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Libertarianism's Racial Dimension

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12/6/2010 11:52:06 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Does Libertarianism Have a Racial Dimension?

Libertarianism is the quintessential political expression of the same suburbanite urge to separate from our society's socio-economic troubles, born from its socio-economic disparities, that tends to produce "white flight". To really nutshell it right up front, the same middle-class, Me-Generation griping about affirmative action and multiculturalism that can be heard around white-collar water coolers tightly focused into a phony free-marketarian philosophy = libertarianism.

That is, "libertarianism" is the white-flight mentalité equipped with a political belief system. It's an irritatedly individualistic ideology for whiny white people who are disaffected from and would like to opt out of a welfare state that serves what they consider to be the parasitical dregs of society, i.e. mostly people of color living below the poverty line who because of limited opportunities find themselves entangled in our society's social safety net.

In other words, libertarians see the world from an everyone-should-just-look-out-for-#1 perspective with subtle racial overtones. Naturally they loathe the very idea of socialism, of being thrown together on equal terms with the needy non-white neighbors they wish to disown and distance themselves from. Socialism is about solidarity and what libertarians really want is isolationism from the economically challenged and "ethnic" underclass.

Libertarians aren't technically "racist" per se, they don't actually have hatred in their hearts for minorities, their hearts are too cold for that. They just lack any and all sense of connectedness with the underprivileged and the discriminated-against.

Libertarians certainly don't fancy being taxed one red cent to make a helping difference in the life of the stereotypical black welfare mom. Their mentality's motto is "Millions for prisons but not a penny for tribute to the poor masses of the economically distressed inner cities of the nation". And since African Americans and Hispanics are disproportionately represented among the recipients of public assistance, the libertarian's resentment against "free riders" becomes somewhat of a racial bias.

The libertarian's callous attitude toward those whom he perceives as society's leeches and losers rubs off on his attitude toward the victims of social and racial injustice, this is essentially how a racial tude is born from his worldview. It's the libertarian's selfish desire to not be bothered and burdened with the needs of capitalism's victims that leads to a lack of empathy and sympathy and a tendency to insensitively profile the poor that's tinged with classism and bigotry.

It turns out that libertarianism is largely just an intellectual construct that accommodates and rationalizes all of the above and allows the "libertarian" to put a principled spin on his version of political self-interest and identity politics. So, again, no, the libertarian doesn't quite have hate burning in his stony, selfish heart, he just doesn't have much love in it for anyone but himself and those with whom he identifies, which doesn't include poor black and brown folks.

Of course though, in some cases the libertarian's lack of affinity for the cash-poor and melanin-rich can become a palpable political animosity that really comes through in the stridency of his "politically-incorrect" stance, and that smacks of actual racism. But libertarians don't ever really let their racialist freak flag fly, they just become downright bold about ideologically dissing the disadvantaged dark-skinned demographic of society.

Well then, the libertarian's fondness for laissez–faire capitalism and his willingness to abolish social programs that feed poor children in the ghetto blurs together and it becomes a Which came first, the chicken or the egg question. Either way, libertarians definitely have their racial issues and need to fess up about this shameful truth of their psychology. Sure, behind a person's politics you always find psychology, none of us is truly all that objective, but sometimes it's an enlightened mind-set that shines through into one's politics, and other times it's a benighted mentality lurking in dark recesses of one's mind. Alas, in the case of libertarians it's sadly the latter.

Want some anecdotal evidence, have you ever noticed how many libertarians can get pretty cranky and conceited about the superiority of their logic when dealing with someone who disagrees with them? This is just another symptom that their philosophical point of view is that of an egoist with anti-egalitarian attitudes, someone who isn't interested in playing well with others on a level societal playing field. That is, libertarians are so deeply invested in and touchy about their politics that it becomes obvious that their politics are actually an extension of a certain chauvinistic type of personality and take on life.

A veritable misanthropic take on life that seems to single out and concentrate on categories of people that are an easy mark for it, such as women, immigrants, and certain races. The more intensely the libertarian spotlights such groups with his hostility, the thinner a veneer his ideology becomes for a subconscious racism.

But what would the libertarian's utopia look like, would it be such an inhospitable place for low-status groups to live in, would they be in a better position to raise their status in a libertarian promised land? Well, arguably the sort of free-for-all "meritocracy" that the libertarian advocates would soon degenerate into a plutocracy, those with a more ruthless drive to be on top would have a free hand with which to cut throats and would soon establish their social and political dominance over the rest of us. We'd find ourselves living under a feudalistic form of capitalism in which most of us are reduced to the role of white-collar vassals and blue-collar serfs. And since there'd be few if any legal protections against discrimination in such a system people who've historically been the victims of racism would continue to find things stacked against them and would end up being a sizable percentage of the serf class. Not exactly an inviting prospect for non-Caucasoids!

Libertarians like to retreat from this ugly reality into nice legal fictions of "social contracts", but would their kind of social contract, a social contract based on naked self-interest, even have an "equal protection clause" of any sort? And assuming it did, if libertarians abolished big brotherly courts in their free-marketeer's Shangri-la then who would enforce it? The free market itself? That's just ivory-tower theory that doesn't ever pan out empirically.

No, under libertarianism unchecked processes of social sedimentation would deposit most well-pigmented people in an underclass where they'd be at the mercy of Mighty Whitey and his capitalist ruling class more than ever. This prospect doesn't bother the libertarian too much though, both because he suffers from an empathy deficit and also because his social contract would provide him with an escape clause to be a selfish individualist with no social responsibility to the colored causalities of capitalism.

To sum up here, it's hardly surprising that many right-libertarians adored the angry white man's candidate Ron Paul (who in fact wrote racist newsletters in the 90s). At best the libertarian is insensitively indifferent to racial justice issues, at worst he sides with the opposition to racial justice on the grounds that freedom is an absolute that ought not be compromised to protect our civil rights. Ironically his love of freedom endangers those very rights that make freedom worth having! Yes, in a supremely ironic twist the libertarian turns out to be an anti-civil libertarian reactionary with a cold-bloodedly individualistic creed.
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12/6/2010 11:59:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 11:57:10 AM, Caramel wrote:
Popularity, Charles, is certainly NOT one of your goals on this site :)

DUDE READ HIS AMAZING WORDS! THEY ARE LIKE SWEET HONEY TO MY EARS! I CAN TASTE THE KNOWLEDGE AS I UTTER EVERY WORD!
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12/6/2010 12:02:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Interesting that you equate black with poor and call us the racists.
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12/6/2010 12:04:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 11:52:06 AM, charleslb wrote:
Want some anecdotal evidence, have you ever noticed how many libertarians can get pretty cranky and conceited about the superiority of their logic when dealing with someone who disagrees with them?
Yes.
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12/6/2010 12:04:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:04:16 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/6/2010 11:52:06 AM, charleslb wrote:
Want some anecdotal evidence, have you ever noticed how many libertarians can get pretty cranky and conceited about the superiority of their logic when dealing with someone who disagrees with them?
Yes.
--

And their ideology is almost as catastrophic as possible.
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12/6/2010 12:28:16 PM
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Given that libertarians generally support open borders, it would allow millions of Indians, Africans, and Chinese to come live here. Most libertarians would take a drastic cut in wages because of the increased competition, but the human race would be better off.

But no you're right, libertarians support this because they secretly want to maintain white dominance and they're just retarded for not realizing it.
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12/6/2010 12:30:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:28:16 PM, Sieben wrote:
Given that libertarians generally support open borders, it would allow millions of Indians, Africans, and Chinese to come live here. Most libertarians would take a drastic cut in wages because of the increased competition, but the human race would be better off.

But no you're right, libertarians support this because they secretly want to maintain white dominance and they're just retarded for not realizing it.

Do you mean a million more (which seems pretty unlikely to me, since their current domestic limitations outweigh our current attempts at pseudo isolationism), are you terribly naive, or simply grossly misinformed?
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12/6/2010 12:31:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:04:59 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:04:16 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/6/2010 11:52:06 AM, charleslb wrote:
Want some anecdotal evidence, have you ever noticed how many libertarians can get pretty cranky and conceited about the superiority of their logic when dealing with someone who disagrees with them?
Yes.
--

And their ideology is almost as catastrophic as possible.

yes.. for who will stone the adulterers?

and how will the Beheading of Opposers be carried out??

Catastrophy!
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12/6/2010 12:33:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:30:41 PM, Ren wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:28:16 PM, Sieben wrote:
Given that libertarians generally support open borders, it would allow millions of Indians, Africans, and Chinese to come live here. Most libertarians would take a drastic cut in wages because of the increased competition, but the human race would be better off.

But no you're right, libertarians support this because they secretly want to maintain white dominance and they're just retarded for not realizing it.

Do you mean a million more (which seems pretty unlikely to me, since their current domestic limitations outweigh our current attempts at pseudo isolationism), are you terribly naive, or simply grossly misinformed?
No. I mean that millions of them already living here would "come live here". If we lowered our borders, the country's population would probably triple in 10 years.
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12/6/2010 12:35:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:31:05 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:04:59 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:04:16 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/6/2010 11:52:06 AM, charleslb wrote:
Want some anecdotal evidence, have you ever noticed how many libertarians can get pretty cranky and conceited about the superiority of their logic when dealing with someone who disagrees with them?
Yes.
--

And their ideology is almost as catastrophic as possible.

yes.. for who will stone the adulterers?

and how will the Beheading of Opposers be carried out??

Catastrophy!

LOL.
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12/6/2010 12:36:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:31:05 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:04:59 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:04:16 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/6/2010 11:52:06 AM, charleslb wrote:
Want some anecdotal evidence, have you ever noticed how many libertarians can get pretty cranky and conceited about the superiority of their logic when dealing with someone who disagrees with them?
Yes.
--

And their ideology is almost as catastrophic as possible.

yes.. for who will stone the adulterers?

and how will the Beheading of Opposers be carried out??

Catastrophy!
Yes, who will prevent adultery, fornication, intoxicates, murdering of millions of unborn human beings, STD's, jealousy killings, cut family ties, millions of accidents related to alcohol, theft, rape, slander, indirect murder, psychological murder, just to mention a few monstrosities. Libertarianism is a shame in and itself. It is as scientifically outdated as Shakespeare's corpse.
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12/6/2010 12:38:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:33:12 PM, Sieben wrote:
No. I mean that millions of them already living here would "come live here". If we lowered our borders, the country's population would probably triple in 10 years.

Well, my point is that, realistically speaking, it probably will. In fact, if things stayed exactly as they are, it may grow at an even faster rate.

If we better educated our native society, it would be nothing but incredibly beneficial for our economy. Otherwise, it would be terribly disastrous. Of course, we could always just become isolationist and then get mad when the rest of the world passes us by.
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12/6/2010 12:40:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:36:53 PM, Sieben wrote:
Since Mirza is flaming about libertarianism, I'd like to take a minute to post this. http://www.debate.org...
If you have a case to make, then make it here. You could not withstand refutations in the forums and moved on to a challenge on a debate that I did not ask for, nor do I care about 80% of the nonsense you mentioned in it.

Present your case or be ashamed, as much as your ideology should be.
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12/6/2010 12:41:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:38:44 PM, Ren wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:33:12 PM, Sieben wrote:
No. I mean that millions of them already living here would "come live here". If we lowered our borders, the country's population would probably triple in 10 years.

Well, my point is that, realistically speaking, it probably will. In fact, if things stayed exactly as they are, it may grow at an even faster rate.

If we better educated our native society, it would be nothing but incredibly beneficial for our economy. Otherwise, it would be terribly disastrous. Of course, we could always just become isolationist and then get mad when the rest of the world passes us by.
I don't wish to discuss the merits of immigration, only that a support for immigration is such a strong declaration of anti-racism.
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12/6/2010 12:41:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:40:10 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:36:53 PM, Sieben wrote:
Since Mirza is flaming about libertarianism, I'd like to take a minute to post this. http://www.debate.org...
If you have a case to make, then make it here. You could not withstand refutations in the forums and moved on to a challenge on a debate that I did not ask for, nor do I care about 80% of the nonsense you mentioned in it.

Present your case or be ashamed, as much as your ideology should be.

You know, I'll bet things would be a lot less obnoxious around here if everyone agreed to stop being so hostile all the time, all jokes aside.
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12/6/2010 12:44:03 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:40:10 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:36:53 PM, Sieben wrote:
Since Mirza is flaming about libertarianism, I'd like to take a minute to post this. http://www.debate.org...
If you have a case to make, then make it here. You could not withstand refutations in the forums and moved on to a challenge on a debate that I did not ask for,
Actually you just trolled. Getting the last word in doesn't mean you "refuted" anything.

nor do I care about 80% of the nonsense you mentioned in it.
What you care about? Pssch. You can't ignore away the weakness of statism.

Present your case or be ashamed, as much as your ideology should be.
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12/6/2010 12:44:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:41:56 PM, Ren wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:40:10 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:36:53 PM, Sieben wrote:
Since Mirza is flaming about libertarianism, I'd like to take a minute to post this. http://www.debate.org...
If you have a case to make, then make it here. You could not withstand refutations in the forums and moved on to a challenge on a debate that I did not ask for, nor do I care about 80% of the nonsense you mentioned in it.

Present your case or be ashamed, as much as your ideology should be.

You know, I'll bet things would be a lot less obnoxious around here if everyone agreed to stop being so hostile all the time, all jokes aside.
No. Some libertarian fundamentalists who claim superiority of all aspects try to demean first, and they won't have an easy time with that - ever. "Debate me debate me." How idiotic. Charleslb is right about his statement on libertarianism and logical superiority.
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12/6/2010 12:44:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:41:42 PM, Sieben wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:38:44 PM, Ren wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:33:12 PM, Sieben wrote:
No. I mean that millions of them already living here would "come live here". If we lowered our borders, the country's population would probably triple in 10 years.

Well, my point is that, realistically speaking, it probably will. In fact, if things stayed exactly as they are, it may grow at an even faster rate.

If we better educated our native society, it would be nothing but incredibly beneficial for our economy. Otherwise, it would be terribly disastrous. Of course, we could always just become isolationist and then get mad when the rest of the world passes us by.
I don't wish to discuss the merits of immigration, only that a support for immigration is such a strong declaration of anti-racism.

I see.

Well, racism is a derivative of nationalism. So, as long as we perceive them as "immigrants," even if we let them in, there will still be racism. I don't think that there will be any detrimental effects, but I doubt that a reduction or increase in immigration will do anything to quell negative attitudes about differing cultures or appearances.

So, I think we agree.
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12/6/2010 12:47:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:44:03 PM, Sieben wrote:
Actually you just trolled. Getting the last word in doesn't mean you "refuted" anything.
No, it does not, but getting your arguments flushed with facts which you can never counter and to move on to challenge someone to argue against 80% of what he did not even argue against is filth. Pure filth.

What you care about? Pssch. You can't ignore away the weakness of statism.
As weak as it looks, it will always be here, even if the entire world cries against it or whines against it as much as you do. Eventually, a law will hopefully be prevalent which will put any attempt of even uttering a word to promote libertarianism to shame. Public shame.

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12/6/2010 12:48:22 PM
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At 12/6/2010 12:44:52 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:41:56 PM, Ren wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:40:10 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:36:53 PM, Sieben wrote:
Since Mirza is flaming about libertarianism, I'd like to take a minute to post this. http://www.debate.org...
If you have a case to make, then make it here. You could not withstand refutations in the forums and moved on to a challenge on a debate that I did not ask for, nor do I care about 80% of the nonsense you mentioned in it.

Present your case or be ashamed, as much as your ideology should be.

You know, I'll bet things would be a lot less obnoxious around here if everyone agreed to stop being so hostile all the time, all jokes aside.
No. Some libertarian fundamentalists who claim superiority of all aspects try to demean first, and they won't have an easy time with that - ever. "Debate me debate me." How idiotic. Charleslb is right about his statement on libertarianism and logical superiority.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Based on personal experience, even those who tend to garner respect from the members of this site will make a fool of themselves if they react childishly to a good argument. But, you can rest assured that I'd rather read what Seiben has to say than you at this point, if only because he's not saying preposterous things like a person's perspective is a catastrophe or that there is something fundamentally wrong with their entire character because of a political opinion they posted on a forum.
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12/6/2010 12:51:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:48:22 PM, Ren wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:44:52 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:41:56 PM, Ren wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:40:10 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:36:53 PM, Sieben wrote:
Since Mirza is flaming about libertarianism, I'd like to take a minute to post this. http://www.debate.org...
If you have a case to make, then make it here. You could not withstand refutations in the forums and moved on to a challenge on a debate that I did not ask for, nor do I care about 80% of the nonsense you mentioned in it.

Present your case or be ashamed, as much as your ideology should be.

You know, I'll bet things would be a lot less obnoxious around here if everyone agreed to stop being so hostile all the time, all jokes aside.
No. Some libertarian fundamentalists who claim superiority of all aspects try to demean first, and they won't have an easy time with that - ever. "Debate me debate me." How idiotic. Charleslb is right about his statement on libertarianism and logical superiority.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Based on personal experience, even those who tend to garner respect from the members of this site will make a fool of themselves if they react childishly to a good argument. But, you can rest assured that I'd rather read what Seiben has to say than you at this point, if only because he's not saying preposterous things like a person's perspective is a catastrophe or that there is something fundamentally wrong with their entire character because of a political opinion they posted on a forum.
Observe strictly for yourself. Look at who those who demean others in a monstrously aggressive way are. Analyze it. Charleslb has done that very well, and so have I. Sieben can utter whatever he wants. A good political opinion on libertarianism is a shame, catastrophe, idiocy, and something which will hopefully get eradicated from the average human being once and for all.
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12/6/2010 12:51:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/6/2010 12:47:34 PM, Mirza wrote:

but getting your arguments flushed with facts which you can never counter
IIRC, I linked you a bunch of sources and you were the ones who ignored them. Although its hard to separate the whiny trolls from one another...

and to move on to challenge someone to argue against 80% of what he did not even argue against is filth. Pure filth.
BAH! You do not even scratch the surface of political philosophy - this is why 80% of the content is new to you. You have no fundamentals.

As weak as it looks, it will always be here, even if the entire world cries against it or whines against it as much as you do. Eventually, a law will hopefully be prevalent which will put any attempt of even uttering a word to promote libertarianism to shame. Public shame.
Kaak. Troll harder.

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12/6/2010 12:51:48 PM
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Libertarianism is the greatest anti-racist "program" ever devised.
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12/6/2010 12:55:51 PM
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At 12/6/2010 12:51:31 PM, Sieben wrote:
IIRC, I linked you a bunch of sources and you were the ones who ignored them. Although its hard to separate the whiny trolls from one another...
I addressed your arguments. I countered your untrue, non-factual statements. You can provide a river of sources, I won't waste my energy vaporizing it.

BAH! You do not even scratch the surface of political philosophy - this is why 80% of the content is new to you. You have no fundamentals.
Did I say it was new to me, or did I say it does not matter to me?

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12/6/2010 12:55:58 PM
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At 12/6/2010 12:51:31 PM, Sieben wrote:
At 12/6/2010 12:47:34 PM, Mirza wrote:

but getting your arguments flushed with facts which you can never counter
IIRC, I linked you a bunch of sources and you were the ones who ignored them. Although its hard to separate the whiny trolls from one another...

and to move on to challenge someone to argue against 80% of what he did not even argue against is filth. Pure filth.
BAH! You do not even scratch the surface of political philosophy - this is why 80% of the content is new to you. You have no fundamentals.

As weak as it looks, it will always be here, even if the entire world cries against it or whines against it as much as you do. Eventually, a law will hopefully be prevalent which will put any attempt of even uttering a word to promote libertarianism to shame. Public shame.
Kaak. Troll harder.

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12/6/2010 12:57:55 PM
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At 12/6/2010 11:52:06 AM, charleslb wrote:
Want some anecdotal evidence, have you ever noticed how many libertarians can get pretty cranky and conceited about the superiority of their logic when dealing with someone who disagrees with them?

Yes, because unlike conservatives, libertarians actually care about being logically consistent.

This is just another symptom that their philosophical point of view is that of an egoist with anti-egalitarian attitudes, someone who isn't interested in playing well with others on a level societal playing field.

I don't see how that follows at all.

That is, libertarians are so deeply invested in and touchy about their politics that it becomes obvious that their politics are actually an extension of a certain chauvinistic type of personality and take on life.

Libertarians care a lot about their libertarianism, yes. Certainly more than the average conservative or liberal cares about his positions. This is because in order to be a libertarian, you have to care enough about the issues to do a lot of reading, which most people will not do.
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