 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

Other problems aside, you do realize that landmines will only result in innocent people being killed? Every year children are killed by land mines, especially in places like the DMZ between North and South Korea.

You have to define "innocent".

7 year old children playing hide and go seek

This assumes that there will be children who live close enough to the border for this risk to exist. If a few do by some off-chance, then surely their parents will warn them very strongly to stay away.

1) People already live on the US-Mexico border, especially in Texas, where most of the border is owned by private citizens.
2) When do kids ever listen to their parents?
3) And we haven't even discussed the issue of the Mexican side of the border where the risk will be even higher and we would kill many foreign citizens and would be essentially an act of war.

1. Eminent Domain
2. Their parents can either make them listen or move away. Why does any family live near railroad tracks or an open road? Or a forest with lots of hunters?
3. Eminent Domain on their side as well. For decades the Mexican Government has done absolutely nothing to curtail the wave of people illegally crossing over into our territory through the open border, so I'd consider seizing some Mexican land at the border to be justified for purposes of defending ourselves. It's no more an act of war than the Mexican government's inability to act is.
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5/4/2016 3:33:53 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 3:17:32 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/4/2016 3:14:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/4/2016 11:58:07 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

$ound$ completely rea$onable. I can't think of any rea$on a$ to why thi$ won't take off.

The U$FG ha$ a lot of dough at it$ di$po$al.

Is that honestly the best allocation of our resources? Wall and detainment facilities as well as the various recon elements required?

To secure our border, yes.
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5/4/2016 3:37:08 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 3:33:53 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/4/2016 3:17:32 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/4/2016 3:14:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/4/2016 11:58:07 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

$ound$ completely rea$onable. I can't think of any rea$on a$ to why thi$ won't take off.

The U$FG ha$ a lot of dough at it$ di$po$al.

Is that honestly the best allocation of our resources? Wall and detainment facilities as well as the various recon elements required?

To secure our border, yes.

You honestly can't think of any other way that money, consisting of multiple billions, with no guarantee of success might be better used? Honestly? One tenth the operating cost for a year would probably provide enough resources to fix the water and education issues in Detroit, without employing still more government employees, and their subsequent retirement packages.
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5/4/2016 3:38:32 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 4:34:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What do you think the Trump wall will look like and be like?

I will give you a proposal:

1) 20 feet high

2)Drug sniffing German shepherds patrol the line of cars crossing the steel Trump drawbridge.

3)Razor wire fence all across the top.

4) Towers with snipers.

5) A Trump Wall t-shirt stand on the American side.

6)Umpa Lumpas selling the t-shirts

The end.

Trump won't build a wall, because he won't be President, and even if he were this is just his opening negotiation point. In all likelihood any final deal would resemble Gang of 8.
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5/4/2016 3:39:31 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
I'm not sure what his version is going to be like, however mine would be a bit more pragmatic. Utilizing some out of the box thinking to make it beneficial to both the US and Mexico.

Pollution eating concrete
Over the water features, a water treatment facility
Solar Farms
Telecommunications

Making it infrastructure instead of just a barrier

Spending a bit more to make it both grand and useful. By creating things that would be in secure facilities anyways (like the water treatment facility), solar farms, telecommunications stations, etc.

It would be beneficial to both the US and Mexico and provide cleaner water for the new river, alternative energy sources, clean up air pollution, and create jobs while doing so.

We already spend a lot of money maintaining the border, as well as alternative energy research.

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5/4/2016 3:43:07 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 3:37:08 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/4/2016 3:33:53 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/4/2016 3:17:32 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/4/2016 3:14:49 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/4/2016 11:58:07 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

$ound$ completely rea$onable. I can't think of any rea$on a$ to why thi$ won't take off.

The U$FG ha$ a lot of dough at it$ di$po$al.

Is that honestly the best allocation of our resources? Wall and detainment facilities as well as the various recon elements required?

To secure our border, yes.

You honestly can't think of any other way that money, consisting of multiple billions, with no guarantee of success might be better used? Honestly? One tenth the operating cost for a year would probably provide enough resources to fix the water and education issues in Detroit, without employing still more government employees, and their subsequent retirement packages.

If you've got a better idea to secure the border (and no, "do nothing" doesn't count as an idea) then I'm all ears.
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5/4/2016 3:55:40 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

$ound$ completely rea$onable. I can't think of any rea$on a$ to why thi$ won't take off.

The U$FG ha$ a lot of dough at it$ di$po$al.

Is that honestly the best allocation of our resources? Wall and detainment facilities as well as the various recon elements required?

To secure our border, yes.

You honestly can't think of any other way that money, consisting of multiple billions, with no guarantee of success might be better used? Honestly? One tenth the operating cost for a year would probably provide enough resources to fix the water and education issues in Detroit, without employing still more government employees, and their subsequent retirement packages.

If you've got a better idea to secure the border (and no, "do nothing" doesn't count as an idea) then I'm all ears.

Broker returned immigrants against the national debt with Mexico, failing that, retain said caught immigrants as a permanently jailed (read slave labor) resident for infrastructure projects.

Yes. Ransom their citizens.

You will notice this does nothing to increase the debt, pays the immigrant nothing, eliminates their ability to sponge off the system OR send money back home, and deters future immigrants, and prevents said immigrant from committing crimes as well as accomplishes whatever ends we need from them.
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5/4/2016 4:01:09 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
It doesn't matter what the wall will be like. Mr. Trump is making a point about the people who are opposed to building the wall. Theoretically the wall stops people who don't have a visa from sneaking into our country. What is on the border now is a fence that often fails to do this job.
The brings up the principle that if something is happening and you don't do something to stop it, you are consenting to it.
Many people are opposed to the wall because they want illegal aliens to work here because they don't want to hire black workers, to them the illegals are a solution to this problem.
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5/4/2016 4:08:46 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 3:32:06 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/4/2016 3:23:06 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/4/2016 3:13:23 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:59:42 AM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:37:20 AM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 5/3/2016 10:18:40 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:38 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
1. Electric Fences
2. Landmines (near the fences only)
3. Drones to watch over tens of thousands of miles of land
4. Snipers
5. A network of Detention Centers capable of holding hundreds of thousands of people at a time; those captured will not only be sent back to Mexico quickly but they'll be sent back to the very bottom of Mexico so that they cannot immediately try again

The land near the border (on both sides) will be acquisitioned by the US military and completely stripped of any civilization other than government facilities. The US Border Police will be militarised and its people will be given military training. They will be equipped with loads of helicopters, offroad vehicles, and the likes.
Likewise, American coasts near the US-Mexico border will be patrolled by drones. Coast Guard vessels will be stationed so that they can be quickly deployed to any area where a smuggler's boat has been detected. The passengers on the captured boats will be sent to the detention facilities, the boat used will be seized by the US government, and then all parties will be sent to the bottom of Mexico.

Other problems aside, you do realize that landmines will only result in innocent people being killed? Every year children are killed by land mines, especially in places like the DMZ between North and South Korea.

You have to define "innocent".

7 year old children playing hide and go seek

This assumes that there will be children who live close enough to the border for this risk to exist. If a few do by some off-chance, then surely their parents will warn them very strongly to stay away.

1) People already live on the US-Mexico border, especially in Texas, where most of the border is owned by private citizens.
2) When do kids ever listen to their parents?
3) And we haven't even discussed the issue of the Mexican side of the border where the risk will be even higher and we would kill many foreign citizens and would be essentially an act of war.

1. Eminent Domain
2. Their parents can either make them listen or move away. Why does any family live near railroad tracks or an open road? Or a forest with lots of hunters?
3. Eminent Domain on their side as well. For decades the Mexican Government has done absolutely nothing to curtail the wave of people illegally crossing over into our territory through the open border, so I'd consider seizing some Mexican land at the border to be justified for purposes of defending ourselves. It's no more an act of war than the Mexican government's inability to act is.

1. Just watch the John Oliver segment I posted earlier, it talks about that, and most of these other issues.
2. Why? Because they own a farm, or rent that land, or inherited that house, or can't afford a house somewhere else.
3. The US government can't seize land from Mexico without invading Mexico, and we wouldn't be allowed to annex that land because of this little thing called the Geneva convention. And you seem to think that there is a massive wave of people coming over from Mexico but that is actually false because net immigration from Mexico is 0. More than half of "illegal immigrants" coming to the US are coming to the US legally and then overstay their visas. Also, we don't have an "Open Border" with Mexico. We have a highly militarized border, with Drones, armoured vehicles, soldiers and a giant fence, and things aren't that different on the Mexican side of the border, where they have essentially the same things.
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5/4/2016 4:10:26 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 4:01:09 PM, upsucker wrote:
It doesn't matter what the wall will be like. Mr. Drumpf is making a point about the people who are opposed to building the wall. Theoretically the wall stops people who don't have a visa from sneaking into our country. What is on the border now is a fence that often fails to do this job.
The brings up the principle that if something is happening and you don't do something to stop it, you are consenting to it.
Many people are opposed to the wall because they want illegal aliens to work here because they don't want to hire black workers, to them the illegals are a solution to this problem.

Actually, most people are opposed to the wall because it is a stupid idea that will not work.
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5/4/2016 4:30:29 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 4:10:26 PM, BrendanD19 wrote:
At 5/4/2016 4:01:09 PM, upsucker wrote:
It doesn't matter what the wall will be like. Mr. Drumpf is making a point about the people who are opposed to building the wall. Theoretically the wall stops people who don't have a visa from sneaking into our country. What is on the border now is a fence that often fails to do this job.
The brings up the principle that if something is happening and you don't do something to stop it, you are consenting to it.
Many people are opposed to the wall because they want illegal aliens to work here because they don't want to hire black workers, to them the illegals are a solution to this problem.

Actually, most people are opposed to the wall because it is a stupid idea that will not work.


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