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5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.

Who sold black slaves to the English, French and Spanish? Black people.
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5/4/2016 12:01:55 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM, smelisox wrote:
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.

Who sold black slaves to the English, French and Spanish? Black people.

Hell, statistically most black people are likely to be the descendants of african slavers than african slaves.
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5/4/2016 12:47:46 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
"I am angry about a minor imagined slight committed by a hypothetical black person that I have entirely invented in my head, therefore I criticise black people historically." - Smelisox

You know the only one going on about the atrocities committed by people's forefather's is you, right?
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5/4/2016 7:23:44 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM, smelisox wrote:
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.

Who sold black slaves to the English, French and Spanish? Black people.

It wasn't black people as a whole, it was the idiots in power that sold their people to slavery.
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5/4/2016 7:29:13 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM, smelisox wrote:
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.


This utterly moronic fantasy you have has never happened in the history of the fu*king world.
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5/4/2016 7:38:33 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 7:23:44 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM, smelisox wrote:
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.

Who sold black slaves to the English, French and Spanish? Black people.

It wasn't black people as a whole, it was the idiots in power that sold their people to slavery.

^^^^

Also just to be fair every single race and civilization has practiced slavery. Chinese, European, African, etc.
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5/4/2016 7:47:58 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 7:38:33 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
At 5/4/2016 7:23:44 PM, triangle.128k wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM, smelisox wrote:
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.

Who sold black slaves to the English, French and Spanish? Black people.

It wasn't black people as a whole, it was the idiots in power that sold their people to slavery.

^^^^

Also just to be fair every single race and civilization has practiced slavery. Chinese, European, African, etc.

Try telling that to SJWs, because they think slavery and racism was invented and practiced by Whites, and Whites only.
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5/4/2016 7:56:33 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 7:39:09 PM, Sam7411 wrote:
Also this thread belongs in the history forum

It does not. It belongs crammed right back into the moronic brain it came from
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5/5/2016 12:27:36 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
The only reason the issue of slavery still exists is because blacks want excuses for not living up to being decent citizens. The only reason for today's imagined racial oppression of blacks is for excuses for blacks not living up to being decent citizens.

Slavery wouldn't have exited without black slavers to sell blacks into slavery. . . And, today, there's no greater force in America promoting slavery than a black man in a voting booth voting for Democrats.
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5/5/2016 1:32:42 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 12:47:46 PM, Overhead wrote:
"I am angry about a minor imagined slight committed by a hypothetical black person that I have entirely invented in my head, therefore I criticise black people historically." - Smelisox

You know the only one going on about the atrocities committed by people's forefather's is you, right?

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5/5/2016 2:12:10 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Slavery still exists. Black people still sell other black people into slavery in Africa.
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5/5/2016 3:38:13 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
This is a really strange post coming from a member of the Labour Party.
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5/5/2016 3:44:22 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 12:01:55 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM, smelisox wrote:
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.

Who sold black slaves to the English, French and Spanish? Black people.

Hell, statistically most black people are likely to be the descendants of african slavers than african slaves.

Your contention is full of holes and is not historically accurate. Many slaves that were traded between black tribes were prisoners of war and problematic to keep. They were not selling their own; loyalties were along lines of lineage. The slave structure of the time was not similar to what was practiced in Europe and the states. Yes, black slaves within African tribes did perform domestic chores and worked farms, but also worked in the trades and where considered dependents of the owner. Many even rose in rank and took positions of status. It wasn"t until the Ottomans and Europeans went through Africa did the slave trade resemble an oppressive trade in human commodity. Tribal slavery needs to be examined within the societal structure of the historical era; not through a modern myopic lens to justify a sick and misinformed premise. Slavery has always existed in some form of the other as a bi-product of conflict or representation of wealth. The social constructs between internal social groups in Africa and how slaves were treated and seen differed greatly from the Ottomans and Europeans. Slavery within Africa didn't alter its course until external influences and pressures were placed upon it.

http://africa.unc.edu...
http://autocww.colorado.edu...
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5/5/2016 5:45:49 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 7:47:58 PM, triangle.128k wrote:

Try telling that to SJWs, because they think slavery and racism was invented and practiced by Whites, and Whites only.

lol who thinks that? I'll wait while you come up with sources.
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5/5/2016 6:07:59 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/5/2016 3:44:22 PM, Peepette wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:01:55 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM, smelisox wrote:
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.

Who sold black slaves to the English, French and Spanish? Black people.

Hell, statistically most black people are likely to be the descendants of african slavers than african slaves.

Your contention is full of holes and is not historically accurate. Many slaves that were traded between black tribes were prisoners of war and problematic to keep. They were not selling their own; loyalties were along lines of lineage. The slave structure of the time was not similar to what was practiced in Europe and the states. Yes, black slaves within African tribes did perform domestic chores and worked farms, but also worked in the trades and where considered dependents of the owner. Many even rose in rank and took positions of status. It wasn"t until the Ottomans and Europeans went through Africa did the slave trade resemble an oppressive trade in human commodity. Tribal slavery needs to be examined within the societal structure of the historical era; not through a modern myopic lens to justify a sick and misinformed premise. Slavery has always existed in some form of the other as a bi-product of conflict or representation of wealth. The social constructs between internal social groups in Africa and how slaves were treated and seen differed greatly from the Ottomans and Europeans. Slavery within Africa didn't alter its course until external influences and pressures were placed upon it.

http://africa.unc.edu...
http://autocww.colorado.edu...

Oh no, it's reality!

Not reality! Everyone, run away!
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5/5/2016 6:15:06 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/5/2016 6:07:59 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/5/2016 3:44:22 PM, Peepette wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:01:55 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM, smelisox wrote:
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.

Who sold black slaves to the English, French and Spanish? Black people.

Hell, statistically most black people are likely to be the descendants of african slavers than african slaves.

Your contention is full of holes and is not historically accurate. Many slaves that were traded between black tribes were prisoners of war and problematic to keep. They were not selling their own; loyalties were along lines of lineage. The slave structure of the time was not similar to what was practiced in Europe and the states. Yes, black slaves within African tribes did perform domestic chores and worked farms, but also worked in the trades and where considered dependents of the owner. Many even rose in rank and took positions of status. It wasn"t until the Ottomans and Europeans went through Africa did the slave trade resemble an oppressive trade in human commodity. Tribal slavery needs to be examined within the societal structure of the historical era; not through a modern myopic lens to justify a sick and misinformed premise. Slavery has always existed in some form of the other as a bi-product of conflict or representation of wealth. The social constructs between internal social groups in Africa and how slaves were treated and seen differed greatly from the Ottomans and Europeans. Slavery within Africa didn't alter its course until external influences and pressures were placed upon it.

http://africa.unc.edu...
http://autocww.colorado.edu...

Oh no, it's reality!

Not reality! Everyone, run away!

Ehhh? That comment made a lot of sense.
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5/5/2016 6:25:32 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/5/2016 6:15:06 PM, Peepette wrote:
At 5/5/2016 6:07:59 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/5/2016 3:44:22 PM, Peepette wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:01:55 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM, smelisox wrote:
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.

Who sold black slaves to the English, French and Spanish? Black people.

Hell, statistically most black people are likely to be the descendants of african slavers than african slaves.

Your contention is full of holes and is not historically accurate. Many slaves that were traded between black tribes were prisoners of war and problematic to keep. They were not selling their own; loyalties were along lines of lineage. The slave structure of the time was not similar to what was practiced in Europe and the states. Yes, black slaves within African tribes did perform domestic chores and worked farms, but also worked in the trades and where considered dependents of the owner. Many even rose in rank and took positions of status. It wasn"t until the Ottomans and Europeans went through Africa did the slave trade resemble an oppressive trade in human commodity. Tribal slavery needs to be examined within the societal structure of the historical era; not through a modern myopic lens to justify a sick and misinformed premise. Slavery has always existed in some form of the other as a bi-product of conflict or representation of wealth. The social constructs between internal social groups in Africa and how slaves were treated and seen differed greatly from the Ottomans and Europeans. Slavery within Africa didn't alter its course until external influences and pressures were placed upon it.

http://africa.unc.edu...
http://autocww.colorado.edu...

Oh no, it's reality!

Not reality! Everyone, run away!

Ehhh? That comment made a lot of sense.

I was being sardonic. Your post was great, and it's accurate, but smelisox, like most people, is digging through history for a narrative, not for reality. Realistic analysis will be met with either silence or dismissal in situations like this. Nuance clutters up the story. I'm glad you posted it though, so that people who aren't invested in the topic can see an accurate point of view.
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5/5/2016 6:27:41 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/5/2016 6:25:32 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/5/2016 6:15:06 PM, Peepette wrote:
At 5/5/2016 6:07:59 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 5/5/2016 3:44:22 PM, Peepette wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:01:55 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM, smelisox wrote:
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.

Who sold black slaves to the English, French and Spanish? Black people.

Hell, statistically most black people are likely to be the descendants of african slavers than african slaves.

Your contention is full of holes and is not historically accurate. Many slaves that were traded between black tribes were prisoners of war and problematic to keep. They were not selling their own; loyalties were along lines of lineage. The slave structure of the time was not similar to what was practiced in Europe and the states. Yes, black slaves within African tribes did perform domestic chores and worked farms, but also worked in the trades and where considered dependents of the owner. Many even rose in rank and took positions of status. It wasn"t until the Ottomans and Europeans went through Africa did the slave trade resemble an oppressive trade in human commodity. Tribal slavery needs to be examined within the societal structure of the historical era; not through a modern myopic lens to justify a sick and misinformed premise. Slavery has always existed in some form of the other as a bi-product of conflict or representation of wealth. The social constructs between internal social groups in Africa and how slaves were treated and seen differed greatly from the Ottomans and Europeans. Slavery within Africa didn't alter its course until external influences and pressures were placed upon it.

http://africa.unc.edu...
http://autocww.colorado.edu...

Oh no, it's reality!

Not reality! Everyone, run away!

Ehhh? That comment made a lot of sense.

I was being sardonic. Your post was great, and it's accurate, but smelisox, like most people, is digging through history for a narrative, not for reality. Realistic analysis will be met with either silence or dismissal in situations like this. Nuance clutters up the story. I'm glad you posted it though, so that people who aren't invested in the topic can see an accurate point of view.

Thanks, for a minute there I thought I had another smelisox to put in check.
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5/5/2016 8:14:33 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM, smelisox wrote:
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.

Who sold black slaves to the English, French and Spanish? Black people.

You are so racist...(kidding)

Black people dog their own and may actually be the biggest racists on Earth. Most younger white people don't even have any sense of "black inferiority". The days of MLK are gone. He had a dream. It came true. Time for peopleto stop whining around and using it as an excuse. My people were forced like cattle to "Indian territory". So what. No one cares anymore. That was then. This is now. The trail of tears is done. Slavery and nonequalrights are over with. Act like Americans.
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5/5/2016 8:41:37 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM, smelisox wrote:
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.

Who sold black slaves to the English, French and Spanish? Black people.

This is stupid and you should feel bad about saying it.
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5/5/2016 9:40:12 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/5/2016 8:41:37 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM, smelisox wrote:
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.

Who sold black slaves to the English, French and Spanish? Black people.

This is stupid and you should feel bad about saying it.

This isn't stupid, and I shouldn't feel bad about saying it.
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5/5/2016 9:41:27 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/5/2016 3:38:13 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
This is a really strange post coming from a member of the Labour Party.

Agreeing with some of labour's policies = member of the Labour Party?

Sh^t, I agree with some of the Nazis' economic policies... Better go turn myself in.

If you've got any more dumb comments, please put them in the locker before opening this thread.
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5/5/2016 11:55:54 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/5/2016 9:40:12 PM, smelisox wrote:
At 5/5/2016 8:41:37 PM, YYW wrote:
At 5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM, smelisox wrote:
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.

Who sold black slaves to the English, French and Spanish? Black people.

This is stupid and you should feel bad about saying it.

This isn't stupid, and I shouldn't feel bad about saying it.

Your premise fits a negative stereotype which often, and in this case untrue. It's like saying all Jews are stingy; also an untrue stereotype.
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5/5/2016 11:57:58 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/5/2016 8:14:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Most younger white people don't even have any sense of "black inferiority".

How do younger white people not have a sense of black inferiority when black preferences put less qualified blacks next to whites in school and business?
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5/6/2016 1:54:51 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/5/2016 11:57:58 PM, Rukado wrote:
At 5/5/2016 8:14:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Most younger white people don't even have any sense of "black inferiority".

How do younger white people not have a sense of black inferiority when black preferences put less qualified blacks next to whites in school and business?

Oh stop it. I've had reverse racism exacted on me. That's life. If black people have majority and leverage in the situation you get the same exact results but in reverse. Black people had slaves during the civil war. The idea that white people are racists while black people are victims is b.s. This isnt 1955. It's a loaded excuse to toss out if a black person doesn't make it. Meanwhile all kinds of black people are having success because they choose to.
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5/6/2016 2:18:15 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/5/2016 11:57:58 PM, Rukado wrote:
At 5/5/2016 8:14:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Most younger white people don't even have any sense of "black inferiority".

How do younger white people not have a sense of black inferiority when black preferences put less qualified blacks next to whites in school and business?

I would expect this type of hyperbole from an unenlightened youngster who has not been in the world at large, not a person of your maturity. I personally do some work at a local college where 30% of the population is black (in a NE town who's' general population is at about 2% black) I found that these black value education, have intelligence, are well spoken and polite, If I were a business owner I would not hesitate to hire any one of them and be able to hold them to the same standard as any white person.
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5/6/2016 2:24:52 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/4/2016 12:00:43 PM, smelisox wrote:
So please, shut up about it. Is this really an acceptable society?

"Hey, you cut in line!"
"My grandfather was a black slave"
"Oh okay, sorry for being white"

It's gotten to a ridiculous point. I'm here to set things straight.

Who sold black slaves to the English, French and Spanish? Black people.

Slavery was part of the "social contract" of that time. If slaves did not like it they should have moved.
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