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PetersSmith
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5/17/2016 9:07:14 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
A bill that would let the families of those killed in the Sept. 11 attacks sue Saudi Arabia for any role in the terror plot passed the Senate unanimously on Tuesday, bringing Congress closer to a showdown with the White House, which has threatened to veto the legislation. The Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act, approved by voice vote, had triggered a threat from Riyadh (King of Saudi Arabia) where he said they might sell up to $750 billion in U.S. securities and other American assets in retaliation if it became law (http://www.reuters.com...). If it became law, JASTA would remove the sovereign immunity, preventing lawsuits against governments, for countries found to be involved in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. It would allow survivors of the attacks, and relatives of those killed in the attacks, to seek damages from other countries. If the White House vetoes the Act, it is suggested Congress will override it.

Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, a Democrat and bill sponsor, said the legislation would help the families of the victims seek justice. "For the sake of the families, I want to make clear beyond the shadow of a doubt that every entity, including foreign states, will be held accountable if they are found to be sponsors of the heinous act of 9/11," he said shortly before the bill passed. "If the Saudis did not participate in this terrorism, they have nothing to fear about going to court," the senator said. "If they did, they should be held accountable." (http://www.nytimes.com...). Senator Lindsey Graham worries this Act will allow Saudi Arabia to sue the United States if the door is opened for U.S. citizens to take the Saudis to court. John McCain says the Act will alienate Saudi Arabia and undermine a longstanding yet strained relationship with a critical U.S. ally in the Middle East.

So, what do you guys think of JASTA? Do you think this is a good idea or do you think the White House is right in vetoing it? Do you think the Act is going to pass regardless of the White House's say giving the demeanor of Congress towards it? How do you think this Act will affect US-Saudi relations? Do you think the 9/11 victims have legitimacy and/or a right to sue Saudi Arabia? Will anything actually come of this/will the 9/11 victims actually get anything? Do you trust the Sauds as a US ally, or are they even a US ally? Discuss.
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5/17/2016 9:33:33 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/17/2016 9:07:14 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
A bill that would let the families of those killed in the Sept. 11 attacks sue Saudi Arabia for any role in the terror plot passed the Senate unanimously on Tuesday, bringing Congress closer to a showdown with the White House, which has threatened to veto the legislation. The Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act, approved by voice vote, had triggered a threat from Riyadh (King of Saudi Arabia) where he said they might sell up to $750 billion in U.S. securities and other American assets in retaliation if it became law (http://www.reuters.com...).

I find it difficult to believe that such a law would be enacted that could affect national security and foreign affairs. The Saudi's have been suspected in complicity for 9/11 but there's been no resolve.

If it became law, JASTA would remove the sovereign immunity, preventing lawsuits against governments, for countries found to be involved in terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. It would allow survivors of the attacks, and relatives of those killed in the attacks, to seek damages from other countries. If the White House vetoes the Act, it is suggested Congress will override it.

I can't see how private citizens can sue a foreign country, especially since they have a completely different type of governance. The only organization that can call another government out for a crime is the United Nations with the International Criminal Tribunal

Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, a Democrat and bill sponsor, said the legislation would help the families of the victims seek justice. "For the sake of the families, I want to make clear beyond the shadow of a doubt that every entity, including foreign states, will be held accountable if they are found to be sponsors of the heinous act of 9/11," he said shortly before the bill passed. "If the Saudis did not participate in this terrorism, they have nothing to fear about going to court," the senator said. "If they did, they should be held accountable." (http://www.nytimes.com...). Senator Lindsey Graham worries this Act will allow Saudi Arabia to sue the United States if the door is opened for U.S. citizens to take the Saudis to court. John McCain says the Act will alienate Saudi Arabia and undermine a longstanding yet strained relationship with a critical U.S. ally in the Middle East.

I think this is mainly political grandstanding for positive public face time. Foreign relations are not handled in this manner. And yes, the Saudis have a boat load of US treasury bills.

So, what do you guys think of JASTA? Do you think this is a good idea or do you think the White House is right in vetoing it? Do you think the Act is going to pass regardless of the White House's say giving the demeanor of Congress towards it? How do you think this Act will affect US-Saudi relations? Do you think the 9/11 victims have legitimacy and/or a right to sue Saudi Arabia? Will anything actually come of this/will the 9/11 victims actually get anything? Do you trust the Saudis as a US ally, or are they even a US ally? Discuss.

Not to say that 9/11 victims don't deserve justice, but I don't see anything coming out of this. There is nothing making the Saudis or any other foreign government show up for court? Furthermore, what kind of justice would victims be getting; punitive? These families were well taken care for monetarily through various fundraisers.
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5/17/2016 9:40:19 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
The crazy thing is that Senate democrats support the bill (the senate has passed the bill, the House hasnt), and im assuming the GOP are on board with it to since its hard to say no to 9/11 families...... If it has bipartisian support then really I think it should be passed just out of curiosity for what would happen next.
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5/17/2016 9:43:04 PM
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At 5/17/2016 9:32:38 PM, Greyparrot wrote:
Sounds like something Trump would propose.
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